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11:01 PM
@AdrianMole Obviously I am terrible at probing. I looked at your recent reviews and I did not find anything that looked like evidence of a close-reopen war.
@Scratte If you're going to accuse someone of plagiarism, it's probably best to do that silently in a mod flag, rather than a comment on the post. In my experience, the comments lead to a lot more comments and a lot more vitriol than just getting a mod to step in.
 
@CodyGray .... but is not nearly as fun and exciting :D
 
I thought people got pleasure from watching mods come in and delete answers they had just flagged?
 
@CodyGray Maybe it was just a close/reopen skirmish, then. But it was new to me, in terms of the number of times it had been close/reopen voted and/or reviewed.
 
@AdrianMole Yeah, I think I just didn't find the right one.
 
Walrus operator.
 
11:07 PM
Those big, sexy tusks!
 
Tsk, Tsk.
 
Ah.
I had not managed to locate it before (somehow...), but yeah, that's barely even a skirmish.
One time close-and-reopen is not even weird.
 
But it was good, general advice I obtained in here, for the future.
 
Not to go to LA?
 
That, too.
 
11:14 PM
@CodyGray I've never had that happen. I've usually asked them to explain the difference between their Answer and [this one](link..). Or say: This code is exactly the same as ... No one has ever engaged in conversation with me from such a comment.
 
Apparently they are scared of you, because I see that kind of thing frequently turn into some kind of abusive egomatch.
 
(I just like posting examples of usage of the comma after "that" - can't think why.)
 
I do not think anyone is scared of me. Except maybe me.. but that's kind of irrelevant :)
 
It's the sabre teeth!
 
They do come in handy when hanging from a cliff.. or apparently when commenting :)
 
11:18 PM
Huh, these new close/reopen notifications are indeed nice. My question just got reopened, hooray!
 
It never actually got closed, @janw :-)
Well, I guess it technically did, but yeah.
Someone did a system reset. I had not considered that would actually send a notification....
 
Yeah, at least this way I got to try out the new notifications :-)
Thanks. Whatever happened to that years old question...
 
Apparently you worked around it. The real challenge is going to be remembering more details about how, and then posting an answer. :-)
 
:D I guess you are right, I should definitely post an answer. It seems to have even accumulated a few views over time.
 
The hidden benefit to close-vote reviews!
@cigien In general, I'd say "yes". But in that specific case, probably not, because the container they describe is not one of the standard library's containers...
@cigien Requirement dumps are off-topic because they are not questions. Whether something is a homework question or not is completely irrelevant, and folks should stop trying to guess. The homework advice we give is just that: advice, to the asker. Feel free to give that advice in a comment, but close reasons are independent of the motivation/milieu of the asker.
I think, when Cody agrees with Braiam, that's about as close as we come to a "consensus". :-)
 
11:30 PM
@CodyGray Yes, they clarified that in the comments. I've asked them to edit the question to say that, and ping me when they do, but they haven't. Should I reopen the question before they do that? As it stands, the target applies.
 
@cigien Oh, uh... I didn't read the comments, just the question, and it looks like there's enough in the question to show that what they want isn't an STL container.
"I need at compile time unknown sized (large) arrays (of double or complex double)"
 
Clarifications in comments don't justify reopening, IMHO. They must be in the question itself - put there by either the OP (preferable) or by an editor 'harvesting' the comments (potentially awkward).
 
But of course!
 
But, in that question, they don't state that they need a contiguous block, as they do in the comments.
 
@CodyGray I disagree. Currently, the question asks for a fixed dimension, unknown size container, and the answer is vector. The fact that they want the underlying memory to be contiguous is only clarified in the comments.
 
11:34 PM
ninja'd
 
Hmm, not ninja'd. Your message is first :)
 
I didn't say who was ninja'd by whom.
 
Aah, true.
Glad to see people still using "whom", and correctly.
 
I agree, the question needs some work before it is eligible to be re-opened.
 
But it's a fairly trivial class to implement ... even using a std::vector as the underlying storage block.
 
11:36 PM
Vector does dynamic allocation. I don't think that's what they want.
 
Details are everything, then.
 
