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10:00 PM
yea, they're youtube videos.
 
hrm. i dont know then. i don't think that where he's not the SME, they are paying them.
maybe they are though?
 
That's good, because there doesn't seem to be anything on set theory on this site.
 
not in some of the more complex algebras?
 
not sure. I just searched "set theory" and expected a hit
 
im no maths guy, but that might come under discrete algebra? check the calculus tracks
ive been promising myself to go through the calc tracks for over a month.. just have to make the time for myself
 
10:05 PM
You guys were saying there are better alternatives to Kahn Academy?
 
let me see if i can find the somethingawful.com thread about it. they had a ton in there
 
I'll ask my cousin. I'm about to get on webex right now with him. He's researched Khan and others in depth.
 
@KendallFrey do you remember what time you got for Euler41? I get 44s :(
 
if its locked down, let me know
 
must log in
 
10:07 PM
it is locked down
 
doh
this is a cs site, it might have some of the maths: udacity.com
saylor.org is an aggregator of those sites. might be a great starting point for searching
 
awesome, thanks
 
np. Goons to the rescue
 
udacity looks neat
 
@Billdr Here is a catalogue of online education stuff, most link to youtube but it is a nice compilation
 
10:10 PM
after I finish my paid-for crappy degree I might make a trip through it
 
the goons said that udacity isnt updated frequently.
 
YouTube should offer Masters degrees.
 
If you find Stanford or MIT stuff it is generally very high quality
 
Although not upper division or masters level
 
iTunesU is a great way to get the stanford and MIT stuff easily
 
10:11 PM
Yeah but the MIT courses are usually just the first lecture of a course
On youtube anyway
idk if Stanford is the same way
 
Does iTunesU do the entire MIT course?
because learning discrete math from MIT would be pretty awesome.
 
the ones i looked at seemed to have most of the courses, some including notes.
 
free education vs installing iTunes. It's a tough call.
 
agreed
i used my ipad for it, that way my windows machines don't get all nastified
 
10:13 PM
I have a master degree but none of it is programming so I just noob my way inch by inch every day :)
 
@JohanLarsson I want to have your babies.
 
@Billdr but why?
 
My cousin says there's one called learnzillion or something
 
Because that link is the greatest
 
where is the fetus going to gestate? Are you going to keep it in a box?
 
10:14 PM
maybe only high school lessons
 
ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/… is how I'm going to understand the material this awful course is trying to teach me.
 
lol!
 
mathxl is apparently really good, but there's a small charge.
 
the first image for mit's ui design course:
 
10:16 PM
electrical?
 
I like primary colors o.O
 
@Billdr Also check out the universities channels on Youtube
 
each of those lessons has a youtube video embedded. It's a one-stop shop.
 
rofl!
Course Features
Assignments (no solutions)
Projects (no examples)
 
2 years on mathxl is $100
but he says it's really good
you can look at the titles. idk how high it gets in math, but it's made by pearsons and they do all the college text books.
 
10:19 PM
so they are masters of obtuse writing?
 
@Billdr make sure to keep us updated with questions, not just rounding errors :)
 
@JohanLarsson How do you mean?
 
@Billdr that cos thing was not very exiting :)
 
well, it leads to a broader question
How would one do calculus with C#?
Because week 1 did not go so well.
 
painfully
 
10:22 PM
@Billdr May I suggest the c++ room? There are a couple of guys there who are really good. Probably not a good idea to dump half a screen of code without saying hi though.
 
I'd rather do it in C#
I'm sure it's possible.
 
@Billdr calculus with programming languages is tough, unless you want to do it numerically.
 
unfortunately I'm wrestling with IE8 at the moment.
 
@Billdr c++ room is still a very good place imo, just sayin'
 
10:24 PM
@ChadRuppert I'm fine using the Math library, generally. The problem seems to be floating points suck.
 
floating point always sucks.
 
@Billdr What was this about?
 
@Billdr floating points do suck.
 
i remember when floating point math came on a separate chip
mmm dx processors
 
Would the proper name be anus point numbers?
 
10:26 PM
@JohanLarsson The problem was illustrated by that cos thing from yesterday. The number should have gone from 1, to 0, to -1 and back. However, since decimal places were involved in that movement the code came out wrong.
 
@Billdr was your task to work around that or just calculate the answer?
 
