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5:00 PM
Complex numbers are used heavily in quantum physics, and I'm pretty sure your computer wouldn't work if they didn't work.
 
@CatPlusPlus Then they have an application in the real world, and are useful.
 
Complex numbers have uses in resolving problems relating to conventional mathematical systems; for example, their use in quarternions, which power the majority of 3D games.
 
@Xaade my prof told me they're massively used in electonics
 
30 secs ago, by Xaade
@CatPlusPlus Then they have an application in the real world, and are useful.
 
@Xaade Exactly. And yet, the imaginary number system isn't seen in nature.
 
5:00 PM
The cat in the picture is Schrödinger's, of course
 
@Xaade so, "any mathematical system that doesn't have a representation in the real world, isn't useful.... and may not exist at all.... or even be incorrect" is bullshit
 
@BlackBear Electonics... is that a drink? Electrons mixed with tonic? :)
 
@TomalakGeretkal Electronics are a part of the real world.
 
Tonics drank on elections.
 
@FredOverflow hey, English is not my mother tongue :P
 
5:01 PM
I think you have a different definition of real world.
 
@CatPlusPlus I prefer erectonics, then.
 
@Xaade Electronics is not the same thing as the imaginary number system, buddy.
 
There's more in the real world than just flowers....
 
You cannot observe, in the real world, an imaginary quantity. It simply doesn't exist.
 
We cannot observe.
 
5:02 PM
But we can use complex numbers to produce results that have relevance for conventional mathematics
 
@TomalakGeretkal As do(n't?) infinite quantities :)
 
information is an imaginary quantity
 
There are plenty of things happening in the real world that we can't observe.
 
Conventional quantities do exist (obviously).
 
information do exist
 
5:03 PM
@Xaade Not "cannot at the moment". "shall not". Cannot observe as in unobservable because there's nothing to observe.
 
Again.... I think you have a different definition of real world.
 
@Xaade No, I don't. I think you're just talking nonsense..
 
"cannot" and "shall not" is different
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Don't start.
 
Can you observe a black hole.
 
5:03 PM
lol
 
They definitely exist.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb We are not talking about the C++ standard; outside of the standard, the meanings are governed by context.
 
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And may have a representation of infinite gravity.
 
@Xaade You can observe their side effects ;)
 
5:04 PM
@Xaade The fuck does that have to do with anything?
 
"I cannot speak" (I have something in my mouth). "I shall not speak" (tomalak forbids me).
 
Which means that infinity does have a representation in the real world.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb "I shall not speak" may just as well mean (and usually does) "I have decided that I will not speak today."
 
@TomalakGeretkal Starting questions with "the fuck" is not very scientific.
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By your definition it doesn't because we can't find an infinitely sized flower.
 
5:04 PM
lol
 
@FredOverflow Nonsense!
 
@TomalakGeretkal yes, you forbid it yourself
 
@FredO: It is, however, quite expressive
I quite enjoy starting questions with "the fuck"
 
@Xaade I never asserted a definition. I was blowing the crap out of yours.
 
You shot a big hole out of nothing.
 
5:05 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb No. Choosing not to do something and forbidding oneself to do it are different.
 
@FredOverflow The fuck with science.
 
@Xaade I think we're done here.
 
If particle physics doesn't exist because we can't observe it, a lot of things wouldn't work.
 
I never said anything like that.
 
@TomalakGeretkal i don't think so.
 
5:06 PM
And particle physics are represented by a lot of things that don't make sense....
 
You're completely putting words into my mouth.
 
can you give an example?
does forbidding onesself something imply that you desire to do it?
 
@Johannes: Probably. But I couldn't be less interested in spending time formulating one.
 
