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12:04 AM
@Stargateur I mean "Is there anybody that have see a project use >= in dep version?"
 
12:21 AM
@Stargateur I think I've seen (or thought of doing myself) something like >= 0.7, < 0.9 to indicate that both 0.7.x and 0.8.x are compatible (when they are indeed compatible). This would only make sense for an intermediary library (not for a binary) that wants to use the most recent version if possible but also allows an earlier version if some other library declares that it's only compatible with 0.7.x, which would avoid bringing both 0.7.x and 0.8.x in the final binary.
 
@FrancisGagné yes I think having bounds can be use in practice, if two major version are compatible for personal use of them but using just > with upper limit seem not usable at all (and that fine) cause theoretically it's match ANY new version even pre-release
 
yeah, >= or > alone is very dangerous
 
I trying to patch Semver to test out thing and these change change a lot of test result for example:
let ref r = req(">= 1.0.0");
assert_to_string(r, ">=1.0.0");
assert_match_all(r, &["1.0.0", "2.0.0"]);
assert_match_none(r, &["0.1.0", "0.0.1", "1.0.0-pre", "2.0.0-pre"]);
into
let ref r = req(">= 1.0.0");
assert_to_string(r, ">=1.0.0");
assert_match_all(r, &["1.0.0", "2.0.0", "2.0.0-pre"]);
assert_match_none(r, &["0.1.0", "0.0.1", "1.0.0-pre"]);
on this case 2.0.0-pre was being exclude of >= 1.0.0 despite semver explicite rule.
it's so strange to see this behaviour is actually in production today
 
12:57 AM
damm, I need a bigger RFC LUL
maybe do a second one much bigger about problem with semver implementation
server crates CLEARLY doesn't follow precedence rule of Semver 2.0
and use a bad compatibly rule for pre-release (what my RFC is currently about)
> Currently, the semver spec does not speak about this at all, so strictly, the answer is unknown. github.com/semver/semver/issues/631#issuecomment-718010331
just wtf ?
> Example: 1.0.0-alpha < 1.0.0-alpha.1 < 1.0.0-alpha.beta < 1.0.0-beta < 1.0.0-beta.2 < 1.0.0-beta.11 < 1.0.0-rc.1 < 1.0.0. semver.org/#spec-item-11
 
 
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5:20 AM
so 1.0.0-alpha < 1.0.0-beta < 1.0.0 is true but not 1.0.0-alpha < 1.0.0-beta < 1.0 !?!?!?!?!?!?!?
 
 
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8:52 AM
According to the linked spec (which is not even merged upstream :| ), < 1.0 is equivalent to < 1.0.0-0. welp
 
Yes, that was my impression too. I have put already > 30 hours into this. I think I grap most of the problem and see why they try to add such complex rules. Thus I totally disagree with solution they choice I think there is a lot of good information. I decide that I will make a much bigger RFC, that will clearly define what are the rules Cargo will use. I already begun to sum up all points and solution. That I think will require a lot of work for me but it's for the better of every Rust project
 
 
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yes. The mystery isn't really clarified but I doubt we go further
 
(is it stupid this year ? First to take it report to others ?)
 
3:32 PM
GitHub just did 500 on me. Anyone else?
 
@E_net4 no problem right now
 
Yeah, the issue is gone now.
 
traditional github hiccup
 
4:06 PM
happens
i'm angry
 
so the usual
 
true
why it's ALWAYS dtolnay
 
5:05 PM
When it comes to semver, we can't hide from dtolnay. In fact, the semver specification could be called the dtolnay specification by now.
 
yes and it's angry me
 
dtolnay.0.0
 
he clearly come from javacript world or just very much like npm
and just do what npm do cause you know that what we always did
I will make this RFC no matter what
if it's refused fine
I will have try
but I don't know it to be refused cause dtolnay say it
I want the community to choice
I will take my time to make the PR when the RFC is fully fully fully complete
 
Unsure about the real question here...
 
you don't understand ?
or you are not sure about yourself ? LUL
 
5:11 PM
Do they mean "right now" or not. I mean, I have quite an history at SO even if I don't currently answer
 
SO survey are always "recently" aka ~ 1 year
 
"decentralization" ??? Is that now a bitcoin trademark ?
 
agree this seem way too mixed
also blockchain is very cool
crypto-curency is not
crytography is cool
 
blockchain isn't cool anymore. It was a fun technology, I mean the concept is interesting, but there's no real use
Ok, I finished the survey. Found it less difficult than previous years. Not too many weird questions.
 
@DenysSéguret there is always hope - Aragorn
 

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