@AdrianMole I hear that's where the devil is.
 
I thought he was in LA?
 
This sounds like they want something like boost.multiarray
 
@AdrianMole Then who's in Triage?
 
11:39 PM
@Scratte Even the devil left that miserable place.
 
His cousin - one of the other Nicks.
 
@BaummitAugen It's exactly what they want. I've asked the OP to add their last comment to the question, and it can be reopened. I don't want to make that edit though.
 
But is recommending boost OK when they ask for an STL implementation?
 
Even with that clarification added in, I feel like it should be a duplicate. (Not of the one it's currently marked as a duplicate of. Some other post that asks the same question. It's not that weird of a requirement. You'd think someone else would have wanted it over the past decade we've been doing this.)
 
Once.. a long time ago, I edited into the Question all the requirements/clarifications from comments. It worked out well.
 
11:42 PM
I see such edits quite a lot in the reviews ... but it's such a pain to actually go check the comments from the queue.
 
There is this, which probably contains the info they need, but isn't really a dupe.
OK, threw those on the pile. I think that's reasonable, unless someone wants to be a hero and turn that very question into a good canonical.
 
@AdrianMole Yes, of course. The entire process is just painful. The dragging out the details, the adding them in and finally the edit review. It's almost as if the author would have gotten Answers faster if the energy could be spent on that instead :D
 
@CodyGray Yes, I agree completely. OTOH, this bullet help/topic#3 "Questions asking for homework help must include a summary of the work you've done so far to solve the problem, and a description of the difficulty you are having solving it." is explicitly listed under things that make a post off-topic.
Isn't that directly contradictory to the idea that whether it's a HW assignment is irrelevant? It's been used as an argument against that multiple times by members just today.
 
Wait - you want consensus and consistency?
 
11:46 PM
Haha.
 
You have Robert Harvey to thank for editing that little bullet point into the Help Center article.
 
@CodyGray Hmm, seems a bit over the top, but none of the targets are wrong. Looks ok.
 
Using that as a justification for trying to analyze the asker's intent was... not the intent of the edit.
 
That's unfortunate then. As currently worded, I can't blame anyone for reading it that way.
 
The problem will be fixed soon.
 
11:49 PM
Wait, what? Why? How, rather?
 
Moderators can edit the page.
The way people are reading that advice is contradictory to every other bit of advice on Meta and elsewhere.
So, clearly, the advice is wrong, or at least vulnerable to harmful misinterpretation.
 
Curious, how unilaterally can mods edit the help-pages? Is that something that's done frequently?
 
If that goes missing, life in comments is going to be so much more fun :)
 
Don't live your life in comments.
@cigien No. Robert Harvey made a bunch of edits to that page over the years, adding and refining a lot of these bullet points under discussion.
 
I talk Natty for walks.. and people should know why their post will go missing.
 
11:53 PM
I have made a few edits, as have other staff members, to clarify things and remove obsolete things.
 
Wow, that was fast, and Alexandrian. Did you move that bullet somewhere? Or did you remove it entirely?
 
Removed.
The advice already exists elsewhere, like on the Ask Question page, and here, linked from that very page as "tips".
 
Well, all right then. I had a nice meta post planned and everything ;)
 
The research effort meta post is being used as an argument to close "no effort" posts, even if it doesn't say anywhere on it that no effort posts are off-topic.
 
Also reworded the "customer support" bullet point, and rearranged the order so that general computing and server infrastructure are at the very bottom.
Bikeshedding on Meta for something like this might be necessary when you don't have a mod around, but is ultimately far too much effort for a simple change.
@Scratte Research effort is a downvote reason, but not a close reason.
Are there Meta posts that say research effort is a close reason? I will definitely remove those. That's incorrect.
 
11:56 PM
@CodyGray Well, I certainly didn't know it was a trivial change.
 
But I'm not going to pretend that research effort isn't super important here.
 
@CodyGray Don't tell me that. Tell the ones that uses it as an excuse to close.
 
@Scratte I have.
 
:)
@CodyGray No. There isn't. But they are interpreted as such. I'm sure you know the most famous one: How much research effort is expected of Stack Overflow users?
 

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