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9:00 PM
Scroll down, it's on the rhs
@Mysticial 179
 
134? That's far.
You guys edit very little.
 
I don't actively search for things to edit
 
@Xeo This? Edited 0 2?
 
I only edit things as I come across them...
 
Me too.
But I edit lots.
Well, I used to, before finding chat.
 
Xeo
9:01 PM
Badge progress

 Copy Editor
179 edits (35% done).

 Electorate
260 question votes (43% done).
 
I'm probably gonna get Legendary before I get Copy Editor...
 
@Xeo Ah, maybe that doesn't show if I already have them?
 
Xeo
Heh
 
days represented 109
rep cap was reached via rep from upvotes *only* on 88 days
earned at least 200 reputation on 95 days
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes Very well possible
 
9:02 PM
and my rep-page looks retarded today...
 
9:14 PM
guys,
my SO tshirt arrived today
 
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Q: Can we bet rep?

R. Martinho FernandesI remember once someone in chat tried to bet 100 with someone else about some silly thing. Something like, "I bet you 100 rep this you can't tell what animal is in this picture!" At the time, it wasn't really feasible for the loser of the bet to pay up, so we probably had to beat him up instea...

I posted it!
 
You can use Facebook likes at Burger King, I think.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb pics or didn't happen
 
Xeo
Interesting
 
9:16 PM
pics of shirt?
 
@JohannesSchaublitb yes
 
What did you think he wanted? Pics of you without the shirt?
 
@Xeo those are not japanese letters, it's "BAD EYES" in English.
 
Xeo
@AlfPSteinbach No, really?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes he could have wanted pics of me with the shirt
 
9:18 PM
Yes, you know, Latin letters.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Can you please quickly edit this room out of that question? No need to draw the attention of the meta police!
 
Xeo
Fast, the edit won't be logged!
 
i don'T like when ppl edit my posts within 5 minutes
because then ihave no way to revert their edit
 
so it is NOT a good thing to do it within 5 minutes
it is mean
 
9:20 PM
We know nothing about logic and it is suck. lol what?
 
Xeo
> if I became the bookie on?
I thinkg you need to edit a little more
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Er, if someone else edits within the five minute window, it still shows up.
 
but i cannot revert to an edit of mine done within the 5 minute frame
 
@Xeo What can I say, I'm bad at censorship.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes i once learned to draw sheep and goat. sheep is curly, goat is zigzaggy
 
9:20 PM
if he overwrote an edit of mine because they clashed
 
@sbi Done. But why would it be bad to draw the attention? We're not betting yet.
 
And they already know we're a bunch of anarchist renegades anyway.
 
@sbi that's not the shirt
 
9:23 PM
> I don't know. Beating people up sounds like much more fun. – The P.G. Rep Mining Co. 3 mins ago
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb That's mine.
 
very probable
 
@sbi What is that, a unicorn made of code?
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Speak after me: "The attention of the meta police is always bad." Repeat this 20 times. Do that thrice a day.
@FredOverflow The "code" is the famous XML/regex answer.
 
@sbi Oh, that's awesome! Can I see a closeup?
 
sbi
9:26 PM
Wait, why don't you have your own shirt, @Fred?
 
days.each do 3.times do 20.times do puts "The attention of the meta police is always bad." end end end
Done. Ruby is awesome.
 
sbi
@FredOverflow I only have this lousy dumb phone camera. I'll try, but it will very likely not come across.
 
@sbi I didn't even know there were shirts.
Also, I'd probably need a credit card or something to order it, right?
 
@sbi At least yours generates actually viewable things.
 
9:28 PM
Ugh, don't picture-google "closeup". Especially, don't look at the third result.
 
lol
Now everyone's doing it.
 
@TonyTheLion Only our solar system revolves around the sun. That's hardly "the world", is it?
 
you pedant
 
There's no other world.
 
sbi
9:29 PM
What's wrong with that?
 
Anyone wanna take a look at this stale question I posted a few days ago: stackoverflow.com/questions/8528446/elusive-queue-program-bug
 
@sbi That's not hideous or anything.
 
