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3:40 PM
in Python Ouroboros - The Rotating Knives, 11 mins ago, by roganjosh
So is the Nigerian prince and your great, great uncle's inheritance
It doesn't seem appropriate to make racist remarks which could be offensive to Nigerians.
Or to perpetuate racial stereotypes.
 
@Nike I'm not sure how this is a racist remark? It's a well-known path that hackers use
 
Can we please not do this?
 
I'd really rather not, too
 
hum, not to complain or anything Andras, but I think you also moved my tkinter-related message above. Just fyi
 
3:46 PM
sorry, will fix in a moment
 
no worries :) thanks
 
@Nike I appreciate your sensitivity and efforts to be inclusive. But "the Nigerian prince" is a common, actual scam which has become the epitome of low-effort scam emails to the point of having become a meme. Mentioning it is not racist, and it doesn't perpetuate racist stereotypes. Nobody thinks it's Nigerians who are bad people. It's idiot scammers who claim to be Nigerian princes who are bad people.
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@NordineLotfi thanks for the ping
 
4:07 PM
@nike cnbc.com/2019/04/18/… It would be good to live in a world where we can just talk about things factually and not get into racial debates
 
 
6 hours later…
10:27 PM
@AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні Cute fluffy animal
According to the room rules, "Cute fluffy animals are cool, okay!?", then everything is fine.
 
But if I posted this it wouldn't be ok.
 
10:48 PM
@Makyen please help me understand what happened here.
 
10:59 PM
I just need you to tell me if I'm wrong again or not.
And why if I'm wrong. I'm already tired of it.
 
11:19 PM
@Marco You pushed in an area very near to where you'd already been told was sensitive for you to push, and your messages were moved in here, which is basically saying "If you want to talk about this, then use this other room".
Instead of moving the conversation into this room, you continued to discuss it in the original room. An RO for the room responded in the way that's the first step above just saying "knock it off" (kicking and moving the additional messages out of the room into a "trash" room), which is basically "We're not discussing that here; I really mean it; if you want to talk about that, then do so over in the room to which I moved the earlier messages", but using the tools available to ROs in chat.
You then raised the stakes by threatening to go to higher authority, and the authority above that one.
Someone else stuck up for your side of the situation, or at least the side of the situation advocating the ROs not be quite so precipitous in their actions.
Instead of just taking the partial win, but definite gain, you posted a "quicky" come-back, which then lost all of that gain and more.
 
Okay, thanks for your opinion. I'll ask you a simple question, can I post a fluffy animal picture in the Python room?
If Andras posted it, so can I, right?
By the way, it's in the room rules.
 
@Marco That's really up to the ROs for the room. The only thing I'm aware of that's directly in response to that is this statement which was "I'd prefer if you didn't, Marco. Thanks for asking." That substantially implies the answer is "no".
 
Well, why does the rule apply to some and not to others?
Are the rules partial?
some = me
 
There was a rather blunt statement made on that subject and you have been offered the opportunity to "discuss in detail some other time if you wish" the reasons and the specific actual requirements, but you've explicitly chosen not to have that discussion. So, the details have not been stated beyond that blunt statement. If you're wanting more information, then that's the conversation you should be having.
Right now, you're asking me to have a side conversation with the ROs and then restate that to you. That's quite inefficient and tends to lead to misunderstandings. I'd suggest having a non-antagonistic conversation with the ROs.
 
11:36 PM
Ah, ok. So you recommend that I talk about this directly with Andras, so I can clarify why specifically I can't post this type of content in the room, then?
"Right now, you're asking me to have a side conversation with the ROs and then restate that to you.": I didn't ask you anything about that, I'm sorry, you must have got something mixed up. I am just talking with you.
 
@Marco From what you and they have said, that seems to be the next step
 
Ok, thanks, Makyen, I'll do it then.
@AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні Please confirm me, am I the only one who can't post fluffy animal pictures in the Python room? Can any other participant in the room post these things? Is that it or am I wrong?
 
@Marco I understand that you might not have understood that's what you were implicitly asking me to do, but it's the net effect of what would be necessary for me to respond directly to the question(s) which you had asked. I don't really consider it an issue that you implicitly asked for such. I was merely explaining what would need to happen from my point of view in order for me to directly respond to the specifics of what you asked. In other words: "no problem". :;
 
Okay, I understood more or less what you said, my english is not very good, but no problem.
 
11:47 PM
You seem to be mistaken on multiple points, @Marco. In particular:
1. Since half of this is about rules lawyering now: the rules don't state _per se_ that posting animal pictures is fine, so in this sense the whole argument is moot.
2. It's a common misconception that Stack Overflow (and by proxy chat) is a democracy with rule of law, but it isn't. Technically I _could_ say ROs may do things that non-ROs may not.
3. I never forbade you to post animal pictures. However, you went out of your way to ask me if you could. I recommended against you doing so. The reason for this was that knowing y
To answer the half-asked question as well: all users are equal to me when they start, but the more trouble a given user causes in the room, the less slack I am willing to give them.
 
Unfortunately I don't have time to answer you right now, but I will answer all of the points when I can.
 
Thank you for your attention for now.
Yeah, talk to you later too.
 

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