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12:41 AM
@NathanOliver boy I sure do look different!
 
 
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4:30 AM
This is Too Broad, Too Lacking Specificity, Too Opinion-based, right? stackoverflow.com/q/5806290/2943403
 
@mickmackusa Yep, all three seem applicable "Is PHP + MySQL good for <unknown amount and type of data>? My webapp is slow but I don't know why." is the gist of it.
 
Righto.
 
5:01 AM
@mickmackusa way too broad
 
5:25 AM
Do we have a favorite link to offer when we explain that it is appropriate to downvote working answers that should not be used?
 
Isn't it common sense?
 
Don't I wish.
 
sta
I reached here after a lot of fight, chat server was down for about 30 minutes?
 
@sta I didn't notice that it was down that long, but yeah, it was down for a while.
 
@sta it went down for me for about 5 minutes or a little less
 
5:32 AM
@TylerH Noticed that as well
Thought it was my network connection
 
6:08 AM
Quick question: is there a policy on what to do when we stumble upon bad edits by users who are not new (I'm thinking in particular of this edit, which basically gives answers in the question)? Rollback or flag?
 
I would roll back and leave a comment with a ping, then check up on their activity timeline after a while
 
@Dada roll back; answers don't belong in questions
especially not answers by other users
That user can post an answer if they want their answer content to exist on that page
 
@TylerH I notice they left a comment explaining their action
and they did provide an answer of their own too
 
I've rolled it back; thanks tripleee and TylerH. (and I've left a comment)
 
6:40 AM
@tripleee this question is locked
 
@TylerH ah so that's why it wouldn't roomba. Please remove the request then
 
yeah, those pesky migration locks
 
so what's going to happen with that? will the lock be removed after some time?
 
no, the page is normally not accessible after migration. If anyone sees a link to it and clicks it from the site, it will auto-redirect them to the SU question.
However, you managed to get the link to the stub that remains on the original site, and that will, IIRC, always continue to load the original SO page/question
 
which is also weird, because it was apparently deleted on SU
 
6:53 AM
A moderator could probably delete the question stub here, but because it's a migration stub (especially one that was returned to SU after migrated here in the first place), it might cause some weird behaviour
also wow wth why did I spell behavior like a Brit just then
I guess it is the middle of the night and I've been working for like 16 hours
 
You wonder why you spelled it correctly?
 
@VLAZ that would be courrectly in British English, right?
 
@tripleee Courrect!
 
7:10 AM
@VLAZ sure, if losing a war against your own colony is correct...
 
@TylerH I'm not British, so I didn't lose that war.
 
the "you" here being royal
 
7:40 AM
 
@TylerH are you late or am I in the wrong timezone?
 
@rene you have awoken to find yourself in the state of Nebraska
jk, it's almost 4AM here
it's our monthly maintenance window at work
so all our servers and applications are getting updated/patched
 
@TylerH okay, makes sense.
 
@TylerH How long does that usually take?
 
6 to 8
that is also the MTBF
 
7:52 AM
> MTBF = Mean Time Between Failures
TIL
It's...beautiful.
 
@VLAZ the official window is 1AM to 5AM but we stay til 6 or 7 usually to make sure as stuff comes back online and starts getting used again that we haven't missed some functionality not working or anything
 
OK, I was just curious. So, I assume you have about 2-ish hours before bed.
I also just realised you're in the past. So, you do the maintenance on Thursday?
Well, before business day Friday, at any rate.
 
it's overnight Thursday - Friday, so it's technically Friday morning
 
I guess you take Friday off and then also the weekend, then.
 
and yeah normally I'd be heading to bed in about 2 hours but I have an application issue that will require a vendor technician's assistance and he gets in at 7AM so I am probably going to have to stay up until then. But once all my maintenance tasks are done I might be able to work on it a bit before 6AM and there's a slim chance I could get it working.
Oh we always get Friday off if we do the maintenance night
 
7:58 AM
Yes, I guess if you did the maintenance on Friday evening, you'd sort of "lose" a Saturday.
 
