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10:00 PM
@codinghorror tweeted the question.
 
@CatPlusPlus Also what is this cmd you are talking about?
 
Windows crappy attempt at a command-line interface.
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Ah! Ok, that explains it.
 
I'm lost
 
OMG today i asked my colleague for the current time. I totally forgot that now I have an own clock!
 
10:01 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Oh like bash? a terminal?
 
@TonyTheLion Turn left and follow the yellow and pink zebras.
 
lol
no zebras here
 
That's what they want you to think.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Yes, but it's almost but not quite entirely unlike bash.
 
yea bash is much better
damn I'm tired
 
10:03 PM
as far as command-line interfaces go, i hear powershell isn't half bad
 
That's what I use.
 
it's not bad, just takes some getting used to
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Congrats Johannes, It's my name in the calendar today and I talked to mom and she did not mention it, but a girl friend of mine of course called me up and told me congrats: -Does the girl love me more than mom?
 
still WAY different from bash though :)
even more so than cmd
 
@RMartinhoFernandes So I can write for loops over files easily?
 
10:04 PM
@cHao At least they ship a default set of aliases that let you use the same commands :)
 
@CaptainGiraffe hmm
 
@CaptainGiraffe Yes.
 
Johannes and R. : Your answers has about the same authority for me (well I might be slightly partial to Johannes) So I'm going to go with "hmm"
 
sbi
@CaptainGiraffe Usually, girls are supposed to love you in a different way than your mom. (Your story still puzzles me, though.)
 
How do I break that to my girlfriends?
 
10:08 PM
Plural?
Are you in a Western culture?
If so, you're doing it wrong.
 
sbi
Oh, someone got the IBM reference! Great! What a bunch of sad funny geeks we are!
 
Just recalling past experiences
 
I did not please fill me in!
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes I was counting on you to be a sad funny freak! :)
 
10:10 PM
@CaptainGiraffe Did you watch the greatest movie of all times (well, maybe not): 2001: A Space Odyssey?
 
Yes I did, and yes it is awesome
 
sbi
@CaptainGiraffe Erm. You are supposed to pick girlfriends that do not love you the way your mom does. If you got that wrong, then it's your fault. (Well, dismissing the idea it could be your mom's fault, that is...)
 
So you know HAL9000, or HAL for friends.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes You know, I never did. I "only" read the book. :)
 
Of course, but HAL won't talk to me no more
 
10:12 PM
@sbi I like the book a lot more.
@CaptainGiraffe Now pick his name and replace each letter by the letter that follows it in the alphabet.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Of course. Is there any movie where that doesn't hold??
 
@sbi Good point.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Right. And then do the same for Tux.
 
Ah the VMS joke =) awesome
 
sbi
@CaptainGiraffe VMS?
 
Windows NT
 
sbi
@CaptainGiraffe Oh!
 
I'm pretty sure this HAL-IBM association came before Windows NT.
 
for sure, still a good bible puzzle joke though
 
10:15 PM
@StackedCrooked Do you know that jello shows up as conscious in some EEGs?
2
Once you know that, it's not that scary.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes ROTFL!
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Ok, who am I to believe now?
 
What does jello think about?
 
sbi
What is jello?
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Ah, thanks.
 
@sbi flavoured gelatinum. Cooked boilt down animal bones, its perfect for the homeopathy crowd!
 
sbi
So, jello is probably thinking about steadier times. :)
 
yuck jello
 
@JohannesSchaublitb what?
 
@sbi lolworthy!
 
he's right :)
 
> The Jell-O brainwave researcher was neurologist Adrian Upton, who conducted pioneering work on the electroencephalography of gelatin desserts starting in the 1960s.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Gotta respect free thinkers
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes I actually, literally, had to wipe my monitor for that.
 
10:19 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Has it become more reliable today?
 
That sounds like a joke, but it is true.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Sometimes the truth is more funny than any joke could ever be.
 
