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7:00 PM
@sbi What was it before? Fee?
 
But hard cap?!?!?!
Diminishing returns is far sexier.
 
@FredOverflow You can view history. :P
 
Wait, is Neil back? For reals?
 
@Xaade I think it's mostly their answer to the question: "How do we encourage the top users to keep coming back day after day after day..."
 
@FredOverflow he's got a named account now, so yeah, looks like it
 
7:02 PM
@FredOverflow The "For Reals" part seems to be the question, but it does seem to fit reasonably well...
 
hard to say if he considers it "for reals" or not. Looks pretty real though, if he continues at this pace
 
How do we know it's not some imposter?
 
@FredOverflow 1) why would anyone impersonate him, and 2) he knows his stuff
but we don't know
 
Hm, or maybe this one is the real Neil, but the first one wasn't? :)
Haha, rhymes with "real deal"...
 
@FredOverflow Then again, we don't know that any account couldn't be (for example) three different people working together...
 
7:04 PM
Sometimes me head feels like three different people living inside...
 
@Xaade (Hiding in horror). Quick an explanation. I shouldn't write when my children are calling me to put them in bed.
 
Usually when I had too much to drink and/or went on a coding spree.
@CatPlusPlus How does that work?
 
@FredOverflow Chat remembers every version of non-deleted messages. You can access that from the message menu. blip
 
@CatPlusPlus Ah, I was right. Well, there wasn't anything else that would have made sense.
 
@FredOverflow Hmm..somehow makes "trifecta" seem like a cool user name...
 
7:11 PM
I got it!!!!
This will work
"Would the real Neil please stand up?"
 
@Xaade Hmm...somehow think "Will the real Neil please kneel down?" is more euphonic, but that doesn't fit his personality very well...
 
@JerryCoffin What are you going to knight him....
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Actually, that was the one that made the least sense. :-x
 
@Xaade No -- I just like the rhyme between Neil and kneel...
 
@CatPlusPlus blip We're adding sound effects. That would make typing hard. W click o tack .... crap.... when I type a sound effect I make another.... W c c l ZOMG..... (X_X)
 
7:18 PM
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Neil is back. Hi Neil!
 
He might see that.
That's an idea.
Every so often have a rep race, where there's a temporary reset... then see how fast people get to X.
Hey.... don't anybody be lame and mention that you can see how people do over x period of time.
That's not the same thing... well....
 
@Xaade With the rep cap, faster acquisition of rep mostly depends on how many of your answers get accepted. Unfortunately, the person asking a question often lacks knowledge of that subject area (that's why they're asking, after all) and so is in nearly the worst position to judge which answer is really the best. Secondarily, it becomes mostly a question of picking popular subject areas. Technically challenging questions in obscure areas rarely gain much.
 
@Xaade Yeah, I don't actually get the sound.
 
sbi
@AProgrammer Wow. I'm at #105 all-time rank. I didn't know that. However, I'm constantly loosing rank since I first hit the chat. :)
 
7:29 PM
I'm #1410!
 
So me and a coworker have this idea.
A program that has two icons, one with pacman's mouth open, and one with his mouth closed. It starts off naming itself A, A creates B, B deletes A.... this goes on until it's permutated every letter combination in alphabetical order.....

It would look like pacman is eating your files.....

MWA HA HA HA
 
hello again
just watched a documentary about people in the very north of green land and norway
where it's dark for part of the year and light for the other
wow it's weird to think that people live tha tway
 
sbi
Mhmm. According to stackoverflow.com/users, SO currently has 421,541 users. According to stackexchange.com/leagues/1/alltime/stackoverflow/…, 575,246 of those have less than 200rep. <sarcasm> I'd call that an overwhelming majority. </sarcasm>
 
@sbi so we actually contribute a lot
 
The leagues page says there's 600k users.
 
sbi
7:35 PM
@CatPlusPlus Mhmm. Where did I make an error?
 
> total users: 619,716
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, I see that now.
 
@sbi your all time rank is far far better then mine
wow
I suck it seems
:P
 
sbi
But stackoverflow.com/users for me shows 4x9 users on a page, with 11,709 full pages, and 17 more users on the last page. Isn't that 421,541?
 
@CatPlusPlus what's the syntax for quoting like that?
 
7:37 PM
@TonyTheTiger > foo
 
> foo
hmmm interesing :) thx
 
sbi
Wow. Now there's 4x9 users on that last page, too. This site is growing fast!
 
@sbi that's what I got
@sbi I wonder if people aren't making double accounts and all that
I mean, those user12354 type accounts seem rather temporary to me
 
@sbi Mostly a question of what users you track. As you can see toward the bottom-right of the leagues page, the vast majority of user accounts have reps lower than 200, so it makes a huge difference what lower cutoff you use to distinguish real accounts.
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin What do you mean, "real accounts"? Are there "unreal accounts"?
 
