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2:00 AM
principally, it's Windows support sucks, and the linker for it is to my current knowledge completely unusably immature
 
Xeo
aka if you're not interested in having your compiler work easily on Windows, you're fine. :D
 
Yeah, I don't really care for Windows. The linker probably won't be too much of an issue for a toy project.
 
@Pubby You're building your own compiler for a toy?
 
@ThePhD Toy project as in small experiment
 
2:10 AM
@ThePhD You can do this
 
Sexy.
 
0
Q: C++ Delete Integer

Conner DouglassI am new to C++, and hoping to learn the best habits and practices, particularly surrounding memory management. I have been spoiled on this front by using ARC in my iOS apps, and the built-in GC in Java, as well as a few other languages where GC is enabled. I understand that you use delete or de...

^^ ow...
 
Someone upvoted it
 
It's not a bad question. Just an amazing basic one.
 
He knows 12 programming languages
 
2:17 AM
15 years old and 12 programming languages - damn, that's better than me.
 
Do you think anyone would know 12 programming languages and choose Objective-C as their favourite?
Especially iOS Apps
 
user142019
When I was 15 I only knew about 4 languages.
 
I might have to learn Objective-C in a few months...
 
I feel sorry for you.
 
When I was 15, I knew none...
 
2:18 AM
Dude, I only know about 4 languages.
 
Just browsing the SO questions for the iOS tag makes me feel very sorry for those people
 
It depends on what you consider a different language I guess
 
I thought I knew 3 languages, but apparently, I don't know C nor C++. So I guess I'm down to only 1 - Java... um...
 
user142019
@Mysticial Now, Mysticial doesn’t know C and C++. In a few months, Mysticial doesn’t know C, C++ and Objective-C.
 
@Mysticial You are like 20 something and know 0 programming languages?
@Mysticial lol
 
2:19 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Can't say I know Java well either. So yeah, I know 0 programming languages.
 
I know a bit of languages..
 
Wrong- each new requires a smart pointer, and each delete[] requires you getting three co-workers to review your code to make sure that you didn't suddenly become grossly incompetent by not using std::vector. — DeadMG 49 secs ago
 
user142019
Of all the languages I know, I only know JavaScript, CoffeeScript and Objective-C.
 
I'm relearning C++ I guess
I don't know much C++11 so I'm "relearning" in a sense
 
user142019
I mostly know Ruby and Python. And for all the other languages I claim to know, well, I barely know them.
 
2:22 AM
I know JavaScript, ASM, C++, Ruby, Python and Lua to a degree that I can feel safe using it.
 
user142019
Oh, I also know PHP. :(
 
Wait, if his favorite language is Objective C then how does he not understand automatic storage?
 
user142019
Objective-C doesn’t have automatic storage except for primitive types (inherited from C) and stack-allocated blocks.
 
Yes it does.
@Zoidberg'-- Like ints, right?
 
His example code is using an int
 
2:24 AM
@Zoidberg'-- Look at the question again.
 
@Zoidberg'-- Wait. Objective-C is a strict superset of C, it has to have automatic storage.
 
user142019
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes.
 
This guy is asking for upvotes in the comments lol
 
user142019
ints can be automatic.
 
@Conner An upvote would be appreciated ;-) — Code-Guru 3 mins ago
 
2:25 AM
lol
 
@Code-Guru Thanks for the answer! I completely understand now. Up-vote on its way! — Conner Douglass 1 min ago
 
lol
 
OP doesn't have 15 rep.
 
@Rapptz Upvote the comment!
 
user142019
Objective-C objects are never automatic except for blocks.
 
cpx
2:26 AM
This answer here tells me the behavior is undefined in C99 which I don't understand why:
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A: Undefined behavior: when attempting to access the result of function call

Keith ThompsonYou've run into a subtle corner of the language. An expression of array type is, in most contexts, implicitly converted to a pointer to the first element of the array object. The exceptions, none of which apply here, are: When the array expression is the operand of a unary & operator (whic...

 
user142019
Because the size of an instance of an Objective-C class isn’t know at compile-time, it cannot be created on the stack either.
 
All the answers he has aren't telling him to just not use delete ever in the case of automatic storage, save for the comments.
 
because you're supposed to use delete after new
 
@cpx He's reading too much into a wording clarification.
 
user142019
But if you need to use Objective-C and you don’t enable ARC, you better have a damn good reason for it.
 
