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10:00 PM
@TonyTheLion Survival of the Fittest.
 
oh right
 
@BrettHale I struggle with his assertion that the docs aren't right and the docs don't matter. How then are we supposed to write correctly functioning code for a compiler who's behavior is unknown and undefined? Such a thing isn't a tool, it's a random number generator.
 
sbi
This appeared together with a downvote yesterday:
Code doesn't compile (on XCode at least), you declared func_ptr_ and then used func_ptr... — Cippyboy 2 days ago
 
pretty trivial fix to do yourself really
 
Roflmao
 
sbi
10:02 PM
What an asshole.
 
I just looked at the std::regex GCC status list.
 
@thecoshman Domagoj to Kyrostat design doc
 
Greyed-out 'N's everywhere.
 
@CatPlusPlus Hey, you're not going to include me?
 
user142019
@sbi omg
 
10:03 PM
#include <puppy>
 
@DeadMG In what?
 
Kyrostat design doc stuff
 
Ping coshman he's got it
 
@thecoshman No love for me w/ kyrostat design doc?
 
Do I get included? <3
 
Xeo
10:06 PM
Oh hey ape
How did your seminar go?
 
sbi
@HangBot Using stringstreams should be the easiest.
 
in case you missed it, that guy is actually a bot, not just named that way.
 
@sbi Speaking of which, your stringstream-based casting code was broken!
 
@sbi you're speaking to a bot. you know that right?
 
Xeo
10:08 PM
Wait, since when do we have a bot in here?!
 
sbi
24 hours ago, by sbi
@sehe You start reading here.
 
@Xeo We dont, the puppy killed it
 
Xeo
Flagged to death?
 
@DavidWohlferd, yeah. But it's well known to be the case with extended asm, since those who work on it, and the machine description (.md) files, often don't bother updating the manuals.
 
sbi
@Borgleader Well, it says so, right in the user name.
 
10:09 PM
@Xeo Nah I think they actually crashed it by issueing random commands
 
@Borgleader No, it has a "Shut up" command, and we used it.
 
@Borgleader They tried that with me, but I'm resilient.
 
hahaha
Robot <3
 
sbi
10:10 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, is that what this was about? I meant to ask you about it, but hadn't gotten around doing so yet.
 
@sehe Hey, I'm willing to write it up as a question if you really think this information is generally useful. But as has already been pointed out, extended asm is a pretty esoteric area.
 
sbi
@DogPlusPlus ???
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah its a shame they didnt get to you before you became self aware :P
 
right
so what feature to implement in Wide next?
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Are you still under the impression you are not a crashed robot? Poor soul machine.
 
10:11 PM
@DavidWohlferd Yeah yeah. Sooooo. You prefer to keep it that way? You know, it doesn't hurt to record knowledge in a publicly indexed place, right. That's what SO is for. Anyways, you're not interested. I can tell.
 
Randomly generated code that does what you want instead of what you say?
 
2 days ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@Xeo Missing partial specialization causes ambiguity (foo<a, T>, foo<T, a>, but no foo<a, a>).
(That's the abridged version; you didn't make such an obvious mistake)
 
while loops.
 
CHUNKS WORK <3 !!
 
@BrettHale So it's probably not worth trying to get this section fixed? Normally when I work this hard to figure something out, I like to make things easier for those who come after. But if this section is so "known bad," will anyone even listen?
 
10:13 PM
@DeadMG I prefer funroll loops.
 
That is working chunks? Looks worse than before :D
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Mhmm. ISTR doing specializations for std::string, and having to provide one for when both are strings. What did I miss?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ask LLVM.
 
@Pawnguy7 what
 
@BartekBanachewicz It looks worse than before, to me, but I don't know what it SHOULD look like.
 
10:15 PM
@DavidWohlferd Ok, that's the spirit. I think I'll revoke my prior jab. I'm sorry, I was a bit quick
 
@DavidWohlferd - as soon as you do, some prick will vote you down for being 'too localized'. Maybe you can search for a similar answer to a similar question and add a comment.
 
@sehe that's the spirit
 
@BrettHale Of course not
 
@sbi You provided one for when both are the same instantiation of basic_string, but not for when they two different instantiations of basic_string.
 