7:41 PM
only 27 users with over 100k rep
 
@sbi : I just made 20 more accounts.... those are real?
 
@Xaade Probably real enough to sell to investors.
 
@sbi No, imaginary ones (and a whole plane of complex ones). The leagues page doesn't track users with rep lower than 200 (other than giving the total number). I suspect (but have never tried to confirm) that the users pages don't show all possible accounts either, but probably have slightly different criteria to decide what to show or not. SO has always had some rather strange inconsistencies like this...
 
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Q: I need help to locate a my malloc error

YotamHi, I get a malloc error when I run my code: *** glibc detected *** ./bin/mem: malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x000000001951fbd0 *** ======= Backtrace: ========= /lib64/libc.so.6[0x300ac739ac] /lib64/libc.so.6(__libc_malloc+0x6e)[0x300ac74cde] /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.6(_Znwm+0x1d)[0x2af27...

That's why I don't earn rep.... I spend too much time making comments like those.
 
sbi
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Q: Which one is the real number of users on Stackoverflow?

sbiAccording to http://stackoverflow.com/users, SO currently has ~421k users. (I see 9x4 users on a page, with currently 11710 pages, which makes 421,560 users.) According to http://stackexchange.com/leagues/1/, there's currently 619,716 users. Where does the difference come from?

 
7:46 PM
Silly @sbi, Don't you know anything about quantum physics. Everytime you measure the number of SO users, you alter the result.
Therefore, the leagues page is an approximation, based on probability.
 
sbi
@Xaade Anthony has provided a much better explanation. :)
 
Then I'll post mine.... it'll be a comment woar!!!
 
It's meta, they'll mysteriously disappear.
 
sbi
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A: Discrepancy between user counts on Leagues versus Users page.

ChichirayThe users page doesn't cover unregistered users.

 
@sbi I thought you didn't like meta?
 
7:51 PM
What's an unregistered user, though? Some kind of Stack Overflow underground?
(I thought that was our job!)
 
@sbi Unregistered users? What a strange notion. I think I'll rapidly have 1G unregistred users on my site.
 
1G.... Can I have 1G.... I'm a newb and need new armor.
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger I don't like going to work either, and still do it. :)
 
(Wild guess: user registered on other stack exchange site but not on SO)
 
@sbi ok I can live with that :)
 
7:53 PM
@AProgrammer nope
 
Naw, I'd rather go with anonymous users.
 
@Xaade what drug did you take?
 
sbi
@Xaade That's a question, not a drug.
 
Drug is internet.
 
7:54 PM
@sbi I quite enjoy work, since I made my hobby my job, I do enjoy it :) Seems that is different with you however?!
@CatPlusPlus drugnetz
 
@TonyTheTiger All of 'em
 
@Xaade explains a lot :P
 
@Xaade That's a lot of drugs!
 
@CatPlusPlus When you take every drug that exists, they all cancel out. You should try it.
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Baaad question. (We had that before, hadn't we?)
 
7:56 PM
@CatPlusPlus Oh look..... Catnip
 
@Xaade I think I'll pass. And not out.
 
sbi
@Xaade So this would solve all the world's drug problems. They're all gone now.
 
@sbi I seriously.... don't need any drugs ever.
I am my own drug.
And I get buzzed on a few sips of 10 proof.
 
Again with those silly units.
 
I know right?
 
7:58 PM
Tsk tsk.
 
Why double percent....?
And call it proof
Are we trying to fool someone.
 
Somebody didn't like maths.
 
@sbi no we didn't, or not as far as I remember. I know I have asked you some bad questions in the past, but not this bad one. :P It is still your choice as to whether you answer.
 
Alcohol proof is a measure of how much alcohol (ethanol) is contained in an alcoholic beverage. The term was originally used in the United Kingdom and was defined as 7/4 times the alcohol by volume (abv). The UK now uses the abv standard instead of alcohol proof. In the United States, alcoholic proof is defined as twice the percentage of abv. The measurement of alcohol content and the statement of this content on the bottle labels of distilled beverages, also called liquors or spirits, is regulated by law. The purpose of the regulation is to provide pertinent information to the consumer. ...
 
@Xaade who would know about that these days?
 
8:00 PM
Apparently... 100 proof used to be how much % alcohol to combust gunpowder.
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Merkins.
 
We just simplified the math for dummies.
Instead of 5x.xx%, it's just 50%.
So in fact, today's 100 proof, isn't proof at all.
It's just under proof.
 
sbi
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Q: Unregistered User?

Erik BI looked at someone's profile and it said Unregistered User. What does that mean?

