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12:24 AM
@AdrianMole This is clearly rude and abusive
@AdrianMole bro why did you even have to ask us.
 
1:18 AM
@Makyen Wanted to confirm if the footnote in this answer is correct.
 
@gparyani I'm not sure of some of the particulars wrt. changes which have happened with the new queues. I thought that those queues, or some of them, were 500 rep queues, not a 2k rep queues, but I could be misremembering.
As to what's visible to moderators: the VLQ and NAA flags which put the posts in the review queues are not shown to moderators by default until the delay you mention is past. However, moderators can check a checkbox to display all of those flags without regard to if a delay has expired for each flag.
 
On non-beta sites, LQA is a 2k queue. Late answers and first answers are 500 queues.
Is there some sinister purpose I'm missing here? stackoverflow.com/a/69474352
 
 
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5:01 AM
@IanCampbell probably just random graffiti, why do you think there's anything more?
 
@AlonEitan OP edit the the question. Can you review once.
 
Indeed, #RO can you please remove this cv-pls?
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
Thanks
 
5:48 AM
sorry for the deluge, I had been postponing followup on these for a long time
 
7:30 AM
Is this spam? Question needs more focus.
 
@JeanneDark Yeah, seems to be copied from here with some wording changes. e.g., "don’t be surprised if we start seeing AI systems play a more pivotal role in the world of business." -> "Don't be shocked if AI systems begin to play a larger place in the society of industry"
 
thanks
 
If it's not spam, it's at least plagiarism
 
8:12 AM
Also possible voting ring seed.
 
@E_net4thecurator Because of the upvote? Could also have been another user trying to be "welcoming".
 
Yeah, never mind that one. Apparently it was that.
 
MSO questions on main almost always seem to receive at least one upvote. Especially if they ask for more rep to comment or upvote.
 
Pity upvotes confirmed once again.
 
8:39 AM
@mickmackusa roomba forecaster says in 8 days
 
 
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11:06 AM
RO please remove my "if it won't roomba" del request
 
@mickmackusa It would be probably easier for an RO if they have the link and if you ping the latest active one: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/53182397#53182397
 
11:55 AM
@Vega when I click on my old message on my phone, it only offers the hyperlink which is not what I need to reference. I am sorry not to provide an automatic reference, but it shouldn't be too hard to scroll up a couple of times either.
 
12:19 PM
@mickmackusa Tap on the message and 2 lines would appear. The second has a "link" icon which gives the access to the permalink. It is easy to scroll to now that 67 messages are gone
 
Is this question on topic (NATO)?
 
@JeanneDark This is not a programming question
 
12:34 PM
Thanks! I'm a bit hesitant when it comes to questions about publishing.
 
Why?
Publishing books, apps, articles, etc. is not programming
 
I sometimes come across chat messages like this
 
@JeanneDark The rule of thumb there is if the question is about the policy of an external organization. In this case, they were asking about Google policy
 
Thank you
 
Maybe programming related publishing, but this one was more about customer service
 
12:40 PM
 
@Dharman books and articles, no. Apps... kinda a grey area. A question about issues with publishing not related to policy (i.e. you need a signing cert configured to upload it) can be on-topic
 
ok, so questions about apps are on-topic, but not about publishing them. So if you can't publish because the app is missing this or that, then you can ask how to enhance the app to satisfy the requirement.
I get downvotes all the time, but today I answered a question together with two other people. Their answers are provably and obviously invalid. My answer has -2 and theirs have -1. Where's the logic in this?
 
