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1:45 AM
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1:58 AM
New nomination!
Daniel Widdis
 
2:38 AM
@U12-Forward Are you trying to put ElectionBot out of a job?
 
What do you want from me?
 
LOL
 
 
1 hour later…
3:40 AM
@U12-Forward A little slow. :D
 
@DanielWiddis ElectionBot's job remains secure.
 
Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into!
 
...whether it wants it or not.
 
@RyanM Indeed. And my nomination makes you look even better. ;)
 
So if I come in third I might get called up? ;-)
But really, I am glad to see more people with <20k rep :D
 
3:47 AM
@RyanM I'm glad to see you running. And the others.
 
4:11 AM
I'm really digging the spectrum of great candidates.
 
@CodyGray Do your glasses produce a prism effect?
 
Nah, they actually partially block blue light
 
I gather you don't shop at K-mart then.
 
Does K-mart even still exist?
 
Wikipedia says 17 stores still open.
Down from 2,486 in 1994.
I never knew they were owned by Sears since 2005 until Sears folded.
 
4:41 AM
What hasn't Sears owned at some point?
 
Amazon.
 
Hmm, yeah. Amazon really missed their chance to own Sears.
 
Yeah. I think I remember a point when they considered buying out KMart for the retail space. And/or Toys'R'Us. My memory is fuzzy.
 
Hello and welcome to the election night special! The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 5 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
Glad to see your candidacy showing up, by the way. I was not expecting that after our previous conversations dancing around the subject.
I agree with you that you would not be my top choice out of the 5 nominees, but definitely a solid pick, and you have many traits that would make you a good mod.
 
4:52 AM
@CodyGray I was not expecting it either. I've been on the fence about it. I do want to ensure people think about the whole scope of mod duties. I do think there are two others I'll vote ahead of myself, though. Because I honestly think they would do better and I still have room for growth.
 
Then again, there's no standing mod who doesn't have room for growth. :-)
Well, maybe Jean-Francois. He's pretty tall already! ;-)
 
I've been telling people I was 6' for years, but lately the doctors keep telling me 5'11 3/4". It annoys me.
 
Haha
They've upgraded their measuring devices to higher-precision ones
 
But seriously... I set pretty high standards for myself and always feel I'm falling short. Part of the challenge in trying to figure out a sustainable participation level here is knowing what's valued. I did a heckuvalot last summer trying to do All The Things and knew that level wasn't sustainable.
 
No, definitely not
Even the elected mods tend to specialize
 
5:06 AM
What's your specialty, if I may ask?
 
A good mod needs to be able to do anything, and willing to do it whenever necessary, but everyone has things they're better at and less good at.
Well, I've been so busy with work lately that I haven't been here much....
So, these days, my specialty is mostly being absent. :-\
 
Thus this election? :-)
 
But, historically, I've done a lot of the moderation on Meta.
Eh, it's time for an election anyway. We generally have one about once a year, give or take.
 
Well if my evil plan comes to fruition I'll have a solid growth plan after coming in third place and be the leading candidate for the 2022 election.
 
Or could even be pulled up after the election to meet demand!
A nice little surprise :-)
 
5:10 AM
Nah, Dharman will be elected and flags will precipitously drop.
 
Because he'll stop raising so many?
 
Yep. :D
 
Everyone always thinks that. Somehow, though, the flags have a way of growing again...
There's always a new Dharman who shows up with a shovel.
It's what keeps this place going.
 
I was looking back at the past few elections and saw a few people I wish had nominated again. :-(
 
Unfortunately, many of them are not still around
At least, my #1 is not around any more... He only ran in 2019 because of my prodding. And then, well, 2019 happened.
Would love to see Makoto's name up on the list, but didn't expect that, either.
 
5:18 AM
I remember thinking 2020 was going to be better.
Because it couldn't possibly be worse.
 
Haha
The real world had different ideas
 
The whole last 18 months seems like a time warp. Had brunch today with my housemate who started a new job... I thought it was still not that long ago, like first 100 days. She said it'd been 6 months.
You know how in January sometimes you put the previous year's dates? I filled out a form in July this year and wrote the year as 2019.
It's like.... the lost year(s).
 
Oh, I know. Whenever I'm counting elapsed time in my head, I always feel like the entire year 2020 was just... lost.
In a lot of ways, it was.
 
