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Ell
9:00 PM
@DeadMG I think it's a difficult problem. People don't like doing what's necessary, and that isn't what gets the votes
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yeah -- they go to Mexico and get a kidney from somebody who got drunk, then (if they were lucky) woke up with a huge wound in their abdomen... :-)
 
I think that if you treat them properly, don't assume they're morons, and explain to them why it's necessary, they completely can support necessary things.
 
Ell
I think you have too much faith :P
 
@Ell The complete and utter failure of the banking market just a couple years ago should have showed you why that would never work.
@Ell I think that if you have three political candidates and they all say "We're going to do what's necessary", the voters don't have much choice.
 
Ell
I don't think so. The world wasn't a free market then
 
9:01 PM
Ah hey. My guess on Ubuntu was right.
 
@Ell It was free enough that they were free to completely cock everything up.
and destroy their entire industry.
 
@Ell Considering how confidence in politicians is nosediving, what they're doing now and avoiding doing what's necessary is clearly not working :p
 
@RobertHarvey As a high income family, it's worth it, for sure.
 
Lool, the csi.stackexchange.com thing is getting close votes
 
Ell
What is wrong with a free market?
 
9:02 PM
Sick people are a burden on the economy.
 
@Ell What's wrong with it is that freedom does not lead to optimum results.
for example, let's say there are no laws.
 
Ell
@jalf Yeah. I agree they should do what is necessary, I'm just saying I don't think the current system can work at all
 
why should I not go around murdering people I don't like?
there's no law against it.
but this is obviously not optimal.
 
Ell
Well, there are solutions to that in an anarcho capitalist society
 
yes, there are.
it's called "Regulation and government".
 
Ell
9:03 PM
A different solution
obviously :3
 
a tested solution?
 
the simple fact is, it's a well-known and well-studied fact (look into stuff like Nash equilibriums and chaos theory) that what benefits an individual agent maximally in an agent-based system does not lead to maximum system-wide benefit.
 
Ell
In a totally free system, every transaction is voluntary and benefits both parties
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun Well, there are techniques for combining a number of lower resolution pictures into one picture with higher resolution than any of the individual components. AFAIK, they're mostly experimental though--you're more likely to see it in a doctoral dissertation than a production-ready library.
 
@DeadMG because their family would remove your testicles
 
9:04 PM
@Ell Fuck "both" parties. Try all parties.
 
@jalf Joking aside, who wants a fucking rock with nothing on it?
 
Ell
@DeadMG Both parties are the only parties involved?
 
hah.
that's a really bad joke.
our economy is as interdependent on each other as the cells are in our bodies.
 
@EtiennedeMartel apparently at least two countries do :p
 
for simple example
 
9:05 PM
@Ell Google buys <another startup>. No third parties are effected? Users? Competitors? etc?
 
Ell
Our current economy sure
 
imagine dumping waste in a river.
there's no laws against it
it benefits the only party involved.
but it completely fucks over everyone else.
 
but afaik, it could be significant in deciding how the north pole and surrounding water passages should be divided up
 
which in turn fuck rape the party involved
 
Ell
@SamDeHaan Google buys the startup - google values the startup more than they value their cash. The startup values the cash more than they value themselves - they both benefit. The startup isn't the property of the users
 
9:06 PM
although I can't help suspecting that both countries are partly just in it because it's fun and good-natured silliness :p
 
@Jefffrey If you do that, then it's basically just informally-enforced regulation.
 
I'd create a GUI interface in Visual Basic... See if you can track an IP address. — Robert Harvey 3 mins ago
Oh my god, the perfect response
 
@DeadMG exactly
 
@Ell It is the property of the society of which it is a part.
 
there will always be rules, implicit or explicit
 
Ell
9:07 PM
@DeadMG I disagree
(In my ideal)
 
well, your ideal does not reflect the real world at all.
 
@Ell Not talking property. Talking affected parties. Greater than the parties involved in the exchange.
 
that's why it's ideal, lol
 
@DeadMG ...and you're sure yours does?
 
Ell
Well obviously not or else I wouldn't want to change it
I'm saying that in my opinion, this is how the world should be
 
9:08 PM
@Ell I don't mean that it doesn't reflect our reality right now. I'm saying that it's impossible, because the circumstances you've identified don't lead to the result you want.
@JerryCoffin Not certain, but I know that it's further along, at least.
for example, I know that bad business practices can damage the economy for everyone, so letting anyone do whatever they want commercially won't result in the economically optimal society.
 
