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1:53 AM
Unless I'm very much deceived, SmokeDetector just gave a false positive.
 
3:00 AM
@cigien @Machavity Could you bin this please? It was acted upon, but now an MCVE has been added, and it can be reopened.
 
Thanks. I think it should have gone to the graveyard since it was acted upon, but no big deal.
 
 
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5:52 AM
@Joshua it's not altogether uncommon, though the majority of them are not reported here; but for the record, can you recollect which one?
based on time stamps I would guess m.erwaysoftware.com/posts/uid/stackoverflow/66095060
 
@Joshua there's another one (oops, gone already: m.erwaysoftware.com/posts/uid/stackoverflow/66096545)
 
6:17 AM
I like the way they're using rhyming usernames (Ditto and Ritto) to spam with :)
 
6:30 AM
Is this vandalism? stackoverflow.com/q/66096603/11573842 The edit was before the answer was posted...
 
@Yatin I roll back before see your post. I think yes. Details give value to the question.
 
Ok :)
 
7:03 AM
Can I make a del-pls request for this now or should I wait until it's moved to the graveyard?
 
@oguzismail you could, if it hadn't already been deleted :)
 
@oguzismail It's already deleted. Why would you want to post a del-pls?
 
as long as it can be voted to delete..
@Makyen one vote was needed. Someone must have voted now
 
@Makyen It wasn't deleted when I posted that message
 
@oguzismail np. My prior message should have included a :).
 
7:20 AM
are you being funny?
 
7:39 AM
@tink not really general computing, but I submitted the final closing vote as "needs more details" and left a comment -- Perforce is a version control tool, so topically this should be fine for Stack Overflow
 
@tripleee not what I took from the blurb, but cheers =}
 
8:21 AM
@karel seems very much to ask specifically about how to do that programmatically
 
 
 
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10:04 AM
 
10:39 AM
May I ask why this request went to the graveyard without being processed? Do they automactically end up there after a certain amount of time?
 
@MrUpsidown Not sure, but it likely has to do with the CVs being invalidated via review.
 
@MrUpsidown yeah, after a few days, not sure about the exact time window
 
oh... I got confused by the 9:36 AM timestamp... thought it was from today but it's not!
 
If I find a comment where a person has mispled a word into something offensive can I flag it for moderator attention for editing?
 
Am I allowed to re-post the CV-PLS in that case?
 
10:47 AM
@MrUpsidown under rule 16: socvr.org/faq#GEfM-no-boom-or-bump we allow that once.
 
@Yatin Not worth it, I'd say. IIRC moderators are not very fond of editing comments.
 
Ok 👍
 
Zoe
@Yatin I'd argue it depends on the severity. Asking a mod to fix shit when it's meant to be shift is arguably a waste of mod time and effort
 
@rene what about this part of rule 16? While we don't actively track all requests looking for duplicates, it's not permitted to post more than one request for the same action on the same post, except: After your initial request has been moved out of the room as "expired" (i.e. the requested action was never completed), you may repost the request a single time.
 
I think your request falls under the except part?
That was the part that made me say that you're allowed to re-post that cv-pls once
 
10:51 AM
I am just not sure what "epired" really means here but if I understand correctly I should be able to request a CV a second time.
 
Yes, expired here means: expired in our transcript
 
oh I got it... you meant "we allow REPOST once", right?
 
yes
 
ok thanks then
 
@rene I was wondering about that too: perhaps the wording in the FAQ could be tweaked to make this clearer?
 
@tripleee so ... what word or wording would achieve that?
 
Zoe
@Yatin yeah, not that severe. I'd recommend leaving it
 
Ok :)
 
@Tomerikoo exact duplicate of what? I see no duplicate close vote.
 
@rene not entirely sure what would make the most sense; the first mention of "expired" is in the section about reposting your cv-pls and doesn't seem like a good place to clarify it; but the section about invitations to the Graveyard seems even less relevant ... maybe a new bullet point should be added to explain the process?
 
11:16 AM
@tripleee That seems like the faq needs a section of definitions, or be broken into less denser answers
 
the text didn't seem to be hosted on GitHub, or I'd perhaps take the time to submit a PR
 
@mickmackusa This had no recent activity. I voted to close, but this room prefers recent questions.
 