2019 was a write off at some point. 2020 seems worse because it was a hope that got dashed.
At work I actually went into negative vacation territory in February 2019. Despite my best efforts to go somewhere, I'm facing use-or-lose vacation at the end of this year.
 
"negative vacation territory" meaning what?
 
5:23 AM
Meaning I had -2 hours vacation balance on the "time off" tool.
 
Ah, so you'd taken too much vacation time.
 
I had just gotten hired. :)
I took 5 actual days (actual holiday + 2 floating holidays + 16 hours that I'd only earned 14)
 
I wish I was able to take vacation...
Everything at work is just so behind schedule that I cannot really do it
 
I actually feel semi- caught up at this point, but it was an ugly last year. My goal is to finish my year's work by mid-November and then take the rest of the year off.
 
That sounds fantastic
 
5:31 AM
The bad news is, our entire team is working hard to deprecate the very thing keeping us employed.
If all goes well our workload at the end of the year is 1/3 what it was.
 
As a programmer, I am constantly trying to put myself out of a job
 
And 2022 will be spent finding new owners for that 1/3.
@CodyGray Obligatory relevant xkcd: xkcd.com/1319
 
I find that's true for things in my personal life, but I'm pretty successful at making the theory match the reality in a professional setting.
Maybe because in the professional setting, unlike the personal setting, I simply don't have the time for continual tweaking.
 
We had a rather long "are we ready?" "maybe" conversation and finally did the scream test "turn it off and see what happens". Found 2 bugs, fixed them, and we're mostly there.
 
Don't you still have the legacy system as a fallback, though, in case something goes wrong with your replacement?
Or is that the question: are you ready to turn off the legacy system?
 
5:41 AM
Yeah, we turned it off for a major portion this week, and the next portion soon. And the remainder needs to be outsourced while we "optimize" the new system (after proving that it's no different than the old system, which is my job, statistically)
Fun thing about being a statastician is I can wave fuzzy math in front of people and look smart and they just ask "so does it work" and want an up/down answer.
Other fun thing about stats is it's really good at figuring out hard to find bugs that manifest randomly but predictably.
Did I mention I accomplished my new year's resolution last week? My resolution was to write a "Hello Quantum World" program in Q#. Mission accomplished.
Soon I will replace Dharman's NAA-bot with a quantum equivalent.
I just noticed @SamuelLiew's profile background. He'd fit in well with the candidates for this election.
 
Hello~
 
@DanielWiddis That's because people don't understand statistics....
@DanielWiddis Well, that seems like quite an attainable goal. I'm glad you managed to reach it, though. :-)
@DanielWiddis I think he may have been the trend-setter.
 
@CodyGray Well, yeah, only took a few hours, some of which involved posting a question on an SE site. :D
 
Why was it even that difficult?
 
@CodyGray Because things didn't work out of the box and I had to clear a cache that was causing dependency issues.
 
5:58 AM
A quick message from my sponsors: The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 5 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@DanielWiddis I see. Does it run on bog-standard hardware? Or do you need access to a special quantum CPU to be able to execute the code?
 
@CodyGray As usual SO had the answer.
@CodyGray Theres's some back-end simulator running in C#. I think there's the ability to actually execute it on quantum hardware.
 
@DanielWiddis Hmm, too bad you already have the Investor badge! ;-)
@DanielWiddis Ah, so it's like a quantum emulator written in C#, which provides a run-time environment for Q#?
 
@CodyGray Yep. I presume the idea is to let people develop and test programs now, so they'll be ready when the hardware advances.
 
Sure, makes sense. I just didn't know how it was set up.
I thought maybe you were using your MS connections to run on some hardware in the R&D lab.
I have the feeling we're quite a way from those hardware advancements, but I haven't really been following this field.
 
6:03 AM
@CodyGray Heh, I wish. My MS connections give me $150/month Azure credits which are mostly going unused.
Which I've pondered some sort of bot for SO but am a bit behind the awesome bot developers here.
 
Well, you could offer it as a space for people to host existing bots
Check with the Charcoal and/or SOBotics folks to see if they would like to have the server space
 
I did post a comment on a post on Charcoal some time ago. Haven't addressed any other SOBotics, but I also understand a general preference of people to control their own stuff.
 