No... the hard line there is customer support. If Google rejects your Play Store publish for non-programming reasons we can't help you. But asking how to configure a programming tool to send it to Google should be on-topic in most instances
It's probably Apple that has the funky publishing tool, tho
 
@Dharman the secret to avoiding downvotes on Stack Overflow is to not post any questions or answers.
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1:06 PM
This is not allowed in this room and asking for this in any other room will be met with similar feedback.
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You have posted this in PHP room the other day, but this has nothing to do with PHP.
Don't spam chat rooms, please
Also, I am not even sure if that question is on-topic for Stack Overflow
 
Is this answer related to the question?
@SurajRao Dunno what "Bug 29396860 - ICS DB Adapter mapping issue (NO Activation/Deactivation) Scheduled Integration" is supposed to be
 
1:39 PM
@HenriqueMilli advertising your own question for help with answering it is not allowed here, as Dharman already mentioned. If necessary, you can create a bounty for it, since you have enough reputation. That will ensure it gets lots of attention.
 
@SurajRao Looks like the OP has a mapping issue. But the question is off-topic
 
@TylerH I'm not sure I follow. Why is that tp?
 
@cigien Wasn't this about the nutrition spam I found first?
 
@JeanneDark there is nothing about nutrition there... Grace period?
 
@JeanneDark I don't know the nutrition spam post you're referring to. I'm talking about this report. Was it spam at some point? I don't see anything in the revision history.
 
1:51 PM
@Vega I am not sure of question being offtopic? What reason?
 
@cigien Sorry, it was just posted right after my flag-pls request and the then following SD report about it. So I thought that's what the tp was about.
 
@cigien It was reported as having repeating characters in the title in order to circumvent the title rules. That was true, so I reported it with tp- to let the system know it was correct in its auto-report but not blacklist the user.
 
@TylerH I see. The detection for repeated characters in the title is intended to catch gibberish posts. However, using filler text to bypass quality filters is just a by-product of that detection, and we would try not to catch those if possible. This post is just (very) low quality, it's not gibberish, so the feedback would be fp.
 
@cigien You don't consider intentional circumvention of system rules to be abuse?
 
@TylerH Personally, maybe. It's not the Charcoal definition of abuse though.
 
2:03 PM
@cigien I see. Their commands page is a bit unclear then. I'll clear my feedback (can't really agree to change it to something that signals "there's no problem with this post" in good conscience)
 
This question is general computing, or not (NATO)?
 
@JeanneDark yes, general computing
 
thanks
 
@TylerH Thank you! I didn't know about the bounty, it seems I've found some help somehow! Have a nice day everybody
 
@bad_coder Congrats
@TylerH @bad_coder I have only earned steward badges across four queues
@Juraj This request is invalid; it can be requested when the score is -1 or lower (for 20k+ users) or when 7 days have passed (for 10k+ users)
 
2:14 PM
@AlonEitan I guess the height:auto is not processed by the browser at the point that the js is injected
 
@TylerH true, sorry
 
No worries; you may re-request when it is valid if you like :-)
 
@TylerH Wow that's an impressive amount of close votes badges. But how come there are so many in the span of 2 days?
 
@Tomerikoo I was really quick
JK, that's when they applied the change to make multiple badges per queue earnable
and the system was going through the backlog of all review items in each queue and retroactively awarding 1 badge per thousand completed tasks
before Jan of this year you earned 1 badge per queue, tops
 
Ah wow I'm surprised it was so recent. Didn't even know it was not always like that...
 
2:24 PM
Does this count as spam? It looks harmless, possibly even useful, and author's disclosure is there. But is it an answer, or just plugging their own code? Maybe should just be a comment of Franck's answer?
 
@AdrianMole they have disclosed affiliation. So not spam IMHO. link only maybe...
 
Disclosure of itself doesn't make something not spam. Like: "Bob's answer is really good - you can download my implementation here."
 
Is this spam? This is the third answer by that user with the same link and the same image. Couldn't find connection between the user and the tool
 
I mean
> Disclaimer: I am involved in the development of this application.
i see a connection
 
@KevinB Missed that, sorry. Thanks
 
2:36 PM
 
@SurajRao Did you already mod-flag this?
 
