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4:57 AM
@markalex It’s closed now, but don’t worry. It’s probably gonna be reopened in a few hours.
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship Truth be told, I hoped that OP would come and clarify their question, so we can avoid closure. That's why I didn't format it as cv-pls. And even more, I don't really care that much: it is just hilariously bad question, with three premature answers.
 
voting to close is actually the correct action; it can then be reopened if they do come back and clarify it
 
And I personally don't see perspective for close/reopen war: two of three answerers lowrep, non of regulars (for such wars) showed interest. But maybe I'm to optimistic. Guess time will show.
 
Regex questions need editing? Don’t be joking. Of course they don’t. They just need reopening.
 
@tripleee I know, but I prefer to wait for some time, to give OP a chance to clarify question without closing and then reopening same question. I'd request cv-pls later today if it wasn't closed already and wasn't clarified by that time.
 
5:12 AM
in some more detail, it is telling you that your reply was interpreted as feedback, but you are not authorized to post feedback to metasmoke from this room. You can request these privileges from a room owner if you like, or join Charcoal HQ where we will be happy to give you those privileges in that room if you have a metasmoke account (this extends to any regular of this room)
 
I already have access in Charcoal, actually.
 
oh right, this just comes up from time to time so I thought it was ripe for another sermon
 
Thanks for the explanation, though. :P
 
5:27 AM
oh $dmr there are 9 pages of these stackoverflow.com/…
 
!!/amiprivileged
!!/alive
 
@cocomac ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
 
 
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9:00 AM
What's this?!? Looks to be an automatically generated Discord request where they've failed to insert some values. Is that spam or just NAA?
 
 
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11:02 AM
 
11:33 AM
Is there a way to find all my answers to closed questions? If I understood correctly, standard SO search query wouldn't allow it.
 
@markalex doesn't something like isclosed:true work? Assuming you don't have tons of closed questions
 
Might need 10k pries?
er, privs. I hate autocorrect
 
I don't think so; closed questions are visible by all.
 
Oh, right, I'm thinking deleted questions
 
And searching deleted posts is a pain anyhow. You can only see your own deleted posts AFAIK
 
11:36 AM
No, if you have the privs, go to your profile, click on Answers, and at the bottom is a link for Deleted Answers
 
@aynber yes, but only your own. You cannot search them as you would with questions
 
true
 
@Adriaan If I understand correctly (and I might very well not) isclosed:true should be applied to question, and user:21363224 to answer, and it seems impossible.
Oh, and just in case it is closed, not isclosed
 
I have absolutely no idea what this answer is about or how it is related to the question. But should the whole Q/A be wiped away?
 
@AdrianMole no idea either, but yes, the Q is not very useful for future visitors. We don't lose value when it gets deleted.
 
12:38 PM
@markalex data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1753711/…, put your user id 21363224 in the User input box
SEDE works on data from the latest Sunday so never completely up to date
and the actually useful part of the SQL is due to @rene
 
@tripleee ghe still 29 for me.
 
are you reporting a bug, or bragging about the result?
I seem to have close to 500
 
@AdrianMole Seems to be copy pasted from their other unrelated question.
 
@gre_gor I suspected something like that. But no worries - The Roomba will eat the whole thing in less than a fortnight.
 
@tripleee no, I'm surprised I answered that many questions which were later closed. Especially when I just started I seem to have answered completely unclear stuff which I'd nowadays VtC
 
12:46 PM
yeah, I cringe at my old answers from 2011 in that list
 
@tripleee Thank you.
 
Second thoughts: they probably don't. Is either Needs details or Debugging details
 
@Adriaan Yes, I don't see how you've come to the conclusion that they want to delete something.
 
@markalex they are referring back to their old question and stated they "don't want to keep it", which is why I tripped initially
 
It seems like merely out of place mention of the fact they've posted something. (And maybe got asnwer that lead to current problem)
Aha! I thought they want to keep example, or something. Thanks for explanation.
 
1:01 PM
They probably mean they don't want to keep the error, meaning they want to fix it (but expressed it in a weird way).
Still needs (debugging) details in that case
 
 
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3:52 PM
I got distracted this morning, so here is my long delayed: Morning
 
@NathanOliver huzzah!
Was your delay caused by technical glitches during a highly-advertised livestream? :-P
 
4:08 PM
At my local pub trivia last night, the host asked a programming question, and I was excited, but then he accepted the wrong answer because he didn't know that Java and JavaScript weren't the same thing -_-
even after I explained to him the differences and the full history of the answer to his question
 
You could have spend the time on SO answering questions and have the same experience
 
@TylerH A useful analogy there is "Java is to Javascript as ham is to hamsters"
 
@TylerH I hope you got legally drunk after that?
 