Oh, sorry, that was unintentional. Please withdraw my request.
 
oh my bad, I only looked in the wrong places
 
11:20 AM
thanks @rene
 
@tripleee yeah, we have a couple of repo's. I'm often confused by them myself.
 
@Dharman I am fishing around for a good closure for stackoverflow.com/q/66098280/2943403
...this one isn't quite as complete as I'd like it to be (to close with). stackoverflow.com/q/5567720/2943403
 
@mickmackusa Error reporting is the problem. I just closed it. Now we can delete it
 
11:33 AM
@MrUpsidown Thanks! Posted the wrong link!
 
12:02 PM
@tripleee that is merged, thanks
 
12:23 PM
today's secret challenge... "How many posts can you (fully) edit that include the spelling mistake of witch instead of which?" (your time starts now)
 
@mickmackusa Have a pick stackoverflow.com/search?q=witch...
 
@Tomerikoo yeah I know... that's what I did to find them.
 
@mickmackusa Am I allowed to use bots? There is a quota limit of 10000/day. I don't have the time to do it all by hand
 
@Dharman Must be "full edits" -- improve title, improve question body, and improve tags where appropriate. No lame edits.
no playing silly games with my silly games.
 
I'll pass. I am supposed to be working.
 
12:29 PM
edit description should include the phrase "fixed witch".
 
We found a witch, what should we do with her?
 
@Dharman I have a feeling that day's challenge might take more than a day.
 
jarringly the top hit for me is a post of my own in a private Teams ... actually about a witch
(or to be completely honest about spam for witch doctors)
 
@tripleee ha
 
12:31 PM
What do "witch doctors" have to do with canned processed meat?
 
@oguzismail I can't wait to hear!
 
if you really have to know, there is an operation which persistently promotes love drugs, evil spells etc by spamming web sites, including Stack Exchange (though I believe not actually Stack Overflow); we conveniently have a tag for them in metasmoke metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/domains/tags/92?what=posts
actually about a dozen of those seem to be on SO
there's another for attracting people to join the Illuminati, and another for people who want to become vampires, and a number of other weird but (not so) wonderful proofs that spammers are not only evil but also sometimes very crazy
come join us in Charcoal if you would like to explore this in more detail ... call +234 456 8900 now!
 
Hey, where did you get my Nigerian uncle's phone number?
 
@tripleee can I bring my credit cards?!?
 
Is this question opinion-based and more appropriate on codereview.stackexchange.com ?
 
12:44 PM
@tripleee Oh yeah, bibi somethin
 
deadlink: stackoverflow.com/a/25257760/2943403 kill the answer?
@Dharman I thought you had to work
 
yeah...
 
1:08 PM
Morning
 
1:37 PM
@ekad There is also this stackoverflow.com/questions/1148143/…, but Brad have an answer on it.. not sure if he likes to maintain it or not?
 
@PetterFriberg It can't be deleted. It's a dupe target for some questions
 
I left a comment to Brad, he can do whatever
 
@tripleee don't know if you saw, the header for the FAQ section you added has some characters missing
 
1:53 PM
@gunr2171 oh oops, thanks for notifying me
rather one too many
 
@PetterFriberg We'll just make that go away. It's super old and way off-topic
 
@tripleee all all those changes yours, or just an out of date branch?
 
@gunr2171 ouch, too distracted, let me try again
gnarl, looks like it was merged before I got to sort it out (-:
 
meh
 
I clicked buttons
we have new lines ... also nice
 
2:06 PM
Did you return the carriage?
 
ok, new pr which takes care of all those extra changes, but still keeps the actual change
 
@Machavity oki yeah if not maintain it's better that way, if maintain it could have stayed to avoid other similar questions...
 
@gunr2171 thanks for clicking the right buttons
 
well, actually, I don't think I ever clicked the right button
it was the left button a bunch
sometimes wheel click
 
Fancy
 
2:17 PM
: )
 
get a touch screen and you can fat finger all over the screen
 
aRe YoU cAlInG mE fAt ?!?!?!
 
I think touch screens are not Covid proof ...
 
too many meetings I guess..
 
