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01:50
@HenryEcker Hmm, interesting. It seems like there isn't any use to adding NATO to requests any longer then?
02:00
Say there's a question and there's a back-and-forth in the comments for clarity that leads to a solution, and all info from the comment thread is moved into the Q & A so all of the comments are NLN. What's the best option? (1) delete my own comments and individually flag each OP's comment as NLN? (2) delete my own comments and custom flag one of the OP's noting all the comments are NLN? (3) don't delete anything, custom flag one comment and say the entire thread is NLN? (4) Do nothing.
Raise a custom flag explaining that all the comments are NLN. I'd suggest raising a custom flag on the question (or answer) rather than on a comment, to be safe. It doesn't matter if you delete your own, or not, since I think it's the same amount of work for a mod to delete all the comments.
Can a JavaScript/jQuery SME take a look at this question? It was reopened by Shog in 2014, but it still has the auto inserted text for the old duplicate closure system... I think initially it was pure JS vs a jQuery solution, but in their current states they seem very similar indeed.
@cigien I think that it stopped being as much of an issue when the number of votes went from 5 to 3 for closure. But I concur, though personally I do find it helpful to draw attention to the reason why the post has become eligible for a cv-pls.
 
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05:00
@sideshowbarker OP has since added table data..Does this still need MRE?
Is this on-topic?
@SurajRao I think the update resolves the problem, so I retracted my close vote
Can a room owner please bin the chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/54796813#54796813 request?
@sideshowbarker → 1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
@bad_coder From a developer point of view I can understand that. It's not meant for software writing, it's meant for scientists who want an easy way to get the computer to solve their maths. And for that, it's the best in the business. No other language I've seen has error messages or documentation that good. The downside of course being it costing several thousand quid a year for a license, something only uni will pay for you
05:21
@Adriaan So, you confirmed my suspicion. Matlab is probably more of a tool during your studies for many. And next year you may not want to work with it because you graduate, so you don't need it any more.
@VLAZ well, you can certainly still use it, especially if you're doing numerical modelling. The problem is, that many employers won't want to spend several thousand quid a year on your programming license, especially if they can also hire someone who knows Python
When I was in the student council at my uni, the board was debating letting MATLAB go for the students (keeping it available to the staff of course), due to the costs it incurred for them, as well as the students knowing a much more valuable language, namely a free one (Python in this case)
Well, you could use it, I agree. But I suspect not many would be. And it's not a matter of "dreading" the language, it's just not something the foresee in their future.
To be clear, my interpretation is based on the hypothesis that the "dreaded" outcome is entirely fabricated and not necessarily how people feel about a technology when they say they don't tick the next year box for it
That could very well be indeed. I had to teach myself Python the moment I went out of academia
05:44
@Adriaan funny, I've consistently had access to a license without knowing that it was expensive...
but that does explain it, Matlab seems pretty good if you want to solve math. I've always been satisfied with it.
stackoverflow.com/a/72724959/4826457 is this incomplete answer or a grammar problem?
@bad_coder Uni pays a campus license usually, so student's don't have to pay. As a student though, you can get a 50 quid/year license. It's 2700/year for industry IIRC, or you buy the 8 year old version on a permanent license
@Adriaan murky, whenever I need a license for anything I mail IT and they just get it for me...
@SurajRao Can I say both? It's both. They meant "to restrict the confidential data" but they failed to include how they used it.
so its a comment?
05:53
@Adriaan thanks for the explanation, I was wondering about it.
@SurajRao ehhhh. I didn't convert it because I'm not sure it has much value as a comment either. I'd honestly use your term of "incomplete answer." I see them from time to time, where someone will say "I fixed this with X" and not at all say how in a way that would be at all useful.
SMEs can, as always, feel free to tell me I'm wrong.
@miken32 if you think something was missed, just raise another flag and be specific. I would not consider that "push back" or unwelcome.
@JeanneDark That would be reasonable. I've recently been quite short on things on MSO to upvote.
06:48
@CodyGray Sorry, I keep posting on MSE.
That's an excellent way to escape my observation.
@CodyGray Maybe I'll do that, when I find the time for it.