@rene indeed, being of age I am not sure how I could become illegally drunk
I only had a few gin and tonics though, not enough to get me tipsy let alone drunk
@JeanneDark ack, why didn't I think of that
@Machavity Can you visit the page and see what hidden, non-deleted questions are still holding onto the tag?
I guess I could give the trivia host some credit; the question was "what programming language, created in 1995, was originally named Mocha". Java and JavaScript were both created in 1995 and were both created for Sun Microsystems.
Though only JavaScript was originally named Mocha
I thought it was a rather clever question, if only the host and rest of the audience knew anything about programming to know the two are not the same...
 
4:26 PM
@TylerH I don't see anything from a mod vantage there either. There's 1200+ deleted questions. Merge tool says there's 2 that would be retagged, but it doesn't give a list
 
poo, thanks
Probably that phantom bug where empty tags aren't getting deleted correctly
 
@Adriaan reopened after nomination; RO maybe trash?
 
@tripleee thanks. Since it was successfully closed based on that request before being reopened, I moved to the graveyard instead of binning it to devnull
 
@TylerH yeah, makes sense, thanks
 
@Machavity is this merge tool you speak of a button that, when you click it, automatically merges any question tags that have been burninated or synonymized, etc. but the questions haven't been edited since the tag changes occurred?
 
4:41 PM
@TylerH It's a revisionless tag edit. Either removes the tag or replaces it with the merge tag
I don't think it uses cache to get its number, but I don't know for sure
 
Ah nice, revisionless
Though I don't think that'll fix the issue since hasn't been merged w/ anything
 
I could merge it with, say , but not sure that's useful
 
@Machavity hmm, well that probably would not be the worst... although merging it with web3js is probably better in terms of how most people probably use it
It was originally the tag for the web3.js library before there were web3-based libraries in other languages like python or java
The real-actual-web3-itself topic is probably good to synonymize to web, but then we will probably see a lot more [web] questions than before and we need to burninate [web] anyway, which would result in it getting unsynonymized if/when that day comes
So, yeah, probably synonymizing it to [web3js] is best
 
5:06 PM
Is there a point to and being separate?
 
@GeneralGrievance discussed earlier: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/363485/…
 
Good find. Tags merged
 
 
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7:20 PM
I have answered a question, that was later closed and even kept closed with audit. I would like to request [reopen-pls] for it, but since I'm "involved" it may require attention of ROs.
Initial closure was "Needs details or clarity" (quite possibly due to incorrect use of sql-server tag) - I believe I've addressed that with my edit. Audit decided to keep question closed as NAP, but I disagree with that. I believe this is the rare case of question being surely on-topic for SO, since it is basically about promQL - querying language of Prometheus.
 
8:05 PM
@markalex you are involved so that rules out you can post a *-pls. I don't think this point applies socvr.org/faq#GEfM-involved-successful-vote so I have no wiggle room left. Also looking at the time line where 6 different opted for closure, allowing it now here feels as if we're in for over turning majority of the community. I prefer to leave it for the queue to decide.
 
@rene, Ok, then bin my last two messages: I'll wait for queue results. Thanks for attention!
 
Well, I don't see the need to bin it. Maybe a fellow RO has a different opinion
 
8:25 PM
I dont think they need to be binned. IF it was an actual request, then yes, but just having a discussion is half of what this room is about.
 
although uh, the script does pick it up as a reopen-pls
I can fix that though
Now it won't
 
Nice fix
 
9:01 PM
@markalex This message was, IMO, too close to a request in its initial and later versions. In fact, you don't do anything other than state your desire that it be reopened and why. You don't ask for, nor appear to be asking for discussion. We can discuss what should be done with a particular post, even if posting a request here wouldn't be permitted, but the way this was presented was as a reopen request, but in disguise.
 
@Makyen Indeed it was a reopen request, and I did not attempt to disguise it, but rather pad with warnings about my involvement. I hoped that it should be enough to call for RO's attention and subsequent discussion.
I believe I rather openly stated my involvement and possibility that this request could be inappropriate. Sorry if my message could mislead someone.
 
@markalex That's something which we specifically don't allow. We allow discussion, but we don't allow disallowed reopen requests that are posted with a veneer of discussion. There's a bit more discussion about it in the FAQ.
I'm glad that you disclosed your involvement. Thanks you. That does help. However, it doesn't really change that the intent was to post a request which isn't allowed.
 
9:30 PM
@Makyen Ok, I see now how I was wrong.
May I suggest adding somewhere in the mentioned rule a reminder, that involved users are still free to edit and wait for question reopening through conventional queues?
 
10:27 PM
@TylerH There's even a canonical for that What's the difference between JavaScript and Java?
 
10:59 PM
@HenryEcker Sad thing it’s closed. We could add more to the list. «Sock» and «socket».
Well, they are quite similar, though. Your sock is a socket for your foot.
 
11:32 PM
 
@markalex good find. done.
 

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