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A: Unregistered User?

ChichirayThey haven't registered themselves on the site by OpenID. They are by a long living cookie tied to a specific PC/webbrowser. They won't be able to login using the same account on other PCs/webbrowsers.

(To spare you the trouble of clicking the link just to learn what unregistered users are.)
 
@sbi thx for sparing us the energy of a mouse click :P
 
This is far more practical, yes?
A standard drink is a notional drink that contains a specified amount of pure alcohol. The standard drink is used in many countries to quantify alcohol intake. It is usually re-expressed as a measure of beer, wine, or spirits for convenience. One standard drink always contains the same amount of alcohol regardless of container size or type of alcoholic beverage. The standard drink varies significantly from country to country, from 7.62 ml (6 g) of alcohol in Austria to as high as 25 ml (19.75 g) in Japan. Alcohol The value of one standard drink does not necessarily ...
 
sbi
8:05 PM
@TonyTheTiger For anyone further interested in the subject, there's also meta.stackoverflow.com/q/70481 and meta.stackoverflow.com/q/44557/133368.
 
@TonyTheTiger It's the trouble of closing an opened tab that's more bothersome than the initial mouse click.
 
@Xaade open a new tab
@Xaade oh I see
can't chat here if you're not registered
that would be a disaster for me, thinking about it already gives me withdrawal symptoms
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger OTOH you might get some work done.
(Boring, I know.)
 
@sbi true, I would get more work done :P
 
sbi
Anyway, I haven't worked in hours, so I might as well pack and go home.
 
8:14 PM
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Q: C++ : Loads of Questions

Olly ThompsonHi everybody, I have some fundamental questions regarding C++. I hope your answers will help me get firm grasp of the basics. Many tutorials suggest that some overloaded operators (especially '+' and '-') be declared as friend functions instead of public member methods. Is this actually a good...

@sbi sounds like a plan
 
ohh neil is back?
 
@JohannesSchaublitb where did you get that idea from?
 
from the idea giver
 
@JohannesSchaublitb lol
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb But I haven't said a word to you!
 
8:20 PM
oh shit, never even looked at the tag line :P lulz
@sbi :P
 
sbi
SO questions which could be auto-answered. Q: Is this thread safe? A: No
 
@sbi Q: Is this question stupid.... A:...
 
sbi
@Xaade Yours is much rarer asked, though.
 
I guess some advanced users are getting frustrated by the sheer number of silly questions that have to be answered or closed
 
@TonyTheTiger : Yo.... that dude copied his homework onto SO.
 
8:22 PM
@Xaade yep, got closed rather quickly
some people seem to think we will do the work for them
 
Some people will do the work for them. :P
 
oh isn't he the real neil?
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb How would we know?
 
you might as well say Roger Pate is back...
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Actually he is, only he doesn't use his real name anymore.
(He told me he's even been here in the chat.)
 
8:26 PM
@sbi oh really
wow
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger No, I'm just kidding.
 
Like a ninja.
 
guess he wouldn't be answering so many questions either any more
 
@sbi Tooth fairy doesn't count.
 
@sbi lol
 
8:26 PM
Unless I see the scars on his hands....
 
sbi
@Xaade Huh?
 
@sbi If you can't fathom me... it proves I'm real.
Or..... you're losing your mind.
Either one's funny.
 
sbi
@Xaade I can't fathom some spam that arrives at my spamtrap account either. What does that prove?
 
@sbi It's real?!?!?
 
@sbi oh a spamtrap account... hmmm
 
8:29 PM
@sbi Are you listening?
 
sbi
@Xaade Yeah, of course, it must be me!
(Just keep agreeing to the guy, everybody. The doctor's on the way.)
@Xaade Yeah, since FF started beeping today, I can now listen to you replying to my messages. Why do you ask?
 
@sbi @Xaade lost the plot a while back :P
 
@sbi Cool.... always was curious what an ape would look like in a Straitjacket : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straitjacket
@sbi beep
 
sbi
@Xaade Uh, dangerous?
 
@TonyTheTiger There's a plot????
 
8:33 PM
can anyone please explain Tom's post to me
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A: Why is it disallowed for partial specialization in a non-type argument to use nested template parameters

Tom WilsonPartial specialisation requires that the non-type template argument be resolvable at compile time. At this point template<int N> struct A<N, !(N % 5)> { /* ... */ }; N is a variable that can take more than one value and the compiler is unable to calculate N % 5 with certainty. ...

