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2:00 PM
Is there a Bitcoin?
Oh gosh, there is.
 
I'm sure it's a goldmine
get it
heh
 
haha, great questions.
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Q: What is the best BTC miner for intel HD 4000 card?

user605596Right now I am using GUIminer(and some guides said not to use it), it gets ~80Mhash/s but this miner is laggy, sometimes disconnects without a reason, and it is slow... So I would like to use cgminer, but it doesn't find Intel hd card... so how do I use cgminer with Intel HD 4000 integrated card...

> The question is HOW would You do this with the restrictions of an integrated video card? lets say for theoretical learning purposes, NOT TO MAKE MONEY! I just wanna see if I can make it work.
 
JBL
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's what I said, which is why I wondered if anyone could help me with that :/ I just need to be pointed at the right docs, or book or whatever.
 
JBL
"Big fucking gold miner".
 
2:01 PM
Oh buttcoiners
 
lol
Cat++ use facebook?
 
I TOTALLY DO NOT WANT TO GET ON THE BANDWAGON BUT CAN'T
 
lol still too trendy for me
I have no personal facebook account
 
> How can I buy Bitcoins in the UK now that Blockchain.info has suspended its deposits?
 
Like ... I have time for social networking?
 
2:02 PM
The answer is of course "meet some shady strangers and do it face-to-face"
Currency of the future
 
:DD
 
> QuickBitcoin (http://quickbitcoin.co.uk) accepts UK bank transfers for bitcoins. There are no fees, and transactions are very quick.
> that looks well dubious and a rip off
Of course it does, it's a buttcoin business
 
JBL
WTF some chars display correctly in the chat, but don't in the list of starred messages!
 
different fonts I'd guess.
 
@CatPlusPlus How do you even trade bitcoins face-to-face?
 
2:04 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, you can print out the private key as QRcode or whatever, or put it on a USB stick
 
Do you just give someone your wallet? That only shares it.
 
And then hope you're not getting fake money
 
There are no move semantics.
@JBL Text renderer is too stupid vOv
 
These are people who give out tips in butts, with the disclaimer that if tipped person doesn't claim the money in X days, they're taking it back
 
user3010322
Lol.
 
2:06 PM
@JBL also, some characters display correctly in the chat, but not when you unfold user info by clicking on their nickname (hence Jeffrey's yesterday struggling with his nickname)
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, but you still have it. You can just fire up your smartphone after you have the cash and transfer it to another wallet right after.
 
I have bits of wire on my nose.
 
Maybe they do wallet-to-wallet transactions, dunno
 
@DeadMG I'm a robot.
 
user3010322
Bitcoins were only worth it when they first started up.
 
2:06 PM
And hope it won't take 4 hours to process
They were never worth it as anything more than a gamble
 
user3010322
I know someone who bought Bitcoins right when they first came out (10 of them for 6 dollars), and at their current worth he could get an easy 6K.
 
user3010322
But I'm not so sure it's worth its effort anymore.
 
@DeadMG You gave the robot a blow job?
 
no.
 
user3010322
Kinky~
 
2:07 PM
There are funner things to do with your disposable income, if you really want to gamble it away
 
obviously, online poker.
 
You can always do normal stock market shit.
 
(for the love of cthulhu never consider this an ~~~investment~~~ and don't put your real money into it)
 
@MartinJames I think this will be a great decoration for the starboard.
 
Yeah play on Forex
 
user3010322
2:08 PM
The best thing about Bitcoins, I think, is because it's not backed by a central government (making it worthless in some senses), it also makes it very powerful because Bitcoins are untaxable by any government.
 
At least the values of real currencies don't shift by 50% within 5 minutes
 
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Q: Why don't people buy at one exchange and sell at another?

PacerierBitcoinity.org shows that for the past 30 days, bitstamp's price is high at 101.00, low at 77.00, and current price is 98.04. On contrast, mtgox's price for the past 30 days is high at 115.00, low at 86.20, and current price is 110.50. In other words, someone or anyone can just buy from bitstamp...

lol
 
@CatPlusPlus lol, nowadays people call almost everything an investment. including buying a new toothbrush ;0
 
@ThePhD That is completely false
 
@ThePhD That's not a good thing.
 
