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10:00 PM
yeah someone played dice with these messages
 
I get it now
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion lmgtfy!
> The opposite of being drunk, its as sober as you can ever be. It strips away all the illusion, all the comforting pink fog in which people normally spend their lives, and lets them see and think clearly for the first time ever. Then, after they've screamed a bit, they make sure they never get knurd again — Terry Pratchett
 
lol, yea I get it
 
int main(){} has no macros, string literals or comments. I win.
 
10:00 PM
@FredOverflow pure. win.
 
hahah
 
The empty file has no macros either. Or literals of any type. Or comments
 
virtual void win() = 0
 
10:01 PM
I win, it's pure :)
 
@sehe Sadly, it's not a complete program.
 
(unless written by IBM: // this file intentionally left blank)
 
sbi
@KianMayne What? We certainly had mentioned sex, drugs & rock'n'roll before here.
 
No, the empty file has comments and macros and not macros and zero comments.
because oF UB!
 
sbi
@sehe Fine with me, while we're making a cult of Stross' SF. I'd advise to stay away from his Fantasy, IYAM, but his SF is pretty darn good.
 
10:01 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Where did you get that requirement from?
 
I get it now
 
Man, it seems like most AI problems can be solved by applying A* or one of its variants.
 
win = True is pure.
 
@sehe It's not a requirement, but it's an advantage of Fred's solution.
 
10:02 PM
my post appeared rather at an inappropriate time
 
@KianMayne you can always flag inappropriate messages
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Are you gonna post a real quiz or not?
 
@sbi We're making a cult of Stross's SF? Where do I apply?
 
@FredOverflow real quiz: "Find the error: long double PI = 3.1415926535897932;"
 
PI is already defined in cmath?
 
10:03 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes No. More lines of code means more bugs. For one, my solution doesn't interfere with any SELinux policies, cannot be audited, doesn't require any shared libraries, is ABI version agnostic and compiles faster
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Follow the reference, and you will find out that @sehe said so after you quoted the guy. And when you start a cult, you don't need to apply to be allowed to take part in it.
 
@sbi Wasn't it Stross who wrote "Glasshouse"?
 
@FredOverflow incorrect
 
It looks more like short double to me.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb You forgot to make the literal long double, hence losing precision?
 
10:03 PM
@AlfPSteinbach Yep.
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach Yep. Not as good, though, IMNSHO.
 
I liked Glasshouse.
 
there is no "short double" lol
 
short double = float? :)
 
sbi
10:04 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb Isn't PI the name of a macro?
 
It is kinda short.
 
@sbi incorrect
 
@JohannesSchaublitb I think pascal used to have Single (as does VB6, IIRC)
 
@sbi isn't that M_PI?
 
the value of PI is wrong
2
 
sbi
10:05 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb It's all capitals, though, and thus firmly in the macro name space.
 
Obligatory π.
 
long double pi = π;
2
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion I only know half the digits there by heart, so I wouldn't know that.
 
long double pi = 4;   // fixed it
 
10:05 PM
I only know 3.14.
 
@sbi start learning then :)
 
Also, I now have a font that displays pi properly. :P
 
@sehe No, Jensen & Wirth Pascal had just real.
 
@FredOverflow But only for very large values of π!
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion I'm too old to learn something new.
 
10:06 PM
Quiz: "Find the error in this code: void f(int const(&P)[3]) { cout << (P[0] + P[1] + P[2]); } int main() { f({4, 5, 6}); }"
 
@daknøk Or small values of 4. You need to think outside the box.
 
@sbi wut?
 
This reminds me, whoever heard of Kathleen Jensen, and what's she doing now?
 
A woman? Where?
 
sbi
@CheersandhthAlf Google did!
 
10:07 PM
Not here, obviously.
 
@CheersandhthAlf But I did Turbo Pascal :)
Turbo Pascal is a software development system that includes a compiler and an integrated development environment (IDE) for the Pascal programming language running on CP/M, CP/M-86, and DOS, developed by Borland under Philippe Kahn's leadership. From version 6 both a lower-priced Turbo Pascal and more expensive Borland Pascal were produced; Borland Pascal had more libraries and standard library source code. The name Borland Pascal is also used more generically for Borland's dialect of Pascal. Borland has released three old versions of Turbo Pascal free of charge because of their historic...
 
@JohannesSchaublitb What's the answer to the last quiz?
 
@sehe Ah, nostalgia.
 
@FredOverflow the array thing?
 
Ah, crt errors.
 
10:07 PM
lol
 
Sometimes reading python codes, make me jealous, specially dict and other pythonic features
 
2 mins ago, by Tony The Lion
the value of PI is wrong
 
@sbi I can verify all but the last two are right. (I only know up to that last 9)
 
One does not simply π.
 
