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9:00 AM
Is there even a concrete description of what's going to be in SC, or is it all just "it's by that guy who made Wing Commander and uh it's in space"
 
@BartoszKP just make it n>= 0, then everyday is friday !
 
You've just given the description
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't follow :/
 
I try to not think about the weekend until it actually arrives. That makes it like a surprise.
 
In computer programming, SOLID (Single responsibility, Open-closed, Liskov substitution, Interface segregation and Dependency inversion) is a mnemonic acronym introduced by Michael Feathers for the "first five principles" identified by Robert C. Martin in the early 2000s that stands for five basic principles of object-oriented programming and design. The principles when applied together intend to make it more likely that a programmer will create a system that is easy to maintain and extend over time. Overview {| class="wikitable" style="width: auto; font-size: 95%; table-layout: fixed; l...
 
9:01 AM
ugh
 
@CatPlusPlus afaik that's pretty much it
 
@CatPlusPlus I remember reading some articles about prerelease information - it was known that there will be 3 different races etc.
 
but I won't rule out that there was some information in the endless stream of near-daily newsletter/spam emails I got from him until I unsubscribed
 
@BartoszKP WOAH 3 RACES
I must buy this
 
@A.H. *like friday :)
 
9:01 AM
@CatPlusPlus OMG StarCraft clone!
 
EVE clone with one less race!
 
It's even abbreviated SC. Total ripoff
 
@CatPlusPlus The emphasis was on different unlike other rtses then
 
Uh it's... not an RTS?
 
The orgs the elbs and the zerch.
 
9:03 AM
@CatPlusPlus not sure, not the point anyway
 
@CatPlusPlus with the amount of money he's pulling in, he certainly has the funds to make it an RTS in addition to everything else :p
 
> Star Citizen is an upcoming space trading and combat simulator video game for Microsoft Windows. Star Citizen will consist of two main elements: a persistent world massively multiplayer online game mixing elements of first person space combat and interstellar trade (known as Star Citizen) and a branching single-player and drop-in co-operative multiplayer[6] campaign (known as Squadron 42), together with customizable private server components. The game will feature Oculus Rift support.
Star Citizen blah blah blah generic stuff blah blah blah generic stuff blah blah Oculus Rift
Is what I'm getting out of this
And a weird overcomplicated architecture maybe
 
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@CatPlusPlus I like how S, O and I are not specific to OOP. :)
 
all right, I'm curious, how is star craft not a RTS? :|
 
@CatPlusPlus Star Citizen generic Oculus Rift.
 
9:05 AM
Star Citizen not Starcraft
Pay attention
 
I'm not paying you for attention
4
 
I should create a game called Planetcraft or something.
 
Mineplanet
 
Turdcraft
would be shitty
 
9:05 AM
@CatPlusPlus lol, I read "Was there" instead of "Is there" in your previous message
 
crap craft
 
I want to go back to bed
 
@CatPlusPlus That much money and not even a Linux/Mac OS port?
 
@Rapptz Programming is hard
Better buy cars
 
@Rapptz The game uses CryEngine, so part of the problem might not even be their fault
 
9:07 AM
I spent half a day looking at cars ... need a new one to replace my scrapped car.
 
@melak47 when you depend on abstractions, you don't depend on implementation details - decoupling is good. flexibility is good, ease in testing is good + read the "solid" link from Cat ;0
 
Of course it's their fault
They picked the engine
> Star Citizen will continue to develop after commercial release via a combination of emergent gameplay generated by players and new content which will be developed by Cloud Imperium Games on an ongoing basis. Players will also have the ability to command "persistent" ships and stations that will remain in the game even if they log out. Select "lawless planets" will feature ground based combat using infantry style weapons. Personal armaments can also be used to board disabled ships and stations.
 
JBL
Is there even a "commercial-grade" engine working on Linux/OSX ?
 
You will be able to do EVERYTHING
Unreal Engine
Unity
 
user1804599
Ugh PHP y u no curried constructors.
 
9:08 AM
Y U PHP???
 
But seriously look at dat scope creep
 
user1804599
array_map(function($x) { return new T($x); }, $xs); is so ugly.
 
This will surely not be extremely disappointing for people who are waiting for it!
 
@BartoszKP if there's one interface and one implementation, if I use the concrete implementation...am I not depending on the interface it implements? :p
 
And "Final Release (estimated early 2015)" ahaha
@melak47 No
 
9:09 AM
@melak47 ...on the interface & on the implementation details. you don't want the latter
 
It's strong coupling
 
but the implementation can't break the interface's contract
 
That's not the point
 
The coupling trained very hard in order to become strong.
 
huh? SO offline?
 
