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9:00 PM
start with UI and mock states
then replace those mock states with provider data, hooking up user generated actions to adjust your new mock state in the provider
then hook up your API etc to get real data
 
and it's there something like MVVM or MVP?
 
just setting it on the provider and calling notifyListeners() should complete your app
It's all the same shit by different names TBH
don't get bogged down in the details
the overarching theme is keep your data separate from your logic and keep both separate from your UI
don't be afraid to make lots of stupid, generalized widgets
plug those in to make your UI, use stateful widets for UI state stuff only
application and user specific data goes in the provider
 
oh and I find it quite slow
at times
might be the implementation?
 
yeah, debug is super slow too
release gets heavily cached which speeds it up a lot
 
response time seems kinda slow at times
 
9:03 PM
put breakpoints in your build function and see how often you're redrawing UI
you may want to refine your state management to trigger less redraws
 
but only the views that change must be stateful
I mean if I have a form layout with 4 fields that don't change those need to be stateless and a field that does need to change this needs to be stateful
I mean only make the stateful at the lowest level
or something, right?
 
no you only need a stateful widget if that widget needs to retain some information
if all of your data is in a provider it can be stateless
I typically use stateful for things like switches or edittexts
and the high level page which has ui states
like if you're using a tab bar or something, the page that draws the tab bar and its contents would be stateful
 
yes
 
but a meter showing the current temperature could be stateless
redraws are triggered by the provider and that's where the data lives
 
wait you mean stateful
or
 
9:08 PM
no
 
not
 
Imagine you have a screen that displays temperature from an API
you can have a timer or some user action to trigger an API call
 
> A stateful widget is dynamic: for example, it can change its appearance in response to events triggered by user interactions or when it receives data.
 
that updates the provider, the provider notifies listeners
that triggers your stateless widgets to redraw with the current data in the provider
 
so basically "receives data" can be handled by the provider?
 
9:09 PM
yes
 
but not user interaction
 
if you use the provider model you can put all your backend data there
you'd only use stateful widgets for client specific data like current tab selected, search bar text etc
transient data that you're not saving to a database == stateful widget
permanent data you want to keep or read from somewhere external == provider
 
they don't learn you that in school
thank you
 
@DaveS you have to admit this one was genius to star
mostly just because it was me who starred it
 
I've starred all of them
 
9:12 PM
lol
 
yeah what the hell eh
 
I'm your biggest fan Dave
 
stars for david
 
if you want to shut me up just start starring my messages indiscriminately until I get uncomfortable
 
hahaha
 
9:14 PM
nooo
unstar him
 
lol
 
haha
 
@DaveS that's illegal
 
lol I said it to get them to stop starring everything
it backfired
 
that's some reverse psychology
 
9:16 PM
I just wanted more stars for this
 
its to distract from the story where dave sent a client gay porn
 
I need more details bb
I demand
 
I always miss funny stuff
 
more details
 
3 hours ago, by Dave S
A few years ago, we were doing designs for one of out first larger corporate clients and our designer zipped everything up and sent it to the client. Turns out the folder was still named "DefinitelyNotGayPorn" in the zip archive
 
9:18 PM
I love
and technically true
 
yeah if anything it improved client relations because they knew you were trustworthy
5
 
lol
 
lol
 
did the guy whos fault it was get in any trouble? or was that a team efforts
 
maybe he got a bonus
 
9:24 PM
yeah true
 
We laughed about it then had a company wide meeting about professionalism and that even if it's funny at the time lets name client work files appropriately so it didn't happen again
 
also don't star this message to prove that these idiots don't star everything
@DaveS hahaha
that must have been such a funny meeting
 
and by company wide we talked loud enough for all 8 of us in the basement to hear it
 
you ever standing alone in line for something and then remember that story and burst out laughing?
 
@DaveS That also reminds me of a guy who accidentally sent a PH video link instead of a GH repo link to his superior
 
9:26 PM
ouch that's worse because it was definitely porn
 
"Oh I found something on github that might solve our problem"
 
@Mauker hahahahahaha that ones so hard to justify
 
sends link
It's a pornhub link
 
there's no way out of that one
 
pokerface
He kept his job but had a nice talk about professionalism
he apologized of course
 
9:27 PM
I feel like watching pr0n on company time is also probably against the rules professionalism aside
sorry had to edit the nasty wordout
do you have any idea what his reasoning was, or if he had an excuse
because I feel like there's enough plausible deniability that since they're somewhat similar names you could have had a momentary lapse in judgement
depending on the link.. of course
 
yoyoyoyo
i got a job
 
probably just left over in the clipboard
good now you can start contributing to the server costs for room 15
 
"sorry I name my github folder of bookmarks Hub and my PH folder of bookmarks Rub and they're right next to eachother and got confused"
@DaveS yeah most likely
 
everyone here chips in $5/mo to keep the room open, you can venmo me yours JBis
 
k will do
just need your venmo password
 
9:33 PM
it's JBisSux69xxx420
 
wow dave is using venmo before me
maybe I am boomer
man that would have definitely been jbis' hotmail account if he was around in that era
 
lol
 
@JBis congrats man!!
 
xXxHxCJBis02xXx
 
is this the india team one?
 
