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5:59 AM
@sideshowbarker did you flag that language? the edit summary is also offensive.
definitely flag-worthy IMHO, that's not acceptable
 
6:22 AM
@RyanM I flagged it
dang it, literally within seconds of sending the flag, they did something else abusive...
 
@SamuelLiew I like your review helper script. Based on this script, it would be nice if you wrote a user script for trusted users to downvote and review as Delete an answer with a score of 1 in the Low Quality Posts queue.
 
6:43 AM
the del-pls generator doesn't want to allow me to request the deletion of stackoverflow.com/questions/67557274/… because I answered it; but that is allowed by room policy, isn't it?
 
For context, 20k+ users can't vote to delete answers from the Low Quality Posts queue if they're positively scored, and are stuck with recommending deletion instead. Sometimes, a non-answer gets an upvote, and such users can't vote to delete them. A workaround is to go to the answer link, downvote it, then go back to the review task and cast the vote. It would be nice if this were automated.
 
@JeanneDark actually probably don't migrate it as it will only be closed there anyway
 
@JeanneDark It's a spam seed; the author posted a spam answer
 
I think they are trying to argue that there should be some sort of micropayment mechanism for posting answers
 
@tripleee A mod once told me that even if the question will be closed on MSO, it was customary to migrate it anyway and then close there.
 
6:47 AM
really? sounds like it would just prolong the pain
but okay
 
Yeah, there isn't much of an issue with doing so anymore, since migrations from main sites to corresponding meta sites are no longer marked rejected if they're closed
 
@gparyani Thanks! It looked fishy to me but I wasn't sure.
 
But in this case, this is a spam seed, and thus should be deleted outright.
 
still it doubles the burden on the community
@gparyani still not at all convinced
 
@tripleee I'm not saying it's the best approach, but since I got that message I'm following their advice.
 
6:49 AM
mm yeah being able to close as duplicate is a factor
 
@tripleee I feel that the self-answer is trying to promote the link.
 
still painful to watch it go back to 0 score and start accruing downvotes anew
@gparyani it's hard to imagine that the spammer would have a stake in this; it's the attention currency used by the Brave browser, isn't it?
 
@gparyani yeah, +1 not a spam seed, just a poorly thought-out post. I really doubt they're affiliated.
...and as I say that, the answer gets deleted as spam o_O
 
Is this spam?
 
@JeanneDark very much so
 
7:03 AM
Thanks
 
@tripleee I don't think we excluded the involvement rule for del-pls requests. The 6 month rule is the only one that isn't applicable to del-pls requests.
Unless you read something different in socvr.org/faq#GEfM-no-requests-youre-involved that I overlooked for the upteenth time.
 
@rene thanks for clarifying; probably my misunderstanding
 
7:30 AM
feel free to toss that request if you feel that's not a good enough reason to request something outside of 6 months
@Espresso is that a typo or a misunderstanding?
 
@RyanM typo, misunderstanding too. The question resolved at comment, otherwise it would be duplicate
 
what's it a duplicate of? We should close it as that.
It's not really a typo if the user didn't understand that they were supposed to do something
Thanks, voted for that
 
7:48 AM
@Espresso No oneboxing please
 
mck
8:20 AM
Is it worth a mod flag if someone keeps posting many short comment-like answers?
 
@mck Just explain in the flag that this is a repeated offence maybe?
 
mck
The thing is, those answers are somewhat valid, just that they're too short and I personally feel they're better suited for comments. Not sure if that's a strong enough argument to warrant a flag
 
8:43 AM
@mck it is not against the rules. There is one case where the comments where actually wrong in many cases: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/392514/…
 
9:04 AM
@RyanM Suggested edits are not to improve OP's buggy code. Comment or counter answer is welcome but cod fix .......... Rejected. Sorry.
 
It's not a bug, so much as a clear "typo." Though I have full edit rights, so...it's fixed now.
 
@RyanM You could have just improved the edit instead of requesting in here, eg. remove "Hope this helps others looking for this :-)".
 
@JeanneDark that's true...good point. In retrospect, I should have done that. And I've now removed that line, too :-)
Is this question on-topic? On the one hand, it's pretty clearly asking for an official source. On the other hand, the answers are...very much not official-looking, which suggests that maybe an official source doesn't exist.
though...perhaps the edit to the question is the official source? I dunno.
 
 
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11:00 AM
@Tomerikoo yeah. r/a is fine here
 
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11:59 AM
Morning
 
@Makyen Not sure if you're aware, but Stack is making some changes that may effect your fine work.
 
@Scratte August 2020. I assume that PR takes another 6 to 8 weeks before it is merged. Then it still is in the develop branch adding another 6 to 8 weeks before it gets to prod (assuming we don't test)
@DalijaPrasnikar that only became GC after the edit from the OP .... shouldn't we rollback and then reach the same conclusion (aka a del-pls is warranted) ?
 