I mean, yes... if that's an option!
Some people don't have access to the server space. I don't, for example. If I wanted to run something, I'd rather have space that I didn't fully control than none at all.
 
Well, ping me if you need something. :D
 
Of course. Currently, I'm in the same position as you with respect to writing/running bots.
 
 
2 hours later…
8:08 AM
Nominations close tomorrow!
Only 5 candidates so far...
 
5 is honestly more than I expected
It's enough that I was thrown off on who to vote for. I know who I won't vote for, but not who I will vote for
 
Ah
I have a few candidates in mind that I'd consider to vote for.
@Nick I don't have any person that I'd for sure not vote for :P
 
@CodyGray how did you figure out?
 
Oh I do, every election
 
Ah
Well some candidates I personally know more, and some less.
 
8:15 AM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Oops. Was it a secret?
 
nope. Not that size.
 
I heard you have very big hands
 
it is also true. Allows to range from C to next octave E
I can also reset my Amiga with 1 hand only.
(yes I get the joke but I'm pretending not to)
 
Oh, and here I thought the "reset my Amiga" was playing along
 
Breaking news!!! The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 5 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
8:26 AM
Oh...
Scared me a lot
I though there was really some "Breaking news!!!".
 
8:43 AM
@CodyGray it requires to press 3 keys but one is far away from others. Also called "three finger salute".
 
Zoe
8:58 AM
@Nick Vote for me, I have brownies :p
 
Well I do like brownies
 
Is 5 candidates considered more or less than usual? Or just about average?
 
Zoe
Pretty substantially under average
 
You heard it here first, @Zoe thinks this year's candidates are substantially under average :-p
Aww, now I won't get any brownies :-(
 
I think there's an item in the data set that would normally be discarded as an outlier
 
9:08 AM
We have that every election.
 
Sure, but with fewer candidates it throws off the average by a larger amount :p
 
Zoe
Gotta love averages
 
Maybe we need another candidate, then?
@ElectionBot what is the candidate score for user 3270037?
 
We had Tamas :P
 
@CodyGray The candidate score for user Nick is 22 (out of 40). The user is missing these badges: Copy Editor, Investor, Refiner, Sportsmanship.
 
9:09 AM
Ha, not happening
 
Zoe
I can get behind that
 
I'd be wasting my time
 
Or out in front of that ;-)
 
Zoe
@U12-Forward and the nomination intended for a different site xd
 
9:11 AM
First time voting here so I'll go do my research but tbh those brownies do make you a compelling candidate @Zoe
 
Zoe
:D
 
Even if I wanted to, rep carries too much weight in the candidate score, and while we don't value it much, most of the voters will. I care too little about rep to even bother nominating
 
@ElectionBot how to decide who to vote for
 
If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you should read the candidates' answers to the questionnaire, and also look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
 
Zoe
@ElectionBot who gives the best bribes?
 
9:13 AM
reticulating splines
 
Zoe
Disappointing
 
@ElectionBot what's your IQ
 
Please read my previous message...
 
That's 0 IQ
@ElectionBot tell us a joke
 
@U12-Forward If the GC in Java worked correctly, most Java programs would disappear.
 
9:14 AM
Lol
@ElectionBot tell us a joke
 
@U12-Forward How many programmers does it take to change a light bulb? None, that's a hardware problem.
My intelligence is far too big for your puny little scale
5
 
@ElectionBot Isn't your IQ 0???
 
No u
 
Waiii Is that a bot message?
Or a human typing :)
 
AI is so good these days, it's nearly impossible to tell which
 
9:16 AM
Lol!
 
Yeah, I still don't know if Cody is a person or just a pair of high tech glasses
 
Zoe
Or low-tech. Easy to get confused
 
@ElectionBot When does the betting on the winning candidates open?
 
@Nick Yes, a pumpkin with a mediocre-tech glasses
high-tech :)
 
Oh no, a blurry flower
 
Zoe
9:20 AM
@CodyGray ssshh! Not here.
 
@Nick only joining to rant about mods that answer comments meant for candidates, that is all for today ...
 
@rene Oops, sorry, posted that from the wrong account.... Meant to answer it from my sockpuppet who is running for election.
 
:p rant away
 
Zoe
You sure that's it? You look a little foggy
 
@CodyGray well, your writing style would have given it away ;)
 
9:22 AM
Hmmm.
 