My latest contribution didn't seem to be too interesting for people.
@JeanneDark Maybe not interesting, but at least it got fixed? (I assume you mean this one.)
That was just a cross-site dupe. No, I didn't mean that one
But that was your last contribution!
06:54
Now you see that no one noticed it ;)
Evidently because it's invisible and can only be seen by you
@IanCampbell Geopolitics are tricky. It's important to keep a watchful eye on the posts by NATO.
@CodyGray something something NATO expansion something something
 
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@SurajRao some way obscuring ownership of the website (which the deleted answer had; same username as URL), or getting around a ban?
This account seems to be newer user but I cant find affiliation
Either way its copy pasted from linked blog
Mod flagged
08:44
So close to doing these myself...
08:59
Is this question about WordPress ok? I feel like it needs details and/or an MCVE, but an SME could have a different opinion
09:16
Terrible tag du jour:
@RyanM aaand it's gone.
10:51
@Adriaan arguably, it's a corrected version of stackoverflow.com/a/49470348, which seems...entirely wrong?
@RyanM I don't speak C#, so could be. However, doesn't the topvoted answer do almost the same? Albeit in two lines without concatenation .. ok, fair. You convinced me. Still needs explanation though
Frankly not sure why the concatenation is needed anyway...
Console.WriteLine("Flight Computer\n\nEnter an Airport Code");Rufus L Dec 14, 2017 at 1:42
that's what I'd recommend.
(I also don't speak C#)
I think that very system must have been controlling my flights last week.
11:36
Does this deserve a spam flag?
@AdrianMole yes, it's a job offer basically (although unclear whether paid or pro bono)
@Adriaan Seems to have been spam-deleted by a mod who was clearly not qualified for that job. :)
Can confirm, am not a web frontend developer.
@Adriaan I can't make sense of it. Can you?
@RyanM no, but then again, I never could make heads or tails of html
Okay, well until someone comes up with a plausible explanation, I'm closing it.
I am fascinated that people are trying to answer that, because it makes no sense.
11:55
Did you know you can earn reputation points from answering questions, even the ones that don't make sense?
12:47
stackoverflow.com/a/72730393/4826457 is this NAA? comment on another answer?
This (old answer with no any new activity) looks Link Only to me. I was tempted to flag it as such. But there are 8 total links and seems helpful. Can this be marked as duplicate instead or say merged in other question? Any other better option?
is there a dupe target ?
oh wow. Uh, yeah, give me a sec.
@AmitJoshi Done.
@AmitJoshi almost 600 rep for pointing out it's a super dupe. If only us caretakers got a tenth of that for every dupe we find...
does that get recalculated?
13:01
They get to keep that
@Adriaan shoulda snuck an answer in during the 12 seconds I had the question open.
@SurajRao See Reputation and Historical Archives - particularly the bit starting at "First, if you’ve contributed something worthwhile to the site"
ah right.. thanks
13:14
@CertainPerformance That is the smallest change I've ever seen clarify a question.
(for context: index 90 is somewhere in the middle of the word "heading")
It's small, but it takes it from making no sense to making good sense
This is still unclear
13:25
@TylerH It's supposed to find which DOM element is at a given character index in the page's HTML source.
I mean, I can sort of guess parts of it, including that part
but there are still other parts that are completely unclear
13:46
@RyanM Other than a academic curiosity, I don't see when that would be useful in a practical way.
14:21
@EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine Any particular reason you think we should undelete this one? Usually if someone self-deletes their post, we don't want to override that. Do you have an answer waiting in the wings?
14:33
someone found my profile and decided to upvote stuff
oh I thought your avatar looked familiar
@TylerH No - it just seems strange that they would edit it into shape and then immediately delete it without giving people a chance to vote on reopening it. I suspect that the OP just doesn't understand how the reopening system works.
@KevinB Yeah, I got serial-upvoted on one of my other sites. I was kinda upset to lose the fake Internet points overnight.
@EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine Tossed an explanatory comment on it.
@RyanM Thanks. Seems like at a minimum the OP should have a chance to reconsider now that they know. My request can probably be binned now that they've been informed.
