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12:00 AM
)) joke
 
Duly noted.
 
@sehe but I can't host it via GH pages, so I need to come up with another way...
 
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@thecoshman Yeah. So now, do you agree that you added that constraint later?
 
I mean delivering isn't crucial goal
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12:01 AM
@Grinya Nope it isn't. It all depends. On the goals, mainly. Have a good night
 
@sehe Did not. Original message mentioned GitHub already.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "GH" != "GH pages download"
Storing a file on GH usually implies just putting it in a repo.
 
Same for GitHub pages.
 
Goal is pretty life and good mood.
 
@sehe no. You offered a solution to a problem you did not fully understand.
 
12:03 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wait. Are you being dense with me? I don't usually assume a person needs a file available for public download on GH pages if all he mentions is "I want to store it on GH"
 
@sehe There is no difference. GitHub Pages sites are just repos with a specially named branch/repo.
 
Hello, Lounge!
 
Ell
You guys need to cool if and watch some mighty boosh
nah.
but the mighty boosh is awesome though
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The goal is a difference. Since when did you no longer care about semantics? If you apply a std::string for storing UTF8 text, surely it has different requirements than if you use it to store a MPEG stream.
 
@sehe How is it a difference?
 
12:05 AM
@ThePhD yeah, "You have been automatically subscribed to ThePhD/Furrovine" :D
 
Ell
Different goal
 
The simple demonstration that you can "indirectly" store large binaries in a GH repo, but not "integrally" (like as a GH page) quite dramatically shows the difference.
 
Ell
I'm on sehes side
 
user3010322
@melak47 Yay. :D
 
Ell
not that that is a noteworthy statement
 
user3010322
12:06 AM
On the dark side: @DeadMG it turns out missing the first few messages (NCCalcSize and those, before WM_CREATE) is a REALLY HUGE DEAL.
 
Anyways. What do I care
 
user3010322
It means you can't properly create a Borderless Window.
 
Compilers are semantic nazis! Wouldn't let you pass unless your semantic is absolutely correct!
 
@ThePhD wut. I have no trouble creating a borderless window
 
Ell
@thephd why do you miss some messages?
 
12:06 AM
@Pawnguy7 Hmm, are you there?
 
if everything stays the same but opengl draws something different each time I run my program , does that imply UB ?
 
@Jefffrey yes
Also.
If I have an unordered_map
 
@Pawnguy7 How do you handle different type of items in your snake?
 
user3010322
@melak47 Your WndProc is static and all windows go through it. My WndProc is a local overridable function, not directly connected to my SWndProc.
 
@Ell they don't get the this pointer to the window class instance in the user data
 
12:07 AM
How can I check if the values contain something?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes And the added assumption that files will be downloaded retrieved using a browser, rather than with a git client. Quite a conspicuous distinction.
 
@Jefffrey items?
 
Ell
@jefffrey and @pawnguy7 are a cute couple :')
 
lol
 
@ThePhD so? I'm not doing anything in my static WndProc if it doesn't have a this ptr
 
12:08 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes @sehe is right, his suggestion based only on the knowledge I wanted to store a large file on GH was sound. Just he lacked the knowledge I wanted to host it via GHpages, thus meaning I need a different solution
 
@Pawnguy7 Like apples and shit.
 
user3010322
@melak47 ... Wait
 
@Jefffrey as in, different kinds of food?
 
@thecoshman And I'm sorry I don't have a solution to that. But I'm sure you'll find one (you're a pirate!)
 
@Pawnguy7 yeah
 
user3010322
12:08 AM
How the hell ARE you getting NCCALCSIZE?
 
@Jefffrey does it have the same behavior?
 
our two wndprocs are basically identical, only you call an actual member function in your class, I do everything in the static one on the pointer to the instance :p
 
@Pawnguy7 Oh wait. You don't have that.
 
user3010322
NCCALCSIZE comes before CreateWindow even exits.
 
@thecoshman And thx for the reprieve. I thought I was getting crazy for a bit. Now I'm realyl going to bed
 
12:09 AM
@Jefffrey bingo. But if they differ only by drawing...
 
@ThePhD it gets sent again, later :p
 
@Pawnguy7 Nevermind then :)
 
Is your problem, you want different images for the same thing, more or less?
 