Ell
I think there are lots of issues with my ideal that aren't solved
such as the river dumping issue
And I will give you that point
But I disagree with a startup being the property of the society of which it is a part - it is owned by the startup founder
 
not at all.
 
Ell
Why should anyone else own it?
 
well, for example, if the startup founder also takes out a bad loan.
or if he mismanages it in a really bad way.
or commits crimes (e.g. river dumping)
the reality is, the startup founder has rights over that company only insofar as the rest of society deems it to be right for him to have that power.
 
Ell
So you are only controlled by other people? :3
Your rights are solely determined by others?
 
9:12 PM
well, yes.
 
Ell
That is not a situation I would like to be in
 
you don't have any choice.
there's no scenario in which society is even remotely prosperous and free, and that is not true.
 
Ell
There is a scenario
 
the requirements for exercising your rights over the will of the majority basically involves repressing them in every possible way.
 
@DeadMG what freedom do you lack exactly?
 
Ell
9:13 PM
@DeadMG I don't know what you mean
 
even assuming that they don't revolt and overthrow you somehow
your society is still a tyrannical despot.
@Ell Well, let's put things at the most basic level.
if you are dumping in the river
I will call the police.
what are you gonna do, import some guns and try to shoot them?
 
It would be unfair to single out one in particular, but the populations of some EU countries have a more laissez-faire attitude to enforcing/paying taxation.
 
the majority of the people, physically, absolutely have the ability to exert power over you.
and your only choice to resist that power would be to effectively wage war on that majority.
 
Ell
Well, the person who owns the property will call the police which they have paid for to take you off their property
 
@Jefffrey In which circumstance exactly?
 
9:15 PM
in general
 
@DeadMG Let me interject this: most societies don't want rules that maximize economic efficiency. Just for example, most (advanced or at least civilized) societies go to considerable pains to protect the sickly and handicapped. In many (most?) cases it's clear that they're not a benefit to the economy as a whole. [And don't get me wrong: I think that protecting those who can't protect themselves is a large part of the definition of "civilization". Still not economically optimal though.]
 
@Ell Not gonna happen because there's only a few policemen compared to millions of citizens. Even if the police were on your side, that's not going to protect you from majority rule.
 
@Ell define police, in your anarchical fantasy.
 
Ell
@DeadMG I don't quite understand - are you saying the police force doesn't work right now?
And where does this majority force come from by the way?
@SamDeHaan Well. Like the police force now. You pay a fee for them to protect you when you need protecting?
 
@JerryCoffin That's true, but I also think that it's strictly limited in degree and I also think it's not as clear-cut. For example, people would be much more conservative financially if they knew that they couldn't depend on state aid if they got sick, so the economy would be more muted.
@Ell No. They do absolutely what they're supposed to do - enforce the majority rule.
 
9:18 PM
@DeadMG dunno, you said there's no scenario in which society is free, what freedom do you lack?
 
@Jefffrey No, I said there's no scenario in which your rights are not controlled by others and society is free.
 
@Ell You pay taxes, and the government has this police force. Backed by more overwhelming force (military) as needed. Anarchy, you will have paid armed militia police forces. Whereas you, the landowner may call in yours, but I, the toxic waste dumper, have a better armed one.
 
@DeadMG are our rights controlled by others?
 
@Ell Well, in a population of 60 million citizens, you presume that a large number of them would reject you industrially ruining the environment by dumping in the river.
 
Ell
@SamDeHaan Why do you have a better armed one?
 
9:20 PM
and if 30,000 people arrive at your factory to burn it down to stop you- or 200,000 people, or 500,000 people
@Jefffrey Yep.
 
@Ell More {whatever currency the militia desires}
 
@DeadMG is society free?
 
Had I known more about the world when I was younger, I would have focused on establishing my own militarily-empowered trust network, with the goal of being able to fight anyone who dared oppose me. Unfortunately, Sarah Connor was not my mom and didn't train me for Armageddon.
 
Ell
@SamDeHaan You have money too
 
@DeadMG I think most people believe that. I'm a lot less certain about its really being true--from what I've seen, a police force often has its own agenda, and may do as much (possibly even more) to serve their own agenda as the real will of the majority.
 
9:20 PM
@Jefffrey Mostly.
 
> No, I said there's no scenario in which your rights are not controlled by others and society is free.
 
