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12:22 AM
Sup people?
 
user457812
Turtles. Turtles are up.
 
Christ, don't tell me that Turtle Programming language is now the industry standard. D:
 
user457812
Sit down, we need to have a talk. It's about your favorite programming language.
 
Brainfuck is my favourite programming language. It is the most simple of all!
 
user457812
We all got together and thought it'd be best if everyone started using Logo.
 
12:29 AM
The brainfuck programming language is an esoteric programming language noted for its extreme minimalism. It is a Turing tarpit, designed to challenge and amuse programmers, and is not suitable for practical use. It was created in 1993 by Urban Müller. The name of the language is generally not capitalized except at the start of a sentence, although it is a proper noun. Language design Urban Müller created brainfuck in 1993 with the intention of designing a language which could be implemented with the smallest possible compiler, inspired by the 1024-byte compiler for the FALSE programmi...
 
user457812
I think it's probably safe to assume most programmers by now know what Brainfuck is
 
Just a precaution. ;)
Eitherway, I am planning on implementing the Ripple DP on NodeJS soon, what are you up to?
 
user457812
Trying to wake up from a 4-hour nap
 
Oh man, bad choice.
It is normal to have five 45 minutes deep sleep cycles in an 8 hour period. Anything that upsets these cycles will cause sleep problems.
 
user457812
Doesn't bother me, I already have messed up sleeping habits
 
12:35 AM
So you should have slept 1:30 Hours, 2:15, 3, or 3:45
 
user457812
I probably woke up a few times during those four hours
 
Sleeping is for weak.
 
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runs and hides in a bush with binoculars
 
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@CatPlusPlus cats sleep a lot
 
12:51 AM
@keithlayne so, you are majoring in CS? How is that going?
 
So im guessing the C chat is NEVER used?
 
:/
 
user457812
Everyone knows that C++ is just C with classes, so why use a C room?
 
because i am in desperate need with my C project before i get the rope out and go up on the roof
need of help with my*
 
user457812
Well, do you have an SO question or something?
 
1:04 AM
does anybody know anything about get_inode() as google is being useless
 
s/an SO/a SO/
 
s/an SO/a SO/???
 
Which library/include?
 
user457812
I pronounce it "an ess oh," so it's "an"
 
s[earch]/[match]/[replace]
 
1:06 AM
on the distribution im using it is in /usr/src/servers/ext2/inode.h
but when i add #include </usr/src/servers/ext2/inode.h> and try and compile is throughs up a whole load of errors from the .h file
 
You already have enough exceptions, special cases and overrides in English. No need to add the abbreviation changes defined article. :/
 
user457812
I go by pronunciation (since SO is an alphabetism), THE EXCEPTION WILL STAND.
 
Pronounce ghoti
 
error: expected '=', ',', ';' 'asm' or 'attribute' before struct
 
Type it in the phonetic alphabet.
 
user457812
1:08 AM
Which phonetic alphabet?
 
Ollie, do the .h file has dependencies?
 
user457812
Should've said IPA then >_>
 
user457812
Let's see, where'd I put my IPA reference
 
It is the International Phonetic Alphabet. Also, were you planning on using the NATO one? We aren't on the radio.
Do not google ghoti, just pronounce it.
 
@fabianhjr here is a link to the .h file
 
user457812
1:12 AM
Probably just [go'ti] without knowing the actual pronunciation of the word.
 
@nil it was /ˈfɪʃ/
As is fish.
 
user457812
How odd
 
user457812
Oooo I got a snowman
 
@fabianhjr at first i thought it may have been edited so i got a fresh version and it still has issues
 
It is tough gh = f
 
user457812
1:13 AM
Well, maybe in the originating language it is
 
As in women o = ɪ
And nation ti = ʃ
It is plain english.
 
user457812
I'm not sure I'd consider it "plain English."
 
That is why English doesn't need more irregularities, it is very irregular as it is right now.
 
user457812
I'd argue all languages are very irregular (especially Spanish)
 
The phonetics are from plain english. I am quite sure your dictionary doesn't have an entry for ghoti though.
Yo hablo español, que parte se te hace irregular?
 
user457812
1:17 AM
Probably not, seeing as it's basically a neologism
 
@nil still I gave you examples of words with the same phonetics.
 
user457812
I'm not sure why you were talking about words with the same phonetics, though.
 
user457812
What I mentioned was that I pronounce SO as an alphabetism, not as "stack overflow" in full.
 