12:16 PM
Yes, that is a good point. Maybe nothing will break for the next 6 decades :)
I only thought of bringing it here since I've seen how people go into utter panic when Makyen's scripts aren't working as expected.
 
@rene I rolled it back. It was so obviously off topic, I haven't looked at anything else
 
@Vega 2x3 = 6, 23x2 = 46.. looking very beautiful today :)
 
@Scratte yeah, that is fair and thoughtful. Thanks for that.
 
Thank you :) To add some more beauty: 78 is the reverse of 87
 
@Vega Yes! I missed that at first :) And.. it almost works that 78 + 19 = 87.. only off by 10 ;)
 
12:21 PM
Hahaha, very not modest of me
@Scratte Wow, you are calculus champion :)
 
I know.. it's because I don't just use my fingers, I also use my toes ;)
 
Just failed Reopen Queue review on this question... sound pretty off topic to me? Download OpenJDK Java 11.0.11+9 from Oracle without using a third-party vendor
 
@DalijaPrasnikar My guess is that somehow it became an audit because of a "No action needed" from the First Posts review...
 
#RO Can you please trash my last CV-PLS please? chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/52231205#52231205
 
12:29 PM
Thanks :)
 
@DalijaPrasnikar (Very) off-topic in my comprehension
 
@DalijaPrasnikar JDK is a tool used by developers, right? Where can I find the correct version is a legit case for asking on SO. Not thrilled by these type of question but still on-topic I think.
 
@rene Tool used by developers, yes... but locating resources is off topic, at least that was so last time I checked. I am not sure whether phrasing around CV reason has changed in order to allow such questions or it is just a side effect.
If question asks about some particular programming issue that is beyond "where can I find right version", and the answer is you need "this or that and you can find it there" then I would consider it on topic.
 
@DalijaPrasnikar fair enough, yes and agree
 
How do you like tag? Just stumbled upon it.
 
12:38 PM
I also want my own tag
 
@rene Almost:
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lol
Can we burn Paul Graham?
 
This room is not about users ....
I think our rules forbid harming real people, but I'll check ...
 
Someone had a function named function() in their question. I immediately started singing "function function(), what's your function?"
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Too much Meta
 
12:52 PM
@VadimKotov Out of the 4 oldest questions, 3 should be deleted (already voted) and the last one should be closed (can be left due to high visibility). The rest seem fine but completely doesn't require the tag...
 
"&&, ! and || can take you pretty far..." (although NAND and NOR are universal).
 
@Tomerikoo The oldest question's accepted answer is literally "Paul Graham's wife had a baby"...
 
What's the odds that a custom flag on personal voting on only two posts, is going to get declined?
 
1:14 PM
@Scratte I don't think flags like that get declined. That would start sending a bad message IMHO. Should be okay in my book.
 
@NathanOliver Any experience raising them? :)
 
Not sure. I think I've done it before but not sure. Let me check my flags and get back to you
 
@NathanOliver Naah.. no need to do that :) I'm sure the list is too long :)
 
It's only 77 pages long.
I was kind of hoping SO would let us search our flags. Look like it does not :(
 
@NathanOliver Nope. I doesn't. You can only get a subsets that are declined/helpful/...
There's no only getting "Not an Answer" or "Custom flags"
 
1:20 PM
Too bad all that dev time got dumped into bad fonts instead of useful features :(
 
@Scratte Are you saying you got two downvotes and that's why you're flagging?
 
@Machavity I didn't flag.. and no, the direction is not correct. But it's certainly personal votes. 12:30:53 and 12:31:12 UTC seems very.. non-coincidental.
 
@NathanOliver Fun fact: the tools for finding flags you've handled as a mod is even worse. And there's no easy way for you to see outstanding escalations or mod messages
@Scratte The catch on those is we can't do much about them. Both mod and CM tools look for patterns. Unless that person has a broader pattern of voting, it's unlikely to have anything done about it
 
@Machavity But, would you decline such a flag?
 
@Machavity I expect such a user to have fine tuned their voting to be un-catchable.
 
1:25 PM
@NathanOliver No. I tend to mark them helpful and leave a short message saying we can't do anything, but to flag if it happens again
 
^^^ that :p
 
Cool. That was what I was mostly trying to confirm.
 
So it if happens once a week then there may be something that can be done?
 
@Scratte Yes. The tooling isn't really concerned with the small potato voting, but we'll absolutely nail you if you keep it up
 
OK. I'll certainly watch for it.. it's ruining my chances of becoming a hero.
 
1:28 PM
Recently suspended two users who had been silently trading votes for months. That got over 1100 votes between the two of them invalidated
 
So, creating a sock and getting 125 reputation points on it.. so I can go and invalidate other users votes on my posts, is not a good option? :P
 
Morning... feels like a Monday; got coffee on my way to work and it spilled over my console bc the cup was a bit malformed at the lip :-/
@Scratte It is a good option if you want to test the moderators detection capabilities :-)
 
@TylerH I may get suspended, but.. if they catch the other voter, then maybe it's worth it :)
 
@TylerH I know your pain. Was it perhaps black so it least you didn't get everything sticky?
 