Of course it's wrong, long double doesn't have infinite precision.
 
10:08 PM
lulz
 
But it could!
 
@FredOverflow no you alreay solved it! it needed "L"
 
@JohannesSchaublitb The error is that you are using using namespace std.
 
e what's this constant?
 
@daknøk HAHA
 
10:08 PM
It's e.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Ah okay, since you didn't confirm, I was unsure.
 
@FredOverflow You don't need infinite precision to represent pi.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Cannot make array lvalues from initializer list or something?
 
and e^(pi * i) = -1.
 
You guys, it's incredibly hard to study with you around.
 
10:09 PM
Also, I feel the need to mention infinitely long double.
 
The number is an important mathematical constant, approximately equal to 2.71828, that is the base of the natural logarithms. It is the limit of as becomes large, an expression that arises in the study of compound interest, and can also be calculated as the sum of the series The constant can be defined in many ways; for example, is the unique real number such that the value of the derivative (slope of the tangent line) of the function at the point is equal to 1. The function so defined is called the exponential function, and its inverse is the natural logarithm, or logarithm...
 
@EtiennedeMartel There's the door!
 
@daknøk World's sexiest mathematical expression.
 
You need a computer that stores values in base π instead of base 2.
 
@FredOverflow @daknøk already solved it: The quiz was to see that there is no error in it xD
 
10:09 PM
I love natural logarithms :P
 
I think it's sad that we forget the women in computing.
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@JohannesSchaublitb I don't have enough experience with initializer lists to know if you can pass that to a function like you do.
 
@FredOverflow Nah. Otherwise I won't be able to whine about it.
 
@daknøk I prefer it as e^(πi) + 1 = 0 because it also includes zero.
 
As far as history goes, I forget everyone.
 
sbi
10:10 PM
I knew this would happen. Someone [edited the book list in the tag wiki], but didn't edit the question. I'm gonna delete the tag wiki one now.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Really? That's even stupider than the first quiz!
 
FORGET ALL THE HISTORY
 
I liked you better with stupid hair and cool quizzes :(
 
sbi
10:10 PM
@CheersandhthAlf I wouldn't say we forget women. Some (like @Tony) talk of little else. It's more like that women tend to forget of the C++ programmers.
 
@FredOverflow Definitely.
 
hehehe
 
@FredOverflow :(
now I got hot hair and boring quizes
can't have the cake and eat it!
 
sbi
@FredOverflow All of @Johannes' quizzes are stupid. That's why I hate them.
 
Especially if cake has hair, too.
 
10:11 PM
lol
 
@JohannesSchaublitb You can solve the problem of hot hair by turning off the dryer.
 
And you've killed the discussion.
 
Woah. I just added -Wall -pedantic -Weffc++ to my sample from this answer. It resulted in no less than 236 klines of warnings, 40 klines after dedup, taking 350Mb uncompressed.
 
10:14 PM
Completely unrelated.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I think an argument can be made that 2 and 4 are also important number values. Like we say "2 and 2 is 4", which means "2 op 2 = 4" for any op in {+, *, ^, ^^, ...} And I think the end result is that 3 is special, because 3 is not fundamentally important for anything?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Oh, we'll find a link!
 
@sehe Congrats.
 
@sehe -Weffc++ tends to do that.
 
@sehe I was referring to the video I shared.
What you wrote was actually completely related.
 
10:15 PM
@FredOverflow Oh does it show that I never used it :)
 
Has anyone tried to get Clang running on windows?
 
@SethCarnegie I heard clang sucks on Windows.
 
Many people tried.
 
@SethCarnegie I don't think Clang supports Windows.
 
@CheersandhthAlf I wouldn't place them together with zero and one. Zero and one are way more important.
 
10:15 PM
Not all of them survived.
 
Here is one not from me, but from someone else knowledgable I'm going to steal
 
Those who did have their brain swapped with their rectum.
 
@FredOverflow it supposedly has instructions for windows on the website
but they don't work
 
@CatPlusPlus Products that are said to suck, often gain popularity for undisclosed reasons
 
clang has many problems with the msvc++ headers
 
10:16 PM
@sehe Yeah, like PHP.
 
It's not that clang sucks on Windows, it's that Windows sucks.
 
I am trying to get it to work with the mingw headers but it's not working with that either (things are missing from the std namespace)
 
MSVC has problems with MSVC headers.
 
Popularity != Quality.
 
And you're trying to use them with Clang?
 
10:17 PM
yes
 
@CatPlusPlus It's mostly related with the compiler basically saying "Guys, I can't believe you wrote that shit."
 
