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9:00 PM
@StackedCrooked me and 4 friends got to the Skeleton King in 2 hours
@DeadMG I guess I could believe that you beat Normal, if you didn't do much else
 
I didn't even see Normal/Hard levels when starting the game. There was only Normal/HardCore character types.
 
all you have to do is, 1). Pick Wizard. 2). Pick the strong AoE skills. 3). Rickroll Diablo. Also, read the tooltips and don't stack bad items.
 
@StackedCrooked You don't have the option for Hard until you get to a certain point
 
AoE skills?
 
@StackedCrooked Area of effect.
 
9:00 PM
@StackedCrooked Area of Effect
 
Age of Empires?
 
so for Wizard
 
@DeadMG I'm having no problems whatsoever with my demon witch so far. (Except when soloing the Skeleton King)
 
I picked the wizard. And I'm planning on picking area of effect skills.
 
the signature lightning skill, with this rune that makes enemies you kill with it explode, is horrifically overpowered.
 
9:01 PM
But for now I only have the laser / light-beam. Which works pretty well.
 
and Disintegrate is like, your one-stop-shop for killing everything.
I only had to go back to Ray of Frost for the last two boss battles
 
@DeadMG I guess that's what I mean with the laser.
 
@StackedCrooked The laser skill is Ray of Frost.
the lightning skill looks nothing like a laser
 
Ah.
Pounds fist on own head.
 
lol
but it's only "quite strong" until you get the rune that makes people you kill with it explode for MASSIVE DAMAGE
I mean, Magic Missile is kinda suck
 
9:04 PM
urg why do people close duplicates as not a real question instead of duplicate question, even when there has been a good duplicate (in fact two) suggested for the whole time they've been voting?
 
Fire 1x110% damage projectile, or fire 3x105% damage projectile? Gosh, difficult choice
 
@DeadMG But wait, you played all 4 acts in 23 hours?
 
@StackedCrooked that's what he said
 
@StackedCrooked I did also sleep in the middle.
 
For 16 minutes or something?
 
9:05 PM
@DeadMG suuuure you did
 
not for my customary 12 hours though
only 7 hours
 
Lol.
It'll take me a month or so.
 
I almost beat act 4 on normal in Diablo 2 once.
 
We'll see. Weekend starts at Thursday this week.
 
9:06 PM
Then I realized 20 points into magic arrow wasn't smart.
 
@MooingDuck Killed Baal on Hell.
lol
yeah, that's the thing about D3 compared to D2
if your build is a pile of titwank, you can change it pretty easy
 
Ell
Anyone played castle of the winds?
 
as long as you don't do something stupid, like stack Strength as a Wizard
 
@DeadMG and even then, it's not that hard to switch
 
well, you'd have to find new items
 
9:08 PM
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Q: questions regarding char* and char[] basics

dupdupdupFirstly, i would like to ask where can i learn all the basics of char* and char[]. Most of the time i find myself struggling with how to compare and how to declare. Example 1 : char *test = "hello world"; This will produce the following warning at compilation : warning: deprecated conv...

Dupe votes please.
 
stacking Intelligence is pretty crucial because you get +1% damage per point
by the end, I'm like, +350% damage
 
@DeadMG not incredibly hard to replace it with blues, especially if you have some coin
 
the difference between having the odd point in Intelligence and stacking it can mean double your damage
@MooingDuck Harder than you'd think to find decent Int/Vit items.
 
oh man, trying to use X11 is hard work. most of advice on the net seems to be along the lines of "lol, use something that does that for you"
 
@DeadMG but any int/vit is an upgrade over strength
 
9:12 PM
@MooingDuck Sure, but that doesn't mean that you actually got anywhere close to the effect of stacked int/vit.
 