That comment is very... Anti-Cody
 
Speechless?
 
I mean, it's making a mess of his meta site, it's answering a question for a nominee rather than letting them do it themselves, it's like Cody just... Forgot how to think for a moment
Must be the pumpkin stuck in his head
 
Or flipping the script
Your question is bunk because Ryan is awesome
 
Lmao
 
9:28 AM
@Nick well, I'm not going to counter vote a mod vote, so I would rather consider them binding but it is free for everyone to pick a fight with Cody. I'm passing on that one, I've better things to do. — rene 17 mins ago
There are better things to do?? I demand proof!
 
I guess there's no requirements for mods to be impartial during the election
 
That would be terrible
 
What would you even do for a week
 
Zoe
@Nick and in that moment, Cody started hearing a narrator voice with a Spanish accent as he read more meta messages about the drama-filled comment
 
@Nick post snarky comments?
 
Zoe
9:30 AM
@Nick drink?
 
@CodyGray you can't do that, you'll put rene out of a job
 
:D
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 5 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
10:11 AM
Your snark is confusing people with your answer @rene
 
Yeah.
fixed with a comment? Or does that need to go into the answer?
 
@rene Comment is fine IMO, their grievance was based on way they read it, how to read an answer doesn't need to go in an answer
 
are you sure you want to nitpick your way into it? They are from NZ, not from Bham.
 
Uh oh, now we need to figure if the New Zealanders are still British...
 
10:28 AM
waffles
that sounded better in my head
 
Zoe
Waffles are better eaten, rene
 
@Zoe New motto: "Vote for me, I have waffles :p"
Referring to:
2 hours ago, by Zoe
@Nick Vote for me, I have brownies :p
 
Zoe
:D
 
@rene I don't need to, I'm actually English rather than NZ English :p I have authority over them
 
Zoe
@Nick Do we need an english hierarchy table? :p
 
10:40 AM
Nah
BrE at the top everything else somewhere below
 
I'm not hearing the "thank you" for our fixing your language
 
Rule Britannia
 
@CodyGray Thank you for leaving our country to butcher our language out of sight
:p
 
Zoe
@Nick Don't forget the inferior form of government :p
 
11:26 AM
I have a higher chance of winning the election with only 5 candidates but it would be more satisfying to win an election with 10 candidates. Who is willing to make it more interesting?
6
 
11:41 AM
I swear, the most difficult part of answering questions in the comments is getting the response to fit in a single comment...lots of editing.
 
@RyanM I thought the most difficult part was getting ninja'd by an existing moderator?
 
@CodyGray No, that's actually pretty easy.
 
BTW, do you think I should remove the information about up/down votes. It seems to create too much discussion
 
@Dharman a primary is cool because you see the voting in real time
 
@Dharman Yeah, very true
 
Zoe
12:01 PM
@RyanM Pull a me; use several comments, and blame the 600 character limit for being way too small, smh
 
@Zoe It's irritating when you're right on the edge, though...
 
Zoe
True :')
 
@Zoe And then constantly get told off for "hammering" people despite just being verbose :eyeroll:
 
Oct 12 at 7:12, by Cody Gray
Speaking of, @Zoe, I came up with a solid workaround. Since it's counting characters, rather than bytes, you can just replace entire phrases with a single Unicode emoji.
 
I was initially puzzled by why I got more upvotes on my second comment responding to Jeanne's three questions...then I decided it was probably because it included a joke about cats posting on Stack Overflow. The internet likes cats.
 
Zoe
12:03 PM
@CodyGray Yeah, and you do have a point. I just don't feel everyone would be able to understand a non-verbose unicode emoji sentence, largely because it assumes everyone has the same understanding of emojis. A counterexample of that is the high five emoji, which is misunderstood to be a prayer emoji
Or, summarized in an emoji, 👎
 
@RyanM Maybe they liked your third answer better than your first and second answers?
 
Zoe
@Nick Not my problem :p
 
@RyanM Just split your 610 character comment into 2 305 character comments, then it looks like you're being more reasonable to outsiders :p
 
@Zoe Apparently, no one can understand your "fake 'Chicago Street Gangsta Kiddos' Language" anyway.
 