Well, the article should still be the same, since, as you said, you are committing an alphabetism on the abbreviation.
 
user457812
Problem is that if I use the full pronunciation's article, then it's inconsistent with the pronunciation, which in turn makes the sentence awkward.
 
1:23 AM
I feel awkward right now with the fact that it seems I have nothing better to do this monday.
 
user457812
If in doubt, go with what sounds best, not with what pedantic pedagogy would do.
 
Well, I cannot really "think" in abbreviations so I always expand any that I find in my head, then sentences turn awkward often.
Damn, why don't I have something better to do right now?! D:<
 
user457812
Well, you could always go off and start writing a window manager for fun.
 
user457812
Downside is you will be committed to the nearest psych ward.
 
Jesus, no I am just getting started with programming. I am having brainfucts with vertex, OpenGL and Qt right now.
 
user457812
1:26 AM
Mmm, OpenGL. I do so loves it, despite the fact that it hasn't evolved at all.
 
I am getting involved I enrolled in a Computer Graphics course so I will end up knowing how to make a game engine by the end of the following semester.
 
user457812
Well, that's probably unlikely
 
. between the first and second sentence missing!
 
user457812
Game engines are enormous and vastly complex pieces of software
 
user457812
I discard my periods along with my pants.
 
1:27 AM
However, the basics of render, time, physics will be there.
Of course I will not make a Frostbite 3.0 by myself in one semester.
 
user457812
I just realized the ambiguity of saying "periods" there.
 
user457812
I am also now out of Dr. Pepper... maybe I'll run to the store and pick some up.
 
:/ Drink one for me please.
@nil do you want to join me on a BF3 match?
 
user457812
Afraid I don't have Battlefield 3, at least not yet.
 
user457812
Will have to wait on that 'til I buy a new Macbook Pro.
 
1:34 AM
Well, later
 
1:45 AM
WHY IS EVERY FUCKING HEADER FILE I WANT TO USE NOT WORK!
 
user457812
Are you using them correctly?
 
I am now, i couldnt figure out what the last include file i needed was
and then i found it!
I am sorry for my outburst
I have just spent the last 6 days working on a project and thought i was nearly finished but i am nowhere near there yet!
 
user457812
Real programmers never think something is done - there's always new stuff to break work on!
 
haha
 
@nil : real programmers never think. Ask me, I've got personal experience. ;)
 
user457812
1:51 AM
Thinking is for chumps.
 
I'm not a real programmer, im a student working on a project that anyone with half an idea would find stupidly easy
but I'm learning C with a not so beginner project
 
@Ollie : most stuff we create is stupid and outdated a few minutes after we showed it to anyone. But you can't beat the experience of learning with a bit or trail-and-error. Just don't let the bugs bug you down. ;)
 
C sucks for any project.
 
user457812
C rocks if you want your stuff to work with every other language under the sun.
 
Who said C sucks? That's like saying "I like Earth, but I hate living on a planet."
 
1:54 AM
I have had about 4 hours sleep per night for the last week as im freaking out as this project is due jan 16th and i got to america for 3 weeks next week and dont want to do any work while im there
 
user457812
Otherwise using C over C++ is probably pointless.
 
user457812
Man, it's weird having two days ahead of me where I have nothing at all to do.
 
@Ollie Good idea to get your work done by then. Last time I visited the States was so cool, I actually forgot to open up my laptop for a week. Hope your experiences are alike relaxing.
 
user457812
Guess I'll take the time to revise some of my short stories or something.
 
@nil : you could invest your time investigating C and C++. lol
 
user457812
1:56 AM
@Ollie Where abouts are you going in the US? If you're comfortable saying, that is.
 
Also these header files being everywhere is confusing me... @e-Sushi, i spend half the year out there usually over summer working but my girlfriend is in washington at the moment so im going to see her
Im doing a road trip from WA to NY
 
user457812
Ah, you going through Idaho by any chance?
 
probablty
 
@Ollie : "road trip" and "romance"... envy ;)
 
it won't be much romance, more insane adventures, snow mobiling, skiing, climbing and all that jaxx
jazz*
 
1:58 AM
@esushi What?
 