It was just to calculate the answer. However, math at that level is boring, and it's more fun to try to program it.
actually, that class is going to have me programming a bunch of crap into VBA macros, so I'll have to think of a solution eventually.
 
i think matlab is your solution there.
 
I might just write a class with two methods, one to multiply an int by a hundred million, and another to divide by a hundred million. Then I'll run all my numbers through it.
 
@ChadRuppert Scilab or Octave, better to learn oss alternatives imo
 
10:30 PM
Didn't know there were OSS alternatives out there. neat.
 
Neat
 
there are many, Sage is one, R, there are a bunch
 
do they have a wrapper for c# like matlab appears to?
 
R is a C# lib, isn't it?
 
Matlab is good but then you might end up in an ugly spot where your employer will not pay for it, oss really shines then.
 
10:32 PM
it is also the least seo name ever.
 
fair enough
 
@Billdr Don't think so, might be ported though
 
r-project.org
no, the least SEO product name i can recall was some build tool. boobs i think
 
ha
 
something like that. it was terrible
yeah, it was boobs boo build system
i cant believe i remembered that from 2007. if someone could dump my brain...
 
10:36 PM
Evenin' folks
 
I have a
    List<IOfType> display = new List<IOfType>();
    ..... add objects that inherit from interface IOfType
    DataContext = display;
The IOfType is a interface with a `virtual string Parameter` Property.  How do I declare my binding to use each indexes own Parameter property? Remember, the types in the List are different but inherit from `IOfType`
 
Hi Rob
 
you can't declare a property on an interface as virtual?
 
I have a question -- is there anything in the .NET framework which could be used to serialize the messages sent to and from an IRC server
out of the box
 
@ChadRuppert public virtual string Parameter { get; set; } is legal?
 
10:39 PM
not in an interface its not.
on an implementation it is
 
ah, you're right. its a parent class. my fault.
 
either way when you iterate over the list, it should call the appropriate implementation property. are you seeing behavior where it's not?
@nopygod, not OOB, but there are a few libs. try ircdotnet
 
Hey Billdr, how's the Blackjack going?
 
8
Q: IRC client library in C#

ty.I want to embed a small chat window in my program that will function as a basic IRC client. Are there any well-known, simple, and secure C# libraries that will allow me to do basic things such as connect, disconnect, list users, and private message? It seems like some of the more popular librar...

 
good god, internet explorer is a terrible browser.
 
10:41 PM
goddamnit, stop posting interesting links.
 
which version?
 
IE8
it won't even load my webpage
after clearing cache and cookies
 
@Pheonixblade9 it took you until now to realise this?
 
i dont know that's the browser @Pheonixblade9 <g>
 
no, it's just pissing me off
 
10:42 PM
@Pheonixblade9, page?
 
`{Binding ElementName=display[0], Path=Parameter}`
`{Binding Path=Parameter}`
`{Binding Path=display[0].Parameter}`
have all failed me. When I added the virtual property to the parent class the second option added only the 0 index Parameter string
format fail, again :/
 
wait, what are we binding to?
 
even the debugger is shitty. Like, I have to reload the page to start debugging? really?
 
thats because it uses comms with VS, no?
 
@ChadRuppert I'll check out the source code thanks
 
10:45 PM
@ChadRuppert well, I don't use that feature.
I use Firebug
 
in ie?
 
how can I get processor info using c#?
 
Every multiple of 2 is the sum of two primes.
 
@ChadRuppert binding to Content (the text) of a checkbox
 
@klut is this webforms? winforms?
 
10:47 PM
@Billdr 6?
 
3
 
@Billdr if you say product I argee though
 
@DemCodeLines what info are you after?
 
3+3
 
@Billdr ok, lemme find one :)
 
10:49 PM
@ChadRuppert WPF
 
Like the one you see here:
@RobWhite ^
 
Ah, description of what the processor is?
 
someone here is a better WPF guy. who is that?
 
Kendall
 
10:51 PM
and of course he's not here
 
0
Q: How can I get the processor NAME of my machine using C#(.NET 3.5)?

deleteI need to find the Name and speed of the processor on my machine. I'm building an open source help desk suite and finding this really entertaining! Thanks for the help guys!