I don't know what else to do, it doesn't say in the instructions
 
""
Please discuss!
 
@EtiennedeMartel What, is there an implicit conversion that allows std::swap with those arguments?
 
C++ compilers should destroy bad code on sight.
 
10:18 PM
@SethCarnegie @Xeo uses clang on a Linux vbox.
 
But then we'd have no WinSDK.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Too little hot air. Just expand imagine!
 
@sehe Clang overloaded swap just for that.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Doesn't sound too bad. Can you post a link to the original?
 
10:19 PM
@FredOverflow You don't know the original?
It's fucking Justin Bieber.
 
Justing Bieber at least knows how to make money
 
@EtiennedeMartel Props to @FredOverflow then
 
I guess he's pretty smart
 
I know how to make money, too.
I just choose not to.
 
10:19 PM
lol
 
@EtiennedeMartel The original is fucking Justin Bieber?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes do you just download a vbox and install linux or what
 
Again with that.
 
@CatPlusPlus It's just illegal to do so in my country
 
@FredOverflow Something like that... of course not, the original is from Bieber.
 
10:20 PM
:)
 
I want my own, private country.
 
@SethCarnegie Something like that, I guess.
 
With large walls.
And free Internet.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Nevermind, I just found the original:
But yeah, I've never heard a single Justin Bieber song. Why would I?
 
@SethCarnegie Yes.
That's what you do with VMs, usually.
 
10:21 PM
@CatPlusPlus I've never done it before, what VM do I get, or what
 
@daknøk Can anybody not high or drunk person actually understand Ozzy here?
 
Vbox is a VM.
 
@FredOverflow Thanks to Cthulhu, the Earth is saved.
 
@CatPlusPlus virtualbox.org ?
 
Ah, the song is called "Baby", I thought it was called "Dirty Loops Baby". No wonder I didn't find it :)
 
10:21 PM
Wait what?
 
You create a machine, mount ISO with some Linux distro, and install it.
@SethCarnegie Yes.
 
@FredOverflow Dirty Loops is the name of the band that covered it.
 
@CatPlusPlus Apparently it's free?
 
@SethCarnegie Free as in the air you breathe.
 
10:22 PM
@SethCarnegie It is. What you host with it sometimes isn't. Windows, for instance.
 
Cool, thanks guys
here's hoping clang gets working
 
Free as in hot air folks xD
 
Oh man, this room is crazy active.
 
This room is crazy. FTFY.
 
Yeah. Go away, everyone, I need to go to sleep.
 
10:23 PM
Can't it be both?
 
how come this room has now 40 ppl in it. last week it was only 20
 
@RMartinhoFernandes You must have misspelled clever.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb modwar was last week
 
We're that awesome.
 
@CatPlusPlus The gameplay was ripped off from Earthbound.
 
10:23 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb I'm back.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Time for a Miss Spelling award?
 
@FredOverflow Tori is nice =) /retracted: was nice 15 years ago.
 
@EtiennedeMartel The gameplay was ripped off from every damn jRPG in existence.
 
@Mana This room is fantastic.
@CatPlusPlus Maybe. But Earthbound was the shit.
 
10:25 PM
Also, where would people go if not here? JavaScript room? Please.
 
Anubis has quite a few sex jokes in the C# room, he deletes them promptly though
 
@CaptainGiraffe delete in the C# room? Doesn't C# have Garbage Collection?
 
Anyway, sleep. Sleep is good.
 
@FredOverflow The clever point of the evening goes to .... :)
@ScottW Just for the first generation.
@CatPlusPlus What kind of projects was Cat expecting us to submit to the loungecpp.wikidot.com/showcase link?
 
Oh well I can't find anything about her. But her code lives on. homepages.cwi.nl/~steven/pascal/book/pint.html
 
10:32 PM
You're a poor stalker, it seems.
 
@FredOverflow A rather excellent garbage collector, from what I've heard.
 
@CaptainGiraffe any and all projects of regulars I'd guess. Especially those discussed in chat. Like DeadMG's wideC
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Yes. I have lost almost all google-foo. Perhaps someone could help?
 
What are you searching for?
 
@EtiennedeMartel That makes me wonder. What characteristics (besides correctness, of course) make an excellent garbage collector?
 
10:33 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Performance, mostly.
 
kathleen jensen, co-author of the original Pascal user manual and technical report, and I think she was the one who created p-pascal (the VM idea that today is used by Java and C# and so on)
 
@EtiennedeMartel Which breaks down into two subcharacteristics: low overhead and scalability
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Predictability is one useful characteristic that modern gear seems to have discarded.
 