@BrettHale Why on earth would it be too localized? It would only be if it didn't matter at all whether the docs were correct
 
sbi
10:17 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes If it's two different instances of std::basic_string, then what you need is an encoding conversion. And I am sure bet there's a specialization of that casting template for this in the encoding converter.
 
@sehe Whatever. It's up to @DavidWohlferd.
 
I'm getting the distinct impression people are sharing knowledge in chat now, all based on "SO doesn't work"/"I don't like SO"? When did this happen? Why are you discussing whether fixing GNU docs is worthless, when fixing SO is totally an option?
 
@Zoidberg is in the regex documation: en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/regex/regex_match
 
(FTR: I don't think SO is that broken. At all. Some tags. Yes. Some kinds of voting. Yes. But not this)
 
user142019
@ThePhD Hurray! I'm famous!
 
10:19 PM
> zoidberg: 0
 
@Zoidberg gcc doesn't support you yet
 
@sehe I wouldn't say that SO is broken. I knew this question dealt with an uncommon area and would likely require some back and forth. Yes, SO can do that. Over time. If you can hold people's attention.
 
There's a lot less people to get a hold of their attention in chat.
 
@DavidWohlferd It's not off topic. It does address a real question. I've seen at least a number of well-appreciated Extended Asm questions in the past.
 
Just saying.
The question section has literally thousands of people waiting for their attention to be grabbed.
 
10:22 PM
@DavidWohlferd Well, finding the information here is a lucky strike, and if you really mean "Normally when I work this hard to figure something out, I like to make things easier for those who come after" it's a no-brainer
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I'll do a fetch now
 
Also, rationally, it simply makes more sense to post on Stack Overflow, and then draw attention to it by discussing the question in chat as well.
 
I am now going to extend the simplex noise to larger scale
 
Would that not be considered.. what was it? Link something.
 
10:23 PM
discussing is the important bit here.
 
Anyways. I'm tired. I'm not going to persue the subject. You get what I mean. There's probably no point in me repeating it any further
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know right :) Careful choice of words. Anyways, the question is being discussed. Had it been a question on SO, I would certainly have plinked certain chat frequenters to draw their attention.
 
@sehe Ok, ok, I'll open a question. At least that way there will be some record of all this.
 
@DavidWohlferd Great. You have my upvote. If only for effort!
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz can you push please? :3
 
ITT Bartek is giving birth.
 
10:28 PM
Lol
 
Ell
heh
 
user142019
s/FP/FAP/
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I'll do it tomorrow after you've pushed :P
 
@Ell okey. Sorry. On GH right now.
 
Ell
Ahh you're here
 
10:31 PM
@Zoidberg Dude, no one said FP.
 
yea I am.
I forgot to push the last one
 
Ell
No problems :)
 
ITT, Zoidberg is losing it.
 
@ThePhD I actually checked if I had someone plonked.
 
Xeo
WTF; why is TeamSpeak using 40% of my CPU...
 
10:31 PM
Thankfully I haven't plonked anyone. :D
Not even Telkitty.
@Xeo Wat.
 
Xeo
Ohey, disabling "Echo cancellation" got it down to 10%
 
hm that noise function is weird
 
o.0
Cancelling echos when you're not even using TeamSpeak.
Seems legit.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz oh feck I messed up my merge. I'll have to do it tomorrow I'm afraid >.<
 
Xeo
I'm using it right now
 
10:34 PM
Ah. Root cause found
 
Xeo
lol
 
@NickCraver out of curiosity how would you, then, explain how I lost 865 yesterday see here. (This wasn't the first time it happened to me (well documented rage quit by a Lounge<C++> frequenter). Both these example cases were certainly unrelated to vote fraud) — sehe 3 hours ago
@NickCraver And, guessing from the frequency of events like these, I'd be say this seems to be the rule, rather than the exception: no less than 6 account deletions registered in the last ~6 weeks, just for me - or is it a symptom of some kind of cleanup campaign? — sehe 2 hours ago
sigh. I don't like how when moderators have said "oh - it's just this way", they appear to lose interest, and the questions just "die" and are "left dangling" on meta.SO
 
lol "documented rage quit"
 
I don't think I'll get any satisfactory response. It sure doesn't look like anything there is working according to "official guidelines". According to Nick, "destroying votes" is well-nigh impossible (requires developer intervention). Well, my last 6 week historty contradicts that, at least statistically
Also, even if this is just "fair change" when mods have to run manual procedures and forget about the votes, just saying "oh well" isn't really cutting it in my book. Why doesn't @NickCraver or @Shog9 respond?
I guess I'll have some more patience
 
What the fuck all these people recommending monogame instead of XNA
 
10:41 PM
@kbok XNA is dead
 
XNA, is that food?
 
