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Xeo
11:00 AM
Oooh. my new headset is sweet.
 
@Zoidberg Did you make it?
@Xeo You're not supposed to chew on it.
 
@Zoidberg how about this? "I am starting a project, and the only programming language I know is Java"
that's a pretty good reason to use Java
 
user142019
That's a pretty good reason to learn a new language.*
 
I used Java for my first projects.
 
user142019
@StackedCrooked ja.
 
11:02 AM
@jalf You mean like 90% of the CS majors?
 
@Zoidberg Some people, out here in the real world, have things called deadlines
 
Xeo
I'm just wondering one thing... why does hardware always come with a friggin CD? :( I don't have any CD / DVD drive connected, currently. Can't they just pack an, I don't know, 100 mb stick or something?!
 
user142019
@jalf that means you need to learn it very quickly!
 
@Xeo DL drivers from interwebs.
 
@Xeo CDs are cheap, pennies cheap really.
 
Xeo
11:03 AM
@DeadMG With 8KB down. :<
 
@Zoidberg I would like to see Ruby a little higher and Perl a little lower :)
 
@Zoidberg no, it means that some people are actual programmers, rather than just idiots who sit around insulting Java to boost their own egos
 
Xeo
@jalf You shouldn't have hard deadlines when you're just starting a project, no?
Also, things are best learned with a little pressure! :)
 
user142019
@StackedCrooked :P
 
@Xeo (1) why not, and (2) even if you don't, you might still have soft deadlines, or just an important reason why the project needs to be done ASAP
 
Xeo
11:05 AM
Holy crap, when I turn the volume all the way up, this headset is louder & clearer than my speakers.
 
if you're comfortable using Java, and you need to be productive (because you need to deliver something that works ASAP) why the fuck should you not use it?
 
@Xeo Isnt a headset supposed to be better than speakers?
 
@Xeo What brand/model is it?
 
Xeo
@GamesBrainiac Not from a loudness point of view, normally.
 
@Xeo I guess so. I bought a cheap headset, and I can hear juts fine. I prefer not spending a fortune on something like beats
 
Xeo
11:08 AM
I opted for a wired headset, since the wireless ones are so fucking expensive. :(
 
They look cool.
 
Xeo
And oops, maybe I shouldn't have linked the German site.
 
@Xeo Thats 51 Euros. Hell no, way too expensive for a headset! :P
 
I use these at work. Noise cancellation really helps to stay in "the zone". I actually bought those on a whim at Narita airport :D
 
What is 'Frequenz Bandbreite Antwort:100 - 8000 Hz'?
 
11:12 AM
@MartinJames frequency bandwidth answer
 
I don't understand that item. Microphone spec?
 
> The noise cancelling effect is absolutely stunning. It's almost like my ear stopped working
That was my reaction as well.
 
@thecoshman Always end up with normal-size pancakes, (if you're lucky), or one small one, Give the dog the small one.
 
Mawning
 
LO, I just got up too.
 
user142019
11:18 AM
Mawning
 
It was nice to snooze for a few hours
I could have snoozed all day
 
I actually feel good today. Didn't go out till late last night. It's a one-paracetamol-only morning. Might do some work.
I've got a 'Can't focus a disabled or invisible window' to fix on an older app.
 
The users have found a novel way of stuffing the app - one I didn't test for.
 
Users suck at using programs.
 
user142019
11:24 AM
Users are terrible.
 
user142019
Especially when they're noobs.
 
user1357851
Err hate dumbass phones, Android debugger likes to freeze my pc as much as my iphone likes to freeze my mac
 
noobs with boobs
 
user1357851
@FredOverflow better than noobs with moobs
 
user142019
@FredOverflow I know quite a few.
 
11:27 AM
lol
 
They enter a PIN, press/click the login button, then go for coffee/fag. When they get back, the server has timed out the connection so the login fails. Then, instead of retrying to enter the PIN, they just close the app. This auto-saves the app state with the login frame disabled. My app does not re-enable it when the app starts again and tries to focus the disabled frame :((
 
user142019
Your app sucks.
 
