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12:00 AM
I didn't disrespect Andras at any point, and he out of the blue treated me badly.
The least anyone deserves is respect.
 
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Ok, thanks for the explanations.
And what are the possible actions due a flag directed at the moderation?
 
12:16 AM
@Marco I'm sorry you feel disrespected. Perhaps the statements of @AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні which you've indicated you have a problem with are not communicating with you with the same nuance which I'm reading in them. Yes, the statement is direct, but I read it as a respectful way to communicate an opinion that is not completely positive. That their opinion of you is a bit negative is not, in and of itself, disrespectful.
They also made it clear that at that time they were short on time, because they were heading off to bed and wouldn't have the time available for an extended conversation. They did offer to have an extended conversation about the situation at some point in the future when both they and you had time available.
I'm, honestly, not seeing what's disrespectful there. To me, it reads as them trying to be quite respectful of you and leave the situation open for further discussion with you, which could change their opinion.
 
He said what he thinks of my background (he considered it negative) and that based on that he thinks I could be dramatic and post something inappropriate in the room. Is that not disrespectful?
Called me dramatic.
You really don't see any problem with that?
 
@Marco There are no specific responses to chat flags, but deleting the message which was flagged is made easier in the user interface for the chat flag notification. The handling moderator can deal with the flag in whatever way they see fit. As I described above, moderators can only dismiss the flag, or not. At the time they dismiss the flag, the moderator can indicate that they thought the flag was noise.
 
@Makyen Ok.
How would you feel if I called you dramatic out of the blue for whatever reason? Would you take that in stride?
And if I comment that I think your history is bad, etc? Do you think public exposure of this is also normal?
I was just chatting about something that is in the room rules (sopython.com/chatroom).
And out of nowhere someone calls me dramatic and says what they think of my history (in this case, commenting that it's bad)?
The fact that he says that he can calmly talk about the subject with me is one thing, other thing is all these things he says to me afterwards, that I consider problematic.
 
@Marco They provided you with their opinion in what appears to be a respectful way. That their opinion is not glowingly positive is not disrespect. You asked if you could do something in the room. @AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні said that they would prefer that you didn't do so. You effectively asked them to explain why they would prefer that you not do that thing. Their preference is based primarily or totally on their opinion of you, which they provided in a way which was respectful.
They did not barge in and lambast you. They even appeared to attempt to avoid telling you the reasons for their preference, because it was based on a negative opinion. They apologized for being blunt and explained that they needed to be so, because they could not continue the discussion because they were going to bed. They then provided you with the basis for their preference.
That appears to be respectful to me to the extent possible under the conditions. Perhaps, if they were not heading off to bed, they would have taken more time to indicate the reasons behind their preference that you not post images of cute fluffy animals in the Python room in a softer manner, but what they did say was not disrespectful nor said in a disrespectful manner.
 
12:32 AM
No time now, I'll answer you later.
 
1:11 AM
@Marco I've realized that I've responded from the point of view of my cultural context. However, it's quite possible that you live and/or grew up in a different cultural context where what was said is actually disrespectful. If so, I would need to know more about what cultural context you're coming from in order to be able to understand that, and, perhaps, additional explanation about the norms in that cultural context. Any way that it happened, I am, again, sorry that you feel disrespected by @AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні's messages. However, I don't believe that they intended the messages were to be disrespectful or understood that they would cause you to feel disrespected.
 