2:09 PM
@ThePhD lol, your Kool-Aid is dripping.
 
Butts are not any more untaxable than USD
 
user3010322
IIRC, wasn't the US government trying to tax Bitcoins but failing to for those reasons?
 
@rightfold I tried on Arcade.SE but didn't work. On Super User did.
 
You can avoid paying taxes with USD as well
You even have to do the same thing, i.e. avoid a paper trail that links money to you
afaik IRS don't get money from your goddamn bank account, you send it to them
And you fill tax forms yourself
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't like KoolAid. :c
 
2:11 PM
@CatPlusPlus depends on the tax type
 
@CatPlusPlus The big difference is that with paper money there isn't a public record of all your transactions, just waiting for something that links your name to it.
 
It's hilarious how it's worse than "real money" at most things it claims as advantages.
 
Butts are even easier to link than USD, especially with exchanges being far and few between, and with attention being really focused on them
 
@CatPlusPlus And public and always recorded for all posterity with an insane amount of backups.
 
2:12 PM
And banks flag butt transactions as suspicious
 
I know nothing about Buttcoin
 
And you'll be investigated for money laundering as well as tax avoidance :v
 
It's a record that is literally impossible to erase.
 
It's also a record that makes the whole thing completely fucking unscalable
But hey first prototype is the best right, ~~currency of the future~~
 
user3010322
@Xeo So this is as far as I've gotten with it. I've been trying to match the error's signature that I've been seing to make it deduce the template arguments down to 1, but it's just not working. :c coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/2ac2b84739794166
 
2:13 PM
so... are you saying that Bitcoin isn't webscale?
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:DDD
 
Butt network can process 7 transactions per second or something like that
 
lol -webscale
> Butt network
 
Also the block chain grows exponentially
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus That sounds slow.
 
2:14 PM
sounds wrong
 
user3010322
Really, really slow.
 
It's already in gigabytes and people are not even using this for anything serious
Other than drugs
 
@ThePhD It is slow by design.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Really?
 
blockchain.info look at the top
 
2:15 PM
@KonradRudolph Try to watch behind what people told you about him. How does it have any monopoly on medias? Everybody hates him. If it would really control the medias you would love him. The truth is that he just holds a bunch of TV channels since way before he got into politics. Let me ask you something: what if the other parties tried to get him off the power by either manipulating reality or rat him off (yes, rat because they are all equally rotten in there). Has this ever occurred to you?
 
Transactions get verified by miners, so none of the transactions that show up in 'latest' are verified until a new mined block appears on top
 
@ThePhD It was designed to slow down as the network's combined computing power increases.
 
It took 5 minutes between last two blocks, and 678 transactions
So yeah about 2.26 transactions per second
But sometimes transactions can go unverified for days
 
user3010322
So if the system were to collapse, all those unverified transactions would go with it?
 
@Jefffrey whats this?
 
user3010322
2:17 PM
Or does the system just freeze what it has and do payouts?
 
It's P2P network so it doesn't really have availability problem
 
@ThePhD If When the system collapses, unverified transactions will be the least problem.
@CatPlusPlus It collapses when the miners leave.
 
Well yeah
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum contrary to popular belief, C++ folks don't really write much browser plugins
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, anyone who stories their entire fortune is Bitcoins and not gold or something more worthwhile is bound to be an idiot.
 
2:18 PM
There's that whole stupid thing
Also, FREE TRANSACTIONS but you won't get confirmed unless you pay a high transaction fee
This is FREE MARKET so transaction fees are shifted onto customers
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus <_>
 
The miners leave when they cannot keep up with the inherent "non-scaling", or, best case, when the bitcoins end, since there's a limited supply by design.
 