@StackedCrooked I can answer that: Yes the Jellos of today are only determined to be tasty!
 
sbi
Anyway, gotta go to bed now. Night!
 
night
 
10:21 PM
Night.
 
@sbi The Only joke thats not funnier than real life is "An infinite countable number of matematicians walks in to a bar..."
 
lol
 
So, I just started two introductory classes in both Java and C++, the material is very similar. It is odd to me I find the C++ lectures so much more interesting and the crowd slightly bored, and the opposite with the Java crowd.
 
I'm the teacher btw.
 
10:26 PM
16 mins ago, by sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes I was counting on you to be a sad funny freak! :)
@sbi Hey! That reads "freak" not "geek"!
 
lol
 
ownt
 
crap I have robot porn in my browser cache, thanks guys!
 
So you followed the link!
 
is there a reinterpret_cast for browser caches?
 
10:31 PM
You want to reinterpret that as furniture porn?
 
Are we 34'ing everything under the guise of a 22?
also I stopped at the warning
 
how the hell did you even find that site?
 
I think it was @Alf.
Or @Johannes.
 
that's right, blame someone else :P
 
goes digging for evidence
 
10:36 PM
Howdy all
 
hai
 
hey , this is not a place for a good time
 
I am curious whether these assignment instructions seem god awful to experienced programmers
 
this is a place for an awfully excellent time
 
Oh, wait, it was actually me.
 
mpz
10:36 PM
hrllo all!
 
yes, any assignment is
 
Damn.
I found it on TVTropes two months ago.
 
oh, assignment operator
 
Basically the assignment is to illustrate a bunch of data structures using tables.
Those are the instructions
 
what is the tldr;?
 
10:37 PM
And I am at a complete loss.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb what's happening in that clip? Could you give some background?
 
TLDR is make a bunch of linked lists and show what their contents and links would look like with tables in msword.
 
crap the recommended method is excel, go with that. Your teach does not know c++
 
oh sry did not imply crap on the question or the questionaire
 
10:40 PM
excels allowed :
"Students must show all data structures used with the appropriate information in the cells as well as the appropriate subscripts if statically allocated or memory addresses if dynamically allocated. I recommend using a table in Word or Excel"
Thats the TLDR of the assignment pretty much
 
Sounds like yet another silly assignment.
I'm glad I never had something like that.
 
Hey, I might have something for you
 
if you create a table in Word or Excel, how the fuck are you supposed to create any data structures?
you can't implement a linked list in Excel
 
I once wrote something that autoupdated an Exel sheet while it was calculating, that might be fun
 
So you build up some data structures, and write their addresses in Excel?
 
10:42 PM
Yea
 
Programmatically, or by hand?
 
Programatically
 
The assignment requires interaction with Excel?
OMG.
 
@R hey we are in the c++ lounge please =)
 
10:42 PM
use C#
 
Here
 
lol
or Java
 
No! Use HTML.
 
Yes C# would be the way to go
 
Excel can read HTML tables.
Write out an HTML table and Excel will load it up.
 
10:43 PM
This is the "example" this assignment is similar to:
 
PHP!
 
It even keeps formatting.
 
use PHP to write the HTML
 
this is not something I'd ever do in C++
 
10:43 PM
I'm serious!
 
wtf is that, 10-bit addressing?
a memory address should be 32bits at least
 
Outputting an HTML table is the easiest way of producing an Excel spreadsheet.
 
61bits
 
@DeadMG You didn't read TAoP ? =)
 
10:44 PM
what is the bloody point of these silly assignments
they don't really teach you anything, only perhaps the wrong things
 
Ok so this is a lazy teach who has a lot of students
 
if I was a C++ teacher, I'd order them to implement my mixin system
that requires some quite fun knowledge
 
@mwmnj How many are you in you class?
 
But why the interaction with Excel? That's just retarded
 
@Captain whats that?
 
