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12:00 AM
They'll all be suspended, permanently. But that's OK, because Dharman will have deleted all the posts.
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@Scratte Hopefully the ones who vote to delete otherwise-fine code-only answers in LQA will be awarded their free 2-day review vacation more quickly.
 
@Scratte They'll be reviewed. :-)
@RyanM Oohh.... I like to decline NAA and VLQ flags on those answers.
 
@RyanM ElectionBot is going to need a change once you're elected ;)
 
reticulating splines
 
ElectionBot is too busy ^
 
12:02 AM
You talking to me?
 
no, go away
 
Who is the best moderator?
 
@Scratte Why do you have to change it?
Did it mess itself again?
 
@Scratte it went away :)
 
Not sure if it was changed recently, but the text (now) in LQA for the "delete" option is quite clear, IMHO: This post cannot be fixed and should be deleted.. Code-only answers can be fixed.
 
12:04 AM
@CodyGray Why indeed :)
 
@Scratte Won't Sam still be the best mod?
 
Also, well-commented code is acceptable, IMHO.
 
who is the best mod?
 
@AdrianMole Well-commented code is acceptable: there's an opinion I don't think is controversial!
 
@ElectionBot alive?
 
12:05 AM
I'm alive on electionbot.samliew.com, started on 2021-10-15 11:20:46Z with an uptime of 45869 seconds.
 
@ElectionBot say Ryan M is the best mod!
 
I meant if it's only well-commented code.
 
hmm
 
Uh-oh.
I think it got stuck reticulating splines.
 
@AdrianMole :O I think that's an oversight.. so now it's telling people to delete code only answers? cc @Catija
 
12:05 AM
I think we need a restart
 
@Scratte Why do you conclude that it is saying to delete code-only answers?
 
@Scratte No, it's not telling them anything of the sort. A code-only answer should (most likely) be reviewed by adding a comment.
 
!!!!!
No!
Reviewing is not about leaving comments!
 
Then what? Looks OK?
 
You can: edit, vote, flag, and/or delete.
 
12:07 AM
@CodyGray It is now!.. It's a huge part of reviewing now. People can leave comments as Community now.
 
In First Answers, we can leave a bot-generated comment (on code-only answers). I prefer (sometimes) the canned "code-only" comment from the script.
 
There's an option to "Leave Feedback" which posts a comment..
 
@Scratte Yes, I've seen them. And such comments left by Community do not have the mass-delete button that I would expect them to have....
 
@AdrianMole I'd pick "Looks OK" unless they need an edit. I'd check to see if it was an audit first though :)
 
@CodyGray But, if a new user posts (good) code in an answer, but without explanation, what's wrong with a comment encouraging them to add some explanation?
 
12:10 AM
Let me count the ways
Ain't nobody ever gonna read it, ain't nobody ever gonna do it, ain't never gonna help no future readers/researchers, ain't never gonna get deleted so is gonna live forevah
 
Of course, you are allowed to disagree with me on this point. But, as I understand it, that's one of the ways reviews can be helpful.
 
I agree with @AdrianMole here. Leaving a comment for a new user is a good idea. Because people don't read the manual. Even if that upsets the punpkin, that is how people do things. They also don't read the manual on their phones or microwaves.
 
Oh: and often it leads to protracted discussion and/or debate in the comments.
You know the type: "i have put compleat answer to question here"
"why u downvote me??!"
"ok, whatever, this just proves why SO is so toxic"
 
Sure, that can happen. But, in my experience, many of my 'suggestive' comments have been met with positive responses.
 
@Scratte I don't think my microwave has a manual-reading function built into it.
 
12:12 AM
@CodyGray I have almost never gotten that feedback. I thing people are just not very kind when they leave their comments.
 
@AdrianMole I've never seen one.
I've reviewed hundreds and hundreds of comments left manually by reviewers along the lines, "please add some description to your code"
 
@CodyGray OK, maybe not the best ever answer on Stack, but look here.
 
I've reviewed these in the course of deleting them. I cannot think of a single case where I've ever seen it result in something good.
 