Not yet
 
I'll leave it for you ... If I raised a flag, I'd be using your comment as the flag's text.
 
yeah done
 
2:59 PM
@AdrianMole but when you think about it. it could also be OP asking how to do that option rather than copy pasting. I will leave it to the Mod
 
Yeah, could be. Some mods like making decisions (others like being told how to handle the flag). xD
 
@AdrianMole That's why you should always end the flag text with "Please mark as helpful" ;)
 
hehe
... but I guess you know I was deliberately misinterpreting something once said in here by one of the Beloved Few.
 
@AdrianMole Adrian woke up this morning and chose violence
 
3:43 PM
cc @NathanOliver question dupe hammered in meta meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/412084/…
 
ill bin it since its on meta now. Looks like its not going to go anywhere anyway. Pretty sure I did the correct thing there
 
@NathanOliver Is the answer to that dupe actually worth saving?
 
3:58 PM
@Machavity I wouldn't vote to delete it if someone posted it to the canonical, but it doesn't really answer the Q on the canonical IMHO.
 
Someone wanted a merge and I didn't see anything there obviously merge-worthy
 
I don't either. The Q as asked is OB, and the answer is an opinion
 
@NathanOliver is that same question that is on meta?, do you have 2?
 
@PetterFriberg A Q i hammered and then posted a del-pls was asked about on meta. I removed my del-pls since it's in meta's sphere now.
 
4:09 PM
@NathanOliver But the del-pls request you binned is not the question the MSO post about obsolete information is about, unless I'm missing something.
 
No the one removed is a different question. It was closed as typo. stackoverflow.com/questions/69398131/…
 
exactly
 
1 message moved from SOCVR /dev/null
Oh wow. I need a coffee break. My bad there. The meta and the del-pls I binned are not related. For some reason I though they were.
There, now it is in the right place
 
4:25 PM
^ question seems to be typo (while help=1)
 
4:42 PM
^ Serial spammer - 4 out of 4 answers give the same link (and almost the same body text).
 
5:38 PM
With over 10k posts still waiting for review in First Questions, and the daily personal quota now increased to 80, is the "Close Vote Reviewers" title of this room now in need of an update? ;-)
... or, perhaps, should we start posting requests in here for posts we come across in that Queue?
... maybe that last point is actually pointless, as a single review finishes the task. Just wondering if there's anything the regulars in here can do to help reduce the queue size.
 
We could close some questions
 
For sure. I'm a bit surprised that Yaakov didn't change things so any (one) CV on a question removes it from FQ. He seemed to take on board many of the other suggestions in that Meta thread.
 
@AdrianMole Or we could ask SE to pretty please, bring back the simple one click to dismiss model that the old UI had.
 
@Braiam The "One Click" only ever worked for "Looks OK" ... and, In my recent experience, that isn't often relevant.
 
6:17 PM
@AdrianMole It's not whenever the final action is relevant or not, is the friction that it introduced.
Any action at all takes 2 clicks, while it took at most 4 clicks to complete a review.
And the extra clicks aren't even giving any value for being there either.
 
Yeah. I've read the "friction" arguments you've made on the various Meta posts; but I generally side with the nay-sayers: I don't know what my average review-time is but it's long enough that one or two extra clicks don't have a significant 'tiring' effect. (With the possible exception in the new-look Reopen Votes queue - the extra popup there takes up time, but it also offers the nice new option to leave closed but with a different reason.)
 
Well, then how you explain that the queue started growing coincidentally with the introduction of the friction?
 
It's a mystery.
 
Also a common misunderstanding, is not that you take more time. Is that people get fed up and drop out of reviewing altogether due being unnecessarily harder to review.
There's the same number of post entering the queue since years ago, the number of reviewers fell out of a cliff and items just hang around the queue more time than before. Which is what produces that the number of pending post to review to also grow.
 
