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12:00 PM
static const auto main_scene_name = L"MainScene";
mmm, love auto
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Aiieee: I have multiple screen windows an inside one I have multiple irssi windows.
 
sbi
@Nils Wrong question. The right question would have been: What must a moderator do?
 
Terminals can be so complex.
 
sbi: Yes, but they get some privileges too, right? And what must a moderator do?
 
sbi
@Nils (You need to properly @address people if you reply to them.)
 
12:04 PM
" none of the existing nominated moderators specialize in C++". Hey, Martin's user page says: "Gold C++ specialist"
haha
 
oh well
 
@Nils No privileges that I know of, you just have to deal with all the questions and comments that you'd really rather pass by.
 
sbi
@Nils A moderator must moderate. Look at flagged questions, throw the CW switch, close and delete questions etc. I suppose the privileges are that you get are the tools to do so.
 
i dont wanna be mod
 
can we not discuss C++?
I dislike the endless moderation discussion :(
 
12:07 PM
@DeadMG Does "not" bind to "discuss C++" or to "can we"? ;-)
 
not is a prefix op xD
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Me neither. If you want to be fair it means that you have to be even more careful when answering questions or making comments because your roles as SO and moderator won't be seen as separate by other users.
 
postfix, bastards :P
 
@sbi CW switch?
 
12:09 PM
ok, I actually have a C++ question, I asked it earlier but now I have a different set of answerers
application termination with full cleanup- use an exception?
 
why not exit() ?
 
the "full cleanup" part
 
you mean you want tohave locals destructed?
 
yeah
 
try throwing, catching in main and then exit
or return
 
12:11 PM
that's what I've done
especially since I've got a bunch of user defined callbacks that might do anything
 
@DeadMG You nominated yourself, but well I stop now :)
 
but there's this minor niggle that says that well, I'm using an exception as control flow
 
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A: What is the difference between exit() and abort()?

Johannes Schaub - litbabort exits your program without calling functions registered using atexit first, and without calling objects' destructors first. exit does both before exiting your program. It does not call destructors for automatic objects though. So A a; void test() { static A b; A c; exit(0); }...

@DeadMG trick is: one space before "i.e" and 8 spaces before the code
 
I have to study, cu
 
yay, Lounge<C++>!
 
12:36 PM
ah, I see you Johannes
man, that poor guy with segmentation and far pointers
I pity a professor who teaches his students that now
 
@DeadMG in 32-bit Windows you only need that for e.g. tread state access (low level). :-)
 
I thought that it was completely supplanted by the virtual memory model
 
damn multi-treading
 
more importantly, there are OS functions for thread state access
I mean
his compiler is pre-Standard, too
it targets DOS and Windows 95
 
sbi
1:11 PM
@Nils "Community Wiki"
@JohannesSchaublitb Mhmm. "...will not call destructors of neither objects."
 
@JohannesSchaublitb And by now, "litb" stands for "lost in the baffling_details_of_c++" :)
 
@sbi pardon. what do you mean?
lol @FredOverflow
 
@JohannesSchaublitb s/neither/either/
 
I guess you can't combine "not" and "neither" ;-)
 
1:18 PM
@sbi oh you are referring to my post
fixed, thanks folks
 
1:37 PM
I hate in-class initializers
if I want to put it in a namespace or in a cpp file, it's fine
but if I want a static const string literal, nooo
can't have that inline defined in a class
 
at least you can do so in c++0x with "constexpr"
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb That's what the little arrow to the left of my message (pointing to the one I'm referring to) is for.
 
it even looks like constexpr isn't required. can just look like static char const *const foo = "lulz";
 
I tried that :(
man, I also hate code maintenance
takes so much time writing systems I already wrote somewhere else
tell you what, let's just be flat here, I hate coding :P
 
1:53 PM
only works in 0x of course
 
0
Q: checking invariants in C++

FredOverflowAre there any established patterns for checking class invariants in C++? Ideally, the invariants would be automatically checked at the beginning and at the end of each public member function. As far as I know, C with classes provided special before and after member functions, but unfortunately, ...

 
2:13 PM
I added little comment.
 
