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9:00 PM
@ThePhD don't know about good, but someone linked me this...comes with two GTX 670 cards in the default config :P
 
.de . I wonder fi I could actually order from tyhere...
 
@EtiennedeMartel Hélas, non :(
 
Ell
@ThePhD what game are you making? I think I've asked before, but I ferrgot :P
 
@Ell I haven't the slightest clue.
 
Ell
@ThePhD will it be 3d?
 
9:03 PM
@Ell Yes.
 
6 mins ago, by ThePhD
@melak47 I'm going to be doing hardcore raytracing and Game Development - mostly in 3D (basically I need DX11 Compatibility).
 
Ell
and c++?
oops. Sorry, I have a short attention span :P
 
@Ell Some that he wants to pass as that.
 
hey robotsickle
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes are you drunk?
 
9:05 PM
is DX11 cooler than OpenGL 4.3?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hey hey, I'm learning how to do good C++. D:
 
@Kimi DX11 isn't as cool as OpenGL 1.0.
 
Anyone want to test drive Ambrosia?
You need Windows and MinGW GCC (preferably x64 4.7.2 :P)
 
I can try
 
I'm uploading the debug executable to github. Or you could use qmake to build it yourself.
 
9:07 PM
OMG!!! 1 LUV OPENgl!!
 
@rubenvb Whazzis? A product you're working on?
 
@rubenvb I'll wait for the debug exe :)
 
'lo
 
@ThePhD it's a build system.
there's the source
 
DAT glBegin() gives me some of the best boners
 
9:08 PM
The command you need to execute (with GCC on PATH, obviously) is Ambrosia ../path/to/source
 
@Jeffrey ewww fixed function pipeline?
 
if you want to see if any commands throw an error, add -debug=command_exec.
 
@melak47 What makes you say that?
@DeadMG Sup?
 
It should be statically linked.
 
Immediate mode != fixed function pipeline.
They both suck, but still.
Don't use immediate mode seriously.
 
9:10 PM
Immediate Mode is for your earliest days of tinkering.
 
And just about nothing else.
 
@melak47, yey
 
@CatPlusPlus Don't use immediate mode non-seriously either.
 
It's actually harder to setup properly than pure buffer + shader approach.
 
9:10 PM
Exactly.
 
Ell
I think I might get an opengl book for christmas
 
Matrix stacks what the christ
 
@CatPlusPlus Ia ctually found buffers to be a lot harder.
 
Feel free to report any issues you find via github. I'm outta here for tonight.
 
Who ever thought this was a good idea
 
9:11 PM
The matrix stacks though, I just never bothered.
 
@rubenvb Later.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes are you typing on a german keyboard?
 
You need to setup matrix stacks to get right projection.
 
@CatPlusPlus It just resembles how the Hardware would do it when they had Fixed Function Pipeline.
 
It all involves creepy global state and other funny business.
 
9:11 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I've been thinking about a more library-level GC.
 
@melak47 Sometime I forget what layout I am currently in.
 
A serious question: can we use OpenGL3.0+ for a commercial product? I mean: OpenGL3.0 is not widely supported out there. My nVidia for example support only 2.0 :(
 
OpenGL 2.0 was released in 98 or something
Using just 2.0 is fine, that doesn't involve using immediate mode or fixed function
Also every GPU manufactured after 2-3 years after release of 3.0 will support 3.0
Except for Intel
 
2.0 includes all that vertex buffery goodness?
 
We are almost thirteen years into the third millenium.
 
9:12 PM
Fuck them
@ThePhD Yes.
 
@ThePhD Yes.
 
Your typing sucks, robot.
 
How do you avoid using glBegin() and immediate mode?
 
And it's my spellchecker that's broken.
 
@Jeffrey Vertex Buffer Objects and Vertex Array Objects (VBO VAO)
 
9:13 PM
Create a vertex buffer, fill a vertex buffer, submit a rendering batch.
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Why are you using that
 
Still getting use to this shit.
 