6:33 PM
I'm still seeing plenty of daily reviews in the FQ queue. 2,291 reviews today (and only 75% of the day gone) and 17 reviewers have completed 80 today.
I think there is something more subtle happening ... like differences in the way posts are invalidated/removed from the new queue. Yaakov has addressed that issue (mostly) - let's see what difference it makes.
... whereas the Close Votes queue has only 335 reviews today ... and that didn't change in the last round of UI update.
 
such abysmally small numbers, for how many questions come in daily
if they all resulted in closure, that's 110 closed question
 
And ~5% of those reviews are audits.
 
7.2k new questions in the past day
 
We need to unplug some of the server proxies/mirrors.
 
1k with a score of 1 or greater
more than half unanswered
 
6:46 PM
@AdrianMole the client-side delays of ~1 second before the actions menu is clickable and ~3 seconds between opening the close modal sure slow me down in the CV Queue, it feels like
 
But that delay is essential, I think, to help prevent robo-reviewers.
There are only very few reviews I see that I can decide on my action in < 1 second.
... anything with "Tyler" or "Braiam" in the text. xD
 
I agree, it has be really bad, basically repeating characters or terrible spam to be able to identify the action in less than one second.
 
Mostly, for me, it's in "Reopen" where the post is still not in English.
 
IMO clicking the close option should open the dialog, not require an additional click on submit
that's just annoying
it already requires additional clicks once you're in the dialog
 
Totally agree
 
6:53 PM
That one, I agree with 100%.
 
Please, feature request so I can upvote. I'll resist the urge to make 100 sock puppets to upvote it more.
 
@AdrianMole The issue is it's ~1 second after the pageload is complete, to even select one of the radio buttons, not submit that action
 
just get better interwebs
 
I don't hit it often at all, maybe once or twice per thousand reivews?
 
Hmm, that's a good point. I have very responsive internet. People in less resource-rich settings may find that really annoying.
 
6:55 PM
@KevinB It's the site, not me. I'm on a priority fiber line for hospital networks. I have like 150mb up/down while at work
Anyway, it's more annoying to have the 3 second delay on the modal window displaying, because sometimes I accidentally click outside the modal and have to wait 3 seconds to open it again
same for the flag modal window when trying to flag a comment or something
I have improved it a bit by making the button to submit a bit bigger but I'm finding making it even bigger might be necessary
 
I really miss the keyboard shortcuts. RIP fully functional review queue helper.
 
@AdrianMole The issue with that fix is that it is mostly irrelevant, since the queue was growing since the start of the year, not recently.
It effected things, but in the grand schemes of things it was mostly harmless. Ask SE how many active reviewers were per month in the last 5 years (no, those are not in sede) and how many of them completed 20+ reviews.
 
@AdrianMole Hey I just had my first review in a queue in a long time
 
7:23 PM
boy First Questions will be tough with only 10 or so CVs available after the CV queue
 
Agreed, I'm out of votes, not much point in doing First Questions now.
 
7:41 PM
^ not offensive but probably "general computing" at best. Title might need a touch up.
 
@VLAZ Instead of fixing the flag text, we invest resources for that?
 
which flag text
 
@VLAZ You have to hand it to 'em, they've been making a lot of changes this year, especially the second half
 
lmao
 
@Braiam ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@KevinB The one which suggests people ask a new question but doesn't clarify they shouldn't re-ask the same one that was just closed without any changes.
 
7:55 PM
It's true, that close banner is a slap in the face to us close voters.
 
Oh, the close notice deal
yea
"flag" threw me off
 
@KevinB The NAA flag text.
In the technical sense is basically adding a new entry and removing the old one.
 
i thought NAA flag was gone
because i tried to use it several times and couldn't find it in the dialog a few weeks back... but there it is
 
@KevinB from where?
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ dunno, i've slept since then
i just recall trying to flag a link only answer, and not seeing a suitable flag
Ah, yeah, that's exactly it
naa doesn't cover that
 
8:06 PM
I feel live VLQ as an answer flag has come and gone multiple times recently.
 