@KonradRudolph Just to make an example: do you remember that famous video about him being a smartass towards a german chief in the european parliament? I bet everybody told you that that was the proof that he was a scumbag, right? Well, go watch the german's intervention right before the timelapse that that video shows and then tell me who behaved worse there. I'm not saying he is a saint, I'm saying that it is hypocrisy to believe he is any worse than the other people that are in power.
You just happened to see an example.
 
user3010322
Miners are the people farming out their GPU/CPU cycles for Bitcoins, right?
 
Oh it hasn't been GPU/CPU for ages now
 
2:19 PM
@BartekBanachewicz heh.
 
Now it's all custom hardware they pay thousands for
And that is not profitable in the least
 
@ThePhD Yeah, all transaction can have a "verification fee" attached that gets paid to whoever verifies it (that fee comes from your money, of course). No one will verify your transaction if you don't pay. If you pay more you get verified first. Free market at work.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Invisible Hand and all.
 
> Estimated Confirmation Time 10 minutes (queue position 148)
 
@CatPlusPlus it really depends on how early you got in, given how the protocol is laid out and all. I'm sure some people made a killing.
 
2:20 PM
Imagine waiting in a store for 10 minutes for your CC transaction to confirm
 
@CatPlusPlus 10 minutes is the ECT by design, IIRC.
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus Well, I gave that one example of the person who got 10 Bitcoins early when they only cost 6 dollars, and is now sitting on 6 Grand.
 
@CatPlusPlus ever tried moving non trivial amount of money with a wire transfer between countries? That takes way more than 10 minutes. Can take hours.
 
user3010322
Anyone who joins the game now isn't going to get such an investment or increase.
 
hmm so the auction on that another logitech wheel is at 6PLN
I dunno if I will be able to go much further
 
2:22 PM
> Estimated Confirmation Time 20 minutes (queue position 507)
 
@ThePhD I bet people said that when it got to 6 dollars from 1 dollar too. Or when it got from 20 to 100.
 
Ironically, low-price auctions are way more fun
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I dunno, when I pay stuff with my credit card, I don't have to wait at all (well, a couple seconds, maybe).
 
If you're lucky then it might be 10 minutes!
 
I often use a Portuguese card here in Germany.
 
2:22 PM
oh god 8PLN
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum So? I was talking about day-to-day use
 
WHERE DOES IT END
 
@CatPlusPlus oh yeah with that I completely agree.
 
fuck yeah 10.50 PLN and I'm ahead
that's like 3 bucks.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes One can build a service on top of bitcoin to do that, comparing bitcoins to credit card (or paypal) transactions it the wrong analogy IMO. Comparing them to wire transfers makes more sense.
 
2:23 PM
oh fuck me, in CPython3.3.3 implementation the is_valid_fd() function returns true for zero file descriptor.
 
"No no sir you can't leave with your groceries yet, your transaction is 359822nd in the queue and will take 42 hours to confirm"
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm not the only one doing that... vOv
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Of course comparing them to CC is wrong analogy, because CCs have consumer protection in the form of chargeback
Hell, wire transfers can be retracted too, even if it takes more effort
 
@CatPlusPlus agreed, and a bunch of other stuff too.
 
Butts? nope
FREE MARKET
 
2:24 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Doing a transfer between UK & Belgian accounts takes up to 3 days.
 
@KonradRudolph And one last thing. For God's sake, don't trust any media, ever. Everybody shows you only one side of the coin. This whole "let's hate Berlusconi" is just a lot of people being manipulated. He probably deserves it, but I'd rather just treat him like any piece of shit in power: by ignoring it as long as I can. If you have a plan to improve the system, I'm all ears, but I ain't gonna be manipulate a party to take someone else's down. That's not justice. That's just stupid.
 
@CatPlusPlus ever tried doing that?
 
@Pawnguy7 Berlusconi and shit.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum It's possible, even if painfully hard.
 
So it's been 18 minutes since last block now
 
2:25 PM
lol
 
oh well it seems that 0 is a valid file descriptor. fuck VC++
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I heard so too, but I got a lot of shit when I actually tried to do it. As in - absurd amounts. I ended up just convincing the other party to make another transaction back because it was simpler.
 
user3010322
@Abyx INVALID_HANDLE_VALUE ?
 