@CodyGray That's because you get called in when it goes wrong.. nobody raises a custom flag saying "Dear moderator. This post is fine. We had a constructive discussion and we've each deleted all our comment. Have a nice day :)"
 
@AdrianMole That's a great example: it proves that, even when editing for other reasons, people still ignore your advice to add explanatory text. :-)
@Scratte Nope. This is my own thing, going through and deleting worthless comments left en masse when reviewing.
 
12:14 AM
Remind me never to play Russian Roulette with you.
 
@CodyGray I often will ask the poster to delete the comments after the conversation. Most of them comply.
 
... but that was just one I still had in my memory. There have been many other cases that have resulted in significant improvements.
 
I have also seen answerers improve answers after receiving polite comments. It's not even rare, in my experience.
Questions are another story: it's rare to see them fixed. Not unheard of, but rare.
 
@AdrianMole I have too. And you're always very polite with people. I very strongly suspect that makes the world of difference.
 
The exceedingly vast majority of such comments that I'm thinking of are very polite.
They're just also very ineffective.
@AdrianMole We covered this already. I'm not too big on games of chance. I like strategy games.
 
12:17 AM
or at the very least, an attempt is made to fix the answer. It often entails a link-only answer getting more text around the link. Not always enough, though.
 
@RyanM I recently experienced a Question author apologizing for not writing a good post and then fixing it :O
 
@RyanM Exactly. I thought that was part of the role of the reviewer.
 
I recently experienced a question author whining about his low-quality question being closed and then thanking me for rewriting it
@AdrianMole The role of the reviewer being to add the descriptive text around the link? Yes, please.
 
@CodyGray :) But you also go above and beyond. That's why everyone loves you ;)
 
@CodyGray At that point, I'd just write my own answer...
 
12:19 AM
Except that guy on Meta who didn't. And that other one.
@RyanM Grr. Because you need the rep, I guess?
When you come across a Wikipedia article you don't think is very complete, do you just write a new one?
 
If they just pasted a link, and I did all the actual work of writing the answer, I would in fact like the credit :-)
 
Meh. I guess there will always be an element of subjectivity in the review process. Maybe that's the point? So long as reviews aren't heinously wrong, maybe we should learn to live with the fact that others do things differently from ourselves?
 
That's not to say I haven't rewritten people's posts for them, but I usually do that for questions.
I rewrote someone's question entirely just today and submitted it for reopening.
 
I think rewriting answers is a more productive and beneficial use of time, personally.
 
The trouble is with those queues where a single review completes the process. There's no consensus element to catch the worst offenders.
 
12:22 AM
I generally do it for questions that already have a good answer, or for which I want to write one.
 
@CodyGray "I understand your motivation for this, but I don't think it's such a good idea to publicly encourage people to nominate themselves." Kind of makes it appear that I started a nomination requests post, that later got edited to what it is now. ^^" I guess it doesn't really matter though.
 
@RyanM Ah, well, that's fine, then.
 
Or for ones that make me go "Huh, that's a good question. I'd like to know the answer myself."
 
@AnnZen You kinda did? I mean, you thought about starting one. So Dharman is saying that he understands your motivations for considering starting one, but he doesn't think it's a good idea.
That's how I read it, at least.
 
@CodyGray No, the body of my post was "Has Stack Overflow Meta ever had one of such posts? If so, please give me the link, as I failed to find one. If not, why?"
 
12:26 AM
@AnnZen Would deleting the stuff up to and including the first "but" make it better?
 
Yeah
That's what I'm doing
 
No-one will ever notice.
 
Super enthusiastic, by the way, about how every comment but mine has upvotes.
:-p
 
@CodyGray You should've made it an edit, instead! ;-P
 
Maybe you should have posted it after the post was created. Time travelers clearly aren't welcome in these parts.
 
12:28 AM
@RyanM We like Dharman!
 
@CodyGray Thanks ^^
@AdrianMole haha
 
New theory: they clicked through to your profile and were scared off by the spooky pumpkin.
 
