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12:06 AM
3 hours ago, by sehe
man slow day today
I'm off to bed. Night!
 
urgh, guys, halp
a bunch of my programs don't run anymore
 
> Swapchain Released while fullscreen. Switch it to the windowed state first.
 
Ell
Night night polar bear
 
Go home, DX, you're drunk.
 
they compile fine, but even launching them in the VS debugger gets me "unable to start correctly (0x000007b)"
 
Ell
12:08 AM
Missing lobraris ?
 
Lol. Lobraris. Took me 12 seconds to figure it out
> Just in case, so you already know that this error is common when your computer has difficulty accessing the hard drive... right? I mean, you already know that this is the kind of error you get when your hard drive is failing... right?
@melak47 ^ see what google hits first. Most likely, your system disk is going bad and it can't read vital things (like kernel32.dll)
 
don't see how that makes sense
other console apps launch fine
 
@melak47 I'd do an emergency backup now - preferrably over the internet. USB if you have to. Then figure it out
 
backup of what?
 
Only take what you can carry.
Then launch eventvwr.exe to see about critical events
 
12:12 AM
relax
missing QtCore4.dll
wish it would just say that :p
 
dependency walker should be able to tell that as well, but it's a bit old tech
 
@melak47 Well the error code does imply more serious trouble. Anyhoops, next time, dependency walker or fusion logging :)
 
actually, the debug version does say that QtCore4.dll is missing. the release version just says 0x00007b
 
Ell
Do a backup anyway, its good for yoy
 
a backup of what?
 
12:15 AM
Ell are you drunk?
 
Ell
A backup a day keeps the bsod Away
And no :L
 
@melak47 Forget it. Don't make a backup. You don't want to.
 
Ell
Just tired
But backups are good!
 
Backups are silver, but duct tape is gold!
 
I keep backups of important files. my programming stuff is also in my dropbox
 
12:17 AM
cough. Drop box. You need backup.
 
notice the "also"
 
(Dropbox is a start, I guess. Also will be very instrumental in corrupting all your live copies in case of a software mishap)
 
Ell
I don't backup anything
But I have nothing of worth
Apart from bookmarks, passwords for convenience
 
you haven't written any programs you'd rather keep?
 
Hey ppl
 
12:29 AM
hey...guy called javac...o.O
 
lol
Yes, I am a Java compiler. Please accept me you cpp fans
 
you might meet some resistance
 
Depends on who. :P
 
Ell
No, I have never written anything of worth :P
 
lol. Come on guys. We're all part of the same family: C
lol
so I was on the Microsoft Windows Store App Dev Page
 
12:31 AM
I use Java. Not as often as C or C++. But I still use it.
 
that stuff was crazy
 
Ell
This is jaaavaaaacccc gets slaughtered by lounge
 
its just like android
apps
:) I would develop for it, but Windows 8 is stupid. Metro is stupid.
How do you ppl feel about VB.NET?
and c#
 
BLERGH
c# is eh, not all that bad....
 
I've heard only bad things about VB.NET and mostly good things about C#.
 
Ell
12:33 AM
They're kewl
 
Never don't either though.
 
I think they're nice
 
who flagged that?
 
Ell
Vb.net is c# with a different syntax
 
you know when im lighting it up
I need a simple language
and thats when vb comes in
 
Ell
12:33 AM
Ruby is simple and awesome
 
when quickly protoyping crap, I sometimes use C#
 
@Ell So is C++
^ said no one ever
 
Ell
Heh
 
@javac The parts it inherited from VB are complete and utter crap. The rest is okay.
 
I program in Java when I just want to get something done and not have to worry about shooting myself.
 
Ell
12:34 AM
I think adding GUI to anything makes it 10x more effort
 
But I use C++ for most of anything else.
 
Not if you use something simple
like jswing
or .NET
i mean the only hard thing is win32
takes forever
and requires so much more effort
 
I didn't think anyone liked VB
 
I like vb
i don' really like c#
 
VB one kind of Australia beer
 
12:38 AM
reminds me of java.
 
you like Java, but you don't like C#
 
and im bored of them beans
 
@javac C# is essentially a better Java.
 
Well, its debatable
 
@javac C# doesn't have beans. It doesn't need to, because what is a convention in Java is a language feature in C#.
 
12:39 AM
beans? the hell are beans?
 
somebody know where i can learn c++ quickly?
 
@javac You don't.
 
I mean i did c++ in 21 days, but only got to liek the 7th day
 
@javac Type inference? Lambda expressions? Better generics?
 
C++ is not a language that can be learned quickly.
 
12:40 AM
true. its a big lumbering one
 
I've slaved over it for a solid 6 years now and I'm still on my knees in front of the guys here.
 
@Mysticial That's because you're doing too much low level stuff.
 
I'm only like 15
and I've been programming for like 5 years
 
lol
 
@javac In VB? That doesn't count.
 
12:42 AM
no
 
Ell
@javac what do you progrogramme?
 