@DeadMG of course not, but replacing stacked strength isn't hard for a wizard.
 
could some one answer a noobish question? What is it called in C when you have a function like void *pop. Is this a function pointer?
 
well, technically, you could just take your gear off and call that "replacing" it
the useful purpose is how long it would take for you to go from stacked strength to stacked int/vit
 
@stevebot no, a function that returns a void pointer
 
and it's not actually that easy
 
sbi
9:15 PM
@StackedCrooked Apparently, some people reported having played it through after 5 hours.
 
@johnathon thanks that makes more sense
 
@stevebot void (*pop)() is a pointer to a function that takes nothing and returns nothing.
@stevebot void* pop() is a function that takes nothing and returns a void pointer.
 
@MooingDuck I see you postfixed the * to void, whereas I prefixed pop with *. Is this semantically any different?
 
Whitespace is irrelevant.
Just a matter of style.
 
@stevebot nope
I hate my company's log files. We log waaay too much information, and so I have no idea what causes failures.
 
9:23 PM
I'm starting to think that not the most intelligent people are using FB
 
Derp
But since you mention it, what prompted that?
 
lol
@sehe the things I have to read on my FB feeds...
 
our program fails to start, and I see 954435 bytes of logging. Awesome. And 23 events in the System Event Viewer.
 
Ell
trololol
 
@TonyTheLion uhoh, see there is your mistake: you read feeds on facebook
 
9:24 PM
@TonyTheLion Right. I'm pretty dumb and I'm on FB.
 
"An application that measures your sexual attractiveness" - how can anyone believe that this is even remotely real or accurate???
@sehe probably, my mistake
 
@TonyTheLion All you have to do is notice the lack of the word "accurately"
 
@TonyTheLion I bet you only say that because it rated you low.
 
Ell
...measures breast size, symetricness, blemishes, etc...
 
it probably just return rand();
 
9:25 PM
@TonyTheLion it is easy to make such app with a bit of image analysis, + odour detector.
 
@TonyTheLion Who says anyone does? Isn't facebook in the 'attention grabbing' business?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I don't use that shit
 
@CheersandhthAlf Not at all easy to define what makes a person attractive to another- not to mention that repellent features for some are attracting features for other.
 
Ell
Frankly, they are 100% accurate. (Can you tell I scored 10/10?)
@DeadMG good point actually
 
@DeadMG food for psychologists
 
9:26 PM
@DeadMG oh it is, i've read about it. like @ell says, e.g. symmetry is important
 
@sehe I don't know, the idea of it alone, makes me angry, cause it's bullocks
 
@TonyTheLion Attention is most easily grabbed with nonsense. FB knows that. And it attracts a ditto crowd
 
@CheersandhthAlf No, not symmetry, breast size.
 
fundamentally, attraction is a wholly subjective thing and no algorithm will ever be able to say yes or no
 
I'm not sure how I would tell a computer what is attractive and what isn't
it's a but of a subjective thing
 
9:27 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes breasts should be symmetric
 
And sizeable.
 
@sehe I think it's time I left FB
 
:)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes no, firm
 
@CheersandhthAlf It's known that more symmetrical people are more attractive. But by who? The person that you want? Who knows? And by how much?
 
9:27 PM
Don't worry, there's always reddit

Oh... wait
 
sizable is just some stupid idea that some American had. they're dumb.
 
and does the answer change if your interest is short-sighted and can't actually see as well as the computer can?
 
Ell
@DeadMG an algorithm can solve anything... the brain does it after all?
 
@sehe not much better, just full of kittens and bacon
 
@Ell proving that the brain is deterministic is.... tricky.
 
9:28 PM
@Ell For one, there's no proof that the brain is limited to Turing-complete... although there's no reason to suggest otherwise, I guess.
 
42 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@sehe Oh, just wanted you to know that my sarcasm self-test is complete.
 
but for two, you would only be able to do that if you could poll everyone in the world, because they all have a unique algorithm.
 
i think, males want physically whomever looks like best able to produce and rear a child
 
Ell
@MooingDuck the brain must be determenistic? (down to quantum level, at least)
 
@TonyTheLion Hmmm, bacon.
 