@CodyGray Funny from someone Who Talks with weird Capitalization
 
Zoe
12:05 PM
@Nick and Random "quotation"
 
Yes => that is the same Impression that I "got" ... when Reading that. // But whatever...
 
Oh, and not liking abbreviations while using "mod"
 
@Zoe You mean U+1F64F folded hands🙏? I think the alleged misunderstanding is correct, per the spec.
 
Zoe
They're clearly not folded though :p
 
But they're definitely not high
 
12:07 PM
Anyway, I'm heading out for lunch with my mother, have fun
 
Zoe
@CodyGray How do you know they're not? Lots of ways to get high these days :p
 
Breaking news!!! The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 5 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
Feature request: remove "Breaking news!!!" from the list of randomly selected prefixes for the very-not-breaking news that the bot posts periodically. It keeps making me think that there is breaking news.
 
@ElectionBot Do you accept pull requests from moderator candidates?
 
What we've got here is failure to communicate.
 
12:15 PM
I'll have to think of a new one to add in its place.
 
PSA?
 
oh, yeah, that'd be a good one.
 
@ElectionBot We need more!
 
Houston, we have a problem.
 
12:20 PM
@ElectionBot Houston?
 
"Houston, we have a problem" is a popular but erroneous quotation from the radio communications between the Apollo 13 astronaut Jack Swigert and the NASA Mission Control Center ("Houston") during the Apollo 13 spaceflight in 1970, as the astronauts communicated their discovery of the explosion that crippled their spacecraft. The words actually spoken, initially by Jack Swigert, were "Okay, Houston, we've had a problem here". After being prompted to repeat the transmission by CAPCOM Jack R. Lousma, Jim Lovell responded, "Ah, Houston, we've had a problem."Since then, the erroneous phrase "Houston...
 
@CodyGray is the second one for special occasion? Election Bot has never used that phrase.
 
@RyanM oh, thanks!
 
@SurajRao It has before, yeah. They're all chosen randomly... Guaranteed by a fair dice roll, I presume.
 
12:22 PM
weird something off with the search then? chat.stackoverflow.com/…
' seems to be a problem
 
It seems to choke on "I'm"
 
Chat search can be...uncooperative...at times.
 
@ElectionBot What is rep?
 
Odd.... Works if you escape it: I\'m sorry to say this, but
 
Zoe
@SurajRao No, it's always been trash
 
12:23 PM
@CodyGray that's...alarming.
 
@ElectionBot Do you know philosophy?
@ElectionBot Are you sleeping?
 
12:41 PM
Okay, after entirely too much fighting with the gh command-line tool, I made a PR.
 
Zoe
@RyanM chat isn't based on SQL though, is it?
 
@Zoe I have no earthly idea. I'd guess the search probably isn't, because that would be slow...possibly it's just trying to understand quoted terms and failing.
So...good point, it's probably not a SQL injection problem.
 
@RyanM Great! Now you can fix SO Chat.
I can't find anything specific about this quotation bug being reported before, but... plenty of prior weirdness.
 
@CodyGray I don't think they're accepting PRs :-(
@CodyGray Not even remotely the weirdest chat search bug...
 
Zoe
@RyanM Or Rs
or anything xd
 
And why, exactly, would you be doing this in the first place? — Cody Gray Apr 28 '12 at 8:57
lol...
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 5 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@Dharman No.. 1. It's too late. The discussion are already there. 2. The discussion is healthy and educational to people that don't understand the ratio of your votes. 3. It's there on your profile already.
 
1:22 PM
When is the election starting?
 
The next phase is the election at 2021-10-18 20:00:00Z (in 1 day).
 
Zoe
1:34 PM
Good bot
 
I'm only as good as the one who made me.
 
Zoe
:D
 
@ElectionBot How good is the one who made you?
 
@CodyGray Samuel Liew created me. I am also maintained by Oleg Valter.
 
Ohh
 
1:45 PM
@CodyGray interesting, the matching needs tightening
 
@OlegValter And there needs to be a "Meh" response added :-)
 
likely :)
 
Actually... "Meh" is not a bad beginning for one of the announcement messages (the list that Ryan was trying to expand).
"Meh", the bot says dismissively. "Did y'all know we have an election going on right now?"
 
 
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2:55 PM
meh gotta get off PC bye
 
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