@Pawnguy7 More or less, but I guess I could just use different views.
 
Ell
To teach is a wonderful feeling
 
12:10 AM
@sehe 'sorry' is an odd choice of words, you offered help, it didn't help, vOv I still say thanks for trying
@sehe sleep tight
and when the fuck did midnight happen?
 
@ThePhD I found that making it properly borderless with the aero crap intact requires showing the window anyway, so I can't create a window borderless. all I can do is create a window, and make it borderless before showing it to the user
 
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@melak47 I'm walking through all the window messages, I ain't getting it.
 
@Jefffrey Like. In my island generator, I can set a tree to say, PALM_TREE, but it displays different visually. Is this what you want?
 
@Pawnguy7 Yeah, it was a trivial question, I found out myself.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Mmm. bad analogy, probably. Anyways, context does matter. And intended application does alter the constraints for a system's design. (I'm pretty sure a minor % of GH repos are intended to be served as GH pages, but I'm not inclined to prove my suspicions at this time :))
 
12:11 AM
@ThePhD take a look at my borderlesswindow repo on github, that defaults to a borderless window, check what I did there (I don't remember :D)
 
@thecoshman About 1:11:11 ago
 
@Jefffrey I guess you can just store it, come to think of it. Come up with it at random.
 
user3010322
I am looking at it. :c
 
Otherwise, do it based on position, but they might notice.
I would do that, but the concept does not translate to colored squares.
 
@ThePhD brb, have to reboot
 
12:12 AM
@sehe oh you and your silly time, it was only ten minutes ago. You need to take more care with this help ting, twice in a row you have failed :P
 
Ell
Does windows have a concept of a fullscreen window?
 
@thecoshman Keep at it :) I liked my time-duration better
 
Ell
Or do you create a window a little bigger than the desktop size?
 
@Ell directx yes, not opengl or gdi. There is something like full-screen exclusive mode in directx but in things like OpenGL you set the width etc to the fullscreen size and then change the z order to set your window ontop
 
@sehe o_0
 
12:14 AM
@ThePhD back :)
 
Ell
I feel like they are a bad idea anyway. just gives a chance for alt tab breakage
 
@Mikhail false. opengl just has the notion of context, it is up to the window manage, Windows, to make that context true full screen or full screen borderless window
 
Sigh.
maps in C# were so much more user friendly :\
 
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@melak47 Hm. I'm still looking it over.
 
@ThePhD see in my window constructor, I do show() before toggle_borderless()
 
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12:16 AM
@melak47 Yeah, and in toggle_borderless there's another show()
 
after the SetWindowPos
 
It's show() time!
 
though maybe I could get rid of that by specifying SWP_SHOW in the flags to SetWindowPos...
idk
 
user3010322
But you already called Show()
 
user3010322
Why do you call it again in toggle_borderless
 
12:18 AM
Goodness that is slow.
 
user3010322
(I'm looking specifically at the flow from hte constructor)
 
@ThePhD because after changing that style crap and stuff, if I don't cal show, the window is visible but you can click through it :E
 
user3010322
Oh.
 
and it has to be visible beforehand or the style change crap doesn't work in the first place :(
 
user3010322
....
 
user3010322
12:19 AM
Well, that explains a lot then.
 
user3010322
The fuck, windows. =/
 
user1804599
I’m solving these in F#. :)
 
@ThePhD on the upside, you can't tell just from looking at the window :p
 
> Find the last box of a list.
What a "box" in this context?
 
@ThePhD all this crap is only necessary if you want a window with aero crap though
 
user3010322
12:21 AM
@melak47 I want a window with aero crap and borderless and shit.
 
i.e. the shadow, taskbar preview, docking to the sides of the screen, maximize animation
 
user3010322
How do you get maximize animation?
 
user3010322
Right now I'm using AnimateWindow( ... )
 
by being a proper aero window, and having a maximize button
 
mutton...
 
user3010322
12:22 AM
Hm.
 
now I'm craving a pita
or gyro, rather
 
@ThePhD I don't know if maximizing the window from code will give you the animation or not....and I haven't installed VS yet so I can't try :D
 
user3010322
Wiped your computer?
 
yeah. windows decided to delete random .exe files when I told it to delete 24GB of temp files from C yesterday...
rather than try and fix that mess, I nuked it
 
user3010322
Just delete temp manually next time and then restart your computer.
 
user3010322
12:25 AM
Save yourself the issues.
 
yeah..
 