Not tried it before so gave it a quick search
 
@Billdr looks like you are right! (I should never have doubted)
 
WMI :(
 
@DemCodeLines unfortunately it looks like that's the case - did give it a quick non-WMI search but didn't find any quick answers
 
10:53 PM
@demcod, what os versions are you targeting? if its win8, check the winRT stuff
 
@JohanLarsson It's not proven for all natural numbers, but it seems to be accurate.
 
@Billdr good enough for me, I was surprised, dunno why
 
It doesn't seem like it should be right
but... apparently it is
 
now rewrite that with linq.
 
10:57 PM
any jQuery folks in here wanna hop into the js room to help little ol' rlemon
rlemon is using jQuery and does not understand shiz.
 
what, really?
rlemon touched the evil jquery?
 
I probably misread the docs.
@ChadRuppert i'm..... writing a plugin (shhhh)
iz whr da big bukks are.
 
do you feel dirty now?
 
kinda. bloated actually.
in JavaScript, 2 mins ago, by rlemon
function fun() {
  $(selector).animate(options);
}
function end() {
  alert('done');
}
var def = $.Deferred();
def.done(fun, end); // nothing.
my favorite quote (of mine) :P is
 
@JohanLarsson Scary.
 
10:58 PM
> Eating at McDonalds always make me feel so jQuery.
 
rlemon, did you see this? darcyclarke.me/development/…
oh, thats last year. boo on me
 
@rlemon Which is why i prefer ajax in the box
 
Basically what i'm trying to overcome is I have a multiple elements being acted upon in the animate (multiple selectors) and I need a unified callback for when all of the animations are done.
I thought $(selectors).animate(options).done(end); would work but alas it didn't
 
what has the world come to when @rlemon uses jQuery!?
 
hey @TravisJ
 
11:04 PM
Especially when you are using the most inefficient part of jQuery. Don't you know each time you issue animate you start a new timer? There should just be 1 timer which is used for all timing.
@Rob - hows it goin :)
 
Well it hasn't come to an end so far so I guess it even survived @rlemon nevermind the Mayans
 
@TravisJ actually it's a stupid issue I don't care to fix any other way.
$('html,body') // 'html' selector for FF and 'body' for webkit browsers
 
@rlemon i don't think its going to work the way you want, unless you chain the animations for the defer call. i assume the are parallel animations?
 
@Rlemon - just count the selectors, have a counter set to 0, have each animation call a function when complete, if the counter < selectors count return, otherwise run your done functionality
 
@Travis fairly well in general for the moment - attending my first dev meetup tomorrow after work which should be interesting :)
 
11:05 PM
I could figure out some feature detection and use the appropriate selector, I just didn't see it worth the effort.
the css would need to be applied to the body element in all other browsers but FF where it needs to be on the html element. dunno why. so only one animation is run, but two callbacks are fired.
the second animation is technically 'run' but no the element in that renderer doesn't support it so yea. bad solution but using a bad library to support it anyways :P
 
45 minute MIT lecture and I still have no idea how to prove a set is correct.
 
@rlemon use $.when
 
that sounds like MIT to me
 
@Kyle on the can right now. Will check it post-poop
 
11:11 PM
classy!
 
TMI
5
A: jQuery.when - Callback for when ALL Deferreds are no long 'unresolved' (either resolved or rejected)?

AlnitakI think the easiest way to do this is to keep a secondary Deferred object around for each AJAX request, and ensure that that one is always resolved: var d1 = $.Deferred(); var d2 = $.Deferred(); var j1 = $.getJSON(...).complete(d1.resolve); var j2 = $.getJSON(...).complete(d2.resolve); $.when(...

 
just thought you all should know.
 
RAM size, Hard disk size and all that info is not in the registry, is it?
 
$.when accepts multiple deferreds, and returns a promise
that promise only resolves when all the deferreds resolve
 
yeah, that sounds like the way to go
or you can chain them to do kind of the same thing. api.jquery.com/deferred.done
defferred.done(anim1, anim2,anim3).done(finalfunc)
and then defferred.resolve() to trigger them
 
11:14 PM
or you can always
var doneOverload = (function(){
var done = function(){ return this; };
return done();
})();
that will get things movin
 
done overloaded indeed
 
we need to go deeper!
var doneOverload2 = (function(){
    var doneOverload = (function(){
        var done = function(){ return this; };
        return done();
    })();
    return doneOverload();
})();
 
what, no recursion?
there we go, much nastier
wait, no
 
break; yes.
tired of waiting^
 
11:18 PM
oh. heh. oops. :)
 
@Billdr did you try to run it? It is insanely fast.
 
i bet there's a big table of primes in it.
 