Ell
Well I have to go. I'll be back later
 
@JerryCoffin Hah. Well, I'm not going to disagree that in some instances they have their own agendas and I'm also not going to disagree that some police forces completely don't operate that way- I was only referring to our own. But in the general case, they enforce majority rule.
 
Ell
In my absence, feel free to google solutions to these problems :P
 
@Jefffrey That's not inconsistent.
 
9:22 PM
@Ell There aren't any.
 
@AndyProwl How is it not?
oh wait
 
@Jefffrey You asked if our rights are controlled, he answered "yes"
 
I missed the "not"
 
Yep
 
nevermind
I should learn how to read
 
9:23 PM
personally
 
@DeadMG The more blithely confident the majority are of that, the less likely it is to be true. Seems to me they largely 1) avoid obvious transgressions against majority opinion from being publicized, and 2) ensure that cases of enforcing obvious majority opinion do get publicized as heavily as possible.
 
I think our society is badly mismanaged, and there's plenty of instances where the fine details are completely wrong, but in general, I think we have a fair degree of freedom.
 
@Bartek I got the book about types and programming languages, and I found something that puzzles me in an early chapter. Got a minute?
 
@DeadMG that's a surprisingly optimistic statement to see from the puppy.
 
@JerryCoffin Those scenarios can only occur to the degree to which they control the media. I think that you could have made an argument that when it was just newspaper or even just newspaper and TV, they might have a lot more control than I thought. But I think it's hard to argue that the UK police control whether or not my friends IM me about them seeing the police do something wrong.
 
9:25 PM
@DeadMG or their goals and the media's goals coincide. Doesn't have to be an aspect of control.
 
media is getting obsolete pretty fast though
 
@SamDeHaan And the goals of everyone who could have posted on Facebook about it?
 
@DeadMG Partly, but definitely not entirely, true. In quite a few cases, they're clearly capable of (and routinely do at least attempt to) keep the media from knowing about their worst transgressions having happened at all.
 
@AndyProwl link?
 
@JohanLarsson Using traditional forms of media is a very passive form of acquiring information. People looooooove being passive.
 
9:27 PM
@JerryCoffin I do agree that those cases occur. I do also think that it's not institutional.
I'm not saying the police are infallible at all or don't do wrong or even completely horrible things, and haven't tried to cover said horrible shit up. We had Hillsbrough here in the UK and our police just got horribly smacked for covering up the truth.
 
@SamDeHaan newspaper sales disagrees, I don't have numbers but think surfing is replacing tv also
 
youtube is replacing tv
 
what I am saying is that I think they are not capable of mass defiance of the majority rule.
 
unfortunately
 
@Jefffrey Here. There's something on page 35 which I don't understand.
 
9:28 PM
@SamDeHaan It's also not free.
 
(page 35 of the book, not of the pdf)
 
@AndyProwl in a sec.
 
sure
 
@DeadMG neither is internet access? or texting?
 
@AndyProwl something such as?
 
9:29 PM
@SamDeHaan One payment of internet access gives you a whole lot more, though.
 
@AndyProwl why don't you write what it is now so i can respond when I come back.
 
hell, you can get broadband for less than it would cost to buy a newspaper every day.
 
@DeadMG Sure. And it's typically bundled with TV
 
and you get infinitely more.
 
@SamDeHaan why not?
 
9:30 PM
> Our only choice is to evaluate the outer conditional first, using E-If
 
the economy of buying a newspaper simply isn't feasible anymore.
 
I think it should be E-IfTRUE /cc @Bartek
Or I just didn't understand
 
@SamDeHaan The bundles are attractive to some but far from all.
 
@Jefffrey ..cause.. you pay money.. for services
 
@DeadMG If you said "universal" rather than "institutional", I'd agree. I think in at least a few cases it is institutional. In fact, it seems like it was just a week ago (or so) that LRiO posted something about institutional problems, and by nature of the position, the guy in charge of the police department couldn't be held personally responsible for any of what had happened.
 
9:31 PM
@SamDeHaan well... that doesn't mean the internet is not free
 
@Jefffrey ...uhh, how are you getting internet access for free? I want some.
 
@SamDeHaan I think the issue is with "free != for free"
 
many public libraries offer free Internet access.
 
@AndyProwl is he freeing as in speech and I'm freeing as in beer?
 
@JerryCoffin If the police really had institutional control, we would not be aware of the story in question.
 