9:11 AM
Hurray SO is dead
 
long live chat.SO
 
@StackedCrooked It had an epic training montage.
 
yeah, today at 2am it went offline also
@melak47 implementation contains more details than the interface. you want to depend on as less as possible
 
They are troubleshooting SQL performance issues according to stackstatus.net.
 
user1804599
Ugh luxaflex.
 
user1804599
9:12 AM
Today is not my favourite day.
 
@BartoszKP since the implementation isn't documented, I'll be depending on the interface anyway ._.
 
@melak47 since its not documented you don't know what you will depend on. The simplest, basic, kindergarden example: imagine another implementation will be created and you'll want to switch to it - lots of work. Imagine you want to mock it for testing - (almost) impossible. Imagine you'll want to use a decorator or wrapper patterns for it, to add some custom behavior for example etc.
 
Does VS support noexcept?
 
> BooleanMacro.h:1:19: error: use of undeclared identifier 'MACRO'
#define MACRO true
^
@Rapptz Unconditional is in 2013 CTP I think.
 
lol
I have a tab open with a "C++ sucks" issue on github.
great use of issue tracker
 
9:18 AM
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Look at John Carmack. LOOK AT HIM. [c++] [c++11] [c++1y] [no-monday] [no-questions]
 
I planned to go to uni and to my workplace today. Instead I'm drinking whisky and sitting in chat <good job bartek> ;0
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@TonyTheLion since is missing are tricks allowed now?
 
@BartoszKP That's always a better idea
 
:DDDDD
 
Xeo
> C is so beautiful and pure I love it. I despise C++ on the other hand for some reason!
 
9:21 AM
> C is so beautiful
 
JBL
Uh oh...
 
Some people are insane
 
;0
 
JBL
This is not legit insanity though.
 
their definition of beauty must be ugly
on friday I've spent 4 hours trying to install&use any unit-testing library for Obj-C on Windows. I ended up writing implementation of scanning for test methods myself through simple reflection in 1 hour ;|
 
9:25 AM
it works! I parsed a macro, cocksuckers.
 
i'm in the middle of an iostreams crisis. I've been using printf for a day and love it :(
 
you suck.
 
i know, i really feel bad about it, but.. i just love it
my mind says no but my heart says go for it!
 
C is so inconvenient.
5
 
@gnzlbg what about this? not sure whether it's obsolete now, still better than printf though
 
9:29 AM
i know about boost format, but printf just works
why bother
life is so meaningless
 
@gnzlbg You can write your own basic printf
 
Fuck printf
 
woops
 
Inflexible, unextensible, type unsafe C shit
 
@gnzlbg yeah but you know, some people say also that PHP and Java "just work"
 
9:30 AM
Assuming you're not using the formatting properties of printf you can make a decent noob printf
 
Like everything in libc, it's broken and useless
 
turns out that I accidentally eliminated the ability to compare a 32bit signed integer and a 64bit one.
 
it's type checked
 
I should write a test for that some day.
 
No, it's not
 
9:30 AM
how is it typechecked?
 
how?;0
 
any decent compiler checks the types
with magic
maaaaaagic everywhere
 
printf("%s", 10); // no errors
 
enable -Wformat-... warnings and -Werror
 
user1804599
-std=c11 -Wall -Wextra -Werror -pedantic, noob.
 
9:31 AM
-Werror is cheating
:(
 
no its not
:(
 
it is
 
at least your agree that it's sad
 
of course its fucking sad
 
9:32 AM
Unreliable
 
user1804599
I wonder how printf works in F#. :v
 
writing your own basic printf takes maybe 15 lines of code
 
the main argument vs printf is that its not type checked
 
Fuck libc forever
 
but then its fucking fast
 
9:32 AM
@gnzlbg Also that the syntax is hideous.
 
No, it's also not extensible and shitty
 
and you dont have to include iostreams
 
also that it's completely non-extensible.
 
yep
but
 
also that it doesn't support the most useful features, like positional argument.
 
9:33 AM
@Rapptz finding ready implementation of std::string::format is 30 secs :P
 
Also you don't get the ~~~typecheck~~~~ if format string is not known at compile time
So good job on that!
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
 
for basic formating is enough, if you want more you can format in a std::string and then pipe to printf
 
that's horrible
 
9:33 AM
yes
 
don't do that
 
why am I like this?
 
Xeo
@gnzlbg How do you format in a std::string?
 
You're very good at programming
:thumbsup:
 
@Xeo I just concatenate strings and count white space in a for loop
 
9:34 AM
EPIC FORMATTING
 
everything just feels so wrong
 
Xeo
uh what
 
or use std::string(10, ' ')
 
Xeo
Also, how do you get the strings in the first place from the variables?
 