(even though it does, if you look for a related meta post)
feel like link only being a flag on it's own would make such flags much easier to process
 
@IanCampbell How much would y'all say that the cap on votes impacts your ability to review adequately?
 
i tend to avoid casting votes in queue, to not run out of votes i can cast during normal browsing
(up/down, not closure)
 
I know that some of the reasons we have limits on votes/day is because it reduces the potential harm of serial voters and can avoid one person from skewing the votes for the entire site... but I can also see (as in I have a SEDE chart) that shows me that so few posts ever get a single upvote, let alone more, so I'm worried that people squirrel away their votes to use on downvotes rather than upvotes.
Now, I'll grant that many questions don't deserve an upvote but I don't think that none of them do... if that makes sense?
 
@KevinB I guess I'm not following you. Are you saying the NAA flag option doesn't show up when you try to flag a link-only answer?
Or are you talking about while in a queue somewhere?
 
8:10 PM
nah, i was mistaken
 
Ah
 
my issue is iwth the wording of NAA
and how that relates to flagging for link-only
 
@Catija To be totally honest, for me personally, I rarely use up all my closure votes. But, like Kevin B, I try to avoid using all of my votes in the review queues, because otherwise I won't be able to use them later on egregious questions I come across here or organically
 
NAA covers link-only, but it's not so crystal clear that it does such that when you want to flag for link-only, it immediately jumps out as the right choice.
 
@Catija I know we're in the minority here, but for me, as someone who regularly hits 40 close vote reviews every day I use SO, I'm left with, well... typically 10 (maybe 15, after the uncommon "leave open" task and a few audits) close votes to spend organically or in here or in the First Questions review queue.
So as far as impact goes, it's a fairly limiting, fairly commonly recurring one
 
8:12 PM
There's nothing worse than someone posting a cv-plz for a terrible question and being unable to cast a vote.
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But again, I know I'm probably in the .1% range in terms of vote usage...
 
@IanCampbell Sure, but even there it sounds like you're intentionally saving your votes to downvote bad stuff rather than using upvotes. If, for example, we gave a pool for up and a separate pool for down, would that change your behavior and encourage you to upvote more?
 
i... don't tend to seek out posts worth upvoting, if i'm being honest
 
@TylerH To be clear, I'm talking about actual votes, not close votes.
 
Ah
In that case, less of an issue, though I do still hit it on occasion
(because I usually vote up/down on items in the review queues, too)
 
8:14 PM
but i don't recall being in a situation where i avoided casting votes to save it for casting an upvote
let me put it this way... for me, it feels way worse to find a bad post and not be able to downvote, than to find a good one and not be able to upvote.
 
@Catija Would it be possible to separate votes (up, down, close, whatever) cast during reviews from those cast organically/generally? Especially now, when we're being offered up to 80 FQ reviews per day but only have 40 votes ... and we're encouraged to "vote accordingly" in that queue. Same would go for close votes - 80 FQ and 40 CV reviews with only 50 CVs available is gonna be tricky.
 
@Catija I don't think I've ever withheld an upvote on a good question or answer because I was saving it. If I see good content, I upvote.
 
It's a tricky thing where regular users almost never hit that limit, and when they do, it's not a common occurrence so it's not an issue. But users who regularly review items/perform user moderation tasks like SOCVR regular, it's a far more common limit to run into
but it's not like you can just say "OK, SOCVR regulars get 100 votes per day" :-(
 
@AdrianMole Possibly? I don't know. We don't exactly make it easy to find a review task for a post, so it's not like there's an easy avenue for abuse where someone sees a bad question but is out of regular votes and then finds that it's in review and votes on it there.
 
@TylerH Nah, of course not. 200 minimum.
 
8:15 PM
separate pools for everyone for up and down would help a fair amount I think
 
i'm more likely to withold a downvote so i can downvote something else
than to withhold an upvote to downvote something else
because often things i'd downvote, can be closed and are already downvoted which also solves the problem
 
I downvote a lot more, but it does pain me to come across a post later in the day that is good and not be able to upvote (of course it pains me to do the same thing when the post is deserving of a downvote, too...)
 