@sbi I got a completely different picture. Must be because of my German Google or something.
 
sbi
@FredOverflow They gave away shirts for high-rep users. Months ago I picked mine. Mine only arrived last week.
 
@sbi Gave away? You mean for free? Guess I'm not high-rep.
 
9:30 PM
@mwmnj it seems you're asking others to do your debugging for you?
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Mhmm. I'm at google.com, that's true, but I'm also in Germany.
 
some tips: (1) use a debugger, (2) be clear about what should happen, (3) check if it does?
 
@sbi Does [this](http:/www.google.de/search?q=closeup) show a different result?
 
@FredOverflow That's not a picture search.
Also, markdown fail.
 
right, cut too much off, wait
 
9:32 PM
closeup result ^
 
Xeo
Okay, I can game the edit count system. Retag to and add a space somewhere.
 
@Xeo You're mean.
 
she looks boring tho
 
So "closeup" gives girl face pictures?
 
sbi
9:33 PM
@FredOverflow Yep, but also nothing bad at the 3rd spot.
 
Why am I the only one getting this picture?
 
You can look at the history if you're interested :)
 
@Alf P. Steinbach, no i've tried to figure out where the bug is for quite some time now
 
9:33 PM
also a closeup result
 
This is a new type NSFW
 
@FredOverflow ugh
 
@JohannesSchaublitb urgh
 
@FredOverflow eww xD
 
@FredOverflow Do you have SafeSearch on?
 
9:34 PM
@FredOverflow that is disgusting. No one would be interested in that surely! lol
 
@FredOverflow Thanks for del'ing that :)
 
I figured it would get deleted, anyway :)
 
Maybe you've been searching for porn and forgot to turn it off?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I CAN SEARCH FOR PORN?!?
 
9:37 PM
Yeah, right, try to look ignorant now.
 
this is a free world, you can search for pron yes
 
@FredOverflow im sorry in my pics one cannot read the text either :(
 
@JohannesSchaublitb I want to see them, anyway.
 
here is my search with pr0n filter off: google.no/…
 
9:39 PM
i erased them already xD
 
the arm or whatever is fifth pic
but i think everyone gets a unique set of pictures
 
@AlfPSteinbach Right... arm...
 
where @CatPlusPlus when you need him ?
lol
 
@AlfPSteinbach eww that open arm where you can see the blood and bone is disgusting xD
 
9:45 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb dude...
 
lol
@FredOverflow why you say "dude..." :/
now i feel guilty :( please clarify
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Because that pic is just... dude...
But don't worry, there are worse pictures further down.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb now yo're talking terminat0r
 
9:48 PM
@sbi nice!
 
folks
is that a unicorn?
or did they want to resemble the SO logo and failed
 
@FredOverflow You looked further down?
 
good that you cannot sort the pics by level of disgust
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I did, and I wish I hadn't. Here is a harmless diversion:
 
lol
mitten im leben is just actors
 
9:51 PM
If your tweets are "annoying to the users" you can get banned from Twitter.
 
but some other stuff on RTL is real, but no less idiotic
 
@JohannesSchaublitb I don't care, the picture is funny.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Wow. This is disturbing.
 
i thought Twitter is on the Good side -.-
 
9:58 PM
> The profile you are trying to view has been suspended. To return to your home timeline, click here.
At least he's not yet an unperson.
 
sbi
Wow. I just found out that my dumb phone (€30 with a two-year contract) actually supports tethering. I'm impressed.
 
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Q: char* conversion and aliasing rules

user1086635According to strict aliasing rules: struct B { virtual ~S() {} }; struct D : public B { }; D d; char *c = reinterpret_cast<char*>(&d); A char* to any object of different type is valid. But now the question is, will it point to the same address of &d? what is the guarantee made b...

 
10:16 PM
> The faq says: "Stack Overflow is for professional and enthusiast programmers" - sorry, but what you suggest is simply not professional thus does not fit to this place. – Shadow Wizard 5 mins ago
Someone took me seriously with that bet thing.
 
What happened?
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes lol, if we would really abide that tagline of SO, we'd have to delete 80% of the questions
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@EtiennedeMartel I asked a silly meta question.
 