@JohanLarsson No, I need to understand how to do this thing.
 
@ChadRuppert but the code is there + links in comments
 
@JohanLarsson it was a joke.
 
11:21 PM
lol ok I'm slow, again
 
can some answer an encrytion question?
 
Someone can.
 
it might not be us
 
function because() {
  var         I                                               =null,
              can;


  while(can!==I) { I = Math.random()>0.99?undefined:I; }
}
 
but can you ask?
 
11:22 PM
he's starstruck. rlemon said somethign.
 
> ReferenceError: ask is not defined
 
Microwaved Chinese food, for when your life is too sad for take-out.
 
so how bad is it when you microwave this mornings leftover mac and cheese for dinner... :(
 
RSACryptoServiceProvider rsaKey = new RSACryptoServiceProvider(int.MaxValue, CspProviderFlags.///);
 
That's about 1.25 Billdrs sad, Lemon
 
11:24 PM
I want to know what is the most secure options for this
For example that CspProviderFlags would be the most secure
 
realized: one, craft dinner isn't the name of the food; second, it's mother fucking KRAFT not craft. I'm an idiot.
 
and am I right that using the larget possible key bit value will make it more hard to hack?
 
Usually.
 
it will also make it slow as fsck
 
^
 
11:26 PM
ooops. beer kicked in
 
now back to my $.Issues('(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻');
 
Invalid selector
 
wasn't a selector.... :P
read again.
 
@rlemon did $.when work?
 
@ChadRuppert talking to me??????
 
11:27 PM
Oh, sorry, that's supposed to be an argument.
 
$.Issues = function(str) {
  console.log(str); // yea... eat it
};
 
λ.Issues();
 
Lemon, did I ask you to hack my website yet?
I read your jquery question, I don't have an answer other than do what Kyle says, because Kyle is smart.
 
yes @JABFreeware using the largest int possible will make the encryption extremely slow
 
guys
I have no motivation
someone motivate me
 
11:29 PM
possibly. but you would have to give me motivation. like make a hidden directory of porn somewhere on the webserver and make a single landing page to it behind all of your security. Give me 3 hours (or wait for my status to flip to 'busy' for like 4 minutes than back again) then ask me how I did.
 
@ChadRuppert I am aware of that, but in my case I just have to done small file and I tested the speed. Its not a problem in my case. What about the the flags, there are several. Is this one the hardest to break? CspProviderFlags.UseMachineKeyStore
 
@KyleTrauberman I've got $50 worth of bitcoins if you can hack me: splinter.azurewebsites.net/BlackJack
Are you motivated?
 
@kyle - if you are not motivated your child will not be motivated and you will have to support him for his entire life
3
 
!motivation :P the word I was looking for
 
@JABFreeware you also have diminishing returns for the value.
 
11:30 PM
 
2048 bits is probably reasonable enough to not get hacked.
 
@TravisJ I'm normally motivated, I've just been in a bored slump lately
 
@ChadRuppert Okay.
 
@KyleTrauberman Fantastic.
 
am i a bad man?
 
11:32 PM
new game button is broken
 
ha
 
@KyleTrauberman No, it's just not smart enough to tell dumb users to place a bet first.
 
when was the leaderboard updated? It is interesting to see how fast Billdr is moving, should have some kind of animation for that. Would it be much work to implement a chart showing stars vs time?
 
@ChadRuppert thanks that should help me!
 
np
for some reason people asking about cracking encryption makes me giggle.
 
man, if only we cared as much about leaderboard position in the js room. I'd be all like "Yo i'm number one!", but sadly we do not. All I can say in here is "Hey ya'll, I'm the 6th in this shiz!", but because i'm sixth no one cares either. I win and I lose, I lose and I lose. How do you win?
 
I win whenever I don't have to see you complain about jquery. ;)
 
@Billdr this thing doesn't save my bet
I have to keep reselecting the bet value I want.
 
11:36 PM
@KyleTrauberman How'd you manage that?
 
then don't bring up the subject ;) see how easy that is? :P
 
after every hand
 
@KyleTrauberman I would not play that game (assuming poker, but if not poker. still.)
 