@Xaade An infinitely sized flower would be the perfect birthday presents for all the turtles!
"Turtles all the way down" is a jocular expression of the infinite regress problem in cosmology posed by the Unmoved mover paradox. The phrase was popularized by Stephen Hawking in 1988. The "turtle" metaphor in the anecdote represents a popular notion of a "primitive cosmological myth", viz. the flat earth supported on the back of a World Turtle. A comparable metaphor describing the circular cause and consequence for the same problem is the "chicken and egg problem". Another metaphor addressing the problem of infinite regression, albeit not in a cosmological context, is Quis custodiet ip...
 
5:07 PM
I like turtles.
 
Another important application of complex analysis today is in string theory
 
The "American Heritage" dictionary of whatever is not an authority on English, thank you very much
 
so I can say "I forbid you to kiss me" to make you desire to kiss me?
 
Complex analysis, traditionally known as the theory of functions of a complex variable, is the branch of mathematics investigating functions of complex numbers. It is useful in many branches of mathematics, including number theory and applied mathematics; as well as in physics, including hydrodynamics, thermodynamics, and electrical engineering. Murray Spiegel described complex analysis as "one of the most beautiful as well as useful branches of mathematics". Complex analysis is particularly concerned with the analytic functions of complex variables (or, more generally, meromorphic funct...
In other words.... complex numbers have a representation in the real world.
 
Johannes: Also, consider "I [shall not] do something" vs "I [shall] not do something."
 
5:07 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb That's reverse psychology. And I still don't want to kiss you, sorry ;)
 
@Xaade The real world is the physical world.
 
you don't even know whether I'm not a hot girl. I could be litb's sister
 
@Xaade It's trivially obvious that you can't have 3i apples.
 
@TomalakGeretkal Therein lies the difference in our definitions.
 
5:08 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb litb doesn't have a sister
 
@JohannesSchaublitb How come your brother never mentioned you before?
 
@Xaade In that mine makes sense, and yours is a total fabrication? OK
 
@TomalakGeretkal But you can have 3i Macs made by Apple!
 
*groan*
 
5:09 PM
@TomalakGeretkal If you had 3i vibrations in space-time.... then it actually occured.
 
@Xaade Yea, and you didn't.
 
My room has been hijacked by mathemagicians!
 
@Xaade Similarly, if you have 30 joules of potential energy, you don't actually physically have that energy.
 
i don't think that complex number have any bearing in reality
 
@CatPlusPlus Your room??
 
5:10 PM
[disclaimer: no idea whether joules is an appropriate unit for this line of trolling]
 
I AM MISTER SEXY
just to interject in your conversation
 
no it'S MY room, even If i'm not a owner anymore!
 
@DeadMG Then what are you doing here?
 
i still have the book!
 
it's my room and you are all just guests in it
 
5:10 PM
Random starred messages.
 
@TomalakGeretkal If it's your room, then it's also your duty to clean it up!
 
I believe that I can attest that it is in fact sbi's room
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Look at the mess you made by discussing science!
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Where we randomly star useless messages
 
5:11 PM
@FredOverflow i'm not on duty
 
Uncle Lounge.
 
@sbi leaves and no one can conduct themselves.
 
sbi only has two gold badges. that's a bit shit.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb What book?
 
Let's make imaginary badges.
 
5:13 PM
@FredOverflow the magic book of spells and potions!
 
@FredOverflow it lurked around in this hotel room
 
@FredOverflow The Book.
 
@CatPlusPlus Aren't all SO badges imaginary? :)
 
@CatPlusPlus It's all in your head: You received Bronze badge for adding 1 + 2i comments.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Catcher in the Rye?
 
5:13 PM
:)
 
@FredOverflow I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S REAL ANY MORE.
 
Does anyone else get pissed off trying to click the tiny little "reply to this" icon all the bloody time? It's difficult to get to it when you can't even see it until you're really close.
 
You can get userscript that shows message IDs and type them.
 
No, actually I kinda like it.
 
I never use it
 
5:14 PM
@TomalakGeretkal what, this one?
 
@CatPlusPlus I'd like that.
 
never noticed that before :-)
 
@PhilNash The one you clicked on.
 