10:45 PM
@DeadMG =)
 
How many are there?
 
what I need is to implement lookahead
 
my current algorithm is a bit suck
 
Oh
 
10:46 PM
hmmm
 
8 maybe?
 
Here the explaination: Community College
 
@DeadMG Lookahead sounds easy.
Just don't restore the pointers in the end.
 
Oh, then It is a teacher that has inherited this class.
 
10:47 PM
no, I had something really quite different in mind
 
Do you know the datastructures he is talking about?
 
What are you changing?
 
that is, to build an actual array of expected tokens
then I can give real error messages, too
 
Linked Lists
 
thing is, I'm having a silly problem with using
 
10:48 PM
yes? Do you know it?
 
@DeadMG You mean, a parser that checks a whole sequence of tokens instead of a single one?
 
no
I mean for each rule, building a set of all the valid "next" tokens
and which rules they correspond to
 
That's starting to sound familiar :)
 
yep
probably because it's familiar :P
the problem is that I haven't actually implemented a token stack and shifting
so when I come across a context that requires deferring decision to a token that isn't the first, fun happens
 
You could left factor the grammar.
(Though it's not always possible or simple.)
 
10:50 PM
well, right now, I have a fairly simple section
 
crap crap crap, how come you guys can talk about actual problems here!
 
@CaptainGiraffe But we're discussing an actual problem!
 
@DeadMG you are just 1 and 0 to me.
 
using =
    'using' identifier '=' name_or_qualified_name ';'
    | 'using' name_or_qualified_name ';';
name_or_qualified_name = identifier *('.' identifier);
 
Would anyone be interested in helping me make sense of this incomprehensible convoluted assignment in another room?
No pressure.
 
10:52 PM
ask the lecturer is the only real thing you can do
 
@mwmnj What is it you don't understand, the assignment is quite clear to me, but alas I'm a teacher.
Yes ask your teacher
 
@CaptainGiraffe so what assignments do you give your students?
 
I need to push the first identifier on to the stack
 
I'm assuming you teach programming
 
and then choose when I find . or = (or ;)
 
10:54 PM
@TonyTheLion I'm one of the workhorses in my department
 
but I really don't want to break the encapsulation of name_or_qualified_name
 
I have on the last count about 20 courses
 
maybe I could refactor it to
 
My number one complaint is for tasks not handed in on time not being graded, I kinda hate that
 
10:55 PM
'using' identifier '=' name_or_qualified_name ';'
'using' identifier ';'
'using' name_or_qualified_name ';'
 
@DeadMG That's an option for this case, but it's still nice to have a lookahead ability. Unless you don't have anything more complex (you probably will).
 
@Captain, a lot, I am just learning linked lists to begin with and this is just way too abstract, If I had experience coding linked lists before this bs maybe i wouldnt be so lost
 
I tried Console. I found no way to select text. Windows 7 didn't like it either and marked the chm help file as stemming from another computer and therefore dangerous, and it initially refused to stop protecting me from the harmful contents (I had to trick it).
 
yes
now how the fuck am I gonna implement lookahead? :P
 
10:58 PM
@mwmnj what your assignment?
 
@AlfPSteinbach I just select the text with the mouse, and it works.
 
@TonyTheLion One of my favs for introductory stuff is "Banana and the monkey". Write a game where a monkey starts at 100 meters gains every round 10 meters, try to hit him with a banana supply an angle and a speed.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes didn't work for me. i tried all ways i could think of. plus some.
 
The selection effect is not sticky, though. It copies the text immediately to the clipboard and throws the highlights away.
 
i could not select at all
 
10:59 PM
@AlfPsteinbach "Students must show all data structures used with the appropriate information in the cells as well as the appropriate subscripts if statically allocated or memory addresses if dynamically allocated. I recommend using a table in Word or Excel."
 
@mwmnj aha that is a whole different story
 
@mwmnj: what does that mean?
 
