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Xeo
12:00 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Uh, don't you mean "== has a higher precedence than &"? Also, your "equivalent code" is backwards.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am required to by the Stack Overflow licence.
@Xeo I guess I mean "== has a lower precedence than %"
@Xeo Oh yes, I see: the & was broken, not % hehe
thanks
 
Xeo
@Bartek: This is something for you: stackoverflow.com/q/19634062/500104
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Exactly
Also you can get a bunch of data from a run with std::cout, but since assert terminates you have to do things step-by-step, which is boring
 
user1804599
> memorably named user103260
 
Xeo
assert doesn't have to terminate
 
user1804599
12:07 PM
:DDDDDDDDDDD
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit But with std::cout you have to verify things step-by-step
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah but I don't have to edit and rebuild every time
i.e. I can verify a few things at once occasionally
and yeah, I like to do it by examining output rather than trial-and-erroring to obtain a passed assertion
 
Xeo
> since my g++ version is 3.4.5
poor sod
 
What I don't like about std::cout is that it doesn't always provide programmer-friendly output.
(I might be jaded by my experience in ogonek)
@Xeo When are you next in Berlin? I could set up something with some people.
 
Xeo
The plan is sometime around Christmas
 
12:12 PM
@nightcracker Horse? You're not much of a chess player, then
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes speaking of ogonek, since VS2013 is RTM now.... :)
 
Ah. I think I'll be in Paris by Christmas
@melak fucking annoying that it doesn't have move ctor generators but I'll give it a try
 
thanks will take care in future.Help appreciated, everyone! :)@james % has logn complexity while & is maddeningly fast when it has to be used several times.Thats the reason i have used it over here. — user103260 49 mins ago
lol
actually my example might be a bit shit
 
@sehe We call the knight "paard" in dutch, which translates to horse
 
user1804599
I want a dating site with solely a command-line interface.
 
12:23 PM
@rightfold hookers have a very user friendly UI
 
user1804599
@sehe paard, noob.
 
user1804599
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it is a hyperlink.
 
@rightfold You have a promising career ahead of you.
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Optimizations, nub
 
12:25 PM
hullo
 
Xeo
hi
 
@Xeo No, I mean, why aren't there more optimisations? I'd have expected identical assembly.
Doesn't help that I can't read the fucker
 
Xeo
-O3 is what I meant
You're not having it
 
Oh
(I wish Coliru showed the command on a Share)
@StackedCrooked
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit set -x;
 
12:28 PM
By default
Though, okay, I was wondering what that was there for
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Wait, I just did that and got identical assembly
 
Xeo
Maybe because the compiler computed the result at compile-time :D
 
From rand()?
 
Xeo
no, without the rand()
 
12:31 PM
Then you didn't "just do that" :(
Anyway, that was my initial mistake too when I wrote a comment berating the OP's micro-optimisation
Now I still want to berate it but it looks like he's right
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Still? Or is there a more recent thing?
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Still
 
OK, I am officially procrastinating.
 
Glacial place when it comes to language features then, no?
 
I have spent about half a day tweaking my .emacs file.
 
12:34 PM
@wilx I'm trying to pick a colorscheme for the day.
 
lol
 
Xeo
@LucDanton they bettered in 2013, but that's one of the very nice things still missing
 
I have settled for Green Kinksajz theme.
 
Glacial place? kik
 
Xeo
ALGHALGÖAUGHÖAGHÄ /cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
 
user1804599
12:41 PM
I like the umlauts.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You could do it like this.
 
meh. C++ could allow a syntax like T operator**(T, T) [[precedence(100)]];
 
Is the ability to make 'ready' futures useful for anything?
 
Xeo
return?
 
user1804599
@Abyx let’s make C++ even more fucking complicated!
 
12:45 PM
let's!
 
user1804599
let-bindings. :D
 
@rightfold as complicated as Haskell.
 
user1804599
The lack of let-bindings in C# (ignoring LINQ) requires me to use a compound statement and explicit return in lambdas. :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what, it still doesn't? I thought RTM was supposed to deliver those... :(
 
user1804599
@Abyx Haskell is relatively simple compared to C++. :v
 
12:46 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nice article.
 
