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2:16 AM
@grrigore You probably want normal Ubuntu - Core is very stripped down, mostly meant for Io[Shi]T devices
 
 
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6:29 AM
it's pie powerful enough to run ubuntu and a dockered ubuntu? :D
 
Yes
You won't win any benchmark competitions, but it'll run find for lightweight stuff
 
 
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8:05 AM
I installed Ubuntu server on mine, but I'm considering looking for a stripped down ubuntu distro
 
Tim
sup mehdi
 
Tim! I'm okay, starting this day slowly, what about you? how is it going?
 
Tim
it's ok. Trying to swim through all the work
 
did things not calm down since the first few days after your vacations?
 
Tim
just a bit
but I haven't worked evenings or weekends, so compared to before vacation, progress is lot slower
for the next 3 months or so we have an extra guy on the project who is a senior, so hopefully that will be good. I'm excited
 
8:16 AM
o/
 
Nice, Tim!
Well progress including weekends and nights is not representative, so th progress now is normal and how it should be and planned with :D
 
eli
8:52 AM
[ Hi ]
What am i missing ?
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9:22 AM
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@RaghavSood nice, thank you
I wanna host a wiki
 
@Mehdi Why? What are you considering as too much bloat in ubuntu server?
Wiki should be doable
 
9:39 AM
I don't really consider it bloated, but I wanna experience what the devops nerds do, in only installing the system packages needed for the functioning of their running apps, as in how to manage all that in an industrialised manner
 
Sounds like you want to try nixos
Basically no packages available at a system level unless you explicitly ask for it, but each app and package gets its own view of the system
Declarative computers are the future
Anyone who disagrees has no future
 
XD
what about the packages repository of nixos? does it contain most packages found on the centos or ubuntu ecosystems?
 
Pretty much
And if it doesn't, you can write a 5 line nix pkg that wraps a .deb or .rpm package
 
that's nice, thanks :D
 
But really, nixpkgs is one of the largest package repos of any distro
But beyond that, if you want a minimal experience, you can drop down to debian minimal
It comes with basically no non essential packages
But you still get access to most of the apt repos
 
9:46 AM
would be nice to have an actual venn diagram between a few famous distros, because if nix has tons of "hello world" packages compared to 1 in ubuntu, that's not really helpful :D
 
nixpkgs is the "officially" maintained repo, so only stuff that's useful to a wide audience is in there, similar to apt
there's nur-community, which is the more "anything goes" repo
But pretty much anything you've ever heard of will be in nixpkgs
 
perfect, I'm going to give it a try then
 
Let me give you an example
 
yes?
 
Gisting it so I don't have to ban myself for posting too much code
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I'm on my home server, and maybe I need docker for a quick test
Naturally, I'm not a moron, so docker isn't a default package on my systems
But when I need it, I can just run nix-shell -p docker, and it will install docker, along with all its dependencies, and drop me into a shell with docker available in my PATH
I can do all the docker stuff I want, and then exit the shell back to my system prompt
And once I exit, docker is magically unavailable, no pollution to my system env
Similarly, you can define nix-shells for all your projects - have one ML script that absolutely needs python2.7 but don't need it on the rest of your system? You can have a project specific shell that's in that project's git repo that pulls in python and all the python packages you need for that project
And develop on it without impacting your entire system
It goes a lot further than packages too
You can manage both system and package configurations declaratively
 
9:54 AM
so it's like Python's virtual environments, like virtualenv or anaconda etc...
 
Sort of, but at an OS level
For instance, I like having netdata on all my systems, so I've got this nix expression: gist.github.com/RaghavSood/b671d79dcac3ae8991759d0a473bd4ce
I can just import ../../common/netdata_agent.nix and it will automatically download the netdata package, set up its config, add a systemd service for it, and allow access to my personal VPNs only for the netdata port on any system I include it in
Without making netdata part of my global system PATH,
In 21 lines of code (which can be shortened further if you don't want the latest netdata from unstable), I've defined package installation, app configuration, access control, and more for an entire service
Want to use your machine to run a docker image? It's as easy as gist.github.com/RaghavSood/774d1cf4c5ebb9f22bfe837543826a3f
It will automatically enable docker daemon, install docker, set up everything, download the image, set the ENV for the image, and ensure it is restarted
 
and how would you scale this to a fleet of multiple machines, say you add a new node
 
It's all code, so it's just a git repo - There's a tool called nixops, which allows you to manage nix expressions for various machines. I define everything I need to run as a nix expression, and I can run it on one or multiple machines by just importing those files into the "master" expression for that machine, then running nixops deploy
It will then automatically calculate the things it needs to add/remove, and make the changes
There is definitely a learning curve, but it's worth it
I've been using it for about 9 months now, absolutely life changing
 
that's really cool, I'm sold, I'm moving to Nixos tonight
 
10:02 AM
@RaghavSood it's good, I kind of wanna feel the ride :D
 
It's so much nicer than k8s - sure, you don't get the automatic scaling and stuff out of the box, but the system is incredibly predictable and stable
Make a mistake and installed nodejs? nixos-rebuild rollback, and within seconds your system will be free of impurities again
 
