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7:00 PM
regarding that developer I've mentioned, if we didn't have a document signed by him taking responsibility for the outcome of his work, we'd have our butt on fire by the end of the project lol
 
Candidates coming for Interviews should register, fill in details before coming for Interview and in return get id with which they gotta arrive. In this way all candidates interviewed will also be saved automatically.
Then for every incoming candidiate their resumes are accessed on person's machines who is Interviewing
No paper work. I forgot to hammer them by asking why they do so much of paper work in Interviews.
They usually ask if we have any questions. I couldn't remember to ask
 
Hello Everyone.
 
Wow.. Here he comes.
 
Have you been missing me?
:)
 
hahahaha
I have been past many days, but realized it's seriously something past few days
 
7:10 PM
Respects everyone's wishes. Yeah please check transcripts. There have been a long discussion to bring you back.
 
Hey there :D
 
Ah, yes.
 
Well @laladala was going to do some "Yagna" to bring Abizern back here. Like farmers do pray for the rain.. :P
 
lol
 
But really, I need to wean myself off the addiction.
 
7:11 PM
lol
noooooooo
 
WHOA!
I can't believe it.
 
I was trying to get some iOS work over the new year - and they both turned me down as I don't have my own apps in the store.
 
You could have put that in these words " Being a one of the top IT companies why do you still prefer lengthy paper work procedure instead of setting up everything online and why not go green?" @laladala
 
I don't have my own apps in the store either...but you do have a nice portfolio of apps you've done for other people, I presume?
 
Why do we need to have our own apps?
 
7:13 PM
And It's hard to justify spending time with basic level questions when I should be working on my own apps
 
I don't answer basic level questions
 
No we will take care of it.
 
Neither should you. That's what Google is for.
 
Unfortunately - the ones that I can talk about are few and a while ago.
I've been spending a lot of time writing small units of code for others.
 
nil has made it a new rule not to ask question directly here. Post on SO and share the link here.
 
7:14 PM
I've just spent 2.5 days writing unit tests for someone.
 
This room is now only for discussion, not for answering questions.
 
wow xD
 
Actually that isn't a bad idea. Keep the chat here - but the real questions on the site.
 
And whoever doesn't follows goes out. We could still be few good people in here.
 
Yep. I don't mind the chat so much, it's the mindless "how to do X" questions. At least on the site I might get points for answering them.
 
7:16 PM
and about work, we can fix that :D
 
and really, there's been so much you've missed in the meantime... I think @laladala has quit and been hired by at least three companies over the last two weeks.
 
Also it's not true that we don't learn from you. I did, everyone does ny our discussion. I have no other source of learning but this and it's cos of few good people like you.
 
That includes one of the top IT company of India
 
I saw she was demoralised about being rejected over her English.
Which is odd, because I find her more than adequately capable of communicating in here.
As I said - you don't really need my help.
 
Recently I got selected in India's #2 IT company, Infosys, as Technology Analyst. I owe a lot to you. I feel confident in my Interviews.
 
7:18 PM
Good for you.
 
No I do. Your presence makes me confident. Just stay here and pop in only when you want to.
 
Okay - I'll try.
 
Everybody else needs you too.
 
yay :D
 
And as I said, we will only be few good people here. So the matter of getting disturbed won't exist.
I was rejected for my english skills only to get selected in Infosys. But unfortunately I am not accepting that offer as it's outside Mumbai. But that even makes me more proud that I am rejecting India's #2 IT company offer.
 
7:20 PM
I've just tidied up the access list.
 
I suppose writing and speaking English is different. You need to be more focused while speaking while in writing you can always halt think for few seconds and articulate your words.
 
Very different xD
 
I would have until now, but I am not an owner yet.
I hate all other room owners :D
 
thank you.
 
very true rohan. as a native speaker, I feel the same way.
 
7:22 PM
Please make her owner. She deserves that
 
You need 20 more points, I think.
 
^Lol
 
Had a director from a gaming company from Israel come to Brazil, his english wasn't really great haha
 
oww Okay, I will answer few more questions!
 
it's something that's good to have but being able to communicate is enough, you don't have to be a freaking english ninja in this area
 
7:23 PM
an English ninja, that's a funny concept
 
No if you are handling client I suppose fluency is required. :-D
 
It's importance changes with what role in the company you have
 
true, but i think non-verbal interaction skills may become more valuable.
 
yes, waving your arms and stomping your feet get a lot of attention.
 
i've stopped doing that. i've realized it has no value in a conference call.
 
7:24 PM
never forget the most important one, pointing fingers haha
 
"pointing the finger of blame"
 
I will update the House Rules after becoming owner. It's good to have you here, but yes we do agree you need time for other important things. So may be you can just stay here, be busy with your own stuffs and pop in upon your wish.
 
That's the important one.
@laladala Just fork mine and add what you want, I'll merge them back in.
 