Don't use German layout maybe
 
@CatPlusPlus To type umlauts in mails and shit.
 
9:14 PM
Modify international layout if you really need that
 
@CatPlusPlus I am not. But my fingers thought that for a while.
 
often, you can wrap the Vertex Objects in classes and stuff to simulate immediate-mode style calling, but under-the-hood you batch and send off primitives to the graphics card in one happy Vertex/Index Buffer.
 
When I was briefly needing weird German letters, I hid them behind [];',./
Three languages on one layout bitch
That's how good I am
 
so hardcore
 
@ThePhD, I'll look into that...
 
9:16 PM
@CatPlusPlus I'll survive. You just have to endure sucky typing while I train my fingers.
 
There's no point in simulating immediate mode by any means.
Because it sucks.
 
It can be useful for certain things, like if you're only drawing a shitload of quads.
 
Also, stop criticising my typing. I have two words for you: thecosh.
 
@ThePhD What? Why would you use immediate for drawing a shitload of anything?
 
@ThePhD I don't see why I would ever want to draw a shitload of quads by doing "draw this vertex, then that one, then that one" instead of "draw a shitload of quads".
 
9:18 PM
@ThePhD, then you have to use something like glFlush to render it, right?
 
You put a shitload of quads in a buffer, and then "draw a shitload of quads".
Seriously, people.
 
glFlush doesn't draw anything
 
What kind of crazy are you.
 
@StackedCrooked ohmagerd it makes a popup thingy
 
9:19 PM
Don't use glFlush.
 
@StackedCrooked That is neat. And seems to be working. shrug
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's what I mean. But I mean have a class interface that has functions that takes a single quad (or multiple quads) and its parameters and pushes it into a queue that gets flushed to the graphics card at the end of your drawing loop or something.
 
That sounds like overengineering.
 
glFlush flushes the command queue or something, right?
 
Eh, you'll be working with higher-level primitives anyway.
 
9:20 PM
Are we talking about glToilets here
 
@NolwennLeGuen Je me pissais de rire.
 
@ThePhD C++ already has that functionality builtin, and it is called std::copy.
 
Who cares how API for vertex buffer looks like, when you're loading your vertices from models anyway.
And arranging them on a scene.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Ça confirme mes craintes.
 
@CatPlusPlus Particles, yo.
 
9:20 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I still need to add a "Back to editing mode" button in the view. For now you can use a back hotkey (Ctrl-[ on FF I think).
 
Queue-like API doesn't fit, yo
 
Is vbo suitable for 2d?
 
@Jeffrey It's the best way to do 2D a lot of the time.
 
No, of course not. 2D requires unicorn arrays.
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus well... you could be generating them procedurally
however you spell
 
9:22 PM
@Ell so
 
@CatPlusPlus, unicorn arrays... yep
 
@Ell And you generate them into a buffer.
 
@CatPlusPlus holy shit where do I get these
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus then you would care about how the API looks?
 
How big is a task of porting OpenGL app to DX?
 
9:23 PM
Why the fuck do game programmers feel the need to crapify all the interfaces?
Is there some secret gamedev school for this?
How do I get in?
 
Gamedev 101: forget design, let's ducttape shit for performance.
 
@Kimi how big of an app is it?
 
@melak47 theoretical question
 
@Kimi And the answer is "how big of an app is it?"!
 
=l
 
9:25 PM
:P
 
@Kimi O(x*n) where n is the size of the app
 
Newegg points me to a macbook pro when I give ti teh specs I want.
 
is vertex data and projections similar in both?
 
Goddamnit. I don't want your shit Apple.
 
@NolwennLeGuen North Korea.
 
9:26 PM
@Kimi vertex data can be anything you want, and projections should be similar if not the same
 
@ThePhD: Coff coff
 
@NolwennLeGuen Blblblblbbl.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Tu es tellement facile à troller que ça m'ennuie presque !
 
@NolwennLeGuen Je pourrais vraiment pas vous dire.
 