I don't like to say it, but yes :(
 
unsigned int (*data)[4]; this isn't an array of pointers?
 
user142019
Los is one nice song.
 
user142019
11:31 AM
@TonyTheLion I think it's a pointer to an array. :L
 
the fuck
 
Yeah - looks like one pointer to me - it's explicitly cast as such.
 
user142019
std::array<T*, 4> data; // problemo solvo
 
C Y U CONFUSING?
unsigned int* data[4]; array of pointers
 
@TonyTheLion You just need to learn the art of C declarator syntax.
 
11:32 AM
put brackets and it changes?
@FredOverflow it seems to be quite hard
 
user142019
Use std::array.
 
Just look at the expression (*data)[4]. What happens first, the dereference or the array access?
 
user142019
Never use C-style arrays ever.
 
user142019
Never.
 
@FredOverflow dereference?
 
user142019
11:33 AM
They are confusing and behave in a retarded way.
 
It's not that confusing. I throw stuff in, then move the casts, '*', 'const', 'static' etc. around until the compiler errors go away.
 
@TonyTheLion Right, that's why it's a pointer.
 
@Zoidberg I'm trying to learn, so sush
 
user142019
:P
 
@FredOverflow so the parenthesis indicate the precedence here
 
11:34 AM
exactly
 
so this is then a pointer to a double array unsigned int (*data)[2][23]; ?
 
user142019
unsigned int[4]* data; would be much better syntax.
 
well thank you for teaching me something new :)
 
11:35 AM
IMHO a better syntax would be int data*[2][23];
But unfortunately, dereference is prefix, not postfix.
 
so how do you pass a pointer to an array to a function?
 
void foo(int (*p)[4]);
foo(&a);
 
user142019
I like this:
 
But why would you want to do that?
 
11:37 AM
I'd start typedeffing about now.
 
user142019
void foo(int xs[static 4]);
 
user142019
Don't know if it works in C++, but it does in C.
 
@FredOverflow I don't, I'm just curious as to how it would be different to normal arrays, 2D arrays and arrays of pointers.
 
user142019
It ensures that you'll always get an array of at least four elements. :)
 
user142019
(Otherwise UB.)
 
11:37 AM
@TonyTheLion You know the array FAQ, right?
 
@FredOverflow I do.
 
Good, it's all in there.
 
@GamesBrainiac are you serious? @Konrad was buying his last one for 700 Euro, IIRC
 
> I am designing my own iterator, I figured this was the simplest approach
One does not simply design iterators
 
Xeo
11:39 AM
@GamesBrainiac Eh, quality costs, is a simple fact.
 
Why do all these noobs love "approach"
 
user142019
@StackedCrooked what am I watching.
 
"Approach" is an app for roaches.
3
 
Xeo
And 50€ is actually rather cheap for such a headset.
 
@BartekBanachewicz My headphones cost 350 Euros
 
11:39 AM
@Zoidberg I don't know what you are watching :P
 
but sexy and good sound
 
user142019
@StackedCrooked The video.
 
He's watching Zoidberg porn
 
@Zoidberg You don't understand its contents?
 
@StackedCrooked I want that in Poland
 
user142019
11:40 AM
Yes but why would anyone film that.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I want it here as well.
 
user142019
And why am I looking at it.
 
@Zoidberg Because you have nothing better to do :P
 
user142019
Good point.
 
lol fresh socks
 
Xeo
11:42 AM
"I figured this was the simplest approach" -- you figured wrong. Also, you need to neither inherit from any iterator category or std::iterator_traits- std::iterator is what you want to inherit from. Or even better, boost::iterator_facade. Guess why that thing exists - because even advanced users have it hard to actually implement correct iterators. — Xeo 14 secs ago
 
too bad Mitch hasn't shown up yet
 
user142019
C++ needs generators.
 