2:29 AM
@ThePhD I explicitly stated that local variables clean themselves up.
 
user142019
It’s the only way to get exception safety.
 
@cpx Oh, that was a C question. I didn't even notice.
Anyway, @DeadMG your answer is wrong, at least from a C++ POV: temporaries last until the end of full expressions not until the next sequence point (which is now a non-existent concept, actually)
 
your :( why is it such a common mistake
 
Dealing with the pirate is taking its toll on me :(
 
@cpx I've stumbled on something similar before on SO. I didn't believe it at first. You may or may not have seen my first comment (before I deleted), that it was not UB. But then I remembered that corner case. I was never sure how true that corner case is as I never found an authoritative answer on it.
 
2:32 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know. Sequence points don't even exist in C++11. But he's asking about C. In any case, maybe I'll fix it later, got work to do right now
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What's best practice when it comes to the Prelude for a program? Is it best left for the repl?
 
What do you mean?
 
Do I need to take special steps? Hide it? Qualify it?
 
So everyone always complains about C++ syntax, what are the glaring the problems with it and any idea on how to fix?
 
For a program? No. For a library it's probably better to qualify it.
 
2:35 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Okay.
 
I like C++'s syntax. What's wrong with it?
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@Rapptz You must be a masochist.
 
Really? I don't see anything wrong with it
 
cough MVP cough
 
2:36 AM
@Rapptz Exhibit A
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what is this? C standard?
 
user142019
@Rapptz >>, typename, foo bar(baz());
 
@Insilico Oh. That.
What's Exhibit B?
 
But what's wrong with the C part? Anything better?
 
2:37 AM
@Pubby Trigraphs.
 
Trigraphs are irrelevant
 
@Insilico Is anyone that stupid?
 
@Rapptz Yes.
 
Trigraphs are awesome.
 
2:38 AM
typename, and most vexing parse is C++ stuff, not C
 
@Pubby I was mostly joking.
 
@Pubby Well yeah. We are talking about C++'s crazy syntax.
 
But digraphs are annoying.
Though it seems <: should be fixed, no compiler fixes it yet. I think.
 
cppreference search sucks
 
(I mean std::vector<::std::string> becoming std::vector[:std::string>.)
 
2:39 AM
<:=:> is the best way to declare express lambdas
 
@Rapptz Just use Google and site:cppreference.com
 
(I guess that's not really declaring, whatever the term is)
 
Or any search engine with an equivalent feature.
 
user142019
@Pubby K&R style function declarations (or did C++ not inherit them?).
 
@Insilico I like doing the tab search on chrome but I wish it would let me just search for headers and things
 
2:40 AM
@Zoidberg'-- I don't even think standard C inherited that
 
user142019
ohlol
 
It doesn't.
 
user142019
I am wrong again.
 
Function declaration syntax is annoying
auto () -> is better I suppose
 
Variable declarators.
 
2:42 AM
int foo;
^^^ is this a variable declarator?
 
This too int*(*g)[3](int*(*)());.
 
Is there any better way to declare variables? (and don't bring in pointers to arrays/functions into this! Those clearly suck)
 
user142019
Haskell has a nice syntax. And Python. And Erlang.
 
Significant whitespace only appears to be nice
 
user142019
2:44 AM
English has a terrible syntax.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Heh, thanks for the C standard PDF - I wasn't able to find it on google last time I looked. Now I can repwhore C questions!
 
lol
static means too many different things.
3
[] too
 
what about all the overloaded operators
 
Too many things mean too many different things in C++
 
user142019
*
 
2:48 AM
i++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++i?
 
wtf. My computer is doing nothing but playing Pandora and stuttering. So I pull up the task manager. Only thing that looks suspicious is that the process with the most writes (by a huge margin) is Steam. Well that's' interesting because I haven't started steam yet.
 
user142019
@Rapptz syntax error.
 
I wasn't too serious.
 
Hmm, MsMpEng has double that number of reads. Is my computer doing a virus scan right now? Knock it off windows...
 