9:27 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's a special kind of tramway.
 
The NVidia Quadro series was designed specifically for doing heavy-lifting with work, right? Like 3-d modeling and stuff?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Frenchify a verb? Add "er" at the end.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Is that a Canadian expression? Because it makes no fucking sense.
 
@ThePhD ...eh
 
@EtiennedeMartel Englishify a french word? Butcher it.
 
9:28 PM
Oh hey look at that Adobe CS6 came out.
 
@NolwennLeGuen Not exactly. More like a Quebec pop culture reference.
 
I never knew.
 
@ThePhD It's almost exclusively for CAD programs. Unless you're using something that already knows how to use its few extra special bits, it's a giant waste of money.
 
@ThePhD I think Adobe CS6 has been out for a while now.
 
@JerryCoffin and enough CAD and modeling programs don't get anything out of it
 
9:29 PM
"Je pourrais vraiment pas vous dire" is actually a quote from a witness during the Gomery Commission.
 
Anything useful in CS6 that wasn't in CS5?
Like did Photoshop become less of a jerk in x64 and stop crashing on me?
 
I work with both, and I have no idea.
 
Hmm... Well, no reason to try and finagle with Adobe and pay their glaring upgrade fees.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Oh. I guessed it would be some low-life reference.
Thanks for clearing that up though.
 
All I know is that some of my tasks involve implementing stuff that is already there but doesn't quite work.
 
9:30 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Does that mean you're doing C++
 
Xeo
This can't be good. I had my vbox running earlier, and now it doesn't start anymore. :|
 
@EtiennedeMartel I really couldn't tell you (or more naturally: I couldn't possibly tell you)
 
@NolwennLeGuen No, it means that Adobe does not know how to make PDFs.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Adobe who
 
Anyways: this would interest you I guess:
 
9:32 PM
@sehe Yes. The Gomery Commission was remarkable in the huge amount of people who claimed they couldn't possibly remember handling large amounts of public money for nebulous purposes.
"J'm'en rappelle plus"
 
@sehe What the fuck
 
@sehe Let's say the Liberals never won an election after that.
 
@sehe What the fuck...
 
@ThePhD Here might be a starting point.
 
9:36 PM
@sehe I don't see how that can fail.
 
@JerryCoffin Whoa what the hell it's only 799.
 
MATLABin again
I love MATLAB
 
I dunno, Matlab is kinda wonky to me.
 
Especially doing automation stuff in MATLAB
 
Submitting homework for that was strange.
 
9:37 PM
@CatPlusPlus Is this opposites day? Tell me it's opposites day...
 
It's i5 core though... Blurgha.
 
I wouldn't mind MATLABin for personal shit
Even if this was more advanced calculator
 
ITT even more Cat-uses-tools-he-hates-drama.
 
Tool is fine, assignment is crap.
 
ITT?
 
Also robot doesn't know drama ITT
 
@ThePhD ...and supports DX11 (though it's only a GT610M, which is probably pretty slow). If you're willing to pay a bit more for faster graphics, you can get that too.
 
@JerryCoffin Look, Win8.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can nuke it off of it.
 
9:40 PM
Eh, more laptops
I want a powerful desktop so much
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm using Windows for a prolonged period of time. I should vent more
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh yay! Imagine my unbridled excitement!
 
I still can't get around to buying it
 
@CatPlusPlus I have a powerful desktop. That's what I'm using right now. But I unfortunately need movement, even if it's super duper heavy.
I think, since my current laptop is dead and I know how to open it up,
I could buy Less Ram and Less HD space and just insert it myself later.
 
Oh look, PID controllers
 
9:42 PM
I must admit that I have had recurring what the fuck related episodes. Especially relating to alt-tab being completely and utterly broken in Win7.
I've resorted to minimizing everything to the desktop (Win+D) first, then Alt-Tab to reach a single window. This increases the time to switch from Vim to the terminal screen by ~3x
 
The last GFXCard I had was.... GeForce 460M I think?
 