@Jefffrey Hm. In other news, I have lots of boilerplate
 
@ThePhD it's not a native file handle.
 
user3010322
2:26 PM
Oh.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I never tried it, but my aunt works in that stuff and says they do it sometimes. It does require inordinate amounts of bullshit, yes.
 
user3010322
Well then. Shrug.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum At least there are people you can yell at
With butts you're shit out of luck
Also if you want to wire 20 butts and accidentally put the amount in 'transaction fee'
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
I think the bitcoin protocol is naive, it relies on the fact you pass information on when sometimes it's your best interest not to pass it on.
 
2:28 PM
@Jefffrey What are you talking about? He's had a lot of support, even after all the scandals rolled in.
 
It's a techdemo rolled into production by incompetent idiots who have no idea what they're doing
Because ~~currency of the future~~
 
Hm interesting there's a blue flag in racing that tells you that a person passing you is doubling you
 
@Jefffrey Personally, I think there's a fairly big difference between "a shit in power", and "a shit in power who is known to behave like a shit and has been found guilty of quite a few crimes, and who has bent the country's laws to grant himself immunity"
 
22 minutes :v
That small transaction that had ECT of 20 minutes 10 minutes ago?
> Estimated Confirmation Time 52 minutes (queue position 734)
 
@BartekBanachewicz doubling?
 
2:30 PM
@CatPlusPlus half of the internet is a techdemo rolled into production by incompetent idiots. However with bitcoins it seems like they have an idea what they're doing technologically. There is an amazing amount of research on the weaknesses of the protocol, stability and instability points and ways to fuck with it.
 
@Pawnguy7 like, having one more lap than you and passing you
 
@jalf so what? Holding a bunch of TV channels in the Internet era, seriously? That's having monopoly on the media? I bet Cat Plus Plus with his Twitter account have more monopoly on the media (jk of course).
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum It's not done by people behind it, mostly :v
 
Overlapping?
 
Most of buttcommunity is morons
 
2:31 PM
libcurlpp goldmine:
 
Some are additionally lolbertarians for extra fun
 
		/**
		* What can I say? Everyone is dying one time or another...
		*/
		virtual ~Option();
 
@Pawnguy7 maybe, I don't know the english term
 
@CatPlusPlus no - it's not :) And yes, most of the bitcoin community is morons. The stock exchange sounds complex to them so they ''make a killing'' at bitcoins because they're 'simpler' or something.
 
user3010322
@sehe Lol.
 
2:31 PM
@jalf Oh noez, a politician who bent the country's law to his favor? That's new!
 
anyways, fclose(stdin); looks like a valid workaround >_<
 
@sehe reminds me of someone's code
 
It is !
 
Xeo
@Abyx uhm what
 
@BartekBanachewicz (derp?)
 
2:32 PM
@sehe nvm
I want to build something like this
 
user1804599
DO IT
 
user3010322
What is that?
 
What is that?
 
So, it took 22 minutes for this block, 1397 transactions
 
But ARM boards are too expensive.
 
2:33 PM
Don't you love when your transaction time is determined by random chance
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus I sure do. :D
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's a hardware display for racing
 
user1804599
Hmm. Speaking of transactions.
 
@Xeo I'm calling Py_Initialize(); in a GUI application and it dies because stdin is kinda broken. so I closed it and now it works. broken VC++ CRT probably.
 
I wonder how cheap I could get a, say, ATmega board that could interact over USB
 
2:34 PM
@Pawnguy7 Sorry, I'm on a political rage right now. And I also have to go in few minutes.
 
user3010322
@BartekBanachewicz Arduino sounds like it could do the trick for you.
 
or maybe I could just use one Galileo and then plug various stuffs to it
 
user3010322
But I don't know if they have a dedicated USB model.
 
user1804599
If I have two SERIALIZABLE transactions in PostgreSQL, what happens when they both want to do things that would conflict with each other at the same time? Will one wait till the other is committed or rolled back, or will it fail immediately?
 