9:29 PM
i.e. healthy, young, intelligent look
 
and then, you would be collapsing a complex physical response into a boolean result, which is going to be quite lossy, and then simply reporting statistics
 
Ell
Pheremones play a big part I beleive
 
@Ell My fact is obviously true! (if you ignore the details at least)
 
while women go for more subtle cues
 
Ell
@MooingDuck haha touche :L
 
9:29 PM
not that i think they're brighter, but they have different goals
 
all women are subtle
no generalization for sure
 
nah
 
Ell
Pheremones decide who "loves" who - which is a reason marriages can break down. After women hit the menopause, their pheremones change - attraction can be lost
 
it's about variance, and there's a simple evolutionary reason for it
men have a narrower range (as a general population) of what they define to be attractive than women
 
@Ell that sounds like a really sad world view
 
sbi
9:30 PM
@sehe All generalizations are bad.
 
@sbi even that one :P
 
@sbi Meta.
 
Ell
@sehe it is :o but I don't live by it
 
and the reason is because children can gain all sorts of physical problems in the womb from their mother; but not from their father
 
@sbi lol. I had a hunch you'd want to drop in on this discussion :)
 
Ell
9:31 PM
I beleive it, but dont live by it
 
woah, I just realized I started a conversation about sex again
 
@Ell attraction != love, in my book
 
sbi
@sehe I haven't even looked at what you are discussing. I just saw your message and the thought hit me.
 
@TonyTheLion we're not surprised
 
;P
I am
 
9:31 PM
no you didn't. This is about FB.
Or is it :)
 
well, FB and sex then
 
Ell
@sehe I disagree - I agree that you can be attracted to someone without loving, but not loveing without attraction
 
@DeadMG deconvolution?
 
@Ell I saw an article that said there was a strong correlation between the age of a mans midlife crisis and his wife's age. (and a weaker correlation to his own age)
@sehe not anymore, we deraileed
 
Ell
anyway, as interesting as this conversation is (it is very), Its past my bedtime
 
sbi
9:32 PM
Oh. Interesting topic, indeed, @sehe. :)
 
Ell
goodnight all
 
@CheersandhthAlf huh?
 
sbi
@CheersandhthAlf All humans want that. Women, too.
 
near-sighted: install deconvolution algorithm in brain
 
I think this is totally pertinent to this discussion: I'm out of gas. Fuck.
 
9:33 PM
lulz
robots need gas???
 
@TonyTheLion For cooking.
 
@TonyTheLion he gets power somewhere doesn't he?
 
And yes, robots eat food. For pleasure, not sustenance.
 
robots eat????
 
@RMartinhoFernandes maybe you can hand-crank the ADSL modem?
 
9:34 PM
lol
@CheersandhthAlf hahaha :P
 
sbi
@CheersandhthAlf Women have the very same goal as men: to give their genes a better chance to spread. But since they have to invest so much more into their children, they have different ways than men to achieve that.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Don't those come from a mains of gas pipes?
 
I pass gas
I see an opportunity for synergy
 
@DeadMG No. I have to go and buy a bottle at the gas station. I don't live in the city.
 
9:35 PM
sucks
didn't know there was anywhere in the developed world like that
like not having electricity
 
sbi
@Ell It's not only pheromones, though. Also, it's not like marriages only end after the woman's menopause. In fact, most marriages break down much earlier.
 
@DeadMG That's quite common around here. If I walk 20 minutes down the road, all the houses there have piped gas, though.
 
@TonyTheLion Actually, I have just explained the mechanics of farting to my 6y/o daughter when putting her to bed. You know how it is: it comes up and then all of sudden she goes "What is that, really, daddy?" - :)
 
@sehe :P
 
@sbi Zing!
 
9:37 PM
getting fullscreen X11 is not a simple task :(
 
<Super+F11> for me. Works for any X client at all
That' the cool thing about window managers: they can actually, you know, manage the windows
 
but I want the program to start in full screen mode
 
@sehe AbstractSingletonFactoryProxyWindowBeanBridgeStrategyManager?
 
sbi
@Ell Are really old people, who still love each other, also still attracted by each other? I suppose this becomes a philosophical question.
 