9:33 PM
@SamDeHaan (you steal if from the neighbors's wifi)
 
I don't think I'm going out on much of a limb at guessing that if problems at one police department have been found and corrected (to at least some degree) that there are probably at least a dozen others with equally serious problems that haven't been found or corrected. Most are not found by tremendous skill or diligence--they found by a bad guy having gotten incredibly arrogant or stupid.
 
@SamDeHaan I think so. In fact, I'm not sure - I'm mostly extrapolating from partial context. Guess I should go back to my studies ;)
 
Well, anyway, at this point I'm arguing tangentially related things to my original statement. So I'm going to go home. Gooooodbye.
 
@DeadMG You seem to be using "institutional" in a rather strange way. I'm simply pointing to the fact that it wasn't simply one or two rogue policemen, but something that had become pervasive throughout most of a police department.
 
ok
well I guess that for me, the power of the police only becomes even remotely close to approaching that of majority rule if firstly, you would need the entire force, not just one or two departments, and secondly, they would also need very heavy control over the media.
just to return to my original statement (at least in this discussion...) about majority rule being king
I mean
 
9:37 PM
with the only difference that policemen and military are trained, civilian people are not nearly as efficient in killing other people.
even if they had the same fire power
(which they don't)
 
@Jefffrey There's also over a hundred civilians per soldier in the UK.
not to mention that the soldiers probably wouldn't be up for a mass slaughter of their own population.
 
the military force have ten bombs per hundred civilians
 
er
maybe the US military does.
 
you just really need one
 
yes
 
9:39 PM
@DeadMG I don't know if you count it as "control", but police certain exert a great deal of influence over media. You don't really even have to look very hard at all to find cases of "bury this embarrassing story and you'll get a day's lead (or whatever) over the other reporters the next time we have something really juicy for you to report."
 
or an helicopter, or a tank or whatever
 
so the pilot of the bomber can bomb his own family.
 
@DeadMG when you are a soldier you don't really have a choice, either you do as you are ordered or you get shot.
and someone else does
 
right, except now we're back to "Majority rule but everyone involved is a soldier".
in which case both sides have tanks, guns, and bombers.
you're not gonna get shot by a general if a thousand men in your brigade are standing there backing you up with their own guns, bombs, tanks, and training.
 
@DeadMG lol, that never happens
 
9:41 PM
it certainly would if the general ordered his troops to go bomb a bunch of civilians.
 
people are much weaker and selfish than you think
 
and if it didn't, it would be because the majority chose not to act.
 
@DeadMG oh, because that never happened in the history of men?
 
well, it has.
 
some general ordered to drop nuclear bombs on a country
a soldier executed it
 
it's just that a bunch of modern soldiers are well-educated about majority rule (living in a democratic society) and really care about not bombing their own families.
 
@Jefffrey One bomb per ten civilians? That sounds highly suspect to me. Even if it were true, exactly how would you know? At least in the US, it's illegal for anybody who knows to even say whether or not a particular DoD installation has any nuclear devices, not to mention anything like the exact numbers.
 
@Jefffrey Which is a totally different thing.
 
not really
 
the people he dropped the bombs on were his enemies, trying to kill him and his countrymen and the civilians under his protection.
not his own family and friends.
 
9:44 PM
eh, not everyone has a family and/or friends
 
most people do.
 
then, again, the soldier would probably say to his family to do not create caos, and they wouldn't be shot
only manifestants would
 
yes
because there were totally not over the last few years several instances of civilian populations uprising and overthrowing military dictatorships
 
@DeadMG Given that the only wartime use of nuclear weapons was on Japan in WW2, it goes quite a bit further than just "trying to kill him and his countrymen..." The Japanese had quite clearly succeeded in killing a lot of Americans (and allies, of course) by the time the first nuke was used.
 
@JerryCoffin I agree. There are lots of other factors too, like whether or not demonstrating the atomic bomb in such a fashion prevented WW3 against the Soviets.
it's far from as clear-cut as "Private, go kill your innocent civilian family now".
 
9:47 PM
@JerryCoffin true, but then again it was just an example, you can replace "bomb" with "tank" or "helicopter" or anything else civillian don't have access to
@DeadMG "Private, shot anything that moves towards the border" would be more likely
 
same principle.
especially when it's his family moving towards the border.
 
if your family moves towards the border, it gets shot by your colleague on your right
 
I see
it's totally fine to watch your family get gunned down by your colleague instead of pulling the trigger yourself
 
military discipline can be very powerful
 
not powerful enough to go slaughtering your own family.
ask Gaddafi how it went for him.
if you can.
 