 
@FredOverflow I'm not the crazy one.
 
isn't it the whole point of a partial specialization that the value is not yet known? oO
 
@Xaade proves my point!
 
sbi
We've been talking about you, @Neil.
 
lol @NeilButterworth you're the new superstar
 
8:35 PM
@TonyTheTiger What's the plot, and why would it matter if I lost it.
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb I wouldn't exactly call that new...
 
yes, you were always in @sbi's heart.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb creepy
 
aww, that's sweet
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb Ugh. Who said that?
 
8:37 PM
@Neil is a bot?!?
 
i feel it in the air
 
sbi
@jalf Do you think so? Look again at my avatar. Would you want to be in that thing's heart?!
 
@sbi More than likely end up in its gizzard.
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb Dude, you're hundreds of kilometers away from me. I don't know what you feel in the air, but I'm very sure it's got nothing to do with me. (I had a shower this morning.)
 
8:39 PM
@sbi it's the thought that counts!
 
@Neil isn't typing anything..... he must be a spy!
 
user711998
This doesn't look like my kind of thing guys - bye!
 
@sbi It's Japan he's feeling...... ah the radiant warmth.
 
sbi
@Xaade Yeah, that's actually Jeff's sockpuppet! Ha, Jeff, we've seen through you!
 
8:40 PM
@NeilButterworth Well, at least I can say I've met you.
 
sbi
@jalf You know, for once I'm tempted to agree with @Xaade. That is a creepy thought.
 
wait, it's his first message ever in this channel
 
@JohannesSchaublitb WTH... he's not a newborn.
 
sbi
Anyway, as I said before, I really should be going home.
See you guys!
 
@NeilButterworth You know, you didn't even need to read the chat. Just look at the starred column.
 
sbi
8:45 PM
#stackoverflow std::adjacent_find(users.begin(), users.end(), "Neil Butterworth") == users.end(); ?
 
hah, I feel strangely vindicated now! Finally someone else who thinks the chat is overrated!
 
Yeah I really don't get that.....
There aren't two Neils....
Which is to say, there aren't two consecutive Neils.
 
@NeilButterworth :D.
 
@Xaade doesn't matter at all
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Although I'm not sure it's really correct, if I had to offer an explanation, the word "nonsense" would probably figure prominently...
 
8:59 PM
lol
 
I shift-tabbed for lol...... sigh need better discussion.
 
9:18 PM
@JerryCoffin thanks for your answer!
 
10:01 PM
Is this a room for "C"?
or just C++
 
neither
it's for people
 
but it says "Lounge<C++>"
lol
is there a chat for C or Linux?
I've got some problems
 
there's a few good Q&A sites out there -- somewhere, I forget where -- if you have a question
if you want to chat, you're welcome to join us here
 
Oh ok, well basically, I have Ubuntu [Linux] and am trying to compile a driver
not sure if anyone is familiar with linux, and/or driving compiling [with a Makefile]
 
cpx
@Matt There's a C room here chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/475/c
 
10:08 PM
oh wow, cool! Thanks @cpx ............ errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr........
O_O..... last message: 9 days ago
 
heh, "Last message posted 9 days ago."
 
cpx
lol
 
Well I posted a Q on SO
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Q: Can't compile qc-usb driver?

MattUbuntu 11.04 64-bit [Tried on SuSE 32-bit, and got same error], I have gcc, and can compile normal C programs.. and the linux headers in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6* I downlaoded this driver: http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/#download downloaded, extracted, ran make all and this is the output matt...

If anyone knows anything about linux, plz read :)
 
@Matt: you might try askubuntu.com
 
cool
I'll check it out
 
10:14 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb Surely.
 
so then
I have more work to do, and I'm still procrastinating past the point of no return
 
@FredNurk thanks for the link, I am chatting in the Ubuntu room
bye!
 
Is this the real Neil Butterworth?
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A: fstream end of file question

Neil ButterworthYet again! Apart from anything else this: while (!inFile.eof()) { cout << "HEY"; inFile.getline(buffer, 100); should be: while ( inFile.getline(buffer, 100) ) { cout << "HEY"; as a moments thought or a consultation of your documents for eof() will...

 
no way to tell, unless he said it was from one of his established accounts (like his hell-spawn letters blog, but that's defunct)
 
it was my understanding that he was Officially Backā„¢
 
10:21 PM
drama, drama
 
hello
s
what's up
rt
gfgfgf
sd
 
10:39 PM
@JohnDibling though incidentally, I think abuse of eof() (and good/bad) is possibly the c++ question most asked
 
@Fred: I didn't really read the question or the response. Was just wondering if that's really Neil, or some imposter.
 
11:01 PM
good evening
 
@NeilButterworth: are you the same Neil that was previously SO?
@JohnDibling that can't be worse than us guessing :)
 
11:21 PM
man
I'm doing some Law work about data protection
having to read about some horrific crimes where storing DNA was a critical component of conviction
 
previously on* SO, sigh
 

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