9:35 AM
@Rapptz I'd separate concerns of formatting and printing - that's another way in which printf sucks
 
user1804599
DongML
 
the only formatting that does is positional arguments
if that even counts
 
@Xeo for the kind of very basic stuff I wanted it just works
 
Xeo
excuses
 
@gnzlbg you'll end up tweaking with it for not-very-basic stuff, you'll see ;0
 
9:37 AM
i just needed output in an ASSERT macro that is used everywhere and don't wanted to force my users to include <iostreams> github.com/gnzlbg/scattered/blob/master/scattered/detail/…
 
@BartoszKP wtf?
 
so i went with printf, and i liked it, and it felt wrong
 
@ArneMertz so very astonishing!
 
could have at least done fprintf(stderr, ...) :|
 
user1804599
Use <cassert>. vOv
 
9:39 AM
I don't get the point of your assert macro
 
@Rapptz yes, could have,
@rightfold I use it :/
 
it does something if NDEBUG is defined :|
 
no
 
I had a library that did that and it made me annoyed
 
the if is always false
 
9:40 AM
the if shouldn't be there
 
it does nothing if NDEBUG is defined
then you get warnings
like unused variables for things that get used inside asserts
the whole point is to check the code inside the assert even if NDEBUG is not defined, but then it compiles to nothing
 
Xeo
(void)(condition);
 
if I were to do something stupid
 
it's compiling to an if statement
 
like ((unsigned int)-11)
 
9:41 AM
if(false) { ... }
@DeadMG that is big
 
that would still be an ICE, right?
 
@DeadMG no?
 
@Rapptz if(false) { }
 
@Rapptz Casts aren't legal in ICEs?
 
oh wrong ICE.
Stupid initialism.
 
9:42 AM
heh
 
> Industries advance through specialization. As an STL maintainer, I eat angle brackets and drink compiler errors for a living, and I need to understand how move() works at the subatomic level. Yet I don't need to understand how any of my other tools work, especially the ones that are far away (e.g. I need to know more about the compiler front-end than the back-end). LOL
 
the compiler is forced to verify everything inside the if (e.g. syntax errors), but then you are in NDEBUG, so with O1 it is already removed
 
assert does nothing with -O0 :v
 
Xeo
@DeadMG ya
 
@Rapptz yes it does
@Rapptz assert does nothing with -DNDEBUG
 
user1804599
9:43 AM
@FredOverflow LOL
 
Try jumping
 
You already got told to go away once; take the hint, please.
because we are not a helpdesk and don't have any intention of helping you.
 
user1804599
> take the hint, please
> Why?
 
user1804599
lol
 
Thank you. That was help itself. :)
 
9:46 AM
@Rapptz thanks for the fprintf(stderr tip :)
 
You're disrupting our pointlessness and we can't have that
 
I should bin my 15-star message and pin it in the bin.
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: You're disrupting our pointlessness and we can't have that. [c++] [c++11] [c++1y] [no-monday] [no-questions]
 
welp looks like I'mma get flagged out of the chat again
counterflags plix?
 
Xeo
What do you pay? :P
 
9:49 AM
Idiots everywhere
 
Welcome to Monday
 
@DeadMG how do you counterflag? ;0
 
can't without 10k
 
room mode changed to Gallery: anyone may enter, but only approved users can talk
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: FREE PUPPY [c++] [c++11] [c++1y] [no-monday] [no-questions]
 
Xeo
oi
 
9:51 AM
@DeadMG I think everyone in the room (including me) counterflagged. But everyone outside is validating.
 
wth was that
 
lol, so much powerful
 
No new idiots until puppy is free!
 
@TonyTheLion Welcome to any n>0 days till Friday day
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus Only old idiots! :D
 
9:53 AM
Maybe it'll expire
 
gonna answer some questions, fuck, i wanna be able to counterflag too ;\
 
Who are gnzlbg and BartoszKP?
 
BartozsXP is Bartek's twin sister
 
We need to bribe more mods
 
@FredOverflow I'm me, not sure about the other one though
 
9:55 AM
Flagging is so bad
 
i guess I'm me too
 
Goddammit... puppy got kicked.
 
Xeo
room mode changed to Public: anyone may enter and talk
Fuck gallery mode when we have no troll to deal with
 
stop making chat refresh! :p
 
chat didn't refresh for me :(
 
user1804599
9:57 AM
Should we add NVI to loungecpp.wikidot.com/acronyms?
 
Can you bin messages when you're banned?
 
What we need is permanent gallery mode and userscript to get rid of user prompts
 
@DeadMG Try to bin this message.
 
user1804599
Binbot.
 
@Xeo no trolls - no fun
 
9:58 AM
Guess not... :(
 

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