@FredO: I think that's pretty terrible
each function should have a specific check_invariants that is specific to it
 
sbi
@DeadMG They are named class invariants, because they should hold before and after calls to any of the class' member functions.
 
indeed
but each member function has a limited scope
if you construct the class with entirely valid invariants, then you should hold their points of modification
like, if your class invariant is that an int must not be above 900, then you only need to enforce it in the methods that may change it, because since you made it private, you know that it holds
massing check_invariants is similar to just throwing shared_ptr at memory management
 
sbi
@DeadMG Ah, but the whole point of invariant checking is that it catches errors. That is, if you come across such a class, that's half a decade old and has had hundreds of checkins during that time, how do you know that none of the maintenance programmers has fucked up the invariants? And how do you know that x<900 is an invariant at all?
That's where such checks (as well as unit tests) come in very handy. You make your changes to the best of your understanding, and when you fail, it's caught before it gets to a customer.
 
2:28 PM
well, you have to know the invariants before you can check them, so if you don't know if x<900 is an actual invariant, you can't check it in check_invariants anyway
 
sbi
@DeadMG But the invariants are understood when they are introduced, and can then be set in stone by encoding them in the check member function. Maintenance programmers don't need to understand invariants introduced earlier as long as they won't mess them up.
 
I guess you're right about checking bugs made by maintenance programmers, I had only considered it in terms of writing a new class
 
sbi
@DeadMG It's a mistake often made. Did you say you are a student? Once you have looked at the warts that make up code that's a decade old, and made a mess trying to remove some of them (wishing you had unit tests to run after every touch you make), you learn about the long-term view.
 
there is that
there are upsides to being a student, like only using the compiler that I want to and all the platform/compiler specific tools I like, but then there are downsides too
I guess, more importantly, I didn't consider that the code would then be maintained by somebody who couldn't maintain the invariants checking as originally designed
when designing my own code, then I know that since I'm the maintainer, I have extra insights and I know what I'm looking for in the code
 
sbi
Basically, it doesn't matter whether writing code is a bloody nuisance. Think of a decade of maintenance with dozens of programmers looking at this class' code thousands of times. How is it important that writing putting in these checks was "lots" of typing? A lone of code is written once, but might be read a thousand times or more. It's important how easy it is to read and understand. Ease of writing is secondary.
@DeadMG Have you looked at some of your own five year old code lately? :)
 
2:36 PM
heh
that's all long gone now
I didn't even understand data types five years ago
 
sbi
@DeadMG That's what I thought as a student: Once I know how to program, I won't have to look at my old code with such a contempt anymore. Guess what, I was wrong. Especially in C++, you keep learning all the time. Plus new ideas, patterns, idioms etc. keep being invented and become hip or fade into forgetfulness. If looking at old code won't make you realize how much you've changed since then, that should make an alarm going off, since it means you haven't learned anything new. .
 
there's a difference between, "I would write that code again", and, "I can read the code sufficiently to maintain the invariants which are kindly posted as explicit assertions right at the top of the method".
 
sbi
2:53 PM
@DeadMG Yes, although posting the invariants explicitly atop of every function will make sure they'll inconsistent within a few maintenance cycles.
 
if they're posted as assertions, then they'll blow as soon as they're inconsistent
 
omfg, there's a chat here
 
@DataGreed Well, what did you expect? :)
 
:)
 
3:37 PM
lol
 
Something killed any chat that might have been happening.
 
sbi
@CharlesBailey It was @DeadMG, when he insistent on discussing C++ here. Before that, we had lively discussions going on. Now it's deadly silent.
 
sbi
 
4:41 PM
yeah
I know
 
anyone use Linux under VMWare on Windows 7?
W7 host, that is
 
@JohnDibling I do.
 
@James: Were you able to install VMWare tools?
Every time I log in to my Linux box, it prompts me to install VMWare tools. Even though I install it every time.
 
Yes, I think they usually install without too many problems. What distro are you using? (I've only really used RHEL for the last 8 years...)
On the other hand, I haven't installed Linux onto a VMWare VM in a year or so, and I'm still using VMWare Workstation 6.5, which is 3 years old now, I think.
 
RHES 6
I'm also using Workstation 6.5
RHEL that is
 
4:47 PM
Hmm, interesting.
 