You could win a Saturday Night disco fever.
 
nty
 
8:19 AM
Is this an answer?
 
@JeanneDark I don't think so. But it does say "it is necessary to declare ENV of postgres db on Dockerfile also." which...to be honest, I'm not really sure how to understand. Whether it's something the poster needs to do or is it a suggestion to the question asker.
 
@VLAZ Yes, that's what I'm unsure about. It could also be something the answerer doesn't know how to do.
 
Yes, when I said "the poster", I meant the poster of the answer. I wasn't clear there.
I agree with you, it's not very clear.
 
I'd say it isn't an answer. I assume they are asking a question, albeit without proper grammar and punctuation
 
sta
@Dharman this is what I got
 
8:27 AM
thanks
 
@blackgreen "Can you please edit your answer to include proper grammar and punctuation, so we can decide whether to delete it or not?"
 
terse, but honest
 
@sta Yeah, it's the GTA server thingy. I guess it really is a product. Not quite sure if it's on-topic. I checked a few questions and it seemed they were related more to LUA programming or just databases.
 
8:58 AM
 
9:22 AM
 
@rene in a world of race conditions, you beat me by less than 1 second
that was a very confusing moment for me
 
\o/
 
Talking about race conditions ...
 
I love the fact that even though it's now called MRE, everyone still calls it MCVE
 
Well MRE is somewhat dumb because it means a military field meal already
and luckily they kept the MCVE magic link too
 
9:25 AM
@U12-Forward You mean "Min-reprex", don't you? ;)
 
It's been called lots of things ...
 
@TylerH Haha, yeah I think MCVE is much better
@JeanneDark Yeap haha
@AdrianMole Yeah
 
@TylerH Are those meals not a minimal, complete, verifiable example of food?
@quamrana This question remains quite unclear to me. Why is "working" supposed to be interspersed with the values? Is all that supposed to be assigned to m somehow?
 
You can see from the code posted that it prints "working" at each iteration and accesses the "dict" (sic), so it will be easy to alter the code slightly to interleave the two.
 
Sure, but the title says this is supposed to be in m, so it's unclear what format that's supposed to be in. There's also an end() that's unexplained, though that's not bold, so maybe that's not part of the output?
 
9:34 AM
@RyanM I'm hoping that an answer will generate further input from the OP. Clearly they so new to programming that they are unable to express their requirements.
 
Also "here's some output and some code, tweak the code until it matches" isn't really a very useful question
Oh, the OP has also edited the question to invalidate the existing answer, that's bad, too.
But even ignoring that, the point of closing a question is so that it can't be answered until it's clarified what the OP actually wants, so that the answers can be answering the right problem. If more input is needed, it's not ready to reopen.
 
@RyanM You are correct on all points. However, my interaction with the OP will be very limited unless I can post an answer.
 
Frankly, the question should probably be rolled back to revision 3, because that's the last one that didn't change the question after it was answered.
But I'm headed to bed and don't want to jump into the middle of that
 
"We are having the same issue. I'm not able to comment because of Stack Overflow rules"
 
@JeanneDark Haha!
 
9:47 AM
@sta I see, so probably not related to PHP or MySQL
 
10:06 AM
@JeanneDark Why you post such message regularly? We faced almost same comment / answer via Natty report .
If I post so many post like that
That's not raise any new topic about moderation OR any thing related to post moderation.
 
10:32 AM
@Shree we can have a bit of fun, no?
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I like fun.
 
I thought fun was forbidden.
 
11:23 AM
The bold parts of this post seem rude, to me. Should they be edited out, or does the post deserve a red flag?
 
@AdrianMole I think removing them is better. It's rude-ish but might be a language barrier not malicious intent.
Assume good faith and all that.
 
Me faith good assume.
Content remaining then OK looks.
 
11:36 AM
This is off-topic, isn't it? Customer support?
 