Totally related to computer science
 
@CatPlusPlus I had to for some testing right after it came out (literally, the day of general availability). I predict another Vista -- so many people will insist on continuing to use Win7, it'll remain current after Win8 is forgotten.
 
@sehe You seem to cause allergies to Win7.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Win7's loss
 
9:43 PM
@JerryCoffin I was talking about the desktop, I have absolutely no intention of buying Win8
 
@JerryCoffin Windows seems to have a pattern of releasing a shitty version of something, and then improving it with its next release.
Windows Vista was the shitty precursor to Windows 7. Maybe Windows 9 will be the better version of Windows 8.
 
Not if they go further down the TOUCH SCREENS ARE TOTALLY GREAT GUYS road.
 
Thankfully Windows 7 can completely supersede (SP?) Windows XP.
 
@dakn what do the browser buttons do, in Trello?
 
I love PID controllers don't you love PID controllers
They are so relevant to computer science
 
9:46 PM
@JerryCoffin This one actually looks promising.
 
@ThePhD The difference is that Vista wasn't really all that awful, as long as you had the hardware to run it. Mostly Windows 7 just waited long enough that people didn't expect it to run in 1 or 2 GB of RAM anymore. Even with entirely adequate hardware, 8 just blows chunks. Looks like an attempt at a successor to Windows 2, not 7.
 
Though, seeing as my last laptop was Toshiba and died after 2 years...
 
I scratched my head
 
@ThePhD yeah. It is better in all respects! It hogs more memory, it needs more expensive CPUs and graphics cards, costs more money and there are more 'price differentiating' versions (i.o.w. you are welcome to pay even more)
 
@ThePhD For that kind of money it should do a lot more than just look promising.
 
9:47 PM
@ThePhD My old Toshiba lasted six years.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes =[ Why it no gave me the same luck? D:
 
Actually, it is still running since it seems my father found out and fixed the broken solder or whatever it was.
 
@DeadMG Let us know when it happens again
 
@sehe Now he's licking his...well, we don't need to get into that.
 
Dogs. Primitive beings
 
9:49 PM
You know, I can never tell. Is 670M actually better than the 500 or 400 series? Because the 400 series I had in my last laptop actually worked out all the way up until DX11.
 
My 500-something fully supports DX11 and OpenGL 4.2.
That says nothing about performance, though.
 
460M GTX supported DX11 and openGL 4.2 as well, though I never explicitely tried the fancy new Tessellation.
 
(Mine performs very well, thanks)
 
So maybe a 500 level Graphics Card could be best.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You are still on the subject of GPUs, right?
 
9:51 PM
@ThePhD You know, there's a solution for this problem.
 
I mean, it could probably slash the price by quite a lot.
 
it's called "numbers"
 
Xeo
Hey, robot, question. Should something like this be accepted as two different overloads? Or would I need an extra defaulted template param on one of them?
 
and it's this thing where some other unlucky fucker went out and checked how fast they all were
 
9:51 PM
@Xeo Can't see a thing. Complain to Stacked.
 
Xeo
lol
 
and kindly posted them all up for you to see
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes ideone.com/AniUdo
 
Yes, that looks well-formed.
 
Xeo
k, so another MSVC bug.
Complains about redefined function template.
 
9:54 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I had this happen before. The text is there, using Opera in 'user style' shows the text fine
 
CHRIST Macbooks are expensive.
 
@sehe No, it is not. The DOM contains an empty textarea.
 
How can they justify this 2.7K price?
 
... Ah. Right. Lulz.
Best part is its 2.7K without a warranty. ._.
 
9:56 PM
Sleepy time. Good night.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It shows the bloddy text. It can't be empty. Might the dom contain 'stale' data (javascript modifications)? Last time I hunted it down to one particular font-familiy CSS entry on his editor widget thingie (/cc @StackedCrooked)
 
@sehe No, it has no text.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes nop fun
@R.MartinhoFernandes well. It doesn't show any here, either. Yet I can make it appear. I must be supernatural then
 
@sehe Content is created by ajax request. (Which sucks.. But was easiest to implement at the time because I could reuse my code.)
 