@thecoshman I actually understood that :)
@DeadMG I don't think anyone would realistically defend the idea that X11 was 'pattern heavy'. In any way, shape or form.
 
9:40 PM
lol
 
what about in an 11-dimensional quantum hyper-sphere?
 
huh... I think I've got it working, I think I just need to add something to be rendered
 
@DeadMG It's really really hard to discern any pattern in X11. I mean, other than "total mess", if you count that as a pattern.
 
@thecoshman that's immaterial
 
@RMartinhoFernandes AntiAbstractSingletonFactoryProxyWindowBeanBridgeStrategyManager?
 
sbi
9:41 PM
@Ell I once saw a women for 2hrs every week, together with 30 other people, for months in a row, and nothing happened. Afterwards, when we didn't see each other anymore, we accidentally started an email discussion, and after a few weeks, realized we had fallen in love with each other. So we met again, and that started a relationship that lasted years. Of course, I can't rule out that the email discussion was so good because we had sniffed each other's hormones earlier, but it's unlikely.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Well they went from total mess to componentized mess to total mess, in a way
 
@sehe how so? would my screen be cleared or something when the window goes full screen?
 
oh my. And I'm taking things too literally? Of course it is immaterial, because that was a silly joke.
I was mocking the fact that the 'full screen' feature was working, but there wasn't an application to show in it
 
@sbi I don't think love is physical attraction, that's lust
 
sbi
@thecoshman Nor think I, nor said @Ell, actually. He said love requires attraction. I am not sure about even that, though.
 
9:44 PM
@sehe :( I may be clutching for anything that resembles hope here
 
I don't even think physical attraction is lust. It may lead to lust, but lust can build without attraction, really
 
sbi
@sehe I'm not sure about that. Can you lust for someone you don't find attractive?
 
@sbi You can even have lust without someone, IMO. I don't think it requires an object, just a subject
 
@sbi I suppose you could say love is a form of attraction. But it would be hard to define what the attraction is. If it was easy to define what love is, there would a SI unit of love
 
sbi
@sehe "lust for someone"
 
9:46 PM
@thecoshman There is: the juliet.
 
@sehe how so?
@RMartinhoFernandes seriously?
 
sbi
@thecoshman Every teenage boy who jacks off without having a certain woman in mind lusts without lusting for someone. :-/
 
@thecoshman Erm... I do that by just thinking: I opine, cogitate, ponder putations, deliberate and mesmerize, and bingo: (illusions of) thought or opion appear
 
@sbi I don't think you can call that lust though
 
9:48 PM
I'm pretty sure Merriam would disagree.
Or Webster, for that matter
 
sbi
@thecoshman What? I might have the word pinned wrong. Lemme look it up... Mhmm. I don't think you're right on that.
 
@sbi I'll await your result then
 
You can lust for power.
 
wanting to pee really badly, you might say you lust to use the toilet, but just pissing your self is not lust
 
Villains do that.
 
sbi
9:49 PM
@sehe Oh, I looked for the German translations of the English "lust". From that I think he's wrong.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes but in that example, 'power' is a thing
 
The teenage boy in sbi's story lusts for sex.
 
@thecoshman You're powers of reasoning have totally blown me away there
 
@thecoshman Exactly. Not "someone".
 
sbi
@thecoshman You don't have enough fantasy. There certainly are people who lust for peeing on each other. :D
 
9:50 PM
In my view, lust is an emotion, kind of like 'anger' or 'melancholy'
@sbi Or, I reckon, on themselves indeed
 
Ok, we get it. Some people get off on pee. Can we move on?
 
25 mins ago, by sehe
@DeadMG food for psychologists
^ again
 
@sehe well, you can be lustful. but lust is an action. it is thing you do. You can describe something as lust, well you could describe some ones action as being like lust, but that would just be comparing two actions and saying they are the same.
 
sbi
Damn, I meant to go home earlier today, but now it's even later than it was yesterday. Sigh.
 