35 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
And i doesn't really exist.
 
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Q: SE Chat Modifications -- Keyboard navigation and commands for chat

Tim Stone Screenshot Use /command shortcuts to perform common chat tasks: See message history inline: Easily preview replied-to messages: And much, much more... About Legends tell of a prolific Meta Stack Overflow chatter who despised using their mouse above all things. In an effort to keep t...

 
5:15 PM
for (int i = 0; i < n; i++) {
   cout << v[i]; // OHSHI-
}
 
int i;   // definition of i, now it exists
 
@FredOverflow #undef i
MWA HA HA
 
@FredOverflow but it's uninitialised
 
God is real, unless declared integer.
 
@PhilNash Not if it's a namespace static object!
Anyway, that doesn't make it any less existent.
> God is real, unless declared imaginary.
There, I fixed it.
 
5:17 PM
@FredOverflow depends how you define existence
 
Nah, you broke it.
 
If it ain't fixed, don't test it
 
What's the point of tests if you only test correct code?
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Keeps regressions at bay.
 
reputation
(I'm kidding, of course!)
 
5:21 PM
The only reputation a care about is SO rep.
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I should downvote you for that
 
I just received the Sportsmanship tag :)
 
here is the proof that tomalak is much more nerdy than me: alpha.visl.sdu.dk/~tino/pisg/freenode/cpp.html
 
Are you guys seeing other C++ chatrooms? :(
 
I'm afraid to go there.
 
5:24 PM
@FredOverflow there are other rooms? :-o
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Is ##C++ the same room as C++?
 
i thought that all rooms must start with #
not sure
 
All IRC room names start with #, and ## is freenode's convention for unofficial rooms.
 
When I try to join, I get forwarded to #overflow :-(
 
hm it looks like a sine curve
 
5:28 PM
It has +l mode set for some inexplicable reason, which limits the amount of users that can join.
 
i never get redirected to #overflow. hmm
 
@JohannesSchaublitb haha piss off :P
 
You must have some privileges.
 
@FredOverflow There is no such IRC channel as C++. On Freenode, #C++ auto-redirects to ##C++.
@CatPlusPlus Topical, not unofficial.
 
5:29 PM
#right. #I'm #off
 
@CatPlusPlus That's been standard practice across all of IRC for several decades.
 
@tomalak the people in here will handle it with confidence
 
@TomalakGeretkal I don't like it, anyway.
 
> [##overflow] You've reached this channel because the channel you tried to enter has been configured with join throttling (+J). There may be a clonebot attack in progress there, or simply unusually heavy interest. Please leave this channel and try again. Your channel may also be "identified-only" (+r); join #please_register for more information. If you need help, message a freenode staffer or email support@freenode.net .... Thanks!
 
@CatPlusPlus When somebody joins, the limit is raised... but after a delay. It helps to mitigate the damage caused by flood joins.
 
5:30 PM
Aha, I probably need to register.
 
Freenode has +j for that.
 
(I always thought register was deprecated in C++?)
 
hmm, ##c++ doesn't have +l set
 
@FredOverflow yes it is +r
 
oh, it does
why does my titlebar not display it. weird.
 
5:31 PM
*** Mode ##c++ +CPcnprtlf by barjavel.freenode.net
 
something odd going on there
anyway, the limit is 777, several hundred higher than the current number of users
 
Yeah, I've missed +r. :P
 
What is Freenode?
 
Finally, I'm in :)
 
@Xaade yes
 
5:40 PM
I'm obstaining from Google....
 
@Xaade Google?
 
Hmm.... Interesting... will have to save checking that out for later.
32 mins ago, by DeadMG
I believe that I can attest that it is in fact sbi's room
@sbi
 
I don't know, IRC somehow doesn't do it for me...
 
Freenode is a network made of people and server splits.
 