@Billdr nevermind, I'm dumb
@rlemon free bitcoin blackjack
 
11:38 PM
Anyone good with big O notation? Do scalars matter, so is O(2n) actually the same as O(n)?
 
@KyleTrauberman What were you doing? I might have to put some ui around it.
 
I had a serious failure to notice the difference between 0.01 and 0.1
 
yea, I can't do much to solve that.
 
yea, that's a problem.
Which browser?
 
11:39 PM
chrome
 
dafuq
 
@Timm I think so but I suck
 
@Billdr so you built a bitcoin launderer?
 
I'll take a look at that when I get a chance.
 
11:40 PM
and ^
 
@Johan haha ok cheers, might ask SO
 
@ChadRuppert sure.
 
@Timm It has been asked a couple of times think, gonna see if I can find it
 
sweet
 
@Billdr
I refreshed and it looks fine now
 
11:42 PM
Maybe azure was slow to serve up the js/css
 
or it served a cached version?
 
go to google.com and search for

hudson asp.net
 
then I did a game, and hit deposit again
and its crapped out again
 
google gives you a capcha. wtf
 
11:43 PM
Ooooh
 
so it only does that after a game
 
I know what the problem is. Thanks.
 
np
where's my 50BTC?
 
Sitting in that wallet, waiting for you to hack it.
 
11:43 PM
^ Table Flip: the arcade game.
 
in Mathematics on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 55 secs ago, by Brian M. Scott
@JohanLarsson Are you talking about big-O notation, rates of growth, etc.? If so, the answer is yes.
 
wut O_o ??
 
@Timm^ we have an answer from a 100k math exchange guy^
 
@Billdr liar
 
Not lying at all. It's right there. Hack it.
 
11:44 PM
4.25 < 50
 
which is worth about $50usd
 
you said 50BTC, not $50
 
you said 50btc. i feel ripped off
 
@Billdr I'll hack it on one condition but you must agree to the condition before I tell you it. And it is not 'tell me the password', don't worry.
 
scam! scam!
 
11:45 PM
nope
I'm wrong
16 mins ago, by Billdr
@KyleTrauberman I've got $50 worth of bitcoins if you can hack me: http://splinter.azurewebsites.net/BlackJack
 
I said nothing of the sort. I said "I've got $50 worth of bitcoins if you can hack me: splinter.azurewebsites.net/";
 
oh dammit
no scam! no scam!
 
i win. i got the yellow screen
 
50btc is like $1400.
@rlemon Nope.
 
11:46 PM
I can't wait until bitcoins inflate to the level of the USD
 
now its the default mvc site
 
I like having 50 of something more than 4.25 of something
 
you can trade the 4.25 of something in for <50 of something else.
 
ill trade you this 50 bux for your 4.25 pounds of gold.
why is it so slow?
 
@Billdr but you don't know the condition. It could have worked in your favor. walks away whistling...
 
11:50 PM
Trust no one.
 
I trust the people who manufacture my underwear. They're always covering my ass.
 
Mah, they're a perpetuating a wide spread cover-up.
 
I wonder if you can recreate the Windows 8 start menu in C#
 
if you are patient and crazy?
 
thats how I feel about pants. Underwear are practical. Think running nude. probably not so fun.
 
11:53 PM
@ChadRuppert ?
 
which startmenu are you referring to? the typeahead?
 
yeah, sure you could recreate that, but the important question, is why the hell would you want to? :)
 
It has been made in JS too, there is nothing stopping you.
 
11:55 PM
except sanity
 
Has it really? Where?
 
on "the google"
 
Shrugs I'll go through my browser history. I ran into it a few days again. Sec.
 
jsfiddle has gone downhill since their update
 
That's actually what I ran into -- WP7 -- but yeah, it's the same thing really.
 
11:57 PM
@TravisJ agreed
there are more that I found on a quick google search
 
Well, I am talking about creating it in C#, not html and css
 
looks like something that could be done using exclusively CSS with some browser limitations but performance increases (probably better touch experience with CSS vs JS for animation, however that is pure speculation).
 
C# is a lot more powerful than HTML/CSS/JS. There is nothing stopping it.
 
@DemCodeLines well you got all excited at the notion of JS so I just threw this out there as well.
 
bwhahah
 

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