I am looking for seeing his code
 
Xeo
Hmm, damn, I have been too lazy lately with answering questions. I need ~200 upvotes for Gold badge, and KerrekSB and others are already extremely close to theirs. :(
 
@StackedCrooked woah, now that's service!!! :)
 
11:45 AM
@Zoidberg Great idea, let's keep shoving more features into C++!
 
@TonyTheLion amazing, huh?
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow Yep, great idea. In all seriousness.
 
@BartekBanachewicz yea
 
I feel a potential for moving service in Poland. Fuck programming
 
C++ needs alternators
 
user142019
11:45 AM
auto range(int begin, int end) {
    for (auto i = begin; i < end; ++i) yield i;
}

int main() {
    for (auto x : range(0, 10)) std::cout << x << '\n';
}
 
C++ needs faperators :P
 
Xeo
@Zoidberg I think yield is actually being proposed for C++Next.
 
C++ needs some love.
 
user142019
@FredOverflow A function with yield would return an object of magical type (like lambdas) that is iteratable.
 
@TonyTheLion You already are the faperator.
 
11:46 AM
oh
 
@Xeo How is that going to be implemented? Lots of compiler magic like in C#?
 
too much magic
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow Aye, some code transformation, basically. I mean, it's coroutines. You can already do that today, with macros, but it's kinda ugly.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Poles are not copyable?
 
user142019
@Xeo or with Boost.Coroutine or Boost.Context. :)
 
11:47 AM
@MartinJames lol
 
@MartinJames They're only move constructible
 
Xeo
@Zoidberg Yeah, but as I said, it's kinda ugly.
 
@MartinJames We can be specialized, though
 
Xeo
@Zoidberg Btw, stackless coroutines are actually rather easy, which is cool.
The stack part is where it gets hard.
 
Never found any use for coroutines, stacked or otherwise.
 
11:50 AM
I never understood coroutines
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow "ZoidErlang", huh?
 
you both should code them in lua @Martin @Tony
 
Xeo
@MartinJames Generators are a great use for them.
 
hmmm
> multiple entry points
2
lol
 
Xeo
Having dirty thoughts again?
 
user142019
11:52 AM
lol
 
Two-Pole or four-Pole?
 
@Xeo nailed it
 
user142019
@TonyTheLion they're like fake threads that you switch to and from manually, and they don't run concurrently.
 
@Xeo how did you make that conclusion? :P
 
..and you cannot make any blocking calls.
 
11:53 AM
and continuations
 
Is standard library also a dependency for you? — Bartek Banachewicz 1 hour ago
FUCKING GOD sometimes I totally agree with @Cat
 
user1357851
define 'standard' library
 
user142019
 
@Telkitty C++ standard library. o.O What else do you need to define?
 
#define standard library
it's done
 
user1357851
11:54 AM
@BartekBanachewicz STL?
 
@Telkitty no. C++ Standard Library
 
user1357851
or does it include boost?
 
user142019
It's the library specified by the standard you noob.
 
@Telkitty no.
 
user142019
FYI, there is a document that specifies C++ and it's called the standard.
 
Ell
11:55 AM
Lololol
 
user142019
And it also specifies the standard library which is called the standard library.
 
Ell
@zoid hmm I'm still sceptical. Define "also"
 
@Zoidberg coroutines = composability supreme?
 
user142019
@FredOverflow coroutines = single-thread actor model. :P
 
user1357851
In the C++ programming language, the C++ Standard Library is a collection of classes and functions, which are written in the core language and part of the C++ ISO Standard itself. The C++ Standard Library provides several generic containers, functions to utilize and manipulate these containers, function objects, generic strings and streams (including interactive and file I/O), support for some language features, and everyday functions for tasks such as finding the square root of a number. The C++ Standard Library also incorporates 18 headers of the ISO C90 C standard library ending with ".h...
 
user142019
11:57 AM
I know what it is thank you.
 
