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Dec 16, 2012 09:19
I am back
Dec 15, 2012 20:48
When you say x is your requirement but practically there exists a case where you continue without x proves x isn't actually your requirement. That's all I was trying to say and said and hopefully proved it as well.
Dec 15, 2012 20:46
Hiring*
Dec 15, 2012 20:46
I know that was their requirement. I was debating on the importance of vocals or technical skills for horing a developer
Dec 15, 2012 20:42
Duffers in English I meant :-)
Dec 15, 2012 20:35
Also it could be possible there are bad English speaking duffers in apple, if there can be bad pronunciation guys. Many a times Chinese Russians have won Google code jam where English is again not main speaking language. Someone saying no I won't hire the winner as he sucks in English although he's so good.. funny
Dec 15, 2012 20:29
At least in case of programming
Dec 15, 2012 20:28
Gotta negotiate technical skills for vocals
Dec 15, 2012 20:28
That's what my point is.
Dec 15, 2012 20:27
Rather, can get me out...
Dec 15, 2012 20:26
It is in versant test. A single bad pronunciation will get me out of the round. Its possible. How versant test is carried is mentioned on their website.
Dec 15, 2012 20:24
We all want everything to be excellent. But that may not be possible practically. And then what you negotiate for determines what's more important, which my mentioned dilemma does.
Dec 15, 2012 20:22
And why would apple choose sub par people.
Dec 15, 2012 20:21
For developers it's not necessary to be excellent in English. It's completely stupid. Having versant test is same. They wanted Excellency in English. There are wwdc videos where apple engineers suck in pronunciation. They aren't English from their accent but are in apple.
Dec 15, 2012 20:18
That may not be the case here. English isn't first language here.
Dec 15, 2012 20:17
Yes right. They want both that's clear. But the fact that in the above dilemma I mentioned anyone would hire the smart developer with average vocals makes the idea of desiring excellent vocals in developers bogus.
Dec 15, 2012 20:14
For programming who would you hire - an average programmer with excellent vocals or an excellent programmer with average vocals?
Dec 15, 2012 20:13
The point is they didn't consider the proportionality of technical and vocals
Dec 15, 2012 20:12
It's not as important being a stupid developer
Dec 15, 2012 20:11
Which is stupid because you are weighing vocals to be more than technical skills in software development.
Dec 15, 2012 20:09
The idea of desiring a developer with strong communication skill is bogus. Here first language isn't English. So you might end up with no candidate technically sound as you need with excellent English skills. Hence you will end up selecting not so technical candidate because you consider English to be more important than developing for a developer.
Dec 15, 2012 20:04
And why versant test for developers?
Dec 15, 2012 20:03
But developers?
Dec 15, 2012 20:00
I sleep by midnight but today I can't. I am gonna murder the interviewers in my dream
Dec 15, 2012 19:59
On bed*
Dec 15, 2012 19:59
I am bed typing from mobile. Funny typo :-)
Dec 15, 2012 19:58
Lol
Dec 15, 2012 19:58
Free lancing
Dec 15, 2012 19:58
Let's finish code anyhow go home and enjoy. Some go home and continue writing bad code for free dancing after office.
Dec 15, 2012 19:57
The mentality is small companies doesn't pay good. Developers think why to put extra effort for less money
Dec 15, 2012 19:56
I am not disheartened to not get the job. Its so stupid to reject developers based on English speaking skills. And it wasn't as if I sucked in technical round. The problem in India is in small companies most developers are cargo cult programmers.
Dec 15, 2012 19:48
Vladimir kramnik
Dec 15, 2012 19:46
Past 1 am here but I can't sleep. I need to murder the interviewers.
Dec 15, 2012 19:41
May be it was in olden days where they assumed moustache makes then look strong and more manly
Dec 15, 2012 19:40
Yes that's as funny as developers should be having versant test cracking skills for a job
Dec 15, 2012 19:39
Lol
Dec 15, 2012 19:35
It's pretty common here among men. Either or both of them. But I don't like it personally
Dec 15, 2012 19:29
My english speaking is bad
Dec 15, 2012 19:28
I am actually a very good chat speaker
Dec 15, 2012 19:28
My typing appears good because Abizern and Nil will throw me out if i chat speak
Dec 15, 2012 19:27
Please read our chat few minutes before your arrival
Dec 15, 2012 19:25
they rejected me in english communication test
Dec 15, 2012 19:25
but all other calls I have are from bad/small companies
Dec 15, 2012 19:24
Today I failed to get a job in a company :(
Dec 15, 2012 19:21
I have a misconception with that.
Dec 15, 2012 19:17
I neither like moustache nor beard <_<
Dec 15, 2012 19:15
nil's pony tail is the windmill
Dec 15, 2012 19:15
lol
Dec 15, 2012 19:13
Mike is back
Dec 15, 2012 19:13
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