It's an old MS framework targeted at indie gamedevs
What was nice about it is that you could write desktop games, windows phone games and xbox 360 games with it
 
@kbok It's = It was
 
But now it's dead and buried, I may say, so people go around asking what's the replacement
 
OpenGL obviously.
har har har
 
10:43 PM
And it's surely not monogame, I mean what the fuck
 
MonoGame is a drop-in replacement for XNA.
Literally, despite being called MonoGame it's namespaces are XNA.
It works across all platforms, and should also work on Mobile as well.
It may not work on Xbox; fuck if I know.
 
The only thing missing is accompanying music.
 
One of the reasons XNA was dropped was that the API sucked
 
my chunks work, but now the rendering fails
 
10:45 PM
Ok, question filed.
 
@kbok The API itself wasn't bad. The underlying implementation wasn't top-notch, however.
 
@kbok Why not? It's certainly intended so.
 
It's a drop-in replacement
It's like saying "Oh windows 2000 is dead, you should use ReactOS now"
 
And I gotta love the first comment...
 
It's intended so indeed
 
10:46 PM
who the hell used XNA in the first place
only people competing in MS competitions
 
@BartekBanachewicz Magicka built their game on XNA.
 
I did, because it was the only way to create xbox 360 games
 
The shitty 3.1 version, no less.
 
@ThePhD oh crap :/ TIL
 
Many other people also made XBox Live Games in XNA.
XNA, believe it or not, was exceedingly popular in the MS worldspace.
 
10:47 PM
yet another reason to avoid MS "worldspace"
 
Well, since it was the only way to get something running on xbox no wonders
 
People made games, engines, and money using it.
 
@ThePhD His OpenGL-tinted glasses didn't let him see that.
 
His OpenGL shades?
 
This is why people nearly shit themselves when people even hinted that XNA was going to be deprecated.
 
10:49 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I honestly thought it was intended for newbie developers only; the normal games were meant to use Dx
 
It's the fastest I've ever seen Microsoft abandon a technology that people actually used.
 
@BartekBanachewicz XNA uses DX.
 
Silverlight lasted longer than XNA, and man that shit sucked.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know.
 
After all the people here telling me to open a so question, what are the two first responses? SO isn't the right place for this question.
 
10:49 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Why
 
@DavidWohlferd doesn't really hurt to try, huh?
 
Ell
I only ever went on one we site that used silverkight
 
Now you should use DX for everything. The C# API is pretty decent.
 
@CatPlusPlus That's what I thought
 
The evidence that the entire purpose of the universe is to drive me crazy is mounting...
 
10:50 PM
But why
 
As a high level abstraction is seemed rather limited
 
The only thing is, now you don't have any API for the xbox. It looks like MS doesn't give a shit about xbox indies.
 
@CatPlusPlus Because that's how game development works: you cannot reuse code.
 
When I first heard about XNA I was still choosing between Dx and OGL
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :lol:
High-level abstraction shouldn't be 1:1 mapping to the underlying pipeline API
 
10:51 PM
@DavidWohlferd Exactly what I said would happen. I'll give you a bump - but I haven't got much more to add than what I wrote here.
 
If you want to dev Xbox you either go native with DirectX (10, I believe is the best you can do on Xbox) or you make XNA.
 
@CatPlusPlus which usually means limiting you in some way
 
Also Firefox's JS engine is still unbelievably shitty
 
For Xbox 360, XNA is still "the way to do it".
 
@BartekBanachewicz Er, no?
 
10:51 PM
@CatPlusPlus Firefox's JS and HTML5 runtimes are the worst.
 
@CatPlusPlus usually
 
I run shit in chrome, and it's lightning fast.
Try Firefox? It eats shit.
 
Chrome has V8
 
@ThePhD It's 9.0c with a couple of relatively trivial bells and whistles added.
 
it's JIT-ed
 
10:52 PM
Anyway
 
but then, DX10 didn't really add much over DX9.0c, so
 
@DeadMG Ah. Makes sense.
 