All I'm really trying to do is copy-past from the W7 host to the RHEL guest
Is VMTools needed for this functionality?
I guess I could sneaker-net using my usb key, but what a pain
 
I can't answer that; I've not really used a Linux GUI; almost all of my experience is with servers managed via SSH.
 
For file transfers, I usually set up a samba share.
 
i should look in to doing that
you're speaking greek now. i'm a linux idiot. but i'll look in to samba
 
4:50 PM
It's basically a server that lets you set up a network share so on a Windows machine you can browse to \\myfirstlinuxserver\ and see the shares.
Γεια σας κόσμο
 
lol :)
let me translate that. it probably says "you're an idiot, John" :)
 
It's "hello world" ha ha (or, it's a Google Translated version of "hello world." I have no idea what it really says.)
 
into what, Russian?
 
Greek
I accused @James of speaking Greek to me, and then he actually did.
 
lol
 
4:56 PM
In college one of my neighbors was a Classics major. He'd make jokes in Greek trying to get someone to say "that's Greek to me!" to which he'd reply "hey! it's Greek to me too!"
 
sbi
@DeadMG That would be привет мир.
As you can clearly see, the characters are totally different. :)
 
5:13 PM
Another off topic question, but what can you make to improve your attention span, when it comes to programming, reading or problem solving?
 
sbi
@Nils What did you say?
(SCNR)
 
@sbi I was going to tell you, but now I've forgotten what you asked.
 
@Nils: Coffee and surfing the web.
 
surfing rather distracts
as hanging out here :)
 
sbi
@JohnDibling I feel like surfing (or answering on SO, chatting) makes me have the attention span of a common mosquito. :(
 
5:18 PM
LOL desktop notification just notified me of that a second time. I guess the chat programmer felt the same as you :
:)
 
 
sbi
@JohnDibling I've noticed that this happens whenever someone edits a message directed at me. Like I did with this one.
 
I see what you did there.
 
sbi
@Nils Wow, that scales really badly.
 
Well it's faster at least, but he didn't say where the bottleneck was.. maybe memory access?
anyway what are u doing for concentration?
 
5:23 PM
@JohnDibling What? What did he do there? Did he make it ding a second time at you? Is there a limit to the number of times we can make your computer ding? Ding!
 
Tell people in ur office to STFU? :D
 
@James: Yeah.
 
sbi
@JamesMcNellis Yeah, there's the limit of 5mins to edit your message.
Oh, and FF never dings at me. I dunno, but when I tried I seemed to be unable to turn this on. It did work when I tried IE.
But I can't say I feel like I'm missing it.
 
oh @DeadMG has made it to rank #19 this month
in the global list
 
@sbi And that really helps?!
 
5:29 PM
i dislike the desktop notification. too much spam
 
Mine never dings. I think it has something to do with the fact that I have no speakers hooked up.
 
i hate it when i update something and that overwrites my gtkrc file, enabling that silly error-beep
@TomalakGeretkal you are the "top new user" with +1,850 reputation this quarter xD
 
sbi
@Nils I suppose your refer to simplynoise.com?
@JamesMcNellis It's a laptop here. Speakers are built-in.
 
@sbi yes
@sbi I usually listen to music which does not distract much, such as: soundcloud.com/aaronstatic/aaron-static-power-hour-january-2011
 
sbi
@Nils If I need to concentrate when there's a lot of auditive distraction around, I use headphones, turn the noise well up (I prefer brown noise), and put well-known very low-volume music underneath. However, this only helps with too much noise in the room (people discussing, phoning etc.).
I have yet to find a cure for SO.
 
5:44 PM
heya
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Q: Feature-Request: Code inserting popup window

Octavian DamieanHello there, Problem I'm sure everyone over 2.500 reputation has at least once had a question where the user simply didn't understand how to insert/highlight his code. Which often results in either none-formatted code which would be the least problematic option or in wrong-formatted code which ...

 
There's a "pointers" tag and an "arrays" tag. Anyone fancy proposing them as synonyms? :P
4
 
@CharlesBailey I want to laugh, but for some reason I also want to stab something. :-D
 
@JamesMcNellis Hey, I'm top "pointers" answerer for the last 30 days. Go me. Beating you by three votes.
 