@AnnZen It was actually meant as a positive acknowledgement, which is how I took it, but... I also see how you were interpreting it, and I don't think it needs to be there, so, yeah. Gone now. You're welcome.
@RyanM More likely, they were annoyed by the ugly blue "Mod" badge there.
Heck, I'm annoyed by that!
 
Interrupting to bring you this important message: The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 4 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
12:51 AM
Oh. So now, who do we vote for?
 
@Someone_who_likes_SE vote for whomever. I do not give a damn, my dear
 
1:18 AM
As long as you make a thoughtful choice about whomever you vote for.
 
It's kind of which Answer to accept, except in this case you can't "run" then until after.. :)
 
1:30 AM
@CodyGray Glad I'm not the only one who prefers a diamond over a blue "Mod"
 
Could be worse - they could've given Cody a "Bot" badge.
 
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
 
Oh no...
But as always, there's a script to change it back!
 
Spotted another trigger word!
 
@AdrianMole This bot needs no badges
 
1:33 AM
Well, nobody's perfect.
 
Shush.
 
1:47 AM
@VLAZ I'm really confused by your head counting, given that Zoe and Shree clearly have one head apiece...
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Well, only a very small percentage of users use the mod UI ;-)
Fewer than the non-sticky top bar, even!
 
I think someone should tell the UI team about it, definitely not worth keeping
 
@RyanM Are they going to remove the mod UI because "too few people use it"? Then it would be a total mess.
 
that did not stop them from removing the non-sticky option
how to nominate?
 
You can only nominate yourself as a candidate during the nomination phase. You'll need at least 3000 reputation, have these badges (Civic Duty, Convention, Deputy, Strunk & White), and cannot have been suspended anywhere on the Stack Exchange network within the past year. You cannot nominate another user.
 
2:02 AM
@AnnZen, @Scratte, fixed, thank you :)
 
I can apply the word again? :)
I think I'd like to apply sleep.. Goodnight future Botinator :)
 
I'm only as good as the one who made me.
 
Did I break you again?
 
no, it knows that someday it will be a boterator :)
 
But.. I spelled it Botinator :)
 
2:08 AM
it knows what you meant :)
 
2:54 AM
We have a new nomination! Please welcome our latest candidate [](stackoverflow.com/election/13?tab=nomination#post-69533010)!
 
@ElectionBot Fake news
 
I know your thoughts.
 
Okay, but you clearly don't know whether there are any new nominations...
Who are the candidates?
@ElectionBot alive?
 
who are the candidates
 
3:21 AM
the bwah?
what just happened?
 
SO was offline for a bit. It's back, but ElectionBot isn't apparently.
 
apparently
going to go give it a kick
 
@ElectionBot skrrrrrrt
 
What we've got here is failure to communicate.
 
oh, the "planned" maintenance, forgot about it
@ElectionBot alive?
 
3:25 AM
I'm alive on electionbot.samliew.com, started on 2021-10-16 03:23:41Z with an uptime of 84 seconds.
A quick message from my sponsors: The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 4 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
ok, seems like we are back in business
 
@OlegValter I'm fascinated by the fake candidate it announced :-p
Who is apparently actually Zoe. But also nameless.
 
3:40 AM
Zoe the Nameless :)
it, apparently, succeeded in reaching the page and scraping it, but the results seem to have crashed it, and the downtime killed the reboot attempt
 
It seems to have handled the first one well enough to post a message about a new nomination (albeit one that did not exist) and respond to my first follow-up. But not the request for the candidates.
 
yeah, it seems that it had been dead by the time you asked about the candidates
 
4:12 AM
@OlegValter The planned maintenance period was several hours ago, and was for just SEDE, so shouldn't have affected the main sites.
 
@RyanM How about a scornful choice about whomever I do not vote for?
 
You cannot vote yet. In the meantime you can read and comment on the candidates' nominations as well as their answers to the questionnaire to find out more about their moderation style. Don't forget to come back in 2 days to also vote in the election's final voting phase!
 