@CheersandhthAlf Jensen, eh? Like Jelena Jensen?
 
@EtiennedeMartel No, that's like confusing Ada Lovelace and the other lady Lovelace (who sucketh)
 
10:36 PM
@CaptainGiraffe GCs tend to be non-deterministic.
 
@CaptainGiraffe What do you mean? Deterministic collections?
That's a bit difficult to get in an automatic collector.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Yes, with a loose definition of deterministic.
@RMartinhoFernandes True, but a necessary evil it seems.
 
@EtiennedeMartel btw. that wasn't hard to google
 
Tututu.
 
(Btw, the .NET server GC gives some amount of control over when collections happen since v4)
 
10:37 PM
It's just that I already knew that other Jensen lady. So, yeah.
 
A "nsfw" or maybe "this is a busty porn star" tagging mechanism should be on SO-chat feature request list.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well, Linda Lovelace is the only porn model I remember the name of. But then that's part of common general knowledge. I think. (Blush)
 
No need to get all shy with us. It's not like porn is taboo here.
 
@CheersandhthAlf "Linda Lovelace is the only porn model I remember the name of." really??
 
@CaptainGiraffe well, define "porn"?
I was not thinking of Lenna
 
10:41 PM
@CheersandhthAlf Anything that can't be parsed by a c++ compiler.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Some people wank on templates.
@CheersandhthAlf Anything you can wank on.
 
@CheersandhthAlf Er, Lenna is not porn.
@EtiennedeMartel That's too broad, man.
There are weird people out there.
 
I know.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Ok Rule 34 has been invoked. Subject is destroyed.
I can no longer use templates at work.
 
user406009
Rule 34 on templates would be interesting ...
 
10:43 PM
In some seriousness I was going to include Facebook, The inquirer and its ilk into "porn" as in nsfw.
 
sbi
2 mins ago, by Etienne de Martel
@CaptainGiraffe Some people wank on templates.
 
@EthanSteinberg Try google images, you won't be surprised.
 
I've been to the darkest corners of the Web. Nothing surprises me anymore.
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@ScottW Even unbirthing?
 
10:49 PM
@CheersandhthAlf The fact that a hot chick wears the t-shirt does not help.
 
^ Don't know her name, and that's not "porn", is it?
 
Err. No, that's not porn.
 
@CheersandhthAlf If she's not nude, it's probably not porn
Porn is one of those things that's hard to describe, but once you're in front of it, you know it's porn.
Anyway, I generally don't mind the weird fetishes that people have. As long as nobody gets hurt, then it's okay.
@ScottW Then it depends.
 
@CheersandhthAlf Are you sure you're not confusing Linda Lovelace with Ada Lovelace? ;)
 
It's a per-case basis, I'd say.
 
10:51 PM
@ScottW You mean like C++ programming?
 
@FredOverflow "Oooh, yes, I love it when you specialize that template!"
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel ...in your culture. What is considered porn has changed over time and different cultures/nations do not agree on it.
 
@sbi Indeed. Haven't thought of that.
 
template<int B, int T, int D> class TowersOfHanoi. This is the seduction sequence. Take it from there. porn? no?
 
10:53 PM
That was pretty much the basis against something like requiring .xxx domains for "adult" sites
 
@CaptainGiraffe That's one hell of a pickup line you got there.
 
An entirely serious RFC: tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3675
 
@EtiennedeMartel Thanks. I agree. If it works, the deal is better than Gods plan.
Where the hell is the sarcasm tag when you need them html14 ??
 
Just wrote a unit testing framework in C++. It's today's porn.
 
@daknøk BSDM?
 
10:56 PM
@CaptainGiraffe because of C++, right?
 
Java would be worse.
 
AAAHHHH THE MACROS! NOO! D:
 
@CaptainGiraffe: You call that BDSM?
Try wrapping the Windows API into a proper C++ framework
 
@daknøk No sry, thats the vanilla.
 
Anyway, I'll upload it to ClitHu erh GitHub.
 
10:57 PM
@Insilico Not that hard. Qt did it.
 
@Insilico If you dont like STDs move to QT, soft and smooth.
 
(Okay, wrong example)
 
@EtiennedeMartel: I did say "proper C++ framework"
 
@Insilico What? You don't like their use of Cava++?
 
@Insilico Voted down by democracy vote.
 
10:59 PM
@CaptainGiraffe: You're a democracy? :-P
 
When @Etienne is on my side yes, well ... well yes.
 
@Insilico done
 
@EtienedeMartel: I've never heard of Cava++. Enlighten me. :-)
 
@Insilico It's what happens when you try to recreate the Java libraries in C++.
 

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