@CharlesBailey Well, that's better than the [templates] tag where @JohannesSchaublitb is beating me (in the all-time list) by over 900.
 
sbi
@OctavianDamiean Why are you posting this here? You don't have a single rep point in C++ and have never been in this room. I'd call this spamming. Besides, we all know that you can mark code and indent all of it with a single mouse click.
 
5:56 PM
good god ... I'm sorry guys. I didn't notice that I'm in the C++ room ... me idiot only read Lounge lol
@sbi yea well sorry again but on a side note it is not about marking code and indenting it with one click ... it is about something a bit different.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb teehee
not bad
where do you see that?
 
It's interesting that there are two fewer 50k+ users this year than last year... reputation recalcs, perhaps?
 
lol
@JamesMcNellis well Roger Pate left; I would have thought he'd have 50k+?
@Johannes: 1850 in 18 days ;)
 
@TomalakGeretkal He was at 20k or so. Neil left, but I would think the stats would only include people who were around on December 31. I could be wrong, of course.
 
dammit
just wrote a comment on a broken answer, spending time making a testcase online then writing him the url
refresh the page and he deleted the answer, grrr
@JamesMcNellis good point
 
6:10 PM
@JamesMcNellis Isn't the simplest explanation that they simply went up a category and the 50+k ranks weren't re-enforced from below at the same level?
 
@CharlesBailey I think it's 50k+, so anyone with 100k+ should be included in the number, even though those people are also in the 100k+ category (that is, it's not a 50k-99,999 category). Again, Icould be wrong.
 
sbi
@TomalakGeretkal Yeah, that sucks big time.
 
@JamesMcNellis Just looking at the users list I count ~55 >50k and <100k. I think you're not correct.
 
@CharlesBailey +1 to you for solving the mystery of the missing 50kers.
 
@JamesMcNellis Do you want names, too ;-) ?
 
6:20 PM
lol
 
@CharlesBailey No, no. The fact that you think I am not correct is convincing enough for me ;-)
 
lol funny pattern
 
BIGTIEM
@sbi looks like he consistently amasses rep, but once in a while says something especially retarded
e.g. somehow he got -200 on stackoverflow.com/questions/3956650/…, but I can't see him on it now
oh, could be bounties
I think he thinks rep is money
lol
 
Isn't it? I've been saving mine up to buy a new car!
 
6:35 PM
well there's my new SSD paid for
 
the data explorer is IMO the best user interface SO has
 
@JohannesSchaublitb I might agree, but my SQL is so rusty I have a hard time pieceing together anything but the most trivial queries.
 
same for me. but i really like it to search for some old comment someone made
 
@JamesMcNellis agree with what
@JamesMcNellis don't see why you need to know SQL to have an opinion on a user interface?!
 
@TomalakGeretkal Agree with what @JohannesSchaublitb says.
@TomalakGeretkal Well, the Data Explorer is basically just a big text box where you can type SQL to query a snapshot of the Stack Overflow database.
 
6:45 PM
@JamesMcNellis oh sorry, thought you were on about something else
 
i usually take existing queries and modify them xD
lol
 
sbi
@TomalakGeretkal Yep, I, too, think it's bounties.
 
"See I have collected these 500 cents the last days just to get a nice answer from you. Please!".
2
 
I wonder if bounties actually get better answers for a question.
 
sbi
@JamesMcNellis I suppose at the very least they do get more answers.
 
7:07 PM
Anyone have experience with the new Android NDK r5?
More specifically, completely developing with the NDK, not touching Java
 
this moderator election banner is pissing me off
I know, already. now go away!
 
They want you to keep going back to read new entries.
 
but i'm not interested and the nagging is only making that worse
 
@CharlesRay there is an android SE site
 
Oh. They keep changing the requirements for the election. It started off as 3k required reputation, now it's 10.3k.
 
7:18 PM
lol
 
-3
Q: Code is not working.

MohitHere Is the Ques: I am Working this code in Windows 7. It works fine when i give Input (name and address). I am using g++ compile. But when i run the exe file. the file stop responding. why ?? #include<iostream> #include<string> using namespace std; class Person { private: str...

lol
 
sbi
@CharlesBailey I have located your dream. You can nominate yourself as a moderator candidate with as little as 300 rep, not 3000.
 
why is it such strage rep as 10347 ?
 