@Makyen yes, I noticed that after rereading the announcement (see the dev room) - seems like there was an unrelated hiccup
 
I would tell the bot to shush, but... as I have mod privileges, it would actually listen. ;-)
 
@OlegValter Well, at least is wasn't a cough or a sneeze.
 
4:13 AM
I guess so :)
 
@CodyGray I mean, I guess you could. But I'd recommend putting thought into that, too.
 
Yes. Sigh. My scorn usually comes with even more thought. So much for saving effort.
 
Although we've got a pretty good set of candidates. I don't know if any of them are scorn-worthy. Fortunately, you can in fact vote for all of them, if you like.
 
Hmm, election nomination comments don't one-box?
 
Nope, posting it as stackoverflow.com/posts/comments/122999381 doesn't work either...but it does cause an error when you open the page!
 
4:20 AM
And trying to post the actual text doesn't work, either, because it's too long.
 
@CodyGray is it? I can copy it as long as it is more-or-less the only thing on the line (there's room for a > for quote formatting, for instance).
 
Anyway... The comment by chivracq under Zoe's nomination about her informal language is... odd. I mean, I take the point that is being made. Everywhere but chat (and even there most of the time), I tend to be fairly formal in my wording myself. But wow. This comment is phrased in a nearly incoherent way, and certainly not with any sort of grammatical formality!
 
I really enjoy the term "fake 'Chicago Street Gangsta Kiddos' Language," personally.
 
It's definitely fake; she ain't from Chicago.
 
but yeah, I don't think I've ever used gonna/wanna in a post... but the manner of the objection is ...well, I'd probably have used fewer Random capital Letters and less creative punctuation if I were critiquing someone's English.
 
4:27 AM
Yes, it seems odd => with the Unconventional Presentation // But to each his own?
 
4:40 AM
@CodyGray Yes, that's weird.
 
we're gonna wanna stop speaking like this, soon I'll be wearing chains
 
2 a dem?
 
yes, but no relation to the rapper with the same name
(2chainz)
 
More of a linked-list type of chain user?
 
@cs95 I thought that was the whole joke!
It was a metaphor for slavery, then, rather than urban youth?
 
4:53 AM
uh oh, I've gone and started something now
 
I don't see your nomination...
Oh wait, that's not what you meant ;-p
 
A quick message from my sponsors: The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 4 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
Who's ElectionBot's sponsors?
 
May the Force be with you.
 
5:19 AM
I don't have as much emotional investment in the site as I did when I first ran .... who knows, maybe next year :p
 
Me either ;-)
I'm finally getting over some of the emotional pain that my high emotional investment led to.
 
yeah I think pretty much everyone active around late 2019-2020 suffered varying degrees of burns, or burnout in some form. nuclear fallout doesn't clear up in a day
 
Especially not when the reactor is still leaking.
 
It's good that they're doing things to keep old questions relevant. I would also like to see a little more effort into improving tools to curate the newer content, both manual and automatic
I don't expect to see that anytime soon since that revenue model just doesn't work for a greedy money making corporation
 
@cs95 You mean, other than electing new mods? That would count as "manual", right? :-)
 
5:26 AM
no ... that would count as menial ... as in menial labor :-(
you guys deserve better
poor tools don't produce great results
 
I have humbler desires... I just wish they'd stop breaking the site's design.
 
(sorry, just to clarify I'm not calling any people here tools)
 
Content curation is hard. Finding good solutions is very hard. Why make the difficult stuff harder for no reason?
 
@CodyGray let's start even more humble - stopped breaking the site
 
Kinda the same thing
 
5:29 AM
let's start even more humble - stop it. get some help
I will say, I like that they brought HMP back, and unpinned accepted answers
I see so many more answers of mine getting more love these days
feelsgoodman
 
You've actually noticed a difference? That's cool.
 
I looked through the upvote summaries of some answers which had populist-ified the accepted answer and I could see an uptick - especially with busier questions
outpopulisted?
anyway, the badge
 
Trumped! ;-)
 
Careful, that word should come with a trigger warning :D
 
5:55 AM
when is the election starting
 
The next phase is the election at 2021-10-18 20:00:00Z (in 2 days).
 