@ThePhD expensive.
I am thinking about building one base board and plugging everything to it
 
user3010322
2:34 PM
@BartekBanachewicz True. Arduino's cost way too much money, but it takes some serious tooling to build your own thing of the same quality.
 
@BartekBanachewicz storm?
class YesNo
{
public:
    explicit YesNo(bool yn) : yesno(yn) {}
    std::string operator()() const {
        return yesno ? "Yes" : "No";
    }
    friend std::ostream &operator<<(std::ostream &strm, const YesNo &yn) {
        strm << yn();
        return strm;
    }
private:
    bool yesno;
};
 
user3010322
I know, because I'm trying right now. <_>
 
Interesting
 
@ThePhD Too bad you can't really code to do that properly :)
 
...
 
2:35 PM
jk, those low-cost low-power low-price stuffs can be extremely fucked up
@sehe cough
 
user1804599
@sehe …
 
that's precisely why I want a central x86/ARM unit with pluggable modules
over GPIO or COM
 
@Jefffrey Ah. I would, but there are just so many politicans. Anyway, Snake is progressing.
 
user3010322
I'm stuck again. =[
 
@BartekBanachewicz How much is an Arduino these days?
 
2:37 PM
@ThePhD what were you basing on?
 
One of my coworkers is making a programmable coffee machine with one.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes in developed countries or in 3rd world like Poland?
also Arduino has their own C dialect IIRC
 
@BartekBanachewicz Can't you like, order from a "developed country"?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes call it Marvin :)
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes In USD they're anywhere from 50 to 80 USD, Retail.
 
2:38 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes sh-uckage-ipping
 
cough. edited
 
but I've asked my Embedded tutor and he said our uni will order Galileos
so if will be able to I'll ask for one
if not I will buy one on Employee Purchase Program at work :P
 
user3010322
@BartekBanachewicz I was going to try building out of a Atmega 2560 and plug all the stuff I need into a decent project breadboard (so I don't have to sodder anything manually). In the end it was so complicated I jumped ship and now I'm just prototyping with Arduino. =/
 
@ThePhD I thought ATmega is everything but complicated.
 
2:40 PM
> Apparently, the best conversation he'd had was over 40 million years ago, and that was with a coffee machine.
 
user3010322
Nothing's simple in the embedded electric world. <_>
 
@ThePhD meh, not really.
 
It doesn't make much sense, but it was the quickest way to reference THGTTG
 
try analog circuits if you think digital ones are hard
 
user3010322
Also ordering is a nightmare.
 
user3010322
2:40 PM
Getting just ONE microprocessing unit is some kind of taboo.
 
Marvin is two and half times the age of the universe, IIRC.
 
user3010322
Have to order them in bulk, from china.
 
user3010322
I don't want 100 MCUs. :c
 
I can basically get into a store here and ask for one CPU
and pay like 2 bucks for it
 
user3010322
2:41 PM
You're lucky. I haven't found a store nearby that can do that for me.
 
maybe poland isn't so 3rd world after all
 
According to the curlpp examples, this is the sane way to parse your cookies: paste.ubuntu.com/6494323
 
user3010322
It's all that pre-packed Arduino or MakeKit or w/e stuff.
 
user3010322
Then again, I don't have a car and live in teh ghetto. They don't have high intellectual expectations of me here. <_>
 
Just buy an rPi then
or, even better, wait for Galileo
 
user3010322
2:43 PM
The only thing I need now is Resistor, Capacitor, and Inductor kits
 
user3010322
After that, I'll jack a Voltmeter from MIT.
 
are you building a radio?
 
user3010322
An automatic door unlocker.
 
wouldn't one electromagnet driven straight from GPIO do the trick?
 
user3010322
2:44 PM
No, because I have to physically turn the inside handle(s).
 
electromagnets are used to move things FYI
 
user3010322
This is meant to be easily attached / unattached from the door.
 
user3010322
I can't directly modify the door.
 
