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06:45
hi
Good Morning group
07:07
more christmas shopping done
versant machine? It is a common stereotype in America to call customer support only to be greeted by an Indian with a thick nonunderstandable accent
07:22
hi.
i hate core data
 
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10:23
hi @Abizern, as you know from ios6 to add events in calendar we should first ask the permission of the user, but prior ios 6 , it was not like that, so if I want to support both, how it should be done
10:50
@Ranjit Don't call the required method unless you are running on iOS6 and above
I suppose. Why?
just asked, I was not sure
and I dont have an ios 5 device to check also
so I have to rely on you and what the post says
11:40
hi
this is an issue in my UITableViewController class to load UINavigationBar to navigate from Detailed View controller to simpleViewController
here is a reference code : pastebin.com/X4YJUEKE
i am using UINavigationController to add navigation bar programatically but it is seeming like not adding UINavigation bar on top of TableView
here you can see the screenshot of my "OfflneVC" class : screencast.com/t/n9C9e8D5
here you can see the view where i am facing issue : screencast.com/t/nTdixzcU7r
Code i pasted in pastebin
highlighted are of issue which part is not working for UINavigation Bar
12:02
Why are you calling viewDidLoad? That's not a call you make yourself.
And why are you creating a new navigation controller but not using it?
because of this NavigationBar is not appearing ?
removed both viewDidLoad calling line and Unused NavigationController object...
Don't know - but if you've written code that doesn't make sense - then I've found from experience that it's not worth spending too much time trying to figure out what's going wrong.
actually during coding i was trying with different different style of calling and assigning values.... those two steps was the forgotten part to remove while pasting in pastebin
removed both unused variable and viewDidLoad calling line from my original code
having same issue .... navigationbar is not visible
:S
12:17
Why are you creating a new tableview? Don't you get one with the TableViewController anyway?
i saw one tutorial like that
in that there was two tableViewController used i:e Appdelegate calls UITableView controller and on clicking UItableview Controller's row another tableview i:e DetailedTableView Controller was called
my project is also like of same so took 2 tableviewController class
@mmackh you have write access. Please read the House Rules before posting.
and both are Custom TableView controller
@Tauseef I asked why you were creating a new tableView for your tableview controller?
There comes a time when you stop doing things just because you saw it in a tutorial and you start understanding why you are doing things.
In general that's the correct way to do it. You create a new detail view controller, configure it with the information it needs to create the detail view and then you push it on to the navigation controller's stack.
But you've got a lot of code that does other things including SQLite, and it's too much to read and understand why something isn't working.
so now i need to create a View Controller !! There is no way to assign UINavigation Bar on Detailed Tableview controller
?
12:27
@Tauseef Why would you want to do that? The navigation controller takes care of that.
ok
so for that i need to call a View Controller not a UITableView controller ? is it ?
if i call View Controller then UINavigation Bar will automatically take care of navigation pushing and popping part
is it like that ?
Dude, A UITableViewController is a subclass of UIViewController.
@Tauseef Start here and keep going until things start making sense.
13:10
I cleared technical round but failed in English communcation round :(
don't worry
haar ke aage hee jeet hai ;)
13:29
:(
 
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user457812
18:33
Porp porp porp
<_<
I am not able to find job :D
user457812
I just left my job/internship.
why
user457812
Mostly to pursue another one and increase the amount of time I have for dev work.
I lost due to stupid Versant Test
My english is poor
user457812
18:40
Not sure what that is, but being a native speaker, your writing doesn't seem abysmal, just missing determiners mostly. Also, you seem to avoid contractions.
That is english speaking test used by companies to test tone, fluency, clarity, etc
I can type well but can't speak well
typing won't reflect the stammering I do while speaking english :D
user457812
Well, the only way to actually fix that is to talk with people who speak English
I find it funny to interview developers with versant test
user457812
I find it odd that you'd need any test at all. Seems like ears should work.
Right. They can show others that they follow so and so well known recruiting process, etc to get good clients.
Apple was one of their client. Guess I missed a good company due to poor communication skills.
user457812
18:49
They were probably misrepresenting their relationship with Apple, if anything.