Xeo
@Abyx The problem is that C++ allows you to overload operators
(Again, overloading is to blame. :3)
 
Operator overloading is nice. Not every single one, but some are cool.
 
@LucDanton if you want to wrap a value in a future without overhead?
 
Mo-mo-mo-mo-mor- se -ning.
 
@sehe In fact, I'm not so sure about the 'without overhead'. With less overhead, perhaps.
 
12:49 PM
@Jefffrey dinos can rap?
 
@wilx your employer has been notified
 
anyhoo
 
user1804599
My paw itches.
 
good evenin fellers
how ya all doin?
 
user1804599
If only it were evening.
 
12:50 PM
@sehe I guess you are talking about my wife here. It is a national holiday today.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Thinking of std::async(std::launch::deferred, [v]{ return v; }) as the other option?
 
@Jefffrey Thanks :)
 
@rightfold How are you today?
 
@LucDanton depending on it's used. I mean, lambdas can be zero overhead, depending on use
 
@GamesBrainiac That is not rap.
 
12:51 PM
@Xeo I'm not too concerned over that. It has more to do with providers (which std::async is, or attempted to be) than with futures.
 
Xeo
ah, yeah
 
@wilx Oh well i guess they will read it tomorrow
 
:D
 
@StackedCrooked Dunno, just feels a bit like I shouldn't have to. You show the code, you show the output... but the execution command is just as important. I can see why you'd be loath to add a feature that you can already opt-in to (and therefore making it automatic would be to require that we all use it at all times) but I feel it's just confusing to not show it at all times. I mean, why would you ever not?!
 
user1804599
@GamesBrainiac I woke up, opened up Stack Overflow and was immediately annoyed by the lack of quality in . Besides that, relatively fine; weekend was boring.
 
12:52 PM
@rightfold Ahh, that sounds like a regular day for you :P
 
The irony of rightfold entering and then being annoyed by the quality of it
6
 
user1804599
I don’t see the irony.
 
@rightfold Your seeing isnt' required :P
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's how it was originally
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Just wanted to ask, when do kids start programming in the UK?
 
user1804599
12:53 PM
I’m relatively good.
 
btw, are you guys getting lots of mavericks questions?
in ?
 
user1804599
rightfold’s theory of relativity: everything is relative.
 
user1804599
@GamesBrainiac no.
 
Python is filled with "This package wont work after I installed mavericks"
 
user1804599
@GamesBrainiac I only had an issue with readline.
 
12:54 PM
@GamesBrainiac hehe
@Xeo Yes, I enjoyed that
@GamesBrainiac I have no idea
 
@rightfold Honestly speaking, you're a helluva lot better than I am. I've learnt a lot from you FWIW.
 
Eh, the concepts look better now that I've spun off wait_for/wait_until into their own PollableFuture concept.
 
user1804599
Python was broken because it had a fix around a readline bug, but the readline bug was solved and Python segfaulted.
 
user1804599
I’m not slacking off; I’m chatting in Lounge<C++>.
 
k I'll do crazy stuff now
 
user1804599
12:56 PM
Antonymous.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton "Stand back - SCIENCE!"
 
user1804599
REGULAR EXPRESSIONS are SCIENCE?
 
@Xeo Short preview: I had a hard time finding a green thread library.
 
@rightfold Technically they're a part of automata theory
 
Yeah, SCIENCE BITCH
 
12:59 PM
yup ^(screw up the world)$
 
> Don't watch Breaking Bad? GO DIE IN A HOLE YOU FILTHY PIECE OF SCUM!!!
What have we done?
 
@rightfold oh, you mean "knight"?!
...
It happens. You'll have to live with it
 
user1804599
@sehe moet ik je een hengst geven?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit TIL that Lightness has a name blog
 
@rightfold Alleen als ik promoveer en ik daarvoor kies
@Abyx old. Tomalak had a blog long ago
 
user1804599
1:04 PM
@sehe Hoeveel softwarebedrijven zijn er ongeveer in Nederland?
 
Is that an interview question?
I SENSE A TRAP
 
user1804599
@sehe No.
 
user1804599
I just want to switch careers once I have €25000.
 