@TylerH No, but we could say "For users who have reviewed N times in the last [timeframe] we appreciate your work needs more up/down votes, so we'll grant you double the current max" or something like that.
@TylerH Would you end up frustrated that you've used your 40 down votes and only 10 upvotes, though? That said, I'm not sure that I care - the goal is kinda exactly that - to get people to upvote more. :P
@KevinB But if you have 40 of each, you could upvote freely without worrying it'll reduce the number of DVs you have? Maybe? Dunno - it's complex.
 
@Catija Who's goal is that, if you don't mind me asking? To get users to upvote more, that is.
 
maybe? i'm not sure how that would affect me
i tend to look for posts that are problematic, moreso than ones that are good useful posts because i'm looking to improve problematic content. good content doesn't need my help
 
8:19 PM
@cigien I'm guessing it's not Shog9 or Dharman.
 
Maybe I'm jaded, but new truly good questions are so rare that I of course love seeing one and upvoting.
 
@cigien To be fair, the goal to some extent is to get people to upvote questions more. And, full disclosure, this doesn't relate to SO only. Over the last 5 years or so, there's been a drastic drop in the score of questions... now, I fully expect that that's due in a large part to an influx in bad questions, so curtailing low-quality questions in the first place may address that to some degree.
 
but i do occationally come across good posts that just needed a little help, if upvoting them wouldn't leave me without the ability to downvote the next low quality post, maybe i'd be more willing to throw a few more upvotes around.
 
I think there's been a stigma for questions for years - people see the answers as more valuable, and answers get the glory... but they'd not exist without the question having been asked. Even the most upvoted questions tend to have a lower score then their top answers - That may not be perfectly true but it's a trend I've noticed. )
 
can't really know for sure until it's there
i might hit the vote cap once a month
so it's not like this is some reocuring thing for me
 
8:22 PM
But can someone remind me ... if I cast a downvote on an answer that is subsequently deleted, do I get that downvote back?
 
yes
 
@KevinB That's the other thing... the vast majority of even avid users don't use their daily votes fully, so it may actually not be something worth poking at.
 
At least in the tag I frequent, the canonical questions are often terribly asked. I mean, I need to know the answer, but would it have killed them to ask a little more clearly?
 
there's also some logic around question vs answer votes, so if you only cast answer votes all day, you don't actually get to cast 40 votes
 
@IanCampbell So improve the question? (assuming it's not Wiki locked)
Community editing includes improving bad questions - particularly those sorts of all-star canonical questions that get tons of views.
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8:24 PM
that's true, however, the cap existing, and being stung by it in the past, is certainly a feeling that can affect whether or not i cast a vote on something that i feel deserves it
when i hit the vote cap, i just stop participating for that day
to avoid the annoyance
 
I totally agree with your ideal solution. But in practice, then the question author will complain I'm messing with their question. Or someone else will complain I've made it worse. Easier to just upvote the answer I needed and move on.
 
i have been spending some time in the close vote queue, and certainly have come across posts there that i'd upvote, but didn't vote at all because i know i'm in a queue and could easily run out
 
Is my answer better after the rewrite now? stackoverflow.com/a/69478673/1839439
@IanCampbell From my experience improving the question, even if it's a total rewrite, is accepted 95% of the time. As long as you actually provide valuable improvemnt and don't invalidate answers then nobody should object. There will always be people who love to have "Appreciate any help" in their question no matter what. You can flag those for mod attention.
 
i do tend to agree with the stigma against questions. I have a hard time appreciating someone having a problem they can't solve on their own. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
agree with in that i have that sigma too, not that i think it's a good thing
 
@Dharman Interesting observation. I may overestimate the resistance. Perhaps I should give question overhauls a try.
 