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17:45
@jmoerdyk IMHO Spam
@jps ah yeah, probably.
@jps yeah, I didn't see the byline on the blog the first time
there's also a couple link-only answers pointing to the same blog
@KevinB that ^
17:47
no, why is that being spammed in the first place
a shitty blog article from 2018 on blogspot,
oh, heck if I know.
i guess, for the same reason so for teams is still advertised
why did someone pay to spam a bunch of random plumbers in the Houston metro area? are they all actually the same plumber? why the charade? are they affiliated with the garage-door people?
@KevinB it seems to be self-promotion... the username was the same as the blog author's byline
18:06
how can I send a question to smoke detector?
@tacoshy !!/report post_url_here - though you need SD privileges in whichever channel you're doing it in
I see thank you
(you can also mention it here or in chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/11540/charcoal-hq and someone will generally do it for you)
for what reason should this question be closed best? or should it just be mod-flagged (spam e.g.)
Or Ryan just handles it :P
@tacoshy ...dunno, I'm just using a generic reason and deleting it.
@tacoshy Welcome to SOCVR, where the mods sometimes beat you to the punch
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My hobby is sniping SD reports before MS can apply the autoflags.
{Feature Request} Limit the number of mods that can be "in" SOCVR simultaneously. Give us our "fun" back. :-)
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Joke's on you, I can snipe them faster from Charcoal HQ!
(they are posted there first, though...)
Can a c++ archmage have a look at this, it's from 10k tools with one undelete vote, and closed/deleted by the same three users. The Q has been edited, does it warrant deletion / does it warrant undeletion?
18:59
FIRE is the most efficient way to get spam flags in in my experience.
@IanCampbell Doesn't work for mods, though, so there's a potential speed advantage if you're trying to snipe a mod...
I'm not particularly for one or the other outcome, I'm unable to assess the technical merits. But since it was closed/deleted by the same people, I believe it could benefit from some more eyes
SO create a new room: SOMFCVR (SO Mod Free...) :P :D
@blackgreen With the disclaimer that I don't really know C++ or understand the subtleties here...that answer doesn't sound like a typo...
@IanCampbell Can't flag from FIRE, though.
We can at least still give feedback through it.
FIRE flags go through metasmoke, which won't cast flags for moderators on the sites they moderate.
19:03
@IanCampbell Try flagging from FIRE the next time MS.SE gets spam (sometime next year probably)
Unless you're Makyen, who has a fork that does local flagging for at least NAA flags. I'm uncertain if it does Spam and R/A flags locally too.
@RyanM yeah IDK the particular sub-culture around [c++], if experts think the question hinged on a particularly weird typo-like mistake (using free on new'ed data)
the answer seems useful though
@Machavity I'm sure we can migrate them some of the keto stuff. That's basically on-topic there, right?
@Machavity Haha, I'll try, for science. We get spam a few times a month.
@blackgreen I think, if the first code snippet were edited to change the free(Collector) to delete Collector then the "typo" reason wouldn't be appropriate. That closure/deletion looks a tad hasty, IMHO.
19:05
Actually, SD mentions from Charcoal are often waiting for me as phone notifications when I wake up in the morning.
Fun to nuke spammers before breakfast I guess?
@blackgreen ... also, there would appear to be a correlation between the three downvotes and the other "voting triplet".
Worth a Meta post, maybe? (Not the source of the downvotes, but the closure/deletion.)
@AdrianMole this is the primary reason I posted here
@RyanM I'm not sure it'd be that helpful. You need to go destroy most of them anyway.
(not the downvotes specifically, but the appearance that the Q&A wasn't vetted by enough people)
I don't know if it needs a meta post. If it needs to be undeleted, we can undelete it from here
@IanCampbell "need" is a strong word...gotta make sure the "Blacklisted user" SD detection gets some love.
I am, admittedly, less than 100 percent diligent about destroying the users, largely because it's kind of annoying.
With userscripts it's easier, but they don't have quite all the options I'd ideally want.
19:10
Hmm, that's a fair point. But it's really annoying on small sites when the user has a spammy name and appears in the "Last modified by" spot in the questions list.