Jun 24 '11 at 23:15, by Johannes Schaub - litb
Earlier I had struct A { static b constexpr(a){}; }. because no compiler supports that yet I had to get rid of it :( but I liked it
 
2:49 AM
@Zoidberg'-- sure?
 
user142019
@MooingDuck it cannot be valid ever.
 
@LucDanton Holly molly.
 
user142019
Oh wait. It can be.
 
user142019
lol
 
2:50 AM
So which is better constexpr foo or foo constexpr?
 
user142019
Is i+++i the same as i++ + i?
 
There is an even number of pluses in there.
 
@Zoidberg'-- yes
 
maximal munch
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have a discussion burned in my mind where it was pointed out that a similar, unambiguous snippet was interpreted the wrong way around by Clang. Still looking for it.
 
user142019
2:50 AM
And is i++++ valid? Isn’t i++ an rvalue?
 
In computer programming and computer science, "maximal munch" or "longest match" is the principle that when creating some construct, as much of the available input as possible should be consumed. It is similar, though not entirely identical, to the concept of a greedy algorithm. Application For instance, the lexical syntax of many programming languages requires that tokens be built from the maximum possible number of characters from the input stream. This is done to resolve the problem of inherent ambiguity in commonly used regular expressions such as [a-z]+ (one or more lower-case letter...
 
max imalmunch no wait that's minimal munch
 
@Zoidberg'-- Not enough information.
 
user142019
int i = 0;
i++++;
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Damn it man, I didn't count these :(
 
2:51 AM
@Zoidberg'-- sometimes
 
@Zoidberg'-- That does not mean it cannot ever be valid.
 
Where a member declaration (with in-class initializer) looks like a function definition and/or vice versa.
 
user142019
Oh I love C++.
 
user142019
 
What means that it cannot ever be valid is that fact that there is an even number of pluses, so you can never get a binary + for the second i.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am going to star this as a reply to Rapptz's starred message
 
Actually I think the example I unearthed is good enough, I'm done searching.
 
user142019
three() ->
    I = 0,
    I2 = I + 1,
    I3 = I2 + 1,
    I3.
 
user142019
Who needs mutable objects.
 
What should my dir structure look like when writing a cabal project? Where do I put (internal) modules?
 
2:55 AM
LLVM IR uses SSA.
 
@Zoidberg'-- That's essentially SSA representation.
 
user142019
src/MyProject/Internal.hs
 
Haskell's do notation is also SSA-like.
That makes it super sweet to use with LLVM.
 
user142019
-- In project.cabal you’d have:
main-is:        Main.hs -- optional, for executables
hs-source-dirs: src
 
user142019
Your modules go in /src/.
 
user142019
2:56 AM
At least, calling it src is the convention. You can call it whatever you want.
 
Nevermind, I found the entry in the wiki.
 
user142019
$ cabal init generates a Cabal file and Setup.hs for you.
 
Why are ad-aware not on en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_antivirus_software? Thier wiki page describes them as an anti-virus
 
user142019
It’s a wiki. You can add it.
 
user142019
And every page has a discussion page, you can ask there.
 
3:07 AM
Hey all
 
user142019
Your nickname offends me.
 
Calm down
we're all part of the c family
 
haha
 
lol
 
Hm.. If we have vote to close, why don't we have vote to kick
I think I've asked this before
TIL it used to exist
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Q: Remove the kicking command, or improve it

badpKicking in chat is pretty useless and/or pointless. Everything that happens when you are kicked is, you are sent to the room list. There's no kick message, no "kicked by" message, no kick reason, nothing. For all a user knows, it's either a transient bug or a network hiccup. How is that useful? ...

 
3:10 AM
@Rapptz That's the flagging system...
Which sucks, because we have to annoy all the other rooms as well.
 
user142019
@javac You offend all people who use C.
 
balpha made it pretty clear that revoking write access (for non-moderators) will never be done.
 
@Zoidberg'-- Calm yourself. Don't you all just love my bloated libs and my "write once run anywhere" feel?
:)
 
user142019
You mean “write once, be terrible anywhere”.
 
So the only way to "kick" people is to go into gallery mode and allow everyone else in.
 
3:12 AM
"Do a steaming pile of shit anywhere, watch it rot in real time anywhere"
 
lol
 
@DeadMG lmao
 
Come on guys. Java is good for some things.
 