@CodyGray pardon me if this is inappropriate, but do you speak with a southern drawl? This comment by Adrian Mole seems to suggest you are tantamount to a non-native english speaker (presumably because your accent is hard to follow)
 
A quick message from my sponsors: The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 4 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@cs95 I do not. Not even a little bit. If you met me or listened to me speak without knowing where I was from, you'd have no way of knowing. (I mean, you'd surely know "from the US", but you'd have no idea as to geographic region.) This isn't just conjecture; I've tested it widely, with people from many parts of the US.
Adrian's never heard me speak. He's just making the stereotypical joke about Texans. In other news: I do not have an oil well in my backyard!
 
@Shree I noticed that of the two candidate badges you're missing, one of them is Investor, which is simply awarded for putting a bounty on someone else's question. If you wouldn't mind explaining why you haven't so far done so?
 
6:05 AM
I believe you, appreciate the candor :)
 
No problem. I don't mind the question.
 
6:51 AM
Why be a moderator? - able to clean up 130k "thanks" comments sitewide in a day without having to flag them with a script i.stack.imgur.com/6qtw0.png
Come join us :)
 
7:03 AM
I had a working script to do that until they changed the API to make it impossible to flag NLNs
 
@RyanM at least one each. Zoe also keeps the heads of her defeated enemies.
 
Today in election-related "wut":
Something else I noticed that might be work looking into: if you visit the election page from the link in the bulletin (i.e., /election?cb=1), comment timestamps are not clickable for some reason. But if you visit /election or /election/id, they're clickable. — 41686d6564 51 secs ago
 
wut
 
@RyanM Wait, really? I remember Jeanne having trouble copying links to comments at one point - this might have been it.
 
Yeah, I tried it and it repros. Utterly bizarre.
 
7:18 AM
Silly Jeanne, clicking on the links in the bulletin instead of typing in the URLs for the pages she wants manually.
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It's probably a trick to pass the Turing test.
 
You mean you're not getting to it by clicking the notification for nomination comments? The comments work just fine that way.
 
I am not. I decided not to run for moderator.
 
I just have monkeys supplied with keyboards. They are generating all possible strings. When I need a URL, I just search for it there.
 
Although, I suppose I could always get to it from the flag dashboard...
 
Zoe
@VLAZ I can neither confirm nor deny
 
7:32 AM
*Zoe might or might not keep the heads of her defeated enemies.
 
She's not sure how to answer, because she just keeps the scalps.
 
Zoe
@CodyGray oh no, but you have to run! I'm sure you'd make an excellent moderator
 
Are you still sure?
 
8:15 AM
@AnnZen I haven't posted that comment there, but I think it's still relevant. I would leave it there. I think it might have already been edited.
 
@Dharman It has. You missed a whole thing.
 
 
3 hours later…
11:02 AM
@ElectionBot What is my candidate score
 
@janw Your candidate score is 22 (out of 40). You are missing these badges: Copy Editor, Refiner, Sportsmanship. Perhaps consider nominating in the election?
 
11:27 AM
Hey guys, came here just to say, my vote is for the one guy who will give us copy code button. It's always been weird to copy code manually 😁😂
 
Moderators do not get to implement new features on the site.
 
can't they request the Stackoverflow for this?
 
well no one would listen to me :D
 
That's true. I would not listen to you. I think a "copy code" button would be a horrible feature.
You aren't supposed to copy-paste code from here.
 
11:29 AM
no one listens to me at home lol
@CodyGray tbh most of the times we are here to copy paste code :D
 
You can use code from Stack Overflow, but you should read and understand it.
 
Zoe
@CodyGray Really? And here I've been copying words from other messages to write! :P
 
@CodyGray iyes. but we copy code too..
 
Why do you copy code?
I never have.
@Zoe I thought your nomination post looked familiar!
 
11:30 AM
maybe implementing meta.stackoverflow.com/a/407073/4826457 wont be a bad idea...
 