@PetterFriberg I left (and locked) this one
 
2:21 PM
> i need to know how to solve this question but please do not answer
wat
 
great Mac!
 
@JeanneDark Why is that R/A?
 
@Machavity Abuse: Test question
 
1 rep user, cat on keyboard... that can go anyway...
 
@JeanneDark I wouldn't red flag that. If I saw it in the console, I'd decline because the post itself isn't rude. Mod flag, tho
 
2:23 PM
It's abusive
 
Looks like they're trying to "bank" a question for when they're question banned
 
That is what leads to question ban
 
I could see why someone might consider that abuse of the system.
 
That's still system abuse, isn't it?
 
The answer also doesn't put the question in a good light
 
2:25 PM
To clarify, the question isn't if it breaks the rules (it does) but how a moderator would see it. Remember, we get lots of flags from folks who want it used as a super-downvote.
 
@Machavity Ok, I saw earlier that such questions were also considered abuse. Eg. this discussion.
 
Actually, that is super-delete
 
The key here is that the downvotes (and likely delete votes that would have followed) lead to a question ban, which is a far worse problem to deal with
 
And I remember an earlier case where also someone submitted a "test" question and it was nuked via red flags
 
@JeanneDark If someone posts nothing but "test" then red flag that for sure. But the way that one reads, it looks like a confused new user
Either way, it's gone
 
2:28 PM
Some might argue that such content should be removed as quickly from the site as possible.
@Machavity Maybe I find the earlier discussion but I'm sure we had such a case before with someone posting a question that shouldn't be answered but that they wanted to use to store information for themselves.
 
@Machavity Btw., thank you for giving me time to retract my flag!
 
@Dharman nope
 
@Dharman doesn't look like it to me
 
They say they found an answer elsewhere
 
2:35 PM
It has not copied answer from other question, just referring to it as idea.
 
It should probably be closed as a dupe though
 
@JeanneDark Ah. I was going to delete anyways. No point in a decline. You're not wrong in your usage, I'm just saying it might not be sustained by another mod in any other context
 
Thanks for clarifying!
 
@Dharman Yes, but then they detail what they did and even posted the "completed" code. If that's not an answer I don't know what is.
 
@Dharman I would say yes. It simply links to another answer. Should just be closed as a duplicate
 
2:37 PM
it does not simply link, it show the code how he did it, it would be a valid answer also on the dupe
Now I would agree that it should be closed as dupe and the answer of the xml should have been on that question... but that's not a valid reason for flagging this answer as NAA
 
Makes sense
 
it there was only the link or the whole answer was a copy then it's NAA or Plag.
 
2:57 PM
Meta active tab down?
 
@Braiam works fine for me
 
@Braiam meta died. All users migrated to Twitter.
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3:15 PM
 
NVM caching
 
nvm might cache stuff indeed.
Could be an opportunity to update node.
 
4:18 PM
@tripleee: Ah; it was the immediately preceeding message before somebody swept them all to graveyard. Something about a python question that didn't have any code in it but a sample to be parsed that was really $ and _ heavy. Not a great question, but not a garbage question either. It legit was mostly punctuation because of all the _ where you would normally expect a space.
 
Zoe
@E_net4thecurator But only the essentials, of course. I mean, it's not like nvm would ever cache anything useless :p
 
4:57 PM
 
5:18 PM
 
Hi Mohamed
 
/o
 
5:39 PM
o/
 
@klutt Why does it need to be deleted though?
 
@cigien What's the point of it not getting deleted when it's closed and it never will be fixed?
 
Roomba will eat that one. Any need for urgency in removal?
 
@AdrianMole Ah, I thought Roomba only ate with negative score
My bad in that case
I never remember the roomba rules :)
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null: invalid request. Please see FAQ #11 for the requirements for del-pls requests.
 
5:45 PM
@klutt That may be. It's still preferable to include the reason you think it should be deleted in the Request. Also, I'm not sure that's a reason.
 
Okidok, sorry
 
@klutt I can never remember them either, that's why I let Makyen remember for me
 
:)
 
@Dharman Why do you think it should be closed?
 
6:01 PM
It doesn't look like a good canonical. The problem is so basic that you should be able to easily search for it on the internet.
 