@sbi If I was that guy, I would kick down that lady's door, and urinate all over her sound system.
 
That's deserved.
 
10:22 PM
Woops
 
> Its quite common for stupid and gross inconsideration to walk hand in hand...in the moonlight, on the beach, making retard backwards-evolution babies.
 
Xeo
user image
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Photoshop ftw
 
Why are they playing in red jam?
 
OMG the mud looks so real!
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Mine arrived a few days ago
 
10:33 PM
@DeadMG Are you gonna buy the new zelda?
 
I don't own any Nintendo platforms
nor have I since the Nintendo 64
man, the Lord of the Rings are such boring films
 
@DeadMG Wut
 
@EtiennedeMartel You don't know what "boring" is?
 
That's crazy talk.
 
oh come on, it's been 3000 years since the last war against the Orcs and nobody invented guns yet?
that's stupid
 
10:39 PM
lol
 
and they have tiny cities and armies
where the fuck did they get the manpower to construct more than about 10% of the shown fortifications?
 
@DeadMG Budget-related issues.
 
Right, try to make sense of a fantasy setting. That's really productive.
 
also, they appear to be bout 90% soldiers
 
@DeadMG The Rohirrim are 100% cavalry.
 
10:40 PM
it's not about "This setting uses magic" but "The people in this setting behave like fucking morons"
 
I've seen better trolling on the StarCraft 2 forums.
 
because Gandalf has been plowing around fireworks
what, nobody thought to shoot an Orc with a firework?
it's not a massive logical leap
 
except...
 
anyway, it's not that the setting is terrible, but that the people in it are idiots and even within the setting, half the events make absolutely no sense
 
10:42 PM
"I can try firing a stupid, unreliable, impossible-to-aim firework rocket at that orc, or I can blast him with fucking magical fireballs. Hmmmm"
 
only Gandalf gets the magical fireballs
 
I wonder why people don't bother with using fireworks offensively then.
 
The Uruks did.
 
@DeadMG and whenever there's trouble, Gandalf shows up
 
everyone else has to run up to the Orc and try to best him in a game of "Who gets stabbed with a massive iron implement first"
 
10:43 PM
That's called narrativium.
 
and yeah, it's a basic premise of fantasy settings that they never ever get better at anything whatsoever
 
yeah
no longbows or crossbows?
 
'Progress' is a modern take on things.
 
and they have crappy wooden gates instead of portcullises
 
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WTF lol
 
10:44 PM
and they didn't set them back so they could dump boiling oil on whoever tries to smackit down
 
it wouldn't be fantasy if people went around learning stuff
 
@DeadMG You're also forgetting the invisible magical stone doors.
 
then it'd be sci-fi
 
it's not just that they have castles which are unrealistically large given the population size and strength, they also suck at building them
 
Invisible magical stone doors > porticullises.
 
10:45 PM
when Earth people built massive stone castles, they were way stronger
 
The gate of Minas Tirith was supposed to be made of some special very hard to break metal. I don't remember how it was depicted in the movies.
 
fantasy is about how awesome things used to be, and about heroes trying to maintain the status quo vs badguys trying to speed up the slow, inevitable slide towards apocalypse
progress does not exist
 
@RMartinhoFernandes As a bunch of wood.
 
which is also why the older a sword is, the more powerful it is
 
Also see: Golden Age myths.
 
10:48 PM
well, I guess that as a Man of Science™, I should just stand by my previous assertion that they are most silly.
 
or entropy. Fantasy settings are all entropy. Everything is gradually getting worse, and the best you can do is slow down the process a bit
 
@jalf Well the real world is also subject to entropy.
 
it's just usually getting better, not worse
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes You know, you should actually mask the link behind something like tinyurl
 
10:51 PM
@LucDanton yes and no. The universe as a whole is. The particular planet on which a story unfolds is not
In fantasy settings, it applies to everything. Magic was more powerful way back. They had better technology, greater heroes, better weather, friendlier elves and sharper swords
and there is nothing to be done about this
It is fundamentally impossible to forge a sharp sword today
 
@jalf And Ent-wives. Don't forget the Ent-wives.
 
because of the sword-entropy. It is impossible to become the greatest wizard ever, because of magic-entropy
and so on
 
@jalf But you can reforge an old broken one. And make it thrice larger in the process.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes yes, but the best you can hope for is to maintain the strength it had back when it was first forged
no one ever heard of a fantasy sword being stronger than it used to be (unless it happens as part of a prophecy planned by the ancients)
 
11:05 PM
> no one told me I had to act like a responsible adult. This sucks! – jalf 1 min ago
lol
 
Does anybody remember Space Taxi?
 