soooo? what will you use instead? a powered servomechanism?
 
user3010322
Yep.
 
user3010322
2:45 PM
Manually controlling a servo. I got a Futaba S3010 for my first testrun.
 
user3010322
I think it has enough torque, but I need to get my test circuit going and see how hard and snappy it can turn.
 
that should be in specs
and it's spelled "torque"
meh, I prefer electromagnets. They are virtually indestructible, cheaper and harder to break
 
user3010322
It is in the specs, but hell if I know what "90.3 oz-in (6.5 kg/cm)" means in terms of getting my stuff doorhandle to begin moving.
 
So consistent. I think I can easily name 10 things wrong in the following <10 LoC
 
@ThePhD 6.5kg on the 1cm-long arm
well if you don't happen to have a torque-measuring something laying around, you'll just have to try it out indeed
 
user3010322
2:48 PM
I tried to guess by using my hand and using weights on the door handle.
 
user3010322
Terribly inconsistent, for obvious reasons @___@
 
@ThePhD anyway did someone tell you already that using electronics to lock/unlock your door is kinda bad idea?
 
user3010322
Why so?
 
@ThePhD Yeah. For Derpstorm reasons!
@ThePhD You'll find out
 
@ThePhD because if you fuck up, which is basically bound to happen, and that's not really personal here, you'll either lock yourself out or let someone in
IOW consequences of fuckup are terrible
I wouldn't even try doing stuff like that just because I know I am not a professional in the field
and that requires far more than hobbyist knowledge to get right
so as far as that's for fun and one controlled try, it's alright
 
user3010322
2:51 PM
Uh. I'm not going to just attach it to the door until I'm sure it works. Besides, I'm designing so that it can be easily removed or placed on: it's NOT meant to latch onto the door and be stuck there for all eternity once it gets on.
 
@ThePhD I was talking specifically about "sure it works" part
also the second part is irrelevant if you'll be stuck outside with no key
or if someone manages to bypass it
 
JBL
@ThePhD If it fucks up just once, no matter how easy it can be removed, you're going to be annoyed...
 
user3010322
I'd never not carry my key around. This is a convenience measure, not the "well it works, great! Let me forsake all other forms of door opening and security!"
 
Very hard to arrange a test of what it does during an electrical storm
 
user3010322
If my house gets hit with Lightning then the door is the least of my problems <_>
 
2:53 PM
@ThePhD that still leaves "unauthorized access" issue hanging
if you have two locks, you can always lock one manually
but then the convenience factor is really not there, I suppose
 
user3010322
@BartekBanachewicz I plan to have an "off" button on the unlocker. That is, if you're inside the house and nobody's around, you turn it off.
 
user3010322
The other part is this mechanism isn't exposed to the outside.
 
JBL
@GlennTeitelbaum Don't test it. Assume it fails. Done ! Fastest test routine ever !
 
user3010322
It rests on the inside of the door inside the house. The only way to interface with it -- from the outside -- is when it's on and you have some kind of RFID Tag.
 
@ThePhD that's the risky part
and the obvious security flaw
 
user3010322
2:56 PM
Well yess, RFID isn't the greatest thing in the world. I haven't built that part yet, and it'll take a lot of work to make sure I'm not making something that can be walkin-walkout breakable.
 
no, it won't "take a lot of work"
It requires knowledge and experience you don't have.
Nor are able to obtain in a reasonable timeframe
GG no re.
 
user3010322
Shrug. I'm still willing to try.
 
Shrug I wouldn't accuse you of thinking reasonably.
W/e it's not my house that's going to be broken in eventually
let's talk about something else
like how Mantle is a piece of crap and will die soon enough
 
user3010322
Mantle?
 
JBL
@ThePhD What you could get of that is "Go on try, but ffs don't put it on your house's door".
 
2:58 PM
@ThePhD GPU API proposed by AMD
hypothetical alternative to OGL
which is supposingly faster
and in theory more powerful
 
@BartekBanachewicz 100K draw calls!
 

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