9:34 PM
@DaveS wow, we have the same password
 
@DaveS hahaha
I bet yours was something like CoolDave42@hotmail.com
 
@ballBreaker I'll be working with an Indian team, but the company is America.
 
mine was super boring
 
@ballBreaker thanks!!
 
@JBis ah damn, I heard foreign exchange experience is very valuable for uni applications
 
9:37 PM
nah it was more emo and didn't have any numbers in it
but I don't want to dox myself with preteen usernames
so I'm not gonna say what it was
 
fair enough
mine was last name + half of my first name
 
no it would be BreakerBa
or BreakerLL
 
haha
did jbis dox me, I missed it
 
no
dumbass thought ball was your last name not your first name
 
9:41 PM
okay cool
hahaha I thought that might have been the case
 
everyone knows breaker is your last name
 
yeah im stupid
 
are we doxxing people again
 
@DaveS We know where you live.
 
still waiting for that pool party to happen
 
9:43 PM
damn corona
 
"Hey hun, why are all these young boys showing up for a pool party? They said they met you on the internet."
7
 
i think dave invented corona so that we wouldn't show up at his house
 
"Chill babe, they're 18"
3
 
hahahaha
 
hi
 
9:47 PM
o/
 
hey bb
@desert-man sorry I disapeard yesterday, or was it two days ago? It wasn't my fault
 
no worries
 
please accept this as an apology
 
nice
those are pretty helpful tips actually, good to know for me since I don't spend much time in deserts
I knew you had to drink lots of water but didn't realize how many people die from exposure
 
10:05 PM
don't need 7 ways to survive in the desert I'm an expert
 
I should have known, well at least bb learned something.
 
@ballBreaker yeah, exposure to your mom
 
yeah nana just thought you were an expert at dessert
 
You can especially die from exposure when you get your clients to pay you in exposure.
 
gottem boys
 
10:07 PM
Joe's Crab Shack, where BB's mom turns tricks to buy BB xbox games
 
@JBis why, did you give her your airborne AIDS?
also sneak preview of 2021, airborne aids becomes a thing
you heard it here first
 
There's till like... 50 days to go in this year...plenty of time
 
why'd you remove that great set up
 
lmao jibs i saw that
 
:D
 
10:08 PM
yeah I was mid typing a joke out for that
you'll just have to trust me that it was really funny
 
👍
 
the predators worked fast eh, they just couldn't wait until you turned 18
 
It's ok JBis we already know
 
jibs probably deletes the most messages in here
 
that's why he's still a virgin
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10:11 PM
lmao
 
take away the star, that joke doesnt even make sense
 
never
 
Tim
making extra accounts to star more
 
not deleting your bad messages shows confidence bro
 
10:15 PM
sup gents
 
o/
 
also I'm curious what you think about a song like this jbissers youtube.com/watch?v=8Ysk7Wkgx4s
 
o/ Ivan
what about this one JBis? youtube.com/watch?v=s__rX_WL100
 
yo ivy
 
cyber bulling jbis?
 
10:16 PM
nah its some stuff that I listen to that most people don't have the palate for and then I judge them harshly for not liking it
haha no, we just can't agree on music so I wonder if he'll randomly like something
 
and he sent me enough songs to listen to so I return the favour
 
We're only picking on him because he made virgin joke about himself, once, maybe twice then immediately removed it
 
isnt he into kpop or something?
 
probably would have left it alone if he went with it
so now it's time to roast him
 
10:17 PM
hahahaha omg
 
@ballBreaker cool riff, nothing amazing
 
@IvanMilisavljevic I forgot about that conversation who was that
 
BLT was the band or something like that
could probably find it if you search
 
lool i think that was ~exception
 
yeah you're right
@JBis get on my level bro
 
10:18 PM
i want to hear some new music
 
did you listen to the new system of a down songs
 
aw new album?
noo
 
I really like one of them, and the other one I didn't like as much
and naw unfortunately, just some songs they released because of the armenia situation
 
this is the good one
oh hey tim that was weird
 
10:20 PM
i love it bb
anyone playing valhala?
 
not yet! is it out now?
 
@ballBreaker thats what she said
 
nice
 
jibs is trying to redeem himself
 
This chat is the reason I can never run for political office.
One search and I've have 25 difference controversies.
 
10:24 PM
that's not the only reason
 
@grrigore What do you mean "doesn't work"? Do you get a 404?
 
@ballBreaker yeah, its fine but it has very little do to with AC
 
@Code-Apprentice >We're sorry, the requested URL was not found on this server.
what kind of music Ivan?
 
Anything really
 
@IvanMilisavljevic hmm that might not be the worst thing but yeah kinda weird
 
10:33 PM
Yeah i liked original titles better
 
we should celebrate today as Star Day
so many stars lol
 
that's weird though because isn't it supposed to be a "recap" of the previous stories?
 
I just started, but no i dont think so
 
lol
Russian roulette for nerds
 
10:37 PM
and by nerds I mean you
 
@IvanMilisavljevic hmm let me know!
 
and I'm out
have a good one bye see ya
 
samezies o/
 
i'm gonna make a website for jbis quotes
 
yeah samezieses
 
10:41 PM
cause he deletes them so much
 
@grrigore maybe because of your region. where in the world are you? It works for me in the United States.
so to let you in on the joke:
 
11:01 PM
12!
 
11:27 PM
NANA!
You're alive!
 
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