That shouldn't be funny but god damn it is
 
android
i guess
:)
 
3:13 AM
@javac I've not used it, but it has a shitty, shitty reputation.
 
user142019
Java is good for some things indeed. Like annoying the fuck out of me and making people suicidal.
 
Java was my first language I became successful at
 
the only thing I actually know Java to be good at is a giant sign saying "THIS IS HOW TO NOT MAKE A LANGUAGE"
 
What are all your favorite languages?
mine is C++ and Python
 
user142019
Haskell, and Haskell. Oh also Haskell.
 
3:14 AM
and .NET languages
 
C++ is the best of a fairly bad lot
you can either pick between "We only offer one paradigm and terrible performance and we like enforcing garbage collection because we can" or "We offer multiple paradigms and good performance but we're less user-friendly than the wrong end of an automatic shotgun"
 
"terrible"
 
lol
 
user142019
 
@Zoidberg'-- Haskell looks interesting. I'm on the wiki right now
i like the:
reverse "skcor avaj"
 
3:17 AM
pity the output is "false"
no, wait, that's PROLOG
 
user142019
reverse = foldl (flip (:)) []
 
Prolog would say "No."
 
indeed
 
lol
 
you know
 
3:18 AM
@Pubby That the puppy does not know Prolog is a well-known fact. He does not care.
You know, I had fun with our Prolog assignment in the AI class.
 
user142019
Also, since most of you are European. WHEN DO YOU SLEEP.
 
I'm from America
 
mericur! fuck yeah!
 
YEAH
FUCK YEAH!
GO MITT ROMNEY!
jk
 
they're only the worst Western country in history
 
3:19 AM
They are Eastern.
 
depends on your frame of reference
 
user142019
 
DeadMG is eurocentric pig
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posted on December 06, 2012

Last week, I argued that debugging is more science than art. I would like to continue that discussion with an example from my own experience.

 
3:20 AM
let's face it, Europe is the centre of reality
 
user142019
EUROPE <3
 
user142019
Europe is like you know like the only continent which’s name doesn’t contain an A.
 
Except in other European languages.
 
Fuckeries.
 
Woah,I never realized that
 
3:21 AM
@DeadMG Erm.
 
by the way
I was taught like, three different fucking names for that continent
Australasia, Oceania, all sorts of bullshit
what the fuck is the name
 
No one knows.
The UN uses Oceania.
Some people use Oceania to mean only the little stuff without Australia and NZ.
 
well, the UN is always fuckin' right
 
user142019
The continent is called “Australia” according to Wikipedia‌​.
 
Australasia often means Australia and NZ.
 
user142019
3:23 AM
Oceania is a group of islands, IIRC.
 
49 secs ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Some people use Oceania to mean only the little stuff without Australia and NZ.
 
also
fuck you pirate buddies, y u no upload Fringe?
 
Don't look at me, I don't even watch that.
 
user142019
Antarctica is the only decent continent since there aren’t any moronic politicians who live there.
 
Also, WTF. I bought a domain name and the DNS zone comes preloaded with a zillion entries.
@Zoidberg'-- Anyway, you are European, and have UML class tomorrow or something, no?
 
user142019
3:30 AM
No, I had UML class today.
 
user142019
I have Java class tomorrow.
 
user142019
But it is at 16:00 PM.
 
I need an IRC client suggestion. I don't really want to pay for mIRC.
 
Heeey
it took me a while
But it turns out I was able to flatten teh UcdCompiler.cs so that it doesn't change every single line!
 
@Borgleader Last time I used mIRC it was free.
 
3:36 AM
I clearly remember acquiring it by other means... so I'm pretty sure that wasn't always the case.
 
user142019
Tomorrow in Java class we will learn about inheritance and polymorphism! Yay! Woohoo! I’m so excited1
 
Oh right, it's one of those "I will annoy you with popups till you buy me" software, like WinRar.
 
user142019
For IRC I use Adium.
 
user142019
I didn’t know @sbi smoked carrots.
 
user142019
 
3:41 AM
@sbi is looking good!
 
4:14 AM
I think my wife got rid of all of my christmas decorations! :(
 
@MooingDuck Is she jewish or something?
 
