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2:00 AM
@Mysticial How would you do that? Like how would this data get "choosen" for processing?
 
@JamesDyson By the human programmer.
 
correct
 
@Mysticial My knowledge is very limited. I try to learn like this.
Would this make what is processing simple?
 
like everything else a CPU does
 
@DeadMG
@Im thinking in the parallel sense
 
2:02 AM
@JamesDyson Looks like we need to back up a few steps. Before you even try to touch on SIMD, you'll want to make sure you have a solid understanding of all basics of how a processor works and how it executes code.
Know how a primitive datatype in a high-level language like C or C++ relates to in a processor.
Then we can talk SIMD.
 
Made a room for your valuable teachins
 
I'm not gonna stick around since I'm busy. But I can point you to resources.
 
don't need a separate room
I often pass down my knowledge like a benevolent lord of smart
 
very well
well fire away
 
not right now
fantasizing about dodging bullets
 
2:07 AM
> Boustrophedon. Early Greek used a system called boustrophedon (literally, “ox-turning”). In boustrophedon writing, characters are arranged into horizontal lines, but the individual lines alternate between right to left and left to right, the way an ox goes back and forth when plowing a field, as shown in the fifth example. The letter images are mirrored in accordance with the direction of each individual line.
Oh god, they're mad.
They put this crap in Unicode.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Why not? it's not like they're running out of space.
 
@JamesDyson Learn some basic assembly language first. That's more than halfway there.
 
@DeadMG Directionality support is not a matter of space.
 
@Mysticial like..
 
hello
 
2:08 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes Man, I admire you for your ability to not shoot yourself in the face right now.
 
exuse
 
@EtiennedeMartel Why?
 
hi, i am learning php, and i want to ask a simple question?
 
@JamesDyson x86 assembly would be the most appropriate now.
 
Oh wait, I got that wrong. That one is not directly supported. You have to hack it manually with linebreaks and RTLOs.
 
2:09 AM
Why do we keep on getting sooooo many PHP questions?
 
because the php chatroom sucks
 
and we're any better?
 
@Mysticial Ok ill start today
 
If you ask PHP questions here, you'll soon learn the C++ chatroom sucks.
 
2:10 AM
ok
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Because you're playing with ICU.
 
@javawarrior PHP sucks. Why would it's chatroom be any better?
 
@DeadMG noooo
 
i just want to know how i can compare colors?
 
@DeadMG Seems like this property also applies to the chatroom itself!
 
2:10 AM
@javawarrior Don't give a shit.
 
@javawarrior You did not read the link I gave you, right?
 
@EtiennedeMartel I want to learn Unicode for realz, and that looked like a proper vehicle at first.
 
i was talking about c++ colors
 
brb @Mysticial @DeadMG :P thank btw
 
2:11 AM
@javawarrior It's about PHP or C++?
And C++ has no concept of "color".
 
We should start sending all those C++ question link-dumps to the PHP room. Just to see what happens.
 
@Mysticial They'll thank you. I've done it before.
 
@Mysticial We'd need ownership of the PHP room.
 
@DeadMG Not really, only write access (which you have).
 
oh ok
 
2:15 AM
@DeadMG Not the messages, just the people who come and drop links.
 
Hmm, Apple finally cut the "virus immunity" crap they used for marketing.
 
lol
 
@RMartinhoFernandes A while ago, searching "virus" on their website yielded a single result: "Windows".
 
This illusion that Macs are immune to malware is starting to crumble now, and it will crumble fast if Apple doesn't start taking security seriously.
 
2:30 AM
I'm back
In mobile
@mysticial teach meee
 
@JamesDyson A language can't be taught in a chatroom. Just go google for a good tutorial.
 
@oh no I didn't mean the language lol
 
Hello. Would this be the right chat for .htaccess?
 
WHY IN THE FUUUCK DO WE GET THESE KIND OF QUESTIONS?
(Sorry, had to get this out of my system)
 
2:39 AM
As made explicit in the top right, this is the chat for time travelling dinosaurs from the past.
 
Also, C++. And angle brackets.
 
Woah, fail.
 
this was the most populated one, so I thought i'd ask here what the best chat would be for help with .htaccess :)
 
Man, fuck markdown. I can't even do a little ASCII art.
 
I love dinos
 
2:40 AM
@KnocksX We're an incredibly hostile bunch.
We eat children.
 
@JamesDyson: Shame they aren't from the future
 
that's good. that means nothing has changed in internet chat for the past 20 years
 
@Junuxx But they could be... with Science!
 
@EtiennedeMartel I like to think that people are hostile towards us.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes You would be a misanthrope if you were human.
Actually, I think you can be a misanthrope even while being a robot.
 