I guess I didn't make the silliness of the question obvious enough.
 
@FredOverflow Das ist nicht okay. Sie sollten nach etwas, was wir alle verstehen.
 
Xeo
I think that Kevin didn't get that the system is already usable like that.
 
Sometimes I fear it's my communication skills that are at fault.
 
Xeo
11:09 PM
@ManofOneWay You're missing a verb in the first part of the second sentence.
 
I hate german.
 
If I understood German, I'd hate it too.
 
@ManofOneWay Just ignore the two idiots and enjoy the game.
 
struct { void f(); } x; void decltype(x)::f() {} This is not valid?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes can't be
 
11:14 PM
Why not?
 
What is void someothertype {} supposed to mean?
 
i'll have some tea
 
@FredOverflow That's not what I have there.
struct { void f(); } x; typedef decltype(x) foo; void foo::f() {} works fine.
What am I missing?
 
it's not legal because decltype(expr) wasn't grammatically a typename
it's fixed in the latest draft, I think
or a DR on the current Standard
 
So, it should work then?
 
11:17 PM
well, Visual Studio 2010 implements this specific aspect as it was specified at the time
 
I'm using GCC. I have no time for gimped C++03 compilers.
 
well, it was definitely noticed as an error
whether or not it was fixed in the Standard before it was finalized, I don't know
if GCC's implementation is a couple years old, they'll have it the same way Visual Studio does
however, it was most certainly a Standard defect at some point
 
Well, this is neat because it lets me have a global of a not to be reused type without adding a name.
Yes, I know it sounds like a singleton.
 
you can perform something like std::identity<decltype(x)>::type
although I'm not sure if member function definition will permit that, syntactically
 
I've used the typedef trick. The implementation is not in the header, so it's fine.
 
Xeo
11:22 PM
FWIW Clang compiles fine
 
Damn, someone ticked my question back to 8 points. It was so close to a badge :)
@Xeo The first one?
 
Xeo
aye
Damn router killed my wlan signal again
 
> @Problem Probably, but we shouldn't help accelerate the problem. Perhaps something like bets with 250-500 max, 1-2x per recipient, 5x total per week or month could work so that people don't have to use the bounty workaround. – Kevin 3 mins ago
What?
This guy is taking this way too seriously.
I never thought people on meta took things seriously.
 
You should have used the sarcasm font.
 
the meta lot take being The Meta Police rather seriously
 
Xeo
11:25 PM
@FredOverflow How those two play that game looks ridiculous
 
@Xeo You mean their performance in the game or how they act in front of the camera?
 
Xeo
Both
 
Agreed, but it's the first Space Taxi video I found :)
 
Xeo
Especially how that Eddy performes in part2 in the first random level
 
I didn't even watch part2 :)
 
11:27 PM
@Xeo They have names?
I didn't hear the "Hi, I'm X" part.
 
I am attempting a process where I have virtually no idea of how to even begin
 
Sounds fun.
 
high-larious
 
What a lame pun.
It doesn't even work well as a pun.
If I say "high-larious" to someone, they'll probably reply "I'm not Larious."
 
it's not a pun, it's a culture reference
 
11:31 PM
Dammit.
 
not that I have any idea why your comment made me think of that specific thing
 
What is it btw?
 
"Surely you can't be serious!"
"I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
 
Jayne from Firefly
he had a habit of saying "high-larious" like that whenever confronted with extremely unpleasant circumstances or jobs
 
Haven't watched that yet. I hope that doesn't lower my geek score too much.
 