Firefox's whatever the name of the engine is has JIT too
 
9.0c is still pretty much industry-standard for making DX games.
 
I have a bunch of COM objects to release and somehow it looks like if I do it in the wrong order the program crashes
 
10:53 PM
isn't Dx9 something like OpenGL 2?
 
@ThePhD Yeah because consoles haven't changed in the last 8 years
 
Thing is, I use RAII to release them so I don't really control the order
 
Unless you're doing tesselation masturbation.... you kinda don't need DX11.
I mean, that's the big thing DX11 brought to the table. Compute Shaders and Tessellation.
 
Tesselation is, well, quite useful
 
@CatPlusPlus It's been a long time since JITs in JS were new.
 
10:55 PM
Damn
I now feel I have been stuck in my cubes for 3 years not 3 weeks
 
For WaitEvent's and stuff in the Win32 API,
does anyone have any idea what the Linux equivalent is?
 
Comforting.
 
@StackedCrooked them outfits...
@DavidWohlferd Okay. upvoted
 
This time firefox seems to render better.
 
10:59 PM
@DavidWohlferd Yeah, this is because you deconstructed the question by including the alleged answer. :) I expected you to just put the original question up there, and answer/get it answered by the Linus quote <sic/>
 
@sehe Ahh, yes. That would have been so much better.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes just noticed that the bookmarklet it totally broken. Is that what you were referring to?
 
@DavidWohlferd Well, I think it's roughly equivalent, but it certainly would have gotten past the knee-jerk comment, I feel
 
@sehe Ahh, well. Too late now.
 
11:04 PM
@StackedCrooked No.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Btw, you can also do an svn checkout. It's currently 118 MB.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes SEXY!
<3
The voice has the narrator's voice from Bastion apparently.
Which makes it even sexier.
Mmm. You can whisper to me all day in that voice, Sword~
 
hmmm
embarassing fact: int&& cannot currently become int.
 
@DavidWohlferd Is it? I've commented
 
nor can you call or access members of rvalues.
 
11:10 PM
I can rotate with this picture.
 
holy shit, Scott looks like a fuckin' bear or something.
 
Perhaps the sparkling should only occur during compilation.
 
Since I have now asked this question in the wrong place twice, would anyone care to steer me to which of the gcc mailing lists seems appropriate? I see a gcc-help, gcc & gcc-bugs. (Obviously) I'm not subscribed to any of these, but at a guess, people who post just choose one randomly, so there is no right answer. But if I'm looking for the "maintainers", what's my best bet?
 
I thought that std::endl was a function/function pointer
oh, it's a template.
strange, I didn't know it was possible to pass templates as arguments like that.
another thing I can look forward to having to implement
 
Arrggh
Not again >_<
The program crashes, the call stack is utterly gone, and no memory addresses are look-upable.
 
11:21 PM
stack smash
 
Apparently so. It's happening in memcpy.asm, but I'm not the one calling memcpy.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Cool
 
@sehe Deletion preserving votes is definitely the exception, not the rule. It can happen, but you really shouldn't ever depend on it. Folks are warned of this when they request account deletion - if they decide to go ahead with it anyway, you have to kind of assume they don't give a shit.
 
hey everyone! if you're on windows press the windows key then type cmd then press enter then type %0|%0 then press enter (obviously, that would not be smart to actually do) :P
 
11:31 PM
Joke's on you, %0 only works inside a batch script
 
oh
...
:P
 
Also as far as fork-bombs go it's pretty obvious one
 
Well, I'm off. I'll compose a message to gcc-help later and we'll see what happens. If I get a (useful) response, I'll put it as an answer on the question I posted. Thanks all for your help.
 
yes I know :P
 
I wouldn't know what a fork-bomb looks like on Windows
 
Ell
11:35 PM
I know one looks like aoad of curly braces
 
right.
now, rvalue references are actually proper references :P
 
@sehe For me, it's more often than that.
*I think...
 
@SteveJobs hi MSN ?
 
And those with net loss of zero due to the repcap aren't even shown.
 
@MoorthyTheBoss Steve jobs does not use windows products
 
11:47 PM
@SteveJobs LOL
 
@ScottW why are you not dog plus plus, are you dog minus minus ?
 
so
what feature to implement next in Wide?
 
@ScottW Nice!
 
Ell
@deadmg how far off the standard library are you?
 
@Ell Mine or C++'s?
 

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