Surely you have a singular interpretation of the word
 
9:54 PM
any way, I hardly think I am the sort of person to debate this sort of thing :P
 
"Excuse me, would it be ok if I perform a little _lust_ on you?"
Nah, doesn't work as an action. At least not beyond where any emotion is 'an action of (parts of) the brain'
 
@sbi camp over. 'start' really early, leave super early
 
Don't show up at all!
 
Don't throw up at all!
 
"Sorry, but I am lusting for you"
not sure if that really counts though
 
9:56 PM
Ok, I throw up alright
 
@thecoshman Sounds like a bad pick-up line.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes or an ingenious one o_0
 
sbi
@thecoshman No. In 15mins goes a train that gets me home in <1hr. I need to leave right now.
 
@sbi fly you fool!
 
9:58 PM
@thecoshman Almost as ingenious as "Do you dance?" "No." "So we're both here just to fuck, heh?"
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@RMartinhoFernandes how long have you been waiting to be given a chance to use that?
 
Long enough.
 
@thecoshman I feel that 'lust' (linguistically), works like 'hunger' or 'thirst'. I have lust, or I am feeling lust. I could be "thirsting for something", but that is rather poetic/archaic as far as I can tell. Thirst is mainly a condition. "The hunger took control of me and removed my ability to think"
Things like that
 
I can't claim credit for it though.
 
Sure you can.
Not legitimately, maybe
 
10:04 PM
@sehe you make a very good point right their that I will not dispute. However, I have since lost track of what we where really debating
 
Sex
Or something like it.
 
Facebook
 
Oh. Facebook is like sex?
 
41 mins ago, by Tony The Lion
"An application that measures your sexual attractiveness" - how can anyone believe that this is even remotely real or accurate???
@RMartinhoFernandes No, Facebook's " + Like" is sexy (?)
(don't even know their like button style/text :))
 
@sehe I can't. Asshole behaviour inhibitors.
 
10:09 PM
Poor thing. I'm sure you can be modded
 
yeah... almost pure black screen to almost pure white screen hurts. I think I need to build up my tolerance
@RMartinhoFernandes what about the dick claws? :P
 
Or, use Compiz transparency: <alt>+scroll wheel adjusts transparency of any window.
Works magic for late-night monitor tuning
Window managers FTW
 
@sehe lol, you keep telling my controls to use as if you really expect them to still be configured the same
I do actually need to sort out my compiz settings, stupid upgrade messed them up, and I've been too lazy to sort it out.
 
No. I am not. I'm just telling you to get your act together and use the tools like a power user :)
 
10:12 PM
And there's a new version again
 
I assume you have seen ccsm (compiz-config settings manager)? One stop shop
 
potato; potato
sure I have, but you know, lazy
I set a few things, but then just got bored
 
oh that
figured
 
something like 13 hours a day with a face full of screen is not good for the peepers
 
peepers? What is that supposed to mean?
 
10:16 PM
Eyes.
They peep.
 
any way, it's time for the hot water bottles
 
So they're peepers.
Duh.
 
Oh. Do they. It must a cultural thing
 
never heard of the phrase 'peeping tom'?
 
So, Toms peep, not eyes
 
10:17 PM
Peep show?
@sehe They eyes are the tools for peeping.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes and "The Peep Show"
Peeping peepers peep peeping peepers peeping peepers peeping peeped peepers
 
Ah. Steam finished the damn download. I can play again. Later.
 
oooh, that could keep on going :P
some how, that makes sense, though I don't know how many pairs of peepers are involved :S
testing to the max!
This is insane. A C++ metaprogram that parses Haskell at compile time and translates it into another C++ metaprogram. #cppnow
 
4 hours ago, by sbi
This is insane. A C++ metaprogram that parses Haskell at compile time and translates it into another C++ metaprogram. #cppnow
 
I guess it is still insane
 
10:31 PM
I don't see how it's possible- within the Standard, anyway
 
nothing different from factorials, or prime numbers
 
well, for one, those take an int as input, and Haskell is provided as a series of strings.
 