@JamesMcNellis how much rep do you need to change the requirements?
 
weird, looks like it'S a calculated rep requirement
Prasoon nominated too
 
7:22 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb: I don't see your name on the list.
 
@JamesMcNellis i don't care xD too much time consuming job to be a mod
 
@DeadMG: Burn
indians are fucking fascinated by bolding their names
 
sbi
@JamesMcNellis Where do you find that?
 
@sbi stackoverflow.com/election On the sidebar in the yellow block.
It started off at 300, then it was quickly changed to 3,000 (with good cause, IMO), then now it is 10.3k.
 
why isn'T it 10.3k but rather 10347 ?
 
7:25 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb Is K 1000 or 1024?
 
why not
have you noticed that most of the noms are self-noms
nom nom nom
 
@TomalakGeretkal All of the nom nom noms are self-noms.
 
7:28 PM
He was suspended for a week before, @Tomalak.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb He?
 
Prasoon was. but i don't know why. @AlfPSteinbach knows. He wouldn't tell us xD
(Alf asked him in private)
I consider him a good SO member though. But it seems they banned him for a week because of his trollish questions he made there xD
 
sbi
@JamesMcNellis Ah, that. I think this is because of the best-30 rule: Only the 30 candidates with the highest rep reach the next round. Presumably, the place #30 is currently held by someone with 10.3k rep.
"After 7 days, the top 30 nominees, ordered by reputation, advance to the primary phase."
What I'm wondering about in the latest blog posting is this: "Don’t worry — all our excellent community moderators on the trilogy will carry on as moderators. It’s only on new Stack Exchange 2.0 sites with Pro Tem Moderators that existing moderators must run in the first election to continue their terms." Does that mean we're electing additional moderators, and all the old ones keep their post?
 
@sbi ah that makes sense!
John skeet should nominate, so noone else can anymore xD then at the end withdraw lol
or wait.. i think i'm mistaken
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb Yup, you are. He'd define the top of the 30. What's important for us mere mortals is the bottom, though, currently a little over 10k.
 
7:44 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb where?
 
In the nomination phase, any community member in good standing with more than 10347 reputation may nominate themselves to be a community moderator.
that's much too specific to be not picked as the bottom of the pile
 
sure, but does that mean then that to nominate yourself, you have to have more points than the lowest-rep'd existing nominee?
 
so one person with 40k is the first nominee then everyone <40k is screwed?
 
the pile is 30 people
 
7:46 PM
we're not in the primaries yet, sbi
 
@TomalakGeretkal "where" ?
 
so you have to have more rep than the 30th in terms of rep
I think
 
@JohannesSchaublitb You said "there" in the question I replied to. Where is "there"?
@DeadMG weird
@CharlesBailey keyboard is wrong
 
@TomalakGeretkal no. only if 30 others with >=40k exist too
 
@JohannesSchaublitb k
 
sbi
7:47 PM
@CharlesBailey Oh, I see. Well, this really is confusing. It seems they keep changing the rules.
 
so actual 30th, not 30th-or-less-whichever-is-higher
 
sbi
@TomalakGeretkal No!
 
6 mins ago, by sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb Yup, you are. He'd define the top of the 30. What's important for us mere mortals is the bottom, though, currently a little over 10k.
 
sbi
@TomalakGeretkal What? (You need to @address people.)
 
I don't "need" to do anything, thanks
 
7:48 PM
lol
 
sbi
@TomalakGeretkal But you didn't reply to a question.
 
correct!
this is a chatroom, not a SO question
 
sbi
@DeadMG Or you are the 30th.
 
yeah, but I was referring to for new nominees
 
@TomalakGeretkal oh you mean 40k as the 30th. yeah then youhave to have more than 40k
 
sbi
7:50 PM
@TomalakGeretkal No, you don't. Sorry. (But don't need to understand you either. :))
 
i think the moderation badges should each count 5k reps xD
for the purpose of the moderation noms ranking
 
I think that I should immediately become lord and emperor of SO.
 
maybe I should put more effort into answering C questions
 
@DeadMG or into moderating. or being less of a "dick" (allegedly)
 
sbi
@DeadMG C isn't worth any effort.
 