In like java
c++
 
Ell
What applications I Mena
Mean
 
and I just started doing vb 2 days ago
 
What the fuck.
Why do you ask where to learn C++ then?
Actually.
 
12:43 AM
I want to know it better
 
Not a single thing you're saying makes sense.
 
I might be brain damaged right now, but it seems to me like you're contradicting yourself.
 
6 months is probably all it takes to be proficient in C++
 
@Lalaland THANK YOU!
 
12:44 AM
@Pubby I call BS on that. :P
 
@Pubby I've been coding for 10.. years.. :(
 
Yeah, i may seem a little out of whack
but you know i'm at that stage when i want to choose a language
 
@Pubby Full time? Sure, as long as you have proper learning material.
 
to be my main
 
@Mysticial Assuming you know another language
 
Ell
12:45 AM
Yeah I was gonna say, depends if its your job or a hobby or what
 
@Pubby Still... I guess there's different levels of proficient.
Template Masturbation is something I figure will take a while to pick up.
 
Ell
I've been " programming " for like 4 years and can't code jack shit
 
@Mysticial wut
 
@javac A language is a tool. Having a "main" language just makes it more likely it'll turn into a golden hammer.
 
@Rapptz Template Meta-Programming == Template Masturbation
 
12:47 AM
It took me like 25 minutes to learn how to do the basics, it isn't that bad
 
I took the wrong path of learning C++, I was using TMP before I was using std::vector :S
 
@Rapptz But like the stuff that @Xeo does... I mean... I don't know if I should be jealous or afraid...
 
(well, I knew how to use it I just preferred to new and delete every buffer)
 
Most of the stuff I've seen Xeo use is variadic templates
 
You guys must be crazy good
how did you all learn?
 
12:48 AM
We all have our quirks.
 
I'm good at hacking games and software :D
 
I'm known to be on opposite extremes for different things.
 
Xeo
@Rapptz They're simply that convenient!
 
Ell
@javac lots of hours :L
 
I still don't know how to use variadic templates.
 
12:50 AM
I still don't know how to use variadic templates.
 
So I was thinking, could concept proposal be replaced with a prolog engine?
 
@Mysticial And you don't know C.
2
 
Ell
its easy, pop a ... There and bang you can use them
 
^^
 
@Pubby Avoid PROLOG at all costs.
 
12:51 AM
@DeadMG Why?
 
@Ell There's gotta be more to it than that :P
 
Ell
Prolog seems cool
 
because it's a hideous language
it's even worse than functional languages at getting-in-the-way bullshit
 
Xeo
@Rapptz There's nothing special about variadic templates. Think of them as the automated form of repeated Boost.PP generation.
 
Ell
Isn't it that one where you type riddles?
 
12:52 AM
I don't use boost.
 
@Pubby Because @Cicada likes it, and she's always wrong.
 
Xeo
Okay, let's try again: Think of them as the automated form of writing a gazillion overloads / specializations / whatnot by hand.
 
Ell
Because she's french or because shes a woman?
 
ouch
 
Ell
Heh
 
12:53 AM
@DeadMG It's prettier than enable_if and static asserts
 
@Ell Why would I generalize?
 
@Xeo And if it's recursive?
 
Xeo
@Pubby Gimme static if and I'm happy enough.
@Rapptz What's that got to do with anything?
 
I'm just curious
 
Hey Xeo
 
Ell
12:54 AM
@eti because casual racism is funny :P
 
Xeo
"If it's recursive, it's recursive." Not much to say here.
 
@Ell I like to hit racists.
 
Hm.. if you say so.
 
Xeo
@javac ?
 
Oh nothing, just saying hi.
 
Ell
12:55 AM
It's not real racism
 
Xeo
@Rapptz Well, do you have any specific question about "recursing" (variadic) templates?
 
Ell
It's only like the whole Merlin thing this room has going on
 
I heard you're really good at programming!
 
Real racists use bitwise operations
 
Ell
Merkin*
 
12:56 AM
@Pubby wut?
 
Huh, it appears Cicada has changed her name on SO. Weird.
 
@Mysticial I am making nonsense
 
I think I realized that. :)
 
@Xeo Something that prints? I don't know.
 
Xeo
Prints what?
 
@Pubby Yup.
Damn, she's got more rep than me.
 
Etienne de Martel, Montreal, Canada
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Ell
I might sleep soon
 
@Xeo Eh I'll figure it out myself.
 
Xeo
Your real problem might be that you're trying to find problems of two concepts interacting where there are no problems.
 
Ell
12:58 AM
do any of you get the feeling you know you are turning into A dick?
 
@Xeo That's called destructive cancellation.
 
@Pubby What is up with those tags. C? Pointers? That's embarassing.
 
Xeo
@Ell Turning into? Haven't we all been dicks since the beginning?
 
Ell
Writing templates, now you have 2 problems
 
@Xeo I already answered my question with a google search.
 
Ell
12:59 AM
@xeo I think all .of you guys are pretty chill, but I can't help shake the feeling I annoy people more and more, I don't mean to, just little things building up
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel Hers is bigger than yours.
 

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