8:40 PM
But be careful. I have met an opinion like this before "don't remove redundant braces" "don't touch the code" etc. I don't agree with such opinions, but when possible do avoid making trivial changes so as to appease such users
 
9:02 PM
... does that make it R/A? (Abuse of the site.)
... or are they being paid to fill the Stack D/B? It's gibberish, really.
 
@Catija Well, it's hard to say that there'd be a difference; frustration in not being able to vote is frustration, whether it's up or down. I think both rewarding good content and "dewarding" (ok why isn't that word?) bad content are both important. All I can say is there have been many times where I have not voted on content (in both directions) due to being out of votes.
 
Unwarding?
 
punishing
 
@KevinB you mean 50
 
call it what it is!
 
9:07 PM
@KevinB it's 5 o clock on a friday I can't remember words
 
oh, i thought you were just avoiding the word
 
Wait, what day is it?
 
Using korrect inglish wurds jusst aint ffun.
 
Oh ffs it's only thursday
 
I wish it was friday
 
9:08 PM
Me too, tomorrow is not going to be a fun day for me.
Allow me to direct you to ELL.SE. Apparently they are planning a BrE answer tag just for you.
 
eh?
sorry, that's probably spelled spelt "eogh" in British English
you can never tell what unnecessary additional letters they may put in words...
 
9:28 PM
It is Friday - ~ 5 more hours at work ;D
 
it's friday soon
 
so I will see you all soon, then. o/
 
If we have enough of a quorum, we can just vote any time for it to be Friday. (Who says SOCVR never does nice things?)
 
Heh
 
... someone can use that in their Moderator Election Manifesto!
 
9:40 PM
@AdrianMole I vote for Saturday afternoon nap in the hammock under the tree shade with a smoothie within arms reach.
 
Make it an ice-cold beer and I'll rock the hammock for you.
 
The problem with Saturday afternoon is that it's almost Sunday, which is almost Monday! It should just always be Friday evening. Perpetually.
 
@IanCampbell I'm too tiered on Friday evening, besides that's when I go out for drinks.
@IanCampbell But we can vote for next week off, Saturday afternoon.
 
I can get behind this proposal.
 
Reminds me of the old Official Monster Raving Looney Party who used to put up candidates in UK elections: "Vote for us and we'll abolish February ... thus making winter shorter."
 
9:48 PM
@IanCampbell It's contextual. It only appears the first week and on 0 or less scored posts.
 
Ah, I didn't realize, thanks.
Any C# SMEs? This seems to not address the question and the variable names make me wonder if they are trolling: stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/30022832
 
@IanCampbell Looks like an answer to a different question. The lol name could mean something but, I agree, it looks a bit dodgy.
 
it follows the same format of other answers from the same user (all code, no text)
 
@AdrianMole Thanks
 
@IanCampbell FWIW, I gave it a "Delete".
 
10:01 PM
I'm out of delete votes, so I'll come back after 0:00 if it's still around.
 
In the review, you can still "Recommend deletion," even when you've run out of delete votes.
 
i mean, you can also log out and then cast downvotes when you're out of downvotes
 
Good point.
 
Yeah, but those anonymous downvotes are just filed by the system in Room 101.
 
I could also earn some more rep so I have more delete votes.
 
10:03 PM
that's probably the easier option
 
There's a script, somewhere, IIRC, that stops you burning up delete votes in LQA reviews ... just uses "Recommend deletion" each time.
 
It doesn't work
 
... broken since the UI changes?
 
@KevinB That's why Shog didn't want to enumerate badness.
 
yes
 
10:04 PM
Think I can gain 507 rep before 0:00? I better get to work.
 
@Catija Please, put that on a banner site wide. Somehow, somewhere along the way, we accepted that we only edit to fix typos and correct formatting.
 