Why must a question be any sort of canonical?
 
What good is it to us if we can't search for it?
Cigien gave me that idea thanks
 
@Dharman Both of those are valid points. But we don't close questions because they wouldn't be a good canonical (most questions aren't). It being basic is not a reason to close either. You might consider downvoting it.
@Dharman It being a duplicate is a valid reason to close. Also, you can do it unilaterally, which is nice. I'm not sure what idea I gave you, but you're welcome :)
 
I'm no good at php, but to me that question seem a bit unclear
 
I'm no good at questions, but, to me, PHP seems a bit unclear. :)
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6:06 PM
Unclear and no MCVE would be valid as well, but a duplicate is better IMO
 
I'm definitely not a PHP SME, but it seems fairly clear to me (also indicated by how easily you found the target once you looked). No MCVE would definitely be wrong though; it's a "how-to" question, not a debugging question.
 
7:08 PM
In a series comments that save the world: "// $conn: connection object ex: $conn"
 
@Dharman Lessons in code commenting, volume 1
 
dbc
@SurajRao I think that's actually recruiter spam.
 
@Dharman just to point out, cigien's point is a good one: questions don't have to be canonical quality to avoid closure. If you think a question is not particularly searchable, and that's its only crime, then there's no real issue, though you could make an edit to improve that aspect.
 
Yeah, but making any edit to that question would make it an exact duplicate of that other question, which is why I decided to hammer it.
 
Sounds like it was a duplicate already, then :-)
 
> Add event tracking to record details around review task loading (including how often users run filters, something that we had not been tracking in an easily reportable way)
Wohoo!
That thing required a blood sacrifice of virgins.
 
7:51 PM
@WiktorStribiżew Are questions like that even on-topic? To whom are they going to help other than OP?
 
Why did they think performance was a big blocker? Queue items load like nearly instantaneously
@oguzismail that's something of a cognitive dissonance example in SO's raiason d'etre
 
In English?
 
while SO is a resource for all users and questions/answers should be viewed under the lens of future viewers, a question doesn't have to necessarily help other people, so long as it potentially could
now if a question is so localized that it couldn't possibly help anyone, you can use the typo/no repro reason, which covers that sub-reason
But if I have a question about a programming problem, I only need to make sure it is specific, objective, and (ideally) a practical problem I'm facing to be on-topic.
it may never be something that actually helps anyone other than me (if I get an answer)... so long as it could be the case
That being said, a question about how to replace ? in URLs with & seems like it could be helpful to loads of people.
 
@TylerH Only in the general sense of "replace X symbol with Y symbol"
Which is a subform of "string X with string Y"
 
@Braiam sure, I don't claim that it's not a duplicate of some broader/canonical request for .htaccess
I'm only arguing that it's a thing that other people could have to (and probably already have had to) deal with
In this case, however, the specific question is asking for a regex (not sure why Wiktor removed that tag) that leaves the first instance of / and replaces subsequent ones with &
so it's a bit more complex than "replace X symbol with Y symbol"
 
8:05 PM
@TylerH Eh, Apache mod_rewrite isn't regex.
It's PCRE if I'm not mistaken.
And usually you want aliases.
 
@Braiam PCRE stands for perl-compatible regular expressions
besides, regex is just a generic term for searching based on patterns, it's not a specific implementation or flavor itself
which is probably why using the tag prompts users to include a flavor/language tag
 
I prefer my regexes flavored, thank you :)
I still feel that the problem is the WP plugin and it would be an exercise of futility using Apache because of the shortfallings of the plugin... PHP sucks (ducks)
 
8:36 PM
@oguzismail I am not sure what you meant by "like that", that one is certainly not as it is just a support request. All usual rules for asking a good question apply here.
 
:-)
nice continuance of the downward trend...
 
OK, now you're just showing off
 
:)
 
9:32 PM
does it belly flop into /dev/null?
 
There you go. Nathan should approve
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:)
 
 
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11:59 PM
Hrrrr, those VSCode c++ setup questions become to get annoying. And it's always the same, no configuration or task setup json, no information about the actual toolchain :-/
That's really no tool for beginners it seems :-P
 

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