@Ollie : trust me, your girl will manage to pinch a bit of romance out of you anyway... probably 5 seconds before you hit a midget christmas tree out there on the slopes. ;)
 
user457812
Was going to say that if you end up stopping in Boise you could borrow my futon instead of coughing up money for a hotel, but if you start in Spokane (as I assume you will), chances are you won't be going anywhere near Boise unless you really, really suck at maps.
 
user457812
Boise, ID, that is. There's also a Boise, WA, which just seems weird to me.
 
haha thanks for the offer but we have the car/camper of awesomeness
 
@CatPlusPlus : I'm just saying a cat is a cat. You can't hate C if you love C++ and vise versa. After all, no C++ will program satellites, but C will. On the other side, C++ will run industry networks, C won't. Let both live or they'll die in exchange for good old ASM.
 
2:01 AM
This is ridiculous I am so happy as i've managed to include all my include files without a compile error!
 
Aaah... (m)ASM... those were the days.
 
That's just bullshit.
 
@Ollie : Time to light up a cigar!
 
user457812
@esushi Well, C and C++ aren't the same, so it's possible to hate C and like C++.
 
The only thing that might stop C++ from programming satellites is lack of compilers targeting that particular CPU.
 
2:02 AM
i hate that every time i go into C++ chat i strike a debate about C!
 
user457812
I'm just glad nobody debates my irrational love of Objective-C.
 
@CatPlusPlus : you forgot about the limited power cells and tiny CPUs.
 
I like C++ and im starting to like C
 
What about them?
 
user457812
I like most languages, unless they're Python-esque
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2:03 AM
Please don't say "C requires less power".
Because then I'll be forced to point and laugh.
 
user457812
Yeah, that's really just a myth.. at least it is these days. I suppose it's possible it was true early on.
 
??
 
@nil : "I like most languages, unless they're Python-esque"? Well, that deserves a favorite!
 
user457812
I should've added "or Perl(-esque)" to that..
 
how is C being more efficient a myth?
 
2:06 AM
Have any of you guys ever used minix?
 
@CatPlusPlus ... you nagged about the limited compilers keeping C++ away from satellites and I simply explained that that limitation comes from the CPU technology used and not the compilers. Who said anything about a programming language using less power? I certainly didn't. If, the hardware uses less power... not the software. Geez, I'm not a noob you know...
 
user457812
Gosh, you are such a noob.
 
Compiler doesn't run on the limited CPU.
@Pubby Simply. It is a myth. One that could have been true 20 years ago.
 
user457812
Alright, my lack of Dr. Pepper is unacceptable, store time.
 
@CatPlusPlus : depends on what compiler exactly you're talking about, but yes - most compilers will not work on such limited CPUs. In the end it's not a C or C++ question, but a question of "how do we get all that into space without wasting too much fuel and energy on battery and hardware weight.
 
2:10 AM
The only thing that might keep C++ from that environment is lack of compilers capable of producing code that runs in that environment.
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't understand that. Writing "correct" c++ is nowhere near as low-level as C.
 
@Pubby That has no direct correlation to performance.
 
@CatPlusPlus : compilers... So true! Who would have thought I'ld agree with you this quickly? ;)
 
@CatPlusPlus How so?
 
Prove otherwise.
 
2:13 AM
@Pubby : most commonly used compilers produce exactly the same binaries due to their optimized but standardized compile-strategy. You'ld have to get special compilers to leave the - meanwhile - standard codebase of gcc, msvc and the lot.
 
exactly the same? C doesn't have the std which a large portion of C++ involves, I don't see how you can compare apples to oranges
 
I was never really interested in mythology.
 
mythology? The only sources I've seen comparing are 100 line snippets that don't reflect real code.
 
C++ has two "+" for a reason. But only the legends tell where that came from. lol
 
thanks for getting rid of the obnoxious kid
@nil took one for the team there
 
2:21 AM
@all cya later
 
Yes, mythology. But I'm done arguing, I have space zombies to get rid of!
 
cpx
2:38 AM
Kitchen?
 
you had to be there
 
user457812
@keithlayne Eh?
 
the mexican kid who won't shut up
 
user457812
Which one was that?
 
the one arguing about phonics
 
user457812
2:41 AM
Also, why does it matter if he was Mexican? YOU RACIST?
 