I think so too. It was this company with this sub unit with mobile domain having 10 developers and Apple as client.
I know I can't pass special english test. Won't apply in any such company in future. Better concentrate on technical side. Its fine to know enough english to make others understand.
user457812
They only work with Apple through a company they bought.
I dominated the technical interview. It was funny. They asked me very stupid questions.
They don't know how to take interviews.
If a candidate answers basic questions right, then gotta move to intermediate and finally to expert level of questions. They kept on asking me What are delegates, difference between delegates and notifications, what is singleton, what are different design patterns, etc
And the level at which candidate consistently starts getting wrong is his/her level.
Fools didn't know how to interview, clearly.
oh yes, they kept on asking me "please define this" sort of questions.
And that was it all about.
18:57
hahah... Where did you apply?
Some here and there, but that was also basic.
Give example where you would use notification and not delegation, etc
These are still basic.
See the above comment of mine with links.
When a candidate appears for an interview, how he/she answers defines the candidates level of expertise. But what questions interviewer asks also defines their expertise.
Now a company asking stupid technical questions and rejecting candidates on versant test is utterly stupid. I am happy I got right what I wanted to, but sad to miss the company and to see developers are also defined by their communications skills.
well said.. That's why consider my suggestion again.. Start your own company.. :P
user457812
Well, I just realized I really need to shower.. seeing as I woke up and just now caught my reflection in my monitor
user457812
My hair's currently defying gravity.
pony tail
user457812
19:04
I have one. It's still doing that.
Why pony tail, beard and moustache?
user457812
Why?
yes, may be some actor's style or just because?
user457812
Because I don't want to go to a barber and because I like having a beard.
:D
I visit parlor every fortnight
user457812
19:08
Goody, my shader is compiling and linking correctly. Now I can shower.
With beard and moustache, face isn't visible clearly. I mean...umm... Without them people can know better how you actually look like ..lol
Thats why i asked :P
user457812
How I look is with a beard and mustache. Nobody cares what I'd look like without them.
><
Mike is back
Yes, I just arrived...
and I am considering growing a windmill beard, myself.
lol
nil's pony tail is the windmill
user457812
19:16
One cannot go wrong with a windmill.
it surely attracts all the ladies.
I neither like moustache nor beard <_<
not many women do. I'd love to have one at some point.
I have a misconception with that.
Today I failed to get a job in a company :(
don't feel bad... that happens all the time to even the best engineers.
the job interview process is very very subjective.
19:25
but all other calls I have are from bad/small companies
they rejected me in english communication test
your English appears to be super good to me. What does an "English communication test" really test?
do they want you to sound like an American ??
Please read our chat few minutes before your arrival
oh... I only got as far back as beards.
My typing appears good because Abizern and Nil will throw me out if i chat speak
I am actually a very good chat speaker
19:29
My english speaking is bad
user457812
Something I thought about in the shower — between implementation details and whatnot — is whether India has a bias against facial hair
user457812
I don't really ever see any Indian folks on campus with facial hair.
user457812
This is something to investigate.
yes, and get back to us when you figure it out.
It's pretty common here among men. Either or both of them. But I don't like it personally
user457812
user457812
"The police force in India recently relaxed the rule requiring all officers to sport a bushy moustache." O_o
user457812
This has to be satire. I can't imagine anyone would actually be required to have a mustache for a job.
Lol
user457812
Nevermind, it's true, police were being asked to grow mustaches.
Yes that's as funny as developers should be having versant test cracking skills for a job
May be it was in olden days where they assumed moustache makes then look strong and more manly
Past 1 am here but I can't sleep. I need to murder the interviewers.
19:46
hi :)
hello @Vladimir
I'm just sitting here pondering.
Vladimir kramnik
I have not shaved just for a few days, I have a long way to go to achieve that look )
user457812
I ditched most of my beard for just a goatee.
@Lenka sorry you did not get the job, but I like smaller companies more
may be because I never worked for really big companies
:)
19:56
I am not disheartened to not get the job. Its so stupid to reject developers based on English speaking skills. And it wasn't as if I sucked in technical round. The problem in India is in small companies most developers are cargo cult programmers.