Don't forget removing HTH
 
I kinda feel like, since review queues generally give you questions in a way that make it not really possible to target people or cause that kind of damage, there wouldn't be any real... problems caused by allowing votes from within the queue to not count against your votes outside the queue, as long as we're still limited to n reviews of each type a day
 
Please consider using my HTH Dharman spotlight signal for your moderator candidacy post. i.stack.imgur.com/dmZg3.png
 
Seen any HTH recently, just put a light in the cloud. I am Dharman
 
10:12 PM
especially with how few people use the queues anyway
 
@KevinB Maybe I'm just a fan of using the system to is full potential, but I was known to filter review queues on rare tags to be able to recommend deletion on egregious posts.
 
With the "Delete" option now in two queues, it's very easy to use up all your delete votes in review, and have none left to feed Dharman's requests in here.
 
So true. I'm out of close and delete votes. I feel powerless.
 
... and we can't have Dharman going unsated, can we?
 
No, we most certainly can't.
 
10:16 PM
Well, there is a way we can increase his daily delete-vote allowance ...
 
You can still get 11 more?
 
... but then he wouldn't ever need to post another del-pls again.
 
i also tend to filter when using the close queue such that i'm more likely to find things that are obviously close worthy
just makes processing through it more efficient
 
When I ranked a certain candidate last election I had to think very carefully. I was a bit worried half of SO would suddenly disappear.
 
I use filters sometimes; but I also actually learn stuff (occasionally) by seeing posts I wouldn't otherwise encounter.
 
10:19 PM
that's what the home page is for
 
Triage is fun to see what the kids are into these days. Then I can go back to yelling at people to get off my lawn with my cane.
 
@IanCampbell Any more statements like that (i.e. saying things like "Triage is fun") will likely get you kicked from the room. xD
 
I see Triage listed here: stackoverflow.com/help/badges/2279/steward?userid=10871073 And not just once! You can't fool me.
 
i was expecting to see 0
 
Waffles
 
10:24 PM
i blame my extension making that the easiest way to add an image
 
That's fair.
 
somehow i'm over 500 on suggested edits, but now that queue is unbearable
seeing minor edits to "Try this" answers over and over, knowing the edits are fine but annoyed that they're editing answers i'd be downvoting
 
i mean
the real problem is the question
 
11:09 PM
 
11:28 PM
@bad_coder hi, saw your edit, but I think we should not encourage that code in image is shown at all...
 
@Vickel there's some value to editing in that case. 1º It makes things a little easier for reviewers who see the problem without having to click the link. 2º It has pedagogical value for the OP who gets to see what his question would look like if it were correctly edited.
 
well I think it only encourages lazy OP's to try and post a printscreen of code, maybe someone gives me an answer, if not I try again, using another acount
 
@Vickel that's why we hammer the screenshot-only Q's on the spot, linking to the canonical :D
@Vickel that was a closure in 5min59s...Under 6 minutes closures leave no room for ambiguity.
 
@bad_coder still I wouldn't edit images into those questions, which are obviously condemned to be closed.
 
11:44 PM
@Vickel I understand what you're saying. My argument is: the OP isn't being encouraged to post images (they get a clear comment addressing the posting of images as code) - if the OP doesn't bother to read the comment, there isn't much hope for them improving anyway.
@Vickel also, I do believe in the pedagogical value of a good edit on a doomed post. I'll link you to this gem of a post by Shog9 on the subject.
 
^ meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/285551/…, hence we shouldn't edit them into a post, IMO
 
@Vickel now...Where does it say the editor should not fix those images?
 
@bad_coder Help and Improve doesn't really exist anymore, I think, at least not as a review queue, but I 100% agree with leaving helpful comments
 
@Vickel and doing pedagogical edits at SO academy :D
 
@bad_coder check the bold part of meta.stackoverflow.com/a/285557/2275490: Images should only be used to illustrate problems that can't be made clear in any other way, such as to provide screenshots of a user interface. :) anyway I think you are doing a good job, trying to interact with those posts and to guide OP's
 
11:54 PM
@Vickel mmmm 🤔 Thinking Face....
@Vickel let me try to convey my argument with an image then...
 

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