Oceania ( or ) is a region centered on the islands of the tropical Pacific Ocean. Opinions of what constitutes Oceania range from the coral atolls and volcanic islands of the South Pacific (ethnologically divided into the subregions of Melanesia, Micronesia, and Polynesia) to the entire insular region between Asia and the Americas, including Australasia and the Malay Archipelago. or biogeographically as a synonym for either the Australasian ecozone (Wallacea and Australasia) or the Pacific ecozone (Melanesia, Polynesia, and Micronesia apart either from New Zealand or from mainland N...
@Pubby no, just anti-having-stuff-in-closets
 
Does anyone know how to pop out the find/replace box in VS2012?
 
ctrl + f
 
It's stuck to the upper-right corner. I can't get it to pop out like it does in VS2010 and earlier.
 
4:24 AM
oh that
dunno then
I know they overhauled it in VS2012 because VS2010 had like, 9 billion finds and replaces
 
I remember I accidentally popped it out once. So I know it's possible.
 
drag it?
 
@Rapptz Nope, it's pinned.
 
that sucks
 
I remember I managed to pop it out once.
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A: "Find and Replace" text box holds the cursor

JohnIf you hit Ctl-Shift-F or Ctl-Shift-H, you'll open the Find/Replace in files dialog, which is very similar to Visual Studio 2010. Even though it says "find in files", you have the option of searching in selected text and the current document.

 
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4:28 AM
But you didn’t remember you’ve already said that!
 
^^ AH!!!
Thank you Stackoverflow!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How do I use ghci in my workflow exactly?
I'm sorry I'm asking those questions, I don't even know if you're used to writing cabal projects :(
Oh well, program is small enough for me to (ab)use ghci -isrc Main
 
hmmm
no wonder nobody was uploading Fringe, it airs tomorrow.
 
@LucDanton Am not :( Most of my experience with Haskell is from school assignments (though I did a lot of those), and we did not use cabal. The biggest things I wrote were parsers, interpreters, compilers, etc.
I honestly think you may know more about it than I do.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ya no worries, I followed the directions of the wiki which are quite straightforward. Setting up a Hello World is easy and fun.
 
4:39 AM
Ok, I'm going to take five hours of sleep while I still can. Good night.
 
It feels dumb that in my workflow I first type-check by compiling and then go repl-exploring by interpreting what I just compiled though. The wiki has some hints but for library projects only.
 
@Mysticial Ctrl + Shift + F, and Ctrl + Shift + H
You can also just use Ctrl + H for quick find and replace.
 
@ThePhD I don't like the snipped in Find+Replace box
 
@Mysticial Same. I prefer VS2010's find and replace box.
The Shift variant should do the trick.
 
Since I'm used to having the box on my left monitor and the buttons.
 
4:41 AM
You can also just remap Ctrl + F to automatically go to the Find and Replace Box.
That's what I did, and for the regular dumb shit I use like Ctrl + H
 
So in int foo, int is a declarator specifier and foo is a declarator?
 
Ha! Now that I figured how to get intellisense to work, I realized that I accidentally turned off a lot of my loop-unrolling optimizations a few months back when I was refactoring one of my modules.
That's a nice pleasant surprise and free performance boost. lol
And I never noticed it at the time because I had other optimizations that "covered up" the performance loss when I accidentally killed the loop-unrolling macros.
 
Hi everybody
 
hi
 
5:10 AM
hi
 
5:23 AM
Heyooo.
 
@ThePhD How goes programming?
 
@jozefg Shittily.
@Mysticial Free performance boost ftw.
 
Hm? Whats happening?
 
Just having to roll my own unicode for now.
Which is a pain, because I'm redoing it to make it easier to deal with.
 
Yeah that sounds like no fun at all.
 
5:31 AM
@ThePhD Roughly 5% of it by simply re-enabling several macros.
 
@Mysticial How did you turn it off?
 
@Borgleader Originally when I refactoring a lot of code, I needed to have two identical copies of the same 30k-line module - but with slightly modifications to it can compile for both the old mode and the new mode.
So to do that, I duplicated the entire directory for that module. Then I did a find+replace on the entire module identifier.
Notice that my naming system looks like this:
ymb_FFTv2_sk_max_bitlength
The FFTv2 is the module identifier.
It's a way of name mangling. Every single identifier that sits in the global scope follows the same naming convention.
The second token is module identifier.
So when I duplicated the module, I did a Find+Replace on the module identifier of the dupe to keep the two versions from clashing.
However...
When I finished the program refactor and finally removed the original version (keeping the new one with the new identifier)
I forgot to update my tuning profiles to use the new identifier.
 
failcakes
 
So all the tuning macros would apply the original copy (which no longer exists). But not the new one.
But that refactor was so large, that I had a ton of other optimizations in other modules that kicked in.
 