9:49 PM
@DeadMG True, but I doubt the crew of the Enola Gay (for example) was spending a lot of time on whether we might have a war with the USSR in a few decades. At the same time, I'm pretty sure you're absolutely correct that ordering an assault on US soil (for example) would create a drastically different situation.
 
@DeadMG why would your family be protesting and you be on the other side?
 
@Jefffrey Presumably because A), you are a soldier, and B), your family is not.
so in this hypothetical scenario, it is highly probable that a large proportion of soldiers have family in the "majority".
 
@DeadMG if you believe in what your family thinks, you should be joining them in the protest
 
many soldiers did join the recent uprisings.
 
9:51 PM
all I'm saying is that an order to start murdering your own people is a free incentive to switch sides.
 
i guess
it depends on if you think your own people is deserving to die or not
 
During the US Civil war (for one example) it's certainly true that there were documented cases of soldiers shooting and killing members of their own family (their own brother and, I believe, in a few cases even their own father or son).
 
^
 
@Jefffrey There are some who are that insane.
religious extremists I'm sure.
 
Most of those do not, however, seem to have stemmed nearly as much from military discipline as from serious disagreements over ideology (specifically over whether to allow slavery or not, in this case).
 
9:56 PM
well I don't know that much about the US civil war, but they were relatively evenly matched, right?
not like, 90% of the population against 10%.
 
@DeadMG What counts as extremism? During the US civil war, I guess some considered it "extreme" to think of Africans as actually being human and deserving the same rights as others.
@DeadMG It depends heavily on how you count things. Before the war, they'd carefully maintained an equilibrium in the number of states that allowed/prohibited slavery (with a few on the border taking rather intermediate stances). The north had a much larger population though--but some of that depended on how you counted slaves.
 
@AndyProwl E-If evaluates first true to true, and since that's the normal from E-IfTRUE can be used. I think.
 
For census purposes, a slave was counted as three fifths of a person. I think the percentage willing to fight to maintain slavery as an institution was probably lower--but a (to me) rather surprising number of slaves did actually fit on the side of the south.
 
IIRC, the South had better officers, but the North had better equipment.
 
I tell my 18-year old classmates that if I were to rape them, they'd be in jail and I wouldn't because I'm 17.
 
10:03 PM
@MohammadAliBaydoun You must be fun at parties.
 
@BartekBanachewicz true cannot evaluate to true. It's a normal form, so it doesn't evaluate to anything - just a few lines above, in fact, the author writes "The constants true and false do not evaluate to anything, since they do not appear as the left-hand sides of any of the rules.
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun Not how it works.
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun lol
 
@AndyProwl then skip that and E-If just checks if t1 is in normal form?
 
I'd say something, but I don't even get invited to parties in the first place!
 
10:04 PM
@JerryCoffin I don't know what exactly counts as extremism in that scenario since I'm simply not very familiar with it. But if I recall correctly, I'd say that it probably lies partly on both sides. The South was pretty extreme to secede just because they wanted slaves; and I think the North was pretty extreme to go to war just to prevent the secession.
 
I mean, you can't apply both E-IfTrue and E-IfFalse
 
@BartekBanachewicz Nope, E-If needs an evaluation statement as a premise (something of the kind t -> t1)
 
ah right
it requires t -> t1
 
@EtiennedeMartel That's a debate I won't get into, beyond saying that (at least from what I've read) it does seem to be subject to a lot of debate with arguments on both sides that I don't know enough to immediately refute or dismiss.
 
@AndyProwl okey, my bad, you are right then
 
10:05 PM
@JerryCoffin The North was more industrialized, though.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm still wondering if there isn't something I'm missing though.
 
@EtiennedeMartel That much seems to be almost universally agreed, yes.
 
Because the book seems to be very accurate in general.
 
All in all, I don't think this particular thing is very important.
I mean you have to realize what we just talked about
but otherwise, it's just an illustration.
 