@sehe It isn't there to appear.
Dammit.
 
9:59 PM
@ThePhD, here in Italy Apple was forced to give 2 years warranty against their basic 1 year warranty + Apple shitty care (that obviously is not cheap)...
 
Also in Belgium IIRC.
 
Cya guys
I gotta go
 
@ThePhD Have you seen the price of their workstations?
 
@StackedCrooked I'm beginning to think I might not have supernatural powers after all. Sadly (/cc @R.MartinhoFernandes)
 
@StackedCrooked I've only seen notebook prices. Don't think I could stomach anything else.
 
sbi
10:24 PM
Oh shit.
 
FUCK THEY BLOCKED ALL PORTS
FUCKYOUUUU
 
(I don't get it either)
 
wut
 
Silly McGill.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, he did.
Thanks for trying, anyway.
@JerryCoffin Actually, it comes from the same/similar word in Czech, which there is applied to tedious, repetitive work, rather than to work in general, as in Russian.
@ThePhD The company I started to work for two months ago gave me a shitty Lenovo T420s. It's about 2.5x the size of the power block of the Dell MX4400 that my former company gave me. That was really heavy and a pain to carry around ("mobile desktop"), but I loved it.
@FredOverflow I don't. My dislike starts with the Fn key being where you'd expect the Ctrl key, and, according to me, my relationship with could end right there. Alas, the company paid for it...
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ha, you thought you'd get away so easily, bit then @Xeo proved me right. Now, why would we trust you?
@sehe What? Me?! Never.
@TonyTheLion And you failed to tell that many here didn't.
Also, you not only switched names, but also avatar.
 
10:38 PM
Do you simply search for "ape"?
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Nope, it's more complicated than that.
You can't do much wrong by assuming I read the transcript.
So be careful what you say here!
 
sbi
What?
 
ohai
I see I've turned up at the right time
 
@sbi An onomatopoeia for a fart.
 
10:41 PM
anyone know a decent Windows torrent client, other than uTorrent?
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Oh. That explains the lion's entry right now.
 
offs :|
@sbi off course, I can't be called "Tony The Lion" with a Tiger as a gravatar, now can I?
 
@TonyTheLion Sure you can. It's called "throwing people off".
 
I should be called "Tony Whatever The Fuck My Gravatar Is"
then it doesn't matter what it is
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel He isn't good at throwing people. He eats them instead.
 
10:45 PM
@sbi Wokay. Someone posted it in the lounge. I might have assumed it was you since you have a tendency of posting biological research/trivia. Sorry. I might find the reference...
 
lol
Wokay?!
where is Zoidberg these days?
 
@TonyTheLion Tony The Perpetual Identity Crisis.
 
that deserves a star :)
and then it went silent
should I go to bed or should I stay up?
 
Ell
Stayup
 
dat is my dilemma right this minute
 
10:52 PM
stay up in bed :p
 
Do you have a reason to stay up?
 
no
except for this lounge
 
Would anyone mind giving me some advice on promoting my stupid toolchain question? No one seems interested in it, but it's stalled my project. ._.
 
15 inches sounds so...
.... tiny for a display. :c
 
This laptop's only 15 inches and it seems plenty big when it's up close.
 
10:54 PM
Who ready to puff wit me on this #reddit #IAmA @reddit http://instagr.am/p/S3kCnsP9Kc/
huh?
 
@LexiR Is this your first time here? Because this suspiciously sounds like link dumping.
A practice that is frowned upon around here.
 
@LexiR I'm used to like 18.4 inches.
 
@EtiennedeMartel No, I've hung around here before on and off since I joined SO
 
And the screen space was glorious.
 
...But it was...kinda a link dump. Sorry
 
10:59 PM
You're lucky the puppy isn't here, he probably would have downvoted your question.
 

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