@blackgreen Anyway, undeleted now, and could be reopened. Deletion was definitely wrong, IMO, because that also removed a very good answer.
<nods in agreement>
Instance #628 in which it'd be nice if mods could check close and/or delete vote history to look for patterns...
Ryan's log, fishy smelling issue 627: This smells fishy, if only I had more tools at my disposal to identify the source of the smell. Maybe next time...
19:21
@RyanM Sounds legit
mods in agreement? Sounds unlikely ... or did I misread something?
Well, out of 26 of them, surely some agree on a binary outcome?
You underestimate how nitpicky we are.
20:01
@RyanM Yes, it does all the flags, including custom "in need of moderator intervention" flags (which is actually quite helpful for raising a custom mod flag after the post is deleted on a site where you can't see deleted posts). It can also retract most flags. Ironically, it can't retract "in need of moderator intervention" flags, because those can't be retracted through the SE API, which I consider a bug (and have reported it).
Well, OK, it could do all the flags. There's nothing currently in the UI which allows VLQ or close flags to be raised.
20:13
Does a comment on an answer count for recent activity for a cv-pls?
no
So just cv with my own vote and hope it gets closed in the review queue?
imagine it taking 9 years to cast your first downvote
9 years to get 125 rep?
don't think rep was the barrier
20:20
I mean first downvote on an answer at least?
well, they have 2 total
:p
@jmoerdyk yep.
132 upvotes though
could be worse
i've ast 4k+
I have 4k up and 3k down.
20:22
Uuuuhhhh they lost reputation on main for the meta question. I guess that's from the migration.
Ah it's not deleted yet on main and attracted two downvotes before the migration. Interesting...
20:36
I think it'd be fun to see a graph of downvotes per month over time. I've become progressively more bitter of the years (all 2 of them). =P
22:08
@RyanM It is still very unclear to me, but probably because I lack enough knowledge about the subject matter to figure it out...
Is it like a Fortran-90 situation, where you need to specify the language revision?
@MarcoBonelli What debugging details does that need? It's not obvious.
22:22
@blackgreen It got closed because it's an insanely stupid idea that no one would/should ever want to do. Obviously, though, that's not a valid close reason on Stack Overflow, so it should not stay closed or deleted. Someone could probably find a duplicate...
... a generic duplicate canonical for any insanely stupid idea?
No, for this specific one.
Ah, OK. That may be a bit trickier to find.
I stopped after 5
22:49
@CodyGray kernel version, relevant config, and more info on OP's system. I was unsure whether to VTC as cannot repro or needs debugging details.
Ah, I somehow missed that you left a comment there. Sorry...
@MarcoBonelli Look, I found a duplicate: askubuntu.com/questions/1111529/… Too bad it's on the wrong site... :-)
2 messages moved to SOCVR /dev/null (to stop the archiver from trying to move them to the Graveyard)
23:08
With all the limits on voting and review queues, I'm surprised there is no limit on the number of edits you can make per day.
@CodyGray there are N questions like that on SO too, the problem is I ca't say whether it's a dupe or not without more info, the kernel is weird. What made me avoid voting as dupe in this case is that there are surely a lot more prints after OP's printk meaning that the message should in theory show on the next print... so yeah, MEH
@StephenOstermiller There's no limit to the amount of things you can make better!
There's no limit to the number of answers you're allowed to post, either. Voting is special, because of how easily it can be abused and of the privileges that it confers onto others.
At some point you get so tired you edit out the important bits.
@CertainPerformance You are not convinced by the title?
@CertainPerformance indeed! they're lucky it didn't get deleted by flags and they lost 100 rep...
Indeed. Very lucky they got that deleted before it got caught by SD and/or mods.
Wait, don't they have their own private sandbox to play in?
Tsk tsk, you're judging. You were told not to do so.
23:37
@CertainPerformance are they literally testing spam detection on production? LOL
@CodyGray I see that as a suggestion, not as an enforceable order
Indeed. I, for one, have no plans to start enforcing a "no judgment" edict.
23:58
Cody, as you know, you have to accept guidance given by members of the Stack Exchange, Inc. Community Team. We're going to hold you to it.
Hovercraft is in the clear though.

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