Ell
I want deadmg to finish wide already!
 
user1357851
I am kind of right, according to the wiki:
 
user1357851
The C++ Standard Library is based upon conventions introduced by the Standard Template Library (STL). Although the C++ Standard Library and the STL share many features, neither is a strict superset of the other. In particular, the C++ Standard Library has also been influenced[3] by the work of Alexander Stepanov and Meng Lee.[4]
 
@Telkitty is based != is
 
user142019
I love boobs.
2
 
user1357851
11:58 AM
inherited from
 
that's very cool
 
user1357851
so kind of is
 
BUT they are not the same
these are two distinct things
 
Ell
yeah Mac is Unix
Meh sorta doesn't work
 
user1357851
Mac is based on Unix
 
11:59 AM
And saying C++ Standard Library has no "options" of understanding
 
user1357851
it has terminal/console ... do you use mac btw?
 
Ell
But Mac isn't Unix
 
@Telkitty what
Windows has terminal too
 
Ell
And having a terminal has no relevance
 
TIL That all systems that have terminal are Unixes.
@Telkitty and how is that relevant if I use Mac or not?
 
user142019
12:00 PM
@Telkitty oh of course everything with a terminal is based on Unix.
 
user142019
(Pro tip: Windows also has a terminal.)
 
Ell
my phone is Unix
 
user1357851
@BartekBanachewicz no, window's 'terminal' is called Dos terminal, Mac's is Unix based
 
user142019
Except Windows' terminal is fucked up.
 
user142019
And designed by an idiot who must die very painfully.
 
Ell
12:01 PM
Windows terminal is cmd.exe
 
user1357851
you can use kill -9 on Mac to kill a process
 
user1357851
you can use find on the file system
 
user142019
OS X is fully POSIX-compliant.
 
Ell
You can on windows, just install it xD
 
user142019
That hasn't got anything to do with the fucking terminal.
 
user142019
12:02 PM
An OS with no terminal can still be fully POSIX-compliant.
 
@Telkitty that's bullshit
 
user142019
I don't understand why you are talking about terminals.
 
user142019
POSIX doesn't require a terminal to be present.
 
user1357851
if you open Mac terminal, you can type in /var and have a look
 
@Telkitty wow
 
user1357851
12:05 PM
very similar to linux system
 
user1357851
window is drastically different
 
@Telkitty which of course is Unix, right?
 
user142019
@Telkitty yeah so what.
 
you haven't got the slightest idea of what you are talking about
 
user1357851
I did not say it is Unix
 
user142019
12:05 PM
Linux is a Unix clone.
 
and y'know, we use Linux. And Windows. And Mac OS.
 
user142019
@Telkitty I can do that in Finder too.
 
user1357851
I said it is like unix
 
and what does it add in the discussion?
 
user142019
Yeah but why the hell do you mention terminals which are completely irrelevant.
 
12:06 PM
we started on whether Stepanov's library is equal to stdlib
 
user142019
lol
 
user1357851
@Zoidberg Ok, I wasn't very clear
 
based on != equal
EOT.
 
user1357851
By terminal I meant shell like terminal
 
1 min ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
you haven't got the slightest idea of what you are talking about
 
user142019
12:07 PM
Who cares about operating systems anyway.
 
user142019
They all suck.
 
Please open up a wiki page called "POSIX", read it, then come back
 
user142019
Computers suck.
 
Why are you using them then?
 
user142019
Because I like using computers.
 
12:08 PM
so stop saying they suck then
it's getting a bit annoying to hear it all the time
out of the same persons mouth
 
user142019
I usually say "is terrible" rather than "sucks".
 
user142019
It's the Robot who always says that things suck.
 
user1357851
POSIX ( ), an acronym for "Portable Operating System Interface", is a family of standards specified by the IEEE for maintaining compatibility between operating systems. POSIX defines the application programming interface (API), along with command line shells and utility interfaces, for software compatibility with variants of Unix and other operating systems. Name Originally, the name "POSIX" referred to IEEE Std 1003.1-1988, released in 1988. The family of POSIX standards is formally designated as IEEE 1003 and the international standard name is ISO/IEC 9945. The standards, formerly kn...
 