1:31 PM
@NathanOliver I guess I was being liberal when I called it coffee...
white chocolate mocha
 
LOL. The worst ;)
But they are really tasty. Starbucks?
 
yeah
 
Oh Yeah
 
there's one right on the way to work and there was no line
which is very rare
 
koolaid man breaks in
 
1:33 PM
luckily I have a habit of carrying lots of napkins in my car so I pulled into a nearby spot and used them all up trying to soak/wipe up the spilled milk, as it were
 
Koolaid man was arrested for destruction of property and vandalism. The Starbucks manager was unsure if they'd ever get the red food dye out of the wall...
 
@Machavity time to rebrand from green to red...
 
1:53 PM
hmm, I feel like and should be synonymized
 
2:08 PM
sorry @yivi that you got caught by my font trolling. I didn't anticipate you wouldn't recognize my sarcasm.
 
@Scratte OK. Thanks for mentioning it. We'll see when/if they merge it. It will be yet another consequence of SE misusing CSS.
 
@VLAZ Just close the question
 
2:26 PM
 
@rene Shame on me. I thought the blurriness might be two-way, and caused you miss some details.
 
Is this on topic? If not, what close reason would you use?
 
@MrUpsidown the core question is why can anyone use the api key.
 
@TylerH thoughts, @NathanOliver?
 
@MrUpsidown Looks like customer service. We can't tell you why an API takes a specific key like that
 
2:32 PM
@Braiam, sort of, I suppose, yes. Or why am I able to use airbnb API key on my localhost?.
 
@TylerH I'm leaning towards keeping them separate. It's common in a C++ library that exposes a C interface to have destroy functions since C doesn't have destructors. Destroying something is an action, a destructor is just one method of doing so.
 
@Machavity well... if you know how Google deals with their API keys, you can explain it (which is what I did in the comments...) I'd say I am confident with what I commented. But whether or not it can be answered doesn't make it on-topic, or does it?
 
@yivi Ha! I accept that as a reason I have no problem with the fonts ;)
 
Ok I see you took it down now... so that should be my answer
 
@MrUpsidown The thing is that airbnb is not special. It's google map api and whenever or not they are considered private/restricted
 
2:36 PM
@Braiam of course, whether it's airbnb or my own key makes no difference
 
2:50 PM
@NathanOliver Hmm, fair enough
 
@TylerH There's also other use cases for destroy that don't overlap with destructors
 
3:35 PM
This question is off-topic, isn't it? (deleted NATO)
 
Yeah seems like it's general computing to me
 
Thanks
 
the talk about facebook API is just a distraction and unrelated
 
Not very useful either (3k views in 8 years). Gone
 
3:44 PM
@Espresso Is this a possible duplicate?
 
4:03 PM
@Tomerikoo seems like
 
4:35 PM
 
5:05 PM
@Jonas If you're asking for people in here to evaluate the question for voting to close, then please include [tag:cv-pls] in your chat message to indicate that it's such a request. Please see: How and why do I need to format my cv-pls (and other requests)? in SOCVR's FAQ.
I've added that tag to your message. If you would prefer, I'll revert that to your original text.
 
5:42 PM
Hmmm - not missed. I just took out the really rude stuff. "idiot" (while unkind) is not really profane.
 
The user edited it out themselves
 
More fool them! ;)
 
6:16 PM
Just had the idea, NLN comment flags should show if the user has a gold badge in one of the question tags when mods look at the flag
might make it easier for them to discern how to handle the flag as non-SMEs
 
@TylerH Ahhh... maybe. OTOH, a lot of SME's tend to not really think about what information may still be needed by those who are not experts. In addition, some tend to push their own opinion/agenda, which sometimes comes out as flags (of all types).
 
@Makyen True, I thought about that as a danger of leaning more heavily on SMEs
Would hope it still helps to know that info more than it hurts, though
 
6:36 PM
@TylerH SME are able to do sensible review of contents, so I see that as a desired result, not a undesired one
 
 
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8:42 PM
ooh, just got an email from MSFT saying IE11 will be retired on June 15th next year. Finally.
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@TylerH I just got an email that the Dutch government bought a 5 year extended warranty on IE11 from my tax-money .... at least that is what they did when IE10 went EOL ....
 
LTSC branches are not affected
so I assume they'll be using those
or server installs
the email is only for desktop Win10 installs on normal update/lifecycles
 
Trust me, they do all kind of stupid things
 
The announcement is MC257152 if you wanna search for it
 
@TylerH interesting: usdot411.com/34759
 
9:58 PM
@rene not as interesting as this one minecraft-mp.com/server-s257152
 
 
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