@JeanneDark yes, off-topic and is indeed customer support
 
thanks
 
12:00 PM
Morning
 
12:11 PM
@rene yep but so much fun gives so much annoyed . If RO fine, nothing to say .
 
 
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Some one marked this answer as "Looks OK" in the LQP queue. Am I missing something?
 
@Tomerikoo Maybe del-pls request in here. From the question: "Basically, I'm looking for a tutorial that assumes I know absolutely nothing about package code and will hold my hand through whole process from writing the README and setup to telling me what directories there should be and what should be in them."
 
Oh good catch @JeanneDark I admit I didn't even check the question... Thanks
 
With the answer gone, the question will Roomba (downvoted, unanswered)
 
1:42 PM
Is an answer that has an image of code in it flaggable as NAA?
A-a-and, @Tomerikoo found the post I was talking about just now. :P
 
@VLAZ Found it in the LQP so maybe it was flagged already. I was exactly contemplating myself if to vote for deletion or skip...
 
I was looking at posts with del-votes and found it.
But I cannot del-vote it, since I don't have 20k rep. So I was wondering whether to flag it.
 
In this situations I usually leave the comment and follow in hopes the OP will see it and edit with the code
 
@Tomerikoo Don't forget to add a downvote, for good measure.
 
2:27 PM
> Stack Overflow is currently offline for maintenance
Was this announced? I don't recall but maybe I missed it.
 
IIRC I saw an announcement, but not for today...?
 
Blog says that the lat one was the 24th of July.
I guess, it has come to this, then. I have to go and get myself a pizza. SO cannot distract me any more.
 
@VLAZ I think they changed to use that as the default for any problem
 
OK, it's up now.
But I'm still going for pizza.
 
2:41 PM
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5:19 PM
Did you get any solution to this? I am also getting exactly same error
 
@sta "Yes, the solution actually is [pay $5 to unlock Stack Overflow Gold membership and read the rest of this]"
 
@VLAZ Wait, I can just pay $5? Here I was trying to get a thousand upvotes...
 
7:52 PM
^ Is this Rude/Abusive or just NAA?
 
@KevinM.Mansour I used NAA
 
@NathanOliver OK.
 
They aren't using derogatory words against users, so it gets more leeway IMHO.
 
Yeah, it's just a single swear word for emphasis in an otherwise inoffensive (non-)answer. Would need editing if it weren't otherwise NAA, but wouldn't need red-flag penalties.
Charcoal refers to such things as "repairable" offensive posts
 
 
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9:34 PM
Actually, this request is likely a too common Java duplicate of "how do I compare Strings?"
 
What is this? NAA?
 
@KevinM.Mansour Maybe. Probably. But an NAA flag may get declined. Downvote and (either) move on (and) delete vote.
 
@KevinM.Mansour yup. Or a duplicate answer since if you strip the "thanks, man", only a duplicate of another answer is left
 
@AdrianMole OK.
@OlegValter OK. Thank you. :)
 
9:46 PM
that said, it is a post by a new user - FPQ will likely deal with it
 
Never forget one of Shog9's best ever (IMHO) messages: The downvote is your greatest weapon!
 
If will get -1, so downvote is the weapon that I will never use. ;)
 
If it's already on -1, then others can vote to delete it. If it's not, then put in your downvote.
... reputation lost on curating the site is real reputation gained.
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besides, -1 on answers is refunded as soon as they are deleted - if that also removed a history record, that would be an ideal situation
 
... I'm actually quite 'shy' about downvoting (and also rejecting edits from those who have the downvote privilege) ... but I'm a bad example (and trying to improve).
... Vanity! Hrmph.
 
9:53 PM
not casting downvotes because it costs rep plays right into the hands of "downvotes are evil"
it's not a protest
 
If I see any answer that is bad (Deserve a downvote), so I just skip it, because I don't want to lose -1. I don't have reputation to lose anyway. I would keep this job for guys who have 1 million reputation points. :)
 
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@KevinM.Mansour 🚽
 
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@KevinM.Mansour Which is more important to you? Your Unicorn-Point Score, or the quality of the site?
 