@CatPlusPlus What is a server split? google.com/…
 
5:46 PM
A common occurrence.
:P
 
@Xaade Please, go read an article on IRC or something. How do you not know about it?!
 
IRC network is made of several linked servers, and sometimes parts of the network disconnect. That's a split.
 
I just put the link to show @Tomalak I do in fact google....
 
Well you didn't Google very well. You didn't use the search term "IRC".
In computer networking, specifically Internet Relay Chat (IRC), netsplit is the disconnection of a given node from the previously established network or between two nodes. As an IRC network is an undirected acyclic graph, a split between any two nodes splits the entire network into two pieces. Consider the graphic to the right, which represents the computer network. Each line represents an established connection between the two nodes; each node represents either a server or a user on the network. Therefore, the server C is connected directly to A, which is also connected to B and D. ...
 
Then people panic, start running in circles and scream obscenities.
 
5:48 PM
I want that clang bot over here, is that possible?
 
If server split is bad.... then why is Freenode made of it?
 
Someone made SO-IRC gateway, so it could be.
@Xaade It's a joke.
Question is, will powers that be tolerate bots in here.
 
@FredOverflow Probably with major major hackery.
That's essentially a re-write of geordi's front-end.
@CatPlusPlus ORLY?
 
with a so-irc gateway it wouldn't be too difficult I imagine
 
@TomalakGeretkal Yeah.
 
5:50 PM
@Xaade Made of what?
 
@CatPlusPlus Understood. I figured it was... I thought of legitimate reasons logically (freenode keeps track of server splits so they could be put back together with duct tape).
 
@TomalakGeretkal geordi la forge's visor?
 
@TomalakGeretkal Don't bother.... you can't follow me. It takes getting used to..... @Cat is used to me.
 
5:51 PM
@Xaade I think he just tolerates meaningless garbage more than I do.
no offence
 
then I can finally troll with "function-body" and "noptr-abstract-declarator" references all the way.
 
@TomalakGeretkal Or he can read context?
3 mins ago, by Xaade
If server split is bad.... then why is Freenode made of it?
7 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Freenode is a network made of people and server splits.
 
@Xaade He doesn't mind the lack of it, and makes it up in his head before replying.
@Xaade Being "made of" "server split" makes zero sense at all. It's a meaningless question.
 
@TomalakGeretkal I reposted for convenience.
 
@Xaade That's a really, really lame joke.
To the extent that I didn't even notice it.
 
5:53 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb Don't you prefer RAII over finally? ;-)
 
@TomalakGeretkal I'm not familiar with IRC....
I apologize for not being as informed as you.
 
i prefer SBRM
 
@FredOverflow Finally works where RAII isn't used?
 
7 mins ago, by Tomalak Geret'kal
@Xaade Please, go read an article on IRC or something. How do you not know about it?!
 
5:55 PM
:898512 Well, you can determine its link... or in some browsers, drag the arrow down that appears when you hover the left of the message.
 
@Xaade It's "its", not "it's" ;-)
 
IRC was the technical resource for decades. In some ways it still is.
 
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Ryan Dunn is dead :(
 
:D
@FredOverflow dude, old news
oh, related to the link posting. thought you were late-announcing
 
5:56 PM
I just remembered when Xaade posted that Wikipedia link.
 
@Tomalak You can also drag the hover arrow from another window, or tab, into the text box.
 
Well the twat was doing 130mph so... and all of Jackass was just one big piece of nonsense anyway. Youth being stupidly stupid.
 
The ##C++ IRC room is kinda boring, all they talk about is C++!
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Als
Hey All
Did you notice...
 
sbi
5:58 PM
@Xaade Did you really think this would escape my attention?
 
Oh wait, now they're talking about "Tits and nipples, and also horsecocks." :)
 
lol
"I have decided to stop being involved with StackOverflow, and related sites, as it seems to bring out the worst in me, which was why I left the community the first time. I promise not to be back a second time"
lol
 

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