Sure. I'll do it.
 
interoffice diplomacy is something that is a great skill. The difference between blaming someone, and helping to defuse an issue is crucial.
 
7:27 PM
I was gonna lure you back here by getting prepared for an iOS event :D
 
Yes, but that ability is quite rare nowdays
 
That wouldn't lure me. :D
 
Worth a try? :-)
 
I've been experiencing this these last clients
 
what sort of event? I'm itching to start forcing myself to learn something new.
 
I am sure you would at least attend those events. So I would then just increase the frequency of events.
 
yep we'd been down that path of enlightening me earlier. i meant what sort of topics were being considered for this time around.
 
Yet to be decided I suppose.
 
I am prepared for - State preservation and restoration feature introduced in iOS 6.0. Topics could be anything by anyone.
But instead of dumping texts, I need to make a blog that you would read and then we discuss here.
 
yeah. i'd started a tumblr account and find i only post code snippets. non-tech friends think i'm a bit crazy now.
 
7:31 PM
Lately I've been busy with Interviews.
 
user457812
Weee lasagna
 
I am prepared for coding whole night
 
what you going to be working on tonight? That module you'd mentioned the other day?
 
@nil I see you really like lasagna...
@laladala Coffee powah!
xD
 
Whoa.. Site went down for few mins?
 
7:37 PM
Yeah. Tomorrow is last day. I believe it's friday which they are hiding from us.
 
last day ?
 
Last day of my module.
 
Go Go Go!
 
oh, I see xD
 
I can do it from office but I don't want to take risks. Also the QA time I gotta allot too. So let's get it done now.
 
7:39 PM
do you do the QA also or do u have a different group for that?
 
There are some developer hating QA group.
 
better than my company, where the mindset seems to be "the developers should adequately QA their own work"
 
Some of them are dumbs. So in this app I gotta save unique locations. Uniqueness I determine by lat/long. But different lat/long may still belong to same area of Interest, giving impression to the tester that same location (because place name remains same) is saved twice, thrice, etc So I had to explain him by showing both locations on google maps, see they are so close to each other, etc etc
 
interesting.
 
Also considering some EPSILON value for lat/long doesn't seem to work 'cos two nearby lat/long differentiated by EPSILON may actually belong to different area of interest. Finally client is banging his head on this after I explained it to him
 
7:45 PM
Do you write unit tests for any of your code?
 
Never done it. Now you see why do we need you here? :P
 
+1 ^
 
Have a look at this It might give you some ideas youtu.be/WADaMF79Vts
Other communities, such as Ruby, are far more focused on Test Driven Development than Cocoa Developers. But it is possible.
 
That's interesting. we'd talked about TDD for iOS at NSCoder last month. It seems at least with the group that was there, we don't work at companies that embrace or scope work for TDD.
 
You have an NSCoder Night? Where?
 
7:50 PM
Boston
 
Unit tests was something I wanted to look into. But my skills are so Interview oriented ><
 
Must be cool, having those Coder nights D: never seen one of those around here, sadly
 
how many folks show up to yours? Boston's was just started two months ago, only 10-15 have shown up so far. Cocoaheads gets about 25-40 people.
 
@thiagocfb Just start one. Where are you?
 
7:52 PM
Brazil xD
 
@thiagocfb City :)
@propstm between 5 and 25 depending on the time of year.
 
I have 2 very demanding jobs, not sure I'd have time for that haha If I were to set one up, I'd work to make it of high quality, which would demand quite some time
@Abizern São Paulo !
 
@thiagocfb looks like Sao Paulo has one.
 
gonna check out about this, never heard of it
thanks !
 
See. You don't have to do anything. I don't. People turn up. some pull out laptops and ask for help or show some nice code, others just talk and socialise.
 
7:54 PM
aside from getting code written, it's a good way to meet ios developers around town.
 
…and OS X devs…
Right - I'm off for dinner. I'll be back tomorrow sometime.
 
Yes, I'm going to check it out... When I was more into the Java scene, there were lots of events like that
 
See you
muhahaha I got him back. Now you guys gotta gift me something
 
I enjoy going to those, except for those were it's a leechers convention center
 
each one of you
 
7:56 PM
lol
Cya Abizern :D
 
looks like there may be a cocoaheads group in sao paulo also. trying to find a link for ya
i can't find any more info other than this twitter.com/borkware/status/251349274133143552
 
I'll check if it's really up, many of these events tend to die before they actually happen, we don't have this concept of community meetup very active around here
 
it was @thiagocfb who wrote mail I suppose. Not you @laladala :P :P
 
which is sad haha most of the ones that actually happen come directly from the company responsible for the technology (Oracle, Microsoft and so on)
 
oh? I whats this then?
 