@Telkitty I have read it, thank you
 
operating systems do a difficult job well, IYAM.
 
user142019
12:10 PM
Except when they don't. :P
 
user1357851
@BartekBanachewicz OS X(mac) and solaris(unix) are fully POSIX compliant?
 
> As the series progressed, writers gradually introduced the themes that Zoidberg is also poor, homeless, friendless, smelly, undignified, and repulsive.
 
@Zoidberg Like what?
 
everything makes sense now
:P
 
I don't observe OSes to be any more flawed or buggy than any other software that I use.
 
12:11 PM
@Telkitty I think so. Solaris certainly is
 
in fact, I think I'd have to say that Windows is the most reliable piece of software that I use.
 
user1357851
@BartekBanachewicz So which side are you arguing on?
 
oh noes, I sense OS wars coming up next
 
6 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
we started on whether Stepanov's library is equal to stdlib
 
user142019
@DeadMG wow you must use pretty bad software.
 
12:13 PM
are you even reading the chat?
@Zoidberg it reliably fails
 
user142019
Google Glass will be released at the end of 2013.
 
user142019
Can't wait.
 
user142019
I better have loads of money by then.
 
You work right?
 
user142019
Ja.
 
Xeo
12:18 PM
Hm... is there a way in C++ to tell the compiler to prefer one implicit conversion operator over the other, if they would both be valid?
 
@Xeo how about not using implicit conversion operators?
 
nope
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz They're an intricate part of my design. I'm writing something to rank overloads with.
 
@Xeo then I think you're in a dead-end
 
user142019
Convert explicitly.
 
12:19 PM
@Xeo We already have that. It's called "the Clang API".
 
Xeo
@DeadMG In C++ itself.
So you don't have to worry about overlapping EnableIf conditions.
I can already do it for up to 7 (10 with user-action), but I want more.
 
user1357851
this is way too wrong
 
user1357851
 
ugh font libraries
I think I get why there are no good ones
writing one is such a PITA
 
Xeo
12:27 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Be a paragon and finish one! Then no one else will have to suffer! Endure! BE THE MARTYR! ENDUUUURE!
 
yay. I guess.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Needs about 20% more "yay".
 
In 10 seconds flat.
 
user142019
Today is a boring day.
 
@BartekBanachewicz It looks like she's trying to defecate.
 
12:38 PM
@StackedCrooked ... haven't you watched that episode?
 
Episode?
 
Xeo
lol
 
There's episodes of that?
 
Xeo
Bwahaha
 
12:39 PM
it's My Little Pony R4 ("season" 4)
 
Xeo
So, @Bartek watched MLP.
 
^ original
I have a t-shirt with Rainbowdash :3
 
user142019
lol
 
Ell
Damn. I don't know if I missed the bus or not
 
Did you get a bus error?
 
Ell
12:43 PM
Heh nope
 
@Telkitty I feel that the expression: lol, what is this i don't even would be an appropriate response.
 
Ell
Looks this is what is wrong with error codes
If you don't catch them at the site the error goes unnoticed
 
Slowpoke :p
@Telkitty Where did you find that? Is it the result of a "search for similar images" feature?
 
user1357851
@StackedCrooked me can have cheeseburge: icanhas.cheezburger.com
 
user142019
@Ell LOL
 
12:46 PM
@Ell Well, raise an exception - that's what they're for.
 
user142019
I don't like exceptions nor error codes.
 
user142019
Give me pattern matching.
 
user142019
case my_function of
    {ok, Value} -> something(Value);
    {error, Error} -> boom()
end
 
user1357851
bear attack way too cute
 
user1357851
12:51 PM
 
@Zoidberg That is error codes.
 

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