@rightfold Likely, about a dozen per medium city, about 50 larger firms, some 500 serious firms, and then 5000 scuff. I'm not counting lone wolfs
 
user1804599
@sehe hmm, that’s not many.
 
1:06 PM
@rightfold This is common sense applied to orders of magnitude. I could be horribly wrong
@ScottW Another favourite seems to be "dentists in new york"
 
user1804599
@ScottW “71156” “Wrong! It’s 71157! Not hired! Next!”
 
welcome
 
user1804599
Yum, croissant.
 
user1804599
Ham–cheese.
 
@ScottW like, "he has no clue, hire him!" ? ;-)
 
1:09 PM
lol, my answer is so much better, but I guess you can't compete with a legend :Y stackoverflow.com/questions/19635311/…
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit actually you don't need any test cases for that case. all you need is to enable compiler warnings.
 
@ScottW 25k what? monthly net income?
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
Former classmate got this as an assignment (sans the red stripes, of course).
 
user1804599
Full of spelling mistakes.
 
1:10 PM
@ScottW d'oh. my blindness...
 
@BartoszKP I've outranked Skeet on a number of questions, I think. Maybe, 5 (10?). Probably not even 5 :)
 
hm... but -Wparentheses really sucks in g++. it gives so many false alerts so I compile my code with -Wno-parentheses
 
user1804599
@ScottW non-webdev and because fuck webdev
 
@rightfold She forgot to strike "Bubbelsort" (it's not Champagne)
 
@sehe IIRC there is a DE query created that calculates your ratio against Jon Skeet :D
 
user1804599
1:12 PM
@sehe s/You/She/ but yeah lololol
 
@BartoszKP On questions you both answered?
 
@sehe yes
@sehe something like this one: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/141806/… but I think there was a better one
 
@Abyx I mean it's cool that it detects a&b == c but it also barks on a&b | c where precedence it perfectly clear
 
@rightfold The assignment sucks even without the spelling mistakes.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked true
 
1:14 PM
@BartoszKP haha I think the captcha is security by illusion (I entered only half, just because I failed to spot the google house-number type image too, and it just computed)
 
user1804599
They should instead learn about higher-order functions.
 
@rightfold maybe the idea was to teach that the content/meaning of information matters, not its form :P
 
user1804599
@ScottW I can’t find a job because I don’t have enough experience because I can’t find a job because I don’t have enough experience because I can’t find a job because I don’t have enough experience because I can’t find a job because I don’t have enough experience because I can’t find a job because I don’t have enough experience because I can’t find a job because I don’t have enough experience because GOTO 9.
 
@sehe yeah, sometimes I think I'm a computer, because I can't read some of these pictures, and yet it comes through
 
@rightfold Eh.
 
user1804599
1:16 PM
Eh?
 
user1804599
@ScottW What if they contact me?! Will I have to talk to them?!?! D:
 
@rightfold = "I understand your feelings".
 
@sehe that's the workings of recaptcha - you have to enter the word that is known already, the second word is only for a database of machine-unrecognizeable words.
 
@ArneMertz I'm sort of aware of that. They could flag it, though if you completely failed to even enter /anything/ for the 'unknown' part
@BartoszKP okay:
You win: "Was IEqualityComparer<T> introduced for the following reasons?", 2,1"
You win: "How can I randomly ordering an IEnumerable<>?",3,1
You win: "C# 4.0 Compiler Crash"",22,20
You win: "Parsing XElement",2,1
 
1:19 PM
@sehe Stop raping that message.
 
user1804599
I should train my sphincter.
 
@sehe nice :D the one before the last one in particular
 
user1804599
I want to spend my entire life making Nassi–Shneiderman diagrams and UML diagrams.
 
@rightfold Which one
@BartoszKP That is actually rather meh. I think I "won" because I was quicker (?)
 
user1804599
@sehe my ass.
 