Yeah, it's minor - but since it's the first steps, I want to make sure I get them right
so I can continue building my mental map
 
10:08 PM
@DeadMG In school, we were taught that slavery was almost an excuse, and it was really a competition between norther industrialization and southern agriculture. I've since read that serious historians question that, but haven't studied it enough to really have an opinion of my own on the subject.
 
in fact most of the times when I spot these inconsistencies it ends up being a fallacy in my reasoning, and that helps me to fix it and grasp more complex concepts
 
yeah, I'm afraid I'm simply not familiar enough with that scenario to really discuss it.
 
10:24 PM
shit
how do I see the results of the poll?
 
anyway JS defineProperty fills a large hole I was missing
2
I have no idea why people don't talk about it more
 
@BartekBanachewicz s/feels/fills ?
or is JS actually feeling a large hole of yours?
 
I don't want to know about things feeling your holes
 
@Borgleader I had 3 beers at meet.js
 
me neither
@BartekBanachewicz you went to a js meeting?
ARE YOU CRAZY
 
10:25 PM
it was rather interesting
and it had free beer
3
 
oh, then it's ok
 
fucking seriously, asks a question on StackOverflow, can't spell stack...
 
I stopped at:
> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
 
@BartekBanachewicz RMS and idiots is redundant
@Jefffrey Y'know I don't get that. How is NSA following Snowden's example?
 
10:30 PM
dunno
NSA can spy on me all they want for all I care
we can watch porn together if they want to
 
@BartekBanachewicz Hilarious. "To further the cause of freedom, we will force users to use free software!".
 
@BartekBanachewicz RMS is a religious fanatic. His religion is free software.
 
Xeo
Such choice, much freedom.
 
@Xeo No. Don't bring that meme here.
/cc @Xeo
 
10:40 PM
What is the name of functions with two parameters in haskell? (I'm pretty sure they had a special name for those)
 
non-existant
 
@Borgleader there are no functions that take two parameters in Haskell
other than that, common name is "binary"
 
he's probably talking about curried functions
?_?
 
Backquotes can be used to call a function in infix form right?
 
backquotes?
 
10:45 PM
But there's a restriction on what you can use them on isn't there?
x somefunc y
 
backticks... yes
 
backticks
 
> Warning! Backquotes work only with two-parameter functions.
 
syntactic sugar
 
sthaskell.com -> page 14
 
10:47 PM
you shouldn't speed through haskell
just because of things like that
 
You sped through haskell
 
Don't know that tutorial but yeah, looks like LYAH is a better place to start
 
LYAH sucks
 
@Rapptz oh right, it only took me 5 months.
such speed.
 
@AndyProwl I tried that first. And it felt like the author was more trying to sell me the language than teach it. I hated it.
 
10:48 PM
It doesn't suck at all
 
stupid doge meme
 
@Rapptz everyone 'cept you seems to like it
 
@BartekBanachewicz and me
 
IMO the author very good at building an intuition
 
@Borgleader he was just excited about Haskell, and I don't blame him. Other than that, it has very good materials inside.
 
10:48 PM
@BartekBanachewicz It's almost as if people have opinions.
 
stop saying such nonsense. :P
 
@Borgleader Perhaps then "Programming in Haskell". I did appreciate most of the materials in there. There are also accompany videos by Erik Mejier, in each video he goes through the contents of one chapter
 
@AndyProwl It was another "functional programming is the best! imperative programming sucks!" book/article/etc.
 
Real-World Haskell isn't that bad too
 
@Rapptz Just filter those parts out if you mind them
 
10:50 PM
but I loved LYAH drawings
 
me too
 
CHILDREN
@@@@
anyway RWH is okay
 
I dropped RWH after 4 chapters but only because I had to switch to other stuff
it was OK. I liked the fact that readers could comment on each passage
 
RWH acted as a complimentary material for me
for stuff like Parsec
 
I also bought "The Haskell Road to Logic, Maths and Programming", but haven't read it yet
 
10:52 PM
(slightly offtop) eh, I wish more people worked on Haste
281 stars, 14 contributors -.-
> I was looking into using TH as well for client-side templating. Would love to see progress in this area.
 
Aw man, fuck weakly typed enums.
 
@EtiennedeMartel fuck them. What language?
 
enum class { };
 
@Rapptz Can't. It's generated from COM.
 
sucks
 
10:56 PM
Why do you guys always suggest modern solutions when I whine about old shit? Can't you guess I'm whining because I can't use modern solutions?
 
@EtiennedeMartel It's the glimmer of hope in our hearts :P
 
The possibility of you sucking is always there buddy.
Just kidding
 
@Rapptz I only suck you.
 

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