2:43 AM
@EtiennedeMartel Any robot would.
You're all yahoos.
 
user868935
does anyone know when VS 2012 is suppose to be released?
 
@Etienne: misanthropoid?
 
Robots have the potential to be houyhnhnms.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I prefer the term "eccentric".
 
But that's not derogatory.
Also, not quite the same I think.
 
2:45 AM
When talking about me or my friends, I generally use the expression "fucké dans tête". And, yes, that's technically considered French where I live.
 
fucké, lol
 
I think that being somewhat messed up is an important trait for humans. Otherwise you're so boring. And unable to do great things.
 
2:59 AM
I laughed.
 
And I cried
 
Dead furries.
 
No its a sad attempt to make a film
 
You can never be sure. It might be an excellent attempt to make garbage.
 
I'm pretty sure the execs behind this don't give a fuck, they're too busy counting their money.
 
3:05 AM
Yeah
I like the Bourne series
Yeah I now officially have no friends except on here lol
The room died again?
 
The robot probably has to reboot or something.
 
Hah life!
Are you working on the game team
 
"Working" is a funky word.
 
Depends how you say it
So no?
 
3:14 AM
You have me confused
Yes you are or no your not bhah
 
I am on the team. But I'm not really "working", more like procrastinating.
 
Ah. Mistake finding? Or just constructed criticism
 
No, I'm technically supposed to write code... but I'm lazy.
 
Haha you should help me with my project
Silence
 
What makes you think I wouldn't be as lazy there?
 
3:24 AM
Cause
Hahah
 
hi..
 
ohai domagoj
 
Dear lord, save us.
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Q: C++ expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before '&' token

user1475081I got this error expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before'&'token when I did the operator oveloading. The errors occured in the last 8 lines of fixed.cpp I am not sure what I missed. Any help is appreciated. This is fixed.hpp #ifndef FIXED_HPP_ #define FIXED_HPP_...

Morning everyone, it's 5:37 am and my eyes hurt.
 
3:49 AM
Oh, yeah, @DeadMG. I has something, ch33seburg0rz, I hope everyone on the project is not dead. I've been taking over as much time as I can from my free time. kyrostat.com/magic.jpg
Functionality is there, I'm working on styling it a bit now.
Giving it a less procedural look
 
I like it
and don't worry, I've been keeping myself busy and thinking about shit
 
Few more hours to Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut! We get to see why the dog took a shit on the cat, rather than not having the dog shit on the cat in the first place... Erm, I mean... Second place.
A shitstorm is brewing.
 
4:04 AM
@user1317084 Hi, who are you?
 
1 message moved to bin
 
@DomagojPandža Woa. That looks nice.
 
@EtiennedeMartel le agreed
 
4:18 AM
You know what Kyro needs? A cheat/easter egg that replaces all the sound effects by mouth noises.
So the ships would really go all "pew pew pew".
 
lols
they can go into our whitebox
 
4:55 AM
Them script-kiddies got nothing on me. Even SO says I'm "leeeet":
user image
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@DeadMG Oh, in case you wondered about one of your answers getting downvoted for a few seconds, now you know why... :-)
 
@JerryCoffin hm?
 
@DeadMG I needed to lose three points for long enough to get a screen shot.
 
ok
 
@JerryCoffin and you just got them all back?
 
@Mysticial Sure -- at least if you do it quickly, you get the points back when you undo the downvotes.
 
4:58 AM
lol
My rep isn't gonna be near anything interesting for a while... :(
 
That screenie is made of win!
 
@Mysticial You're four points away from a palindrome! Being a kind and generous soul, I'll even contribute a downvote to help you get it. :-)
 
@JerryCoffin Um no... I rather keep it a multiple of 5. :)
I'll go for the palindromes after 50k. :)
 
@Mysticial Oh, all right, be that way then!
 
Though I have no idea how much longer I can keep up this divisible by 5 business. It's been like this since Marc.
And I just got upvoted a few times. :)
 
5:04 AM
@Mysticial Yeah -- have to work way too hard to get a palindrome now.
 
Lounge<C++> is a generous place, but indeed, you have some good answers - far from it being charity. =)
I have no idea why I'm listening to this.
 
@DomagojPandža He does have some good answers -- but the trick to keeping the multiple of 5 isn't good answers. It's avoiding down-votes, some of which seem completely unrelated to answer quality.
 
I've definitely serially upvoted a few regulars here. But spread out over multiple days so that it isn't rolled back.
The last downvote I had was March 15...
The downvoter downvoted all the answers.
And the 2nd last downvote was the day before that...
Granted, I haven't been answering much in the past 4 months...
 