The mentality is small companies doesn't pay good. Developers think why to put extra effort for less money
Let's finish code anyhow go home and enjoy. Some go home and continue writing bad code for free dancing after office.
Free lancing
Lol
I am bed typing from mobile. Funny typo :-)
On bed*
you're on chat when you should be sleeping?
addict.
I sleep by midnight but today I can't. I am gonna murder the interviewers in my dream
user457812
Well, it's not really stupid to reject someone based on their English speaking skills, actually.
But developers?
yeah, I'm interested in seeing where you go with this, @nil
20:04
And why versant test for developers?
user457812
I don't know why that particular test, but if you can't communicate with other developers who do speak English, especially when English is more or less the dominant language in programming, then you're not really cut out to be on a team.
user457812
You would basically be the one guy who couldn't work with others because of language issues
and if the team is all Indian?
user457812
We've confirmed his wouldn't be since it works with companies overseas.
The idea of desiring a developer with strong communication skill is bogus. Here first language isn't English. So you might end up with no candidate technically sound as you need with excellent English skills. Hence you will end up selecting not so technical candidate because you consider English to be more important than developing for a developer.
20:10
and of course I see both points of view so therefore my opinion is superior and I'm staying out of this.
user457812
Being able to talk with others is pretty important.
Which is stupid because you are weighing vocals to be more than technical skills in software development.
It's not as important being a stupid developer
The point is they didn't consider the proportionality of technical and vocals
user457812
Chances are they want both, not someone's who deficient in one but not the other.
For programming who would you hire - an average programmer with excellent vocals or an excellent programmer with average vocals?
user457812
I would hire the excellent programmer with excellent communication skills.
20:17
Yes right. They want both that's clear. But the fact that in the above dilemma I mentioned anyone would hire the smart developer with average vocals makes the idea of desiring excellent vocals in developers bogus.
That may not be the case here. English isn't first language here.
user457812
I don't believe in choosing sub-par people, nor do I believe in the false dichotomy of choosing one or the other, so eh.
For developers it's not necessary to be excellent in English. It's completely stupid. Having versant test is same. They wanted Excellency in English. There are wwdc videos where apple engineers suck in pronunciation. They aren't English from their accent but are in apple.
And why would apple choose sub par people.
because Apple is cheap.
user457812
Pronunciation isn't everything.
We all want everything to be excellent. But that may not be possible practically. And then what you negotiate for determines what's more important, which my mentioned dilemma does.
It is in versant test. A single bad pronunciation will get me out of the round. Its possible. How versant test is carried is mentioned on their website.
user457812
20:26
Given how many programmers there are, I think they could afford to skip over quite a few in looking for one
Rather, can get me out...
That's what my point is.
Gotta negotiate technical skills for vocals
At least in case of programming
Also it could be possible there are bad English speaking duffers in apple, if there can be bad pronunciation guys. Many a times Chinese Russians have won Google code jam where English is again not main speaking language. Someone saying no I won't hire the winner as he sucks in English although he's so good.. funny
user457812
Duffers?
user457812
I'd imagine anyone particularly stupid wouldn't last long at Apple.
user457812
20:42
Either way, it's not worth spending time on. If they care about a computer-run test to determine English fluency, which is mostly impossible to test for using a computer, then that's their problem.
user457812
Similarly, if you apply for a job where they expect you to have good English speaking skills, that's your problem, not theirs.
Duffers in English I meant :-)
user457812
They don't have to compromise on good X and bad Y.
I know that was their requirement. I was debating on the importance of vocals or technical skills for horing a developer
Hiring*
When you say x is your requirement but practically there exists a case where you continue without x proves x isn't actually your requirement. That's all I was trying to say and said and hopefully proved it as well.
 
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user457812
22:17
@Chris You've got write access. Read the rules, follow them, make a stampede form them, etc.
22:58
hey @nil
user457812
23:34
Eh?
23:54
where do everyone go?
user457812
Probably working on stuff or something else.
probably

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