7:52 PM
heh
the hilarious thing is, when I log in, I see all these negative comments people left about my self-nomination
but I don't really see the point
pretty much all of the community area I'd be moderating already knows who I am and what I'm like
especially as going through into the primaries is based purely on reputation
I'll make it through or not regardless of what people comment
 
sbi
@DeadMG What?
 
the top 30 in reputation order go through to primaries
so if you comment on my nomination going "This guy is an asshole", it's not going to change whether or not I go through to primaries
 
@Dead people can just switch tabs and read the comments even if primary has been reached
 
there is that
 
sbi
7:58 PM
@DeadMG Oh, must be me being a furriner. I thought going through the primaries would mean to go to the election.
 
through into the primaries
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb Dead people can not switch tabs anymore.
@DeadMG Ah, thanks. I hope I can remember that.
 
why did I even nominate myself, again?
 
sbi
@DeadMG You nominated yourself because you didn't count Martin (owener of a gold C++ badge) as a C++ guy. Or did you?
 
8:00 PM
don't recall
from memory, we discussed his nomination and someone said that he's rarely around
and I certainly don't recognize the name personally
 
who does Noah mean when he says "Howlers"?
does he refer to the c++ chat folks?
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb Where does he say this?
 
in the comments on my nomination
I got several negative comments, and one of them was Noah suggesting that I jump on bandwagons and I am a howler
or something of that nature
 
@DeadMG: I'm just impressed that you have an accepted answer with a score of -8. Is there a badge for when it reaches -10?
there should be.
 
@DeadMG maybe he's just "joking around" with you. (see his user page)
 
8:08 PM
heh
that answer is from like, six months ago
 
@StephenCanon there is one with -24: stackoverflow.com/questions/216359/…
-24
A: Break statements In the real world

S.LottIn the real-world, I look at every break statement critically as a potential bug. Not an actual bug, but a potential bug. I challenge the programmers I work with on every break statement to justify its use. Is it more clear? Does it have the expected results? Every statement (especially ever...

 
@JohannesSchaublitb: yeah, but that's CW.
DeadMG's is more impressive to me.
 
sbi
@DeadMG Yeah, and he did that to Martin's nomination, too. I don't think I ever had any trouble with him, but I couldn't hold back and had to add my €0.2 about his mutterings.
 
can't even find my own nomination
 
8:23 PM
ah let's watch the new episode of DSDS ...
 
@sbi So, if you, me, Johannes, Charles, and others all nominate ourselves, we can really raise that number really fast. This could be fun!
Oh; apparently that has already been discussed. It took me a few minutes to read through the log.
 
the real question is
why do I still play games with my brother?
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb I don't have a TV.
 
he insists on playing random teams, but then rages when his random allies aren't very good
 
sbi
@JamesMcNellis Yeah, that occurred to me, too. But I don't like gaming the system.
 
8:35 PM
@sbi i watch it on the interwebs!
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb Why do you think I don't have a TV?
 
my PC doesn't even have an optical drive
 
Playing random teams is awesome. When you lose, it's your teammates' fault. When you win, it's because of your elite skills.
2
 
nah, I prefer 1v1
 
8:42 PM
no, too much accountability
I like to have a ready-made excuse for when I lose.
 
yeah
too much accountability for being in the top 2.5% of players :)
 
=) What game?
 
Starcraft 2
 
ah, yes. I play 1v1 SC2 as well. I am terrible at it.
 
well
 
8:44 PM
Race?
 
Terran
I'm 1350 Diamond right now
the matchmaker took 11 points from me for losing to a 2300 player
that's great, cause my MMR is way ahead of my actual points
but it's terrible, cause I'm gonna have to just spam games to make up the points difference
and I got code to write
 
sbi
Now Noah is really going after Martin York. stackoverflow.com/election
(And that David's suggestion to lock the C++ users out into their own "Jerk Exchange" I've flagged as offensive.)
 
agreed
he's just pissed because he posted something offensive and we called him out on it
man
there's something wrong with me
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naming schemes galore
only missing camelCase
 

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