@DeadMG Parsec has a try function that takes a parser and makes another parser that doesn't consume on failure of the inner parser.
 
is it about implementing linked data structures by using arrays?
 
none of my parsers consume on failure
 
@AlfPSteinbach That would put "Confederacy of the dunces" to shame
 
see, the thing is, I can get the lookahead set pretty easy
 
@DeadMG So you can just tack them as alternatives to each other.
 
@captain, what do you mean thats a different story?
 
I'll can make it a nice array
 
11:01 PM
If ('using' identifier '=' name_or_qualified_name ';') fails, it tries the other one.
 
@mwmnj I think you need to learn more than you think you need to learn.
 
I need a failure action
that's the real problem
 
@CaptainGiraffe Why do you say that?
 
@DeadMG struct fail { bool operator() const { return false; } };?
 
no
what I mean is an action that fires when the rule fails
a semantic action
 
11:03 PM
@mwmnj I have seen similar assignment from a neighbouring department that deals in softer stuff
 
Ah.
!((!p)[action]) :)
 
lol
 
@CaptainGiraffe You are quite cryptic lol
 
I actually don't have a ! at the moment
 
That's ugly and doesn't cover all cases.
 
11:05 PM
@mwmnj I don't want to disrespect my colleauges
 
remind me to implement one
I'll just change it to p.match(func) and p.no_match(func)
 
@CaptainGiraffe Its a garbage assignment? That's what I came here for confirmation of haha.
 
@mwmnj This might not be the case, Yes it is a quite odd assignment, but not garbage.
 
@DeadMG That way you can also chain the two, if you need actions for both.
 
of course
 
11:06 PM
@CaptainGiraffe So what do you mean by "softer stuff" and "don't want to disrespect my colleauges"
and " you need to learn more than you think you need to learn."
 
@mwmnj It is uncommon that an instructor demands results in excel format. IMO.
 
@CaptainGiraffe it looks to me as if whoever wrote that first implemented a system that could be used as a "concrete" example of linked structures. and then wrote the assignment with reference to his implementation. so that it does not make much sense, because any reader does not have his implementation to provide context
 
Well, I had some of those. But it was for a statistics class.
 
@Alf I hope you are correct, My money is elsewhere though
 
Lemme guess: in your bank account!
 
11:09 PM
@CaptainGiraffe You are like a fortune cookie
 
Hey my skin is very soft thank you!
 
user1008537
Hi everyone
 
@captain Mine isnt I need to know what situation im in. Is this assignment(and thus perhaps instructor) garbage or am I a moron
 
@mwmnj The probable thing is that you just misunderstood you assignment
It is an oddly stated assignment, but just ask you instructor for clarification
 
11:12 PM
@mwmnj it does not seem to be garbage. it does appear to rely on context that is not stated. and part of that, that you are to allocate from an array of bytes
 
1>parser.cpp(232): error C2244: 'interface_mixin<Derived>::no_match' : unable to match function definition to an existing declaration
1> definition
1> 'action<no<Derived>,Functor> interface_mixin<Derived>::no_match(Functor) const'
1> existing declarations
1> 'action<no<Derived>,Functor> interface_mixin<Derived>::no_match(Functor) const'
 
also, whoever wrote uses the term "dynamically allocated" in a peculiar way. i think you can safely replace with just "allocated".
 
@DeadMG Sounds like MSVC had a seizure.
 
> /dev/null Good night guys
 
hardly the first time
 
11:15 PM
>> /dev/null
 
Good night (I hope that's what that means).
 
I've been up since 1am, lol
 
24-hours
Everything is OK.
48-hours
Distortion sets in.
72 hours
Hallucinations come more frequently.
I once saw a documentary about meth addicts. One girl was asked what the longest period she stayed awake was. "Two weeks", and "I started seeing things."
Lol.
Here it is, in case this interests you.
 
I have to drive tomorrow, so it's probably time for me to hit the sack. Bye.
 
bb
 
11:23 PM
Alright, night.
 

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