1:21 PM
Oh. Totally. Your mom agrees each time she does your laundry :/
 
user1804599
lol
 
@sehe well, speed is an advantage, especially if the answer is ok
 
@BartoszKP I'm always the guy to compare mono too (eg stackoverflow.com/a/8011060/85371)
 
@sehe ".NET 3.5 on Win32 calls finalizer twice" :D:D:D
 
@BartoszKP ISTR think that was okay in that case (not clear on the specifics, would need to re-read the Q)
 
1:25 PM
@sehe two references there, so maybe yes. In first moment I understood it as a "better on the safe side" policy ; D
 
Yeah, it made me ... chuckle too
 
need to get back to work, laterz loungers! (not to be confused with loosers ;0)
 
user1804599
WTF YOUTUBE
 
user1804599
Why can’t I disable annotations anymore.
 
user1804599
Piece of shit.
 
1:31 PM
@rightfold You can. But I think not in those videos which do not have any
2
 
user1804599
Can’t do that here, yet it has one: youtube.com/watch?v=H8bDN5UIVyQ
 
You can, they just decided to put the option 2 steps away.
 
user1804599
@digvijay91 Can’t do that either.
 
@rightfold What are you on about? All of those words are spelt incorrectly.
 
@rightfold via the 'settings' icon
 
user1804599
1:32 PM
 
user1804599
:V
 
@rightfold Um, press the config button, then "Annotations: OFF"
idiot
 
@rightfold :O
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey lolwtf
 
1:33 PM
I am getting the same options as jeffrey
 
lol, "Going Under" @ 1.5x is fun
 
user1804599
lol
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Actually, YT are the idiots. I mean, why make it difficult? It's now an extra click, and the menu layout isn't fixed. EVERYONE EVER always wants those crappy captions disabled
 
@rightfold Where the fuck do you live? In 2012Land?
 
What I really want is to have them off by default
I don't think they warrant a quick on/off option as long as my preference can be recorded
 
user1804599
1:33 PM
Google changes all their UIs thrice each day.
 
Theoretically the Playback settings allow this, but they don't appear to do anything at all.
 
@sehe D'you know what else is one extra click? The resolution option. God dammnit YT!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "Always choose the best quality for my connection and player size" never worked for me
@Jefffrey yeah. ^ Adding insult to injury
 
Yep
Now that my connection kicks ass I always want HD. But no
 
user1804599
This is also terrible:
 
user1804599
1:35 PM
 
Me too. pretty much the only thing I watch is screen casts and presentations with slides. Very annoying to have to jump through hoops to get there
 
because tiles
 
Xeo
@rightfold Uh what
 
I press a button on my bookmarks bar to get to YouTube.
 
user1804599
@Xeo Less than a month ago there was just a bar with all links to most used Google features.
 
Xeo
1:37 PM
oh
 
I type "youtube" and press Ctrl+Enter.
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel that
 
user1804599
Now you first have to click a tiny button and then search for the YouTube icon in some weird grid.
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel and it takes me straight to my subscriptions
 
user1804599
Also what’s up with that new Google Chrome home page.
 
1:38 PM
But I guess any opportunity is good to nitpick.
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Belgium is terrible, just ask the lobster. [c++] [c++11] [c++1y] [no-questions]
 
user1804599
The point is that people are used to it and they suddenly change it for no apparent reason.
 
Xeo
@rightfold They do that all the time vOv
 
user1804599
Yes, and it’s terrible.
 
@rightfold I'm sure they have a reason.
 
user1804599
1:39 PM
It’s not apparent.
 
Meanwhile, somewhere else on the Internet...
"OMG they finally fixed those stupid bar with all links"
(bad grammar intended)
 
@rightfold To you.
 
Reminds me when they changed the Facebook profile design.
People where crying.
Then the dust settled and now nobody gives a shit.
I guess what I'm saying is that @not-rightfold is too mainstream.
 
Reminds me of when they changed the green of the accepted tick on SO. People still cry.
 
1:42 PM
And with that said, I need to go to work.
 
@EtiennedeMartel lol
 
Heh, February 2010: Clang successfully self-hosts
May, same year: Clang can build Boost
they've come a long way in the couple of years since then
 
Comes with not being GCC
 
@EtiennedeMartel To be fair, I still think Timeline sucks, as do most people I know. It's just that nobody moans about it any more because everybody's already heard the moans.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Of the username?
 

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