11:33 PM
it does significantly
 
Xeo
@Fred: You should watch part 2, it's fun, makes for nice giggles
 
There's a "part fun"?
 
@Xeo Which part?
 
you know
I actually had a module this semester on implementation of programming languages
it was hilariously pathetic
they showed constructing an LR state table for a grammar with like, three tokens and two rules
 
Xeo
11:34 PM
@FredOverflow part 2, d'oh
 
I feel directly targeted by this comic.
 
yeah, exactly
 
Also, why the fuck do non-racing cars need clutches?
 
so that they can change gears
 
11:35 PM
Er, not all cars require user intervention for that.
 
automatic cars simply hide the clutch from you and operate it automatically
it's not removed from the car
 
Well, why the fuck do non-racing car drivers need to handle the clutch manually?
 
well, I would assume that implementing a system to handle it automatically costs money, and therefore manual cars are cheaper to make
 
I mean, that's actually a good thing, because they wear and break and that results in money to my father, but they're extremely annoying when I'm driving.
 
I would also assume a certain body of legacy cars where they are all manual
and that some drivers, or many drivers, would have little or no experience driving an automatic, and may choose to have a manual clutch
 
11:38 PM
But nowadays they still churn out manual ones. Automatic gearboxes are not a new thing.
 
well I know that in the UK, it's very rare to have an automatic
 
@DeadMG Automatics require little to no experience!
 
almost all cars are manual
 
Yeah, same here.
 
maybe the car manufacturers simply don't believe that they will benefit from increased sales
automatic gearboxes must have an increased cost over manual ones
 
11:41 PM
Well, I'd rather pay for my car to have that than for a freaking DVD player.
 
me too
 
@RMartinhoFernandes But what about Blu-Ray?
 
but then, most people aren't as smart as us
@LucDanton BitTorrent
 
Ok, I meant a DVD player in my car. The same objections apply for any kind of video player.
> An automatic uses a torque converter instead of clutch to manage the connection between the transmission gearing and the engine.
Ha! They don't have clutches!
:P
 
lol
I personally hope that by the time I expire, my grandchildren will marvel at the idea of a person driving a vehicle
 
11:44 PM
hire martinho as your chauffeur?
 
yes, having a robot to do it is exactly what I had imagined
 
I suck at driving. I wouldn't want a copy of myself as my chauffeur.
Hell, I wouldn't give myself a driving license.
 
lol
semantically analyzing like a baus
 
Xeo
lol
I'm on my retagging + minimal edit rampage for the copy editor badge
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Q: GCC std::thread problem

i_photonI am using GCC 4.5.0 with the Eclipse IDE (if that matters) on Windows via MinGW. I'm using the -std=c++0x flag. I find that _GLIBCXX_HAS_GTHREADS still isn't defined, so thread for me still isn't a member of namespace std. -- or perhaps it is something else. What does one do to get C++0x thre...

If I try to edit this question, I get "please do not use these words in titles: 'problem'"
 
isn't this left-recursive? S → ( S + F ) Or do the parens change it?
 
11:50 PM
if they're a literal token, then indeed they do
 
> This is one of the many reasons manual transmissions are still offered today, and why the demand for them still has a place in the market. The price of a new car with a manual transmission will often be lower than the same car with an automatic transmission.[citation needed]
Damn, you're right.
 
I say that to myself frequently LIKE A BAUS
 
Though I think I'll ask my father for a citation.
 
Xeo
[citation needed] -> write citation on own blog
 
lols
 
Xeo
11:55 PM
 
5 min. till repcap reset.....
 
Xeo
AHHHH
FUCK
 
programmers.stackexchange.com/a/125723/1850 Comments nuked. @sbi did you ask for it?
 
Xeo
Damn it. 105 rep today only -.-
 
156 upvotes in a single day
I think that's enough to repcap.... come on... 6pm here...
lolz
 
11:57 PM
Sometimes some questions just go ballistic.
 
Clearly, I'm a little drunk/high/over-excited...
 
lol, have you seen that guy's link?
he's linked to the most horrific macro-obfuscated code ever
 
@DeadMG It's ugly. I ran.
 
Hullo
 

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