You're commenting on things that aren't even in the flagged message. The message I flagged was as follows: "But based on your history (both short and long term) you're clearly a net generator of drama, so I don't trust your judgment not to make a scene if you post some unrelated and off-topic image to the room (animal or not).".
What do you think about him calling me dramatic and what do you think I could even after he recommended that I not make this type of post do this type of post? Please stick to that phrase in quotes and to my questions, which always come back to these points.
Oh, and he even gave his opinion on what he thinks of me, considering my history (said i got a bad history). And there's nothing special about my cultural context, making fun of it as dramatic and thinking I would do something anyway after his recommendation to say something else?
his recommendation to me to say something else*
making fun of me, calling me dramatic*
@Makyen
 
 
1 hour later…
2:35 AM
and what do you also think about he recommended me*
 
@Marco I'm sorry, but I'm not going to stick strictly to the single message. When something is flagged, moderators tend to look around at the context of what's going on and what's been said by all parties. They tend to do so regardless of if the flagged message was clearly inappropriate or not. It's typical that there's more involved than a single message. Obviously, there are a lot of things which could be said that are just totally inappropriate for which context is immaterial. On the other side, there are things which might read as perfectly fine in isolation, but which the context makes extremely inappropriate.
OTOH, I am willing to concentrate on the single message you're concerned about, just not to make it exclusive.
@Marco @AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні said "you're clearly a net generator of drama", which isn't the same thing as saying that you're dramatic. While the difference could be subtle and might not come through translation, it's not the same thing. It's not making fun of you.
I think that you're asking what you could do, but there's probably a word missing from your paragraph due to a typo, so I'm guessing a bit and could be wrong in responding about what you could have done.
As to what you could do, you could have stopped and respected @AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні's statement that they were on their way to bed, but that they were willing to talk about it in detail later. Under most conditions, that means that the respectful thing for you to have done would have been to not take offense at that time and put the conversation on hold.
Then, once they had been able to get some sleep and you had time available, you could have asked them for a fuller explanation, to explain in more detail their opinion, and/or had a longer conversation which might have changed their opinion.
@Marco Neither making fun of you nor that @AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні thought you'd go ahead and do what they said they would prefer you not to do are shown in the transcript of the conversation. The conversation transcript shows that after you asked if you could post images of cute fluffy animals and @AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні expressed their preference that you not post such images, you pressed for further explanation and argued against that preference. They then explained that they were heading to bed, apologized for being blunt, and provided you with the reason for their preference, which was their current opinion of you based on their perception of both your short and long term history.
 
I'll answer in parts.
@Makyen Ok.
@Makyen Right.
@Makyen Okay, the difference is subtle, but do you think it's okay to say that about someone? Also, you forgot to comment about him talking about my bad record (his opinion). Are you okay with him saying that?
@Makyen I didn't ask anything about what I could do, I don't know what you're talking about or the typo you described that I may have committed.
@Makyen Well, even though I didn't ask you anything about what I could have done, okay, I get your point. It's okay for me to talk to Andras about the problem later (not anymore, because after the way he acted with me I don't want it anymore), I'm just complaining about the way he spoke to me.
@Makyen Ok, right.
@Makyen Well, I think he made fun of me, but if you have a different interpretation, ok, I respect your opinion. Let's get this over with, it's simple, you think that ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WENT WRONG IN RELATION TO WHAT ANDRAS SAID, ok, thanks for your attention and opinion about it. But I don't agree, I've already given my opinion and I have another interpretation of what happened.
 
3:38 AM
bad history*
 
 
3 hours later…
6:52 AM
I much appreciate the effort you put in to explain the situation, @Makyen. I can confirm you got my intention right. I was hoping that Marco would be happy with my initial answer, because I knew I had no time to discuss in detail. When he pressed on I could either ignore him until I could engage in a long discussion, or leave prompt feedback with the promise of discussing later. Since the former option seemed both more disrespectful and more likely to cause issues, I opted for the latter.
 
 
16 hours later…
11:14 PM
@AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні There's no problem with that part of you not having time at that moment to explain it to me in details, the problem is in the things you said to me later, which I won't repeat here, I'm tired of repeating it. But if moderator Makyen didn't see any issues, then ok, topic closed. I still think it happened isn't right, but I'll close the subject.
 
11:34 PM
And to be clear, I respect your opinion @Makyen, I just don't agree. But thanks again anyway for your attention.
 

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