@DeadMG You can read the paper? It is explained in full detail
 
Where is the Haskell metaprogram thingy?
 
@sehe Actually, I clicked the link and looked at "cppnow" to look for a description of the method and didn't see one
 
I do not know how to compile .pdf :(
 
Compile?
@DeadMG Clicked the wrong link huh? Obviously, you should have followed @Abyx's link to @sbi's onebox instead and the pdf link would have jumped right at you
 
why would I have done that?
 
@DeadMG To waste less time looking for something that isn't there.
 
@sehe You only know that if, in advance, you know that the tweet and #cppnow do not contain the paper]
 
10:36 PM
Twitter channels are not good ways to find sources of news.
 
which would be the logical place to put it if you're gonna flippin tweet about it
 
The tweet was oneboxed, so we knew it didn't contain the paper, or even a link. #cppnow is a channel, and twitter being twitter you can expect to find much unrelated cruft in ~160 char (?) messages
 
as I don't use Twitter, that sentence contains several pieces of information which are new to me.
 
@DeadMG You can't. Twitter is twitter, is the point. If there isn't a tinyurl in the tweet, there is no way it links to something bigger, by default. Of course, you might have found the link after reading through pages of cruft in #cppnow, too
@DeadMG I don't use twitter. I just learned about these properties a few months back when we had two power outages in 2 weeks. I subscribed (?) to the utility companies feed (?) and that was about it.
The lack of jargon and the abundance of '?' marks should provide you a bit of a clue as to my proficiency with the medium
 
evidently a lot more than me
 
10:41 PM
Apparently. Not evidently. I blame it on common sense/intuition. The moment I saw that @sbi posted the tweet, I knew he'd probably have linked to more information as well
 
twitter is the deivl
all i have to say about it
 
Twitter is for people too lazy for a blog and that says a lot
 
@Pubby I disagree. Twitter is about simple communication. My friend regularly tweets quotes from his four year old. But a blog post of such would be silly.
 
simplified, FTFY
 
Hey I need a quick hand with a problem
Im having some problems with relative paths, anyone got any suggestions?
 
10:50 PM
@jozefg is it a question with a one word answer?
 
uhm... I'd better shut up
 
Like #includes and whatnot
 
@jozefg That's... not a clear problem.
That's right up there with going to the doctor and saying "I'm sick."
 
I'm having problems with gcc's -I switch, despite using this im having erros when including.
 
@jozefg just don't use gcc
 
10:52 PM
....
 
it's crap, VC++ is better
3
 
No... not for linux
 
ah... linux is a complete crap, use Windows
2
 
............false no no
 
They're both crap but Linux is better
 
10:53 PM
you see, your problem is not in includes, it's OS
 
@Abyx that's not helpful
 
@MooingDuck it's Lounge<C++>, it can't be helpful, you know
 
yes, its simply that i think im using relative paths and the -I flag incorrectly, can anyone give me just a brief example of how to correctly apply them?
 
@jozefg try "gcc -IWhatever -v"? see what that tells you?
 
Im using gcc from eclipse so nothing haha
 
user406009
10:56 PM
@jozefg I know I am going to regret this, but RTFM.
 
yep, that's funny
 
Tried... im confused...
im just a poor java programmer who's all confused by your crazy include statements
3
 
oh my... it explains everything
 
Really im just wondering what it needs for an include statement of the for #include "../something/else/file.h" is that correct?
 
@jozefg where are the headers relative to the cwd, and what is the command you're trying?
@jozefg do you know what the cwd is?
 
10:59 PM
current working directory
 
@jozefg oh, wait, if you're using eclipse, doesn't eclipse have methods for all this already built in? Why are you doing command line stuff with eclipse?
 

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