I don't like to downvote answers, anyone who tries enough to write a paragraph of text to help someone will get a comment from me, it's far more constructive. But I will always mercilessly downvote any answer that has one line of text and maliciously draws away from the question at hand.
And even though a downvote isn't much, it messes up people's rep zen.
 
I don't mind being downvoted
it's gonna take a lot of downvotes to take out 60k rep
 
5:13 AM
@DomagojPandža I guess it all depends. I actually down-voted no fewer than three answers to one question recently -- all three of them basically saying that any change to any container invalidated all iterators. Maybe I was just in a bad mood, or maybe I'm just a pick bastard, but trying to pass that off as a fact really bothered me. I did comment on each, pointing to the problem, and re-checked several times to see if they'd fixed anything, in the hope of removing the down-votes when they did.
 
I think one part of avoiding downvotes is to avoid pissing people off. Which I try to do in both real life and online.
 
@DeadMG And as we discussed fairly recently, it's pretty easy to gain it back, too.
 
agreed
 
@Mysticial I guess I read The Gentle Art of Making Enemies once too often! It really as a good book, honest! Somewhat falsified, but terrifically entertaining.
 
Yup, adding a comment is important. However, I somehow lack the will to fight off schmucks who turn everything into a flame war. Selling something as a fact should be downvoted, but if it is a bit unclear, a friendly comment will do.
 
5:16 AM
@JerryCoffin never heard of that book. That's the "problem" with our generation. We don't read.
unless it's wikipedia
 
@DomagojPandža I spent decades on Usenet, and a years on Fidonet before that. I'm pretty close to immune to flaming.
 
Usually, when I see someone selling C as C++, I just link it down here and the armies of the Lounge led by DeadMG usually fire a few snide comment rounds at the perps involved. :D
 
and a few downvotes
 
@Mysticial That's too bad. It really is pretty good. Basically reprints of letters to the editor of a newspaper. The book is by Whistler (the guy who painted "Whistler's Mother", among others. Roughly half the letters are from him, the others from people trying to denigrate him (but mostly making themselves sound foolish). Some of his remarks are just awesome.
One guy wrote something about "it was a toss up whether I should become an artist or an auctioneer". Whistler's reply was something like: "He must have tossed up."
 
One of the problems with SO questions is that sometimes they're so bad, I cannot concentrate on finding the OP's problem because I see the whole damn code sample as a problem. I don't know how people can write such nightmarish code which looks ugly, behaves ugly and just - yuck.
 
5:23 AM
@DeadMG So you consider "into oblivion" as "a few"? (at least I hope such a thing gets voted into oblivion).
 
heh
I usually do my best to downvote into le oblivion
 
And answering just the "problem at hand" makes me feel like I'm validating the practices employed.
 
agree, that's why I can never do it
 
@DomagojPandža Yeah -- I usually try to address the problem at hand, then go into a (often much longer) diatribe about the other problems. Sometimes it's just not worth the bother though. Interestingly, I recently got a down-vote because I got caught up enough in the real problems, that I forgot to address the original question until later...
 
Now that I look back at some of my earlier answers, I don't get how I had the patience to deal with some of these cases.
lol, I also had a horrible accepted rate back then...
 
5:27 AM
Ah, doing a bit more looking, I've turned up a true Irony: a public domain copy of The Gentle Art of Making Enemies.
 
One of the entertaining things around answering questions, sometimes the OP thanks you for answering the question and forgets to tick it as an answer.
 
wow, a free book
 
Sometimes, they remember, but if it is one of those user2325234, you know he's not coming back. :D
 
@Mysticial It's sometimes amazing how the less effort you put into an answer, the better people like it.
 
@DomagojPandža It's a lot better now than it was 7 months ago. I think they started to doing reminders.
 
5:30 AM
@Mysticial That's not so unusual in itself, but in this case it's pretty funny. Whistler spent lots of time and effort keeping unauthorized editions of the book from being published (in fact, if memory serves it starts off with a short history of that).
 
@JerryCoffin That's probably because if you didn't put much effort into it, then it's short enough for the passerby to read, understand, and upvote within that 10 second attention span.
 
@Mysticial That probably helps.
 
Unless it is an interesting topic, then everyone reads it as if it is a part from a good book and pay in upvotes.
 
The only other option is to capture the reader's extended attention with an image or a catchy phrase.
Images are a huge one. Even if the reader doesn't understand it, it still attracts votes.
 