8:03 PM
it looks like a screenshot
 
lol.. It was pun inteneded.
 
oh!
 
haha xD
 
He said you Moti (Word for Fat in Hindi ) :P
haha
 
8:05 PM
Am I? See my pic in screenshot.
 
if you could check how many google queries with your name as parameters happend since you've posted that screenshot .. XD
meh :( other company asking to have a con-call ~~ gotta go home to answer them
cya guys :) till later
 
see ya
 
btw, that was a joke, don't hate me ! haha
 
I hate social networking. I am on LinkedIn but as unsearchable.
Google can't do much
 
What happened to your rule of going to sleep at 12 every night? :-)
 
8:12 PM
I've given up hiding myself.
 
I do, but tonight that subroutine has thrown an exception.
 
i'm mostly unsearchable on facebook, but i'm on LinkedIn, and my domain and twitter, and stack overflow username are all my last name and first initial.
 
Companies use it for some purposes.
Tracing candidates before sending them offer letters
Nothing's wrong with my account, but I am better unsearchable.
Some even check facebook activities.
But I believe those are stupid companies !?
Also I find it funny people keep on adding connections. I just have 12
 
i follow about 130 people on twitter but nearly 600 follow me.
 
They add unnecessarily. Few of my connections.
And on iOS groups in LinkedIn, the posts are getting like SO questions.
 
8:20 PM
oh i don't mind people following me, i only follow those i know, or find relevant (or interesting)
 
Looks like my parents can't find out I am still awake. I have turned off the lights and coding.
 
hiding?
have you encountered any recruiters or HR people who care about Stack Overflow reputation? I realized the other day when i finally got over 1000 that no one really seems to care.
 
I don't think big and good companies would care 'cos they are sure they would hire who they want. And that they do it on their own, not needing any online reputation.
Conversely, anyone with good reputation to be proud of will get selected without actually showing his/her reputation.
So the point of showing reputation for getting selected is vague.
 
i think i'd worked to gain that reputation was for me, but retroactively i think i wonder if anyone else cares. I think it helps me to validate what i've taken the time to learn.
 
8:36 PM
It's pointless to include it in resumes. Time, effort, etc taken to learn that we know is anyways judged based on what we deliver in interviews. I am sure good/big companies would never care of reputation 'cos they can themselves judge candidates, thats why they are good.
 
yeah i think that's why a lot ask for what apps you've created.
that's a much more practical knowledge.
 
Yes, now a days companies ask, download, check and cross question 'cos its easy to say I've developed this app. It happened with me in recent interviews.
 
the didn't believe you?
 
They did. I didn't include fake apps in my resume.
 
no i think its crazy that someone would fake making an app, or lie about it.
 
8:42 PM
They ask questions on our apps to verify if we've actually developed it and not just included it in resumes.
 
i'd much rather walk people through my code, explain why i built it the way i did.
 
No, it's absolutely easy to download a free app, see how it works. Then imagine if we could develop it. If we could, think about it based on app design and finally add it to resume.
Then it depends on how the interviewer verifies the authenticity of app development
 
i feel like i almost always get crazy whiteboard questions.
which i feel i'm poor at because there is no documentation.
 
It's worth a shot for some. It might happen they dont ask you any on it.
 
yeah
 
8:47 PM
@rohan-patel lol I never thought you actually look like that
 
@laladala Means?
I look innocent, do not I?
 
Means I had some other self generated image in my mind based on your photo in gmail, that I've always and only seen yet, which doesn't show your face clearly.
 
lol..
It happnes.
 
I completed but got bored formatting an HTML to display in the mail body of MFMailComposeViewController.
 
really? why not just set the email setting to text only?
mailcomposerviewcontroller gets a ton more complicated when u have to build an HTML email and worry about where image assets live and making sure css works correctly
 
8:55 PM
Its rich text, with no images. Client is so stylish.
 
ha. keepin it classy :-)
 
Writing those html formatted strings is headache ><
 
yep
that was one of the things i had to do for last week's deadline
 
9:08 PM
Got it working in one go. Good stuff. Moving to next task.
 
9:31 PM
@laladala Aaeen.. Still awake? :-O
 
Yeah. But on bed now. Parents came to know I was awake coding lol
Not gotta fool them. I think I'll sleep for couple of hours and get back at 5am. I need 3 more hours for my next task.
Now gotta fool them*
 
well since you are working, doesn't that give any value to them staying up?
i'd probably be more stressed about getting it done by the deadline, but that's me.
 
I'd too. But unless I sleep they can't sleep. Too much worried and/or love me :-)
 
that's a good thing :-)
 
So I'll be back after a short dream.
 
user457812
9:46 PM
I swear, every time finals rolls around, I come up with some weird new project. Need to stop doing that.
 
user457812
@JeffreyLang You've got write access. Read the rules and all that junk or I'll throw you to the man-eating kittens.
 
Hello
 
user457812
10:04 PM
I have pistachios, therefore I win.
 
Any Mac OSX app developer awake ? kinda need some help
 
user457812
No, this room is secretly for Fortran coders.
 
ok i do not know what that means ( from holland / dutch ).
 
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