Hooked on phonics works for me
absolutely, wanna fight?
 
user457812
YEAH
 
user457812
I'll beat you to death with Clang
 
No, he happens to live in Mexico
clang should make loud noises on errors
maybe he didn't annoy you
maybe you're more tolerant of 16yo know-it-alls than I am
 
user457812
People who debate "correct" language use annoy me, but more in the "it's really sad that you believe any of what you're saying" kind of way
 
2:44 AM
I was stationed in El Paso forever, which is right across from Juarez, and I'm sure you know at least a little about what's been going on there for a few years now
He had the solution to mexico's problems, and they began with legalizing pot
 
user457812
Unfortunately, I don't, unless you mean the zetas or something
 
user457812
I am sadly very un-aware of issues outside my little sphere of stupid.
 
I mean, it's a great place to visit, as long as you don't mind having your severed head hung from an overpass by the cartels
 
anybody have any ideas why my code gives a memory fault on minix but runs fine in fedora
 
I'm not so political, he just aggravated me. And now I've got that off my chest.
 
2:47 AM
or how i can diagnose using gcc
 
more like gdb
 
user457812
@Ollie Try a debugger.
 
run it on minix and see what happens
 
is there one with gcc?
 
it the mem fault reproducable?
 
2:47 AM
it doesnt run in minix
says sigsegv 36697 bad addr 0x0
runs fine on fedora
 
user457812
That seems pretty easy to debug
 
well apparently minix wont let me have gdb
 
if it runs on fedora fine, but segfaults on minix...
 
user457812
Are you making sure to check, when you dereference something, that it's not NULL?
 
seg fault is a programming error
so, you may be in UB land, but gcc on fedora handles it in a way that you like better
 
user457812
2:49 AM
@keithlayne It seems likely to me that he's trying to access something that on Fedora returns some usable pointer and he's assuming every platform will do the same
 
user457812
Either that or Fedora's just not doing a good job of crashing shit.
 
definitely likely
 
i did that at first then rewrote it to work on minix
minix has its own debugger, it just says sorting 7446 GNU Symbols
 
Why do you care about Minix from all the things?
 
what did you change for minix? that is almost definitely the source of the bug.
I thought you meant you compiled it unmodified
 
2:50 AM
minix is a complete pain in the ass but i have to use it for uni
 
is it c or c++?
 
user457812
He said he's using C, if I recall correctly
 
@keith.layne: if i answer that will i spark off a big deate
debate*
 
c then
 
haha
 
2:51 AM
what did you have to change for minix?
 
just the way it checked if the file was actually a directory
 
I don't know much about minix, but as long as the compiler is compliant...
oh, you're the inode guy?
 
I am!
 
FILE is standard C, as far as I know
why do you need to mess with filesystem internals like that?
 
I was just about to make a break through with the inode issue and then my project died
my project is this
one second ill paste the desc
 
2:53 AM
may not be necessary
I think you have narrowed down the problem by yourself
 
or this problem, you will have to design and implement a new command line tool which reports on how much internal fragmentation exists within the files presently on the file system. Your tool will have to show how much space is left over in the last block of data allocated to each file which will be displayed on screen along with the files’ details (file name, location and size). For example:

<file name> <location> <size> <unused space>

The amount of unused space at the end of the file will be used to calculate the total amount of internal fragmentation of all files that are scanned. T
 
my guess is that however you're getting the inode struct is not happy funtime, it's not valid, or you didn't check it before you dereferenced it like @nil said
 
im not playing with inodes yet
 
user457812
Snowman!
 
only file name, path and size, recursive scan to get that info
 
user457812
2:55 AM
He keeps melting :(
 
so you are using a FILE handle, with fopen() or something?
when you don't have a debugger, (unfortunately) printf() is a good helper
 
it wont print out anything
as soon as you execute it it gives a error message
but it builds fine
 
Hi there.
I remembered now why I don't like going to the movies alone. It's a bit embarrassing. I don't know the way out of the mall :(
 
dork
 
But this mall is evil! It's built to trap you inside!
 
2:59 AM
you don't have a gps builtin? Google has indoor nav now.
 

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