Images sell effort, it's love on first sight.
One of the things that irritates me a bit is that some guy edited my answer and removed the "Happy coding." at the end of an answer.
I like that human touch, politeness or something.
 
5:34 AM
That loop question is littered with graphs. I had a stupid OpenMP answer that got 40 votes because I included a screenshot of Task Manager showing 100% cpu. lol
 
Ahahah
 
But in general, it's hard to find a situation where an image is appropriate. For SO that is.
 
Speaking of image-related upvotes, I wrote up a big answer on multimonitor support with DirectX and added a photograph of my example running in fullscreen on two monitors rendering a teapot and a sphere with the classic lamb. lighting.
Instant upvotes.
 
Yep, that'll do it. :)
I have yet to see someone pull the sex-appeal card on SO though.
 
I think I'm going to harvest some rep in the future with nice illustrated answers.
Jesus, SO is like a children's book.
No pictures, no love.
 
5:39 AM
@DomagojPandža It's tough though. By the time you get any images ready, the question will have been sniped by other answers.
You basically have to do what the robot did...
215
A: Why does the use of `new` cause memory leaks in C++?

R. Martinho FernandesWhat is happening When you write T t; you're creating an object of type T with automatic storage duration. It will get cleaned up automatically when it goes out of scope. When you write new T() you're creating an object of type T with dynamic storage duration. It won't get cleaned up automatica...

THAT is how you attract upvotes...
 
Ahahah, I upvoted that a few days ago. :D
 
215 votes over 2522 views. That's one of the highest ratios I've ever seen.
 
I think I enjoy explaining memory management the most. And it's the best way to harvest rep, that's what bugs most people because they usually get spawned as programmers on various tutorial sites.
I am not really into having 10k+ rep, but somewhere around 5k would be a nice "Hey, I'm not a freeloader here."
I usually prefer just to sit in the Lounge or work.
 
just for a needless pimp, the latest version of my spec is up at www.wide-language.com
 
Oh, a respectable domain, m'lord!
 
5:45 AM
@DomagojPandža Here's a good example of an answer with memory diagrams:
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A: Why does the order of the loops affect performance when iterating over a 2D array?

Robert MartinAs others have said, the issue is the store to the memory location in the array: x[i][j]. Here's a bit of insight why: You have a 2-dimensional array, but memory in the computer is inherently 1-dimensional. So while you imagine your array like this: 0,0 | 0,1 | 0,2 | 0,3 ----+-----+-----+---- 1...

 
Wrote up an answer just like it yesterday, no pictures, just 4 upvotes. Hah!
People like anything visual.
Be it an actual image or some "textual art"
 
This one right?
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A: 2d Vector Initialization

Domagoj PandžaThe line itself should work and looks fine. But let me offer a bit more information. It is a good idea to try and make use of the standard library. With that said, you need to understand that the image of a 2D array you have in your head must exist linearly in memory. You can easily create an m*...

It's a big wall of text. Right now I have the patience to read it and upvote it if it's correct. But in general, walls of text are turn offs to readers.
 
Yup, that's the one. The guy did some nasty stuff with vectors, it's that mental picture people have in their head.
 
I saw that question, but didn't figure such a long answer was possible.
 
His solution is a direct consequence of seeing the classic image of 2D arrays / matrices
That needs to be elaborated to people early on in the learning process.
I am tired of fighting people who think arrays == pointers, that decaying into a pointer is just a figure of speech etc.
They need to see things a bit more indepth.
 
5:51 AM
@DomagojPandža I think in this case, the lack of up-votes may stem as much from containing a false implication: that the memory of a vector might not be contiguous (in fact, the standard requires that it be contiguous).
 
When I need to do a "wall of text" answer, I find every way possible to break it up.
 
I won't be surprised when we get a Matrix class just to silence the people who use vectors of vectors.
 
@JerryCoffin Did I state that somewhere? I think I was a bit ambiguous in one part.
It is contiguous, you cannot really break it apart, it makes no sense.
Oh, I see it, I'll clear it up a bit.
 
@DomagojPandža I don't think you stated it directly, but I would infer that from what you said.
 
I think the only person who can get away with walls of text is Eric Lippert.
 
5:54 AM
@chris std::valarray already imitates a matrix pretty well, if you need that. I've posted a 3D matrix class as well (but only to demonstrate a technique for preserving a[b][d][e] style syntax for one).
 
@JerryCoffin, That's true.
 
@chris Their own silliness for not using Bewst.
 
@Mysticial Oh, I doubt that. I'll bet Jon could cut-n-paste some actuarial tables, or something equally meaningless, and still get up-votes for it.
 
So true.
 
@JerryCoffin That's probably true too, lol
 

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