Ell
Night all!
 
hmm....I need a project to work on. None of my current ones really grab my attention.
 
user3010322
Snake. :3
 
@Code-Guru combine snake and conway's game of life and make it 3D
 
12:35 AM
lol
What's with the snake fetish these days?
 
Yay! More snake!
 
@MartinJames how is yours going?
 
although, that does remind me, I've been thinking about making a 3D pacman game
 
@Pawnguy7 I haven't worked on it today 'cos beer and poker at club. I'll try and fix my disintegrating snake tomorrow.
 
Dooo it.
@MartinJames I see. In the meantime, I (seem to have) implemented A*.
It is slow :(
 
12:39 AM
Slow? I'm using bog-standard GUI components - can't get much slower. Luckily, snake is not hugely graphics-performance sensitive.
 
Why is it a good idea to separate data from its graphical representation again?
 
Cool part about this is, though.
You see the snakes speed up as they get closer to the food :D
(or rather, are less slow)
 
@Jefffrey Look - it's a hobby project to distract me from my other shit.
I'm not gonna use some graphics lib and threading off the stuff for a fun project:)
 
@MartinJames Good, but... my question was random, not directed to your message :)
 
@Jefffrey Oh... OK:)
 
12:44 AM
I mean, cool. If you separate data from the graphical representation you have that for example a snake is not dependent on the lower level graphic API. That's good. But then you introduce another class that holds the graphical data of the snake, and what you get? Synchronization problems (between the data and the graphical representation).
How many times are you going to change the API in respect to how many times you would like to have data and graphical state updated together?
 
Code.
 
@Jefffrey The consensus is that you get overly complex code. A snake game is not a good example, its state is a simple vector<point> or similar. Most apps have a more intricate and interdependent state.
 
Y U NO WORK.
Well, this sucks.
 
user1804599
This is nice. :) ideone.com/SWWpyD
 
#F, zoid's new girlfriend
 
user1804599
12:55 AM
I want to rewrite this in Java and compare the results.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Makes sense, I guess.
@rightfold, how is it going with your chica?
 
@ThePhD so, any closer to getting borderless to work? :)
 
user3010322
@melak47 Working at it slowly.
 
user3010322
Also added a WindowDescription so I could more easily construct windows with the parameters I want, so I can do thorough analysis.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey What is a chica?
 
user1804599
I have no chica. vOv
 
i was promised john carmack
 
@rightfold Haven't you had one, like, 2 months ago?
 
@Mikhail It was a tarp.
 
user1804599
Rubyists have two modes: - Writing Ruby - Turning other languages into Ruby
 
user1804599
1:03 AM
lol
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey Nope.
 
Oct 25 at 23:14, by not-rightfold
I’m having a conversation with a non-mother female for the first time since a few months.
Oh, I was mistaken.
 
@ThePhD noooo, now you're making WINAPI like DESC structs, too? :E
 
But you @rightfold were fucking happy back then. You should have married the girl.
 
shalalalalalala my oh my
kiss de girl
 
1:09 AM
Checks stack trace of recursive functions.
VS crashes.
 
user3010322
1:21 AM
@melak47 A lot of them, actually.
 
user3010322
They're proving insanely useful, believe it or not.
 
Hi
Man. Unity is popular.
 
Yes it is
 
@Rapptz Now you notice? xD
 
No I knew it was.
I just don't get why it is.
 
1:32 AM
It probably does A* properly.
... unlike me.
 
It is also probably easy to prototype and develop games in Unity
 
1:55 AM
morning
 
evening/morning
 
@DeadMG I was waiting for you... >:D
 
@BartoszKP Technically, it is actually morning here - about 2am.
 
@DeadMG here too, but I'm always confused - until I go to sleep I feel like it's still evening
 
@Pawnguy7 Why does this not surprise me.
 
1:57 AM
@DeadMG because I was trying to implement A*
 
public class bin implements you.
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