Copy ideas and use these to write your own code
 
wrong room :) userscript requests down the corridor and to the right
 
Zoe
@CodyGray :D
 
Who says people blindly copy paste code from SO ?
 
@RaoHammas You?
 
@CodyGray tbh i never did so. I'll look for the best answer, will read comments, will see why this answer is better and if it is resolving my issue. Then i'll copy 🤣
 
Zoe
A practical demonstration tells you more than you need to know :')
 
@Zoe How does that prove anything?! Maybe they're just advertising Stack Overflow!
 
11:34 AM
NISSAN app developer didn't do anything wrong. i wonder how they caught him ? were they also copy pasting from SO ? Lol
 
@SurajRao Ta; that needed some comment cleanup
 
Zoe
Copy-pasting from SO is technically a license violation
 
No... copy-pasting without adding attribution is a license violation.
License doesn't care about the procedure you followed.
 
@Zoe never read a license in my life.. pretty sure most people visiting SO also never did .. 😁😂
 
Zoe
@CodyGray Touche
 
11:38 AM
@CodyGray While it's true. i don't think people answer to questions to consider it as a copy right answer ..:D
 
Hmm
I expect anyone who uses code from my answers to give me credit for it!
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A comment in the source code! Nothing fancy.
 
@CodyGray CODING ETHICS? i agree it should happen. but we never know if the answer itself is coped from somewhere ....??
 
I would have told you if the code in my answer was copied from somewhere else.
We should know that it is not. Attribution is required on Stack Overflow. If you're putting code in your answers that you didn't write, you have to give credit to the source. Otherwise, it's plagiarism.
Incidentally, plagiarism is something that moderators handle!!
 
@CodyGray most people don't! also, source "dude trust me" isn't reliable :D
on serious note i 100 percent agree to what you are saying ..
 
Yeah, I'm not really joking around. Attribution is absolutely required here. If you have anything in your answers that you didn't write yourself (code or text), then you need to give credit to the original source. Otherwise, those answers risk being deleted and your account being suspended if a moderator ever sees it.
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11:42 AM
@RaoHammas if anyone finds plagiarism they can mod flag...
 
Also, while you might think a link is enough, the best attribution would also mention the author's name
 
It just so happens, we have documentation on this: stackoverflow.com/help/referencing
Three required elements: (1) Author's name (if available), (2) Link to original source, (3) Appropriate use of blockquote formatting to indicate all copied content.
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@CodyGray great !
 
I believe this is also the fair usage policy of Stack Overflow. I do that for content I put on my bot site
 
Yeah, it's what is required by the CC by-SA license, under which all content published here is licensed.
 
11:49 AM
@CodyGray is referencing someone else's work on SO as answer comes under this license?...
 
Yeah. All answers on SO are licensed under CC by-SA, so you can always use them anywhere, as long as you follow those 3 rules.
Which is why I say... if you use code or text from one of my answers, great! Just put a comment in the code that gives me credit (my name and a link to the answer).
 
but referencing someone else's solution as answer without original author's permission ... isn't also that an issue then?
 
You have the permission
Whenever you post on Stack Overflow you give Stack Overflow permission to redistribute it
 
nah. referencing from other sites not SO.
 
Ahh, then you need to check the license of the other site
 
11:52 AM
Yeah, that gets a little bit tricky when you're referencing from other sites.
SO moderators don't enforce other site's licenses. We just look for common-sense fair-usage.
So you're good by our standards if you follow the same 3 rules.
To be legal, you'd need to check the license on the other site.
 
A quick message from my sponsors: The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 4 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@ElectionBot help
 
Keep talking and nobody explodes.
 
Uh-oh... nobody's talking...
 
@ElectionBot help
 
11:58 AM
Houston, we have a problem.
 
@ElectionBot help
 
Examples of election FAQs I can help with:
- what is an election
- how to nominate myself
- how to vote
- who should I vote for
- how is candidate score calculated
- what is my candidate score
- what are the moderation/participation/editing badges
- what is the election status
- when is the election starting/ending
- when is the next phase
- how many positions are elected
- who are the candidates
- who are the current mods
 

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