@AdrianMole Unicorn-Point Score. ;)
 
9:58 PM
@AdrianMole But more unicorn points help me curate the site more effectively!
 
^^ I agree.
 
I like Unicorn points.
 
@AdrianMole Everyone does. :)
 
... but I also like (sometimes brutal) curation.
If I downvoted every bad answer in (say) the Late Answers review queue, I'd run out of votes to use on good posts. I can easily make up 40 rep points a day (on average), but that's not what I'm about.
 
@AdrianMole I like moderation where I don't lose Unicorn-Point Scores. I have 1,539. If I have downvoted 1,415 answer, so I will be 124 and even I won't be able to downvote, so never.
 
10:05 PM
You have over 1,500 points, so you know how to earn more. Think of your points as a gift rather than a privilege.
... don't join the "race to the next level."
(Easy for me to say, I know!)
 
@AdrianMole Yeah, that's boring
 
@AdrianMole Creating answers is hard and editing is useless and I wait hours and until a single edit get approved and even sometimes luck smile for me and the OP reject it themselves, so gaining reputation is hard.
 
@KevinM.Mansour Learn some SQL!
 
@AdrianMole Or R
Or C#
Or Pandas
 
Whatever. There are tags that are well curated and some that aren't. Until the "Company" gets involved in curation, there's precious little we mortals can do.
 
10:11 PM
@AdrianMole Pretty cool, so I have to challenge Gordon Linoff? No, thanks.
 
Well, without mentioning specific users - maybe removing the +15 for accepted answers on closed questions would be a start?
 
@AdrianMole nah, just not giving them in the first place would be a good start
 
... or including that +15 in the daily rep cap?
 
half-measures :)
 
@OlegValter Indeed. But what else can we do?
 
10:14 PM
@AdrianMole Sorry, I don't understand?
 
@KevinM.Mansour Some of the very high rep users get their rep from posting 20+ answers per day. They end up averaging +400 (or so) per day...
 
@AdrianMole my take on it is to remove the +15 bonus in its entirety. It incentivizes what we supposedly not condone - helping an asker instead of countless programmers that follow. But something tells me what we think the site is about is not what the company thinks it is about, so it is not happening, clear as day
 
... personally, it's hard for me to find more than about 5 questions per day that actually deserve an answer. Even when I go into "obsessive mode!"
 
@AdrianMole And when I will have time to start posting 20+ answers everyday? 20 answer is a very high amount, A robot?
Hope I get +400 one day. I would die from happiness.
 
@OlegValter The Company wants to be a challenge to the like of Reddit and Quora.
 
10:18 PM
Some question get closed before even I see them and good questions get 4 answers in almost 5 minutes, so ..
 
@AdrianMole huh, true that. That is also why I think no initiative like "remove the acceptance bonus" is going to fly with them :(
 
Meh. Just send Jeff Atwood a cheque for ~20 bn Dollars and get him to buy back the Company! xD
 
@KevinM.Mansour find a niche. There is always one. Be picky about what you answer - and that's the trick. It landed me 266 answers at a extremely leisurely pace.
 
@AdrianMole If anyone have 20 billion dollars, so they won't be here. ;)
@OlegValter OK.
 
@AdrianMole not sure $20B is enough to get someone to clean up all the mess made over the years :)
 
10:26 PM
We could have an auction. @JeffAtwood - $2. Opening bid!
... if I get a reply to that ping, I'll buy the whole of the Western Hemisphere drinks!
 
@AdrianMole done! now let's wait for the ledger :)
 
Nah! Nice try but it doesn't work like that. xD
 
@AdrianMole you did not specify whose reply should it be, so... :) anyways, $5! A month. If we get to go wild on curation
 
Pfft.
 

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