@Mysticial Less name mangling (as the term is normally used) than an imitation of namespaces. But that's pretty much just quibbling over words...
 
5:38 AM
So the performance loss in this module, went undetected. Until now, when I got intellisense to work and I noticed that none of the loop-unrolled code-paths were enabled.
 
Isn't intellisense on by default?
 
@Borgleader Yes, but with the way his headers were set up, it didn't work (was discussed here a couple nights ago)
 
Ah...
 
@Borgleader It almost never works unless each file has all the necessary includes.
@DeadMG Yes, pretty much. Massive fail on my part. :)
It was one of those program-wide refactors that had to be done incrementally.
But the original state and the new state had many incompatible interfaces. So I had to temporarily duplicate a lot of code while the refactor took place.
 
@Mysticial Score one for the advocates of compiler-enforcement (as opposed to testing).
 
5:43 AM
@JerryCoffin Compiler enforcement for what?
 
@Mysticial Well, the usual is static typing and such, but in this case, the compiler (the one that does Intellisense) noting which paths were disabled (which still comes back to much of the same flow analysis).
 
Ohhh this series....
I just finished watching the third episode of Sherlock (which I alluded to earlier). And apparently theres a hidden clue. I <3 writers who do this.
 
@JerryCoffin ah
Part of the problem is that the tuning profiles are completely optional. If you don't specify a parameter, the defaults kick in. (And all the defaults are for minimum code-size with maximum readability.)
 
@Mysticial In that case, I'm rather impressed -- if your refactor did enough to make up for that, it must have been quite effective.
 
Hmm, I want to install VirtualBox on my new desktop, but I dislike all the network drivers it installs and extra network it creates
 
5:47 AM
@JerryCoffin Make up for the performance loss?
 
@Borgleader So install VMWare instead (I'm joking -- it's much worse).
@Mysticial Yes.
 
@JerryCoffin Not to mention you have to pay to not get the severely restricted version.
 
@JerryCoffin It wasn't just a refactor. There were a ton of new optimizations that were added in the process. All these new optimizations were written for the new post-refactor interface.
So there was really nothing to compare against.
 
@Borgleader To me, the restrictions weren't (even close to) the major shortcoming though.
 
All the old code was incompatible with the new code.
 
5:50 AM
@JerryCoffin I've hardly used it, care to elaborate?
 
Everything that I wanted to re-use in the new code went through the messy "temporary duplication" stage to convert to the new interface.
 
@Borgleader I probably shouldn't -- it's probably been three years (or so) since I used it, so if I tried to say anything, at least half of it would probably be wrong.
@Mysticial Yeah -- the minute you mentioned that, I couldn't help thinking how happy a DVCS advocate would have been to expound on the error of your ways...
 
@JerryCoffin haha
Normally it's not that drastic.
But when you change the underlying representation of the entire program. Everything needs to change.
I couldn't think of a better way to do it though.
I was literally unit-testing the new interface against the old one.
So I needed both old and new versions to compile together - hence the temporary code-duplication for everything that was to be reused.
 
@Mysticial This is what OO claims to eliminate (but IME, usually fails). In theory, you should be able to change the underlying representation without affecting the interface. In reality, by the time you've changed the representation enough to make a real difference, you can't hide it behind the old interface without completely hobbling yourself.
 
That's because it's really hard in practice to make a design that allows for this much change
i think that's the problem anyway
 
5:58 AM
@JerryCoffin There was another point of fail on my part dating all the way back to 2008 when I started working on the program.
Had I been a little more careful back then, I could've avoided this whole thing completely.
 
@Borgleader Exactly -- you usually only know where to allow for change after the fact.
@Mysticial If I had a dime for every time I've heard a programmer (including myself) say that, I could have retired years ago!
 
@JerryCoffin haha!
 
@Mysticial You probably lacked the skills and knowledge to do that back then.
No offense.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Definitely.
 

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