XD
to be honest, I rarely make a mistake and install nodejs XD
 
But the point is, now you can, without living with any of the consequences
Although, nixos and ARM are a bit of a hit or miss
It works, but it's also still sort of WIP
So might not be the best option for the RPi
You could totally get a cheap VM somewhere and play around with it though
Additionally, if you just want to get started, the nix package manager works on Ubuntu too
So you can get all the declarative package management benefits, without going all-or-nothing
You won't get the full "entire OS is a config file" feeling, but it's a good stepping stone
 
> Support for the Pi 4 in nixpkgs is still experimental
way to shatter my motivation raghav XD
 
I mean... maybe you can be the one to fix bugs for Pi 4
:D
 
10:10 AM
right... XD
 
It's quite easy, I've taken to sending stuff upstream quite a bit now
Because the entire OS is a huge nix expression, when stuff breaks, you usually get a very sane looking backtrace with line numbers and everything
It's not super hard to debug usually, and you learn a lot about linux as a whole
Just got new ear pads for my QC35 :D
So much more comfortable
Got some nice ear protection as well, now I can drown out the sorrows of people who don't use declarative OSes
 
This was the most starred message last year on this day:
 
@Mehdi On the NixOS note, which is someone's thesis on steroid, there's also Guix, which is the same concept, but a GNU project
 
Hmm. Actually, nothing interesting was said on this day last year.
 
NixOS is considerably larger community and package wise though, mostly cause it is older
 
10:16 AM
@RaghavSood I got a pair as well, but they're still boxed, as i keep forgetting to buy some glue, since the one on the headphones seems quite worn out XD
 
Hmm, why do you need glue? QC35 ear pads use a clip system
 
I have the QC35 2
 
The R/L back fabric just uses a couple of strips of double sided tape, but the actual ear pad uses a clip system
So do I :D
 
and on the guide, they say you should push them into a sticky surface (on top of the two wires on each side)
that's actually how I got to detach the old pads
 
Hmmm, do you have the QC25?
35 doesn't have wires
 
Yeah, I have those too - no wires (unless you are talking about the 2.5mm and charging ports)
 
wait I don't know how to say this in english
 
Tim
say it in dutch, I can translate
5
 
hahhaah
 
Are you talking about the headband portion?
Or the clips on the side of each ear cup where it swivels?
 
10:21 AM
like this group of wires
 
A ribbon cable?
Why would you touch that to swap out the ear pads? The cable is under the R/L covers, you don't need to do anything to it
The covers go on top of it, and the cushions clip into the site housing
youtube.com/watch?v=KtfYxBZhszA - this is pretty much all I did
 
ok so maybe I messed up XD
 
(I like the choice of example though :D)
Yeah, it's pretty easy, assuming your replacement came with the R/L covers (or your existing R/L covers are in good condition and don't need to be replaced)
 
no, I just checked, well yes I messed up, when taking off the "glue rectangles" of the new pads, I stripped them off by mistake
so one of the 2 pads no longer has the 2 sticky glue bands
@RaghavSood that was the first thing that came to my mind :D
 
@Mehdi Just get any random double sided tape, it's nothing fancy
 
10:29 AM
yeah I'll do that :D
 
That'll be $60 for technical diagnosis
And an additional $3000 for OS recommendations
 
actually, you should be paying me 3000$ for getting my hopes up only to tell me it's not supported on the Pi
 
Fine, we'll cancel out, you still owe me $60
There's an additional processing charge of $50 for payments under $61
 
if I knew it was that easy, I would have asked 5000
 
That'll be an additional $3000 for teaching you it was this easy
 
10:34 AM
looks like you learned a thing or 2 from the mainstream educational system :D
 
Would be a first
@Mehdi Pi 4 support is experimental, but still seems to work for the most part: github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/63720
 
11:07 AM
why would you ever want to run ubuntu server?
im using ubuntu 20.04 as my daily driver but i would never run it on a server
 
I usually run Centos on the server side, but it wasn't on the default suggested distros, so I picked ubuntu
@RaghavSood I'm gonna try it out anyway, if it crashes, well it crashes, I doubt that my usage would push its boundaries to unveil unstable parts of the OS
 
is there something offered by VMware that has direct support for containers?
 
hello there
 
Tim
wasup
 
11:27 AM
hello!
did you guys see Kanye's campaign videos? XD
 
Tim
what a fucking degenerate
2
 
perfectly phrased
 
11:47 AM
@IvanMilisavljevic Yes, vSphere has a container subset
I think it's call internal containers or something
 
Ribbit
 
Never really touched it though, I stay away from proprietary stuff usually
he said, as he typed on a device powered by an Intel CPU
 
Is Apache Kafka useful?
 
Depends on what you're using it for
As a persistent relational database? No.
As candy? Also no
 
Great, thanks
 
11:48 AM
As a queue and distributed pipeline messenger? Maybe
 
Good to know
 
12:31 PM
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1:12 PM
Any iOS people around?
 
A strange expectation given the nature of this room
 
No, no. It makes perfect sense. No one knows anything about Android here, but iOS, who knows.
8
 
Nobody
It's like walking into the JS room and asking about good coding practices
 
Actually I think good JS devs have better coding practices, because it requires self-discipline rather than just doing what the language forces you to.
 
Good JS devs moved on from JS
 
1:19 PM
Yea, to typescript. lol
Or are you suggesting no one uses websites anymore?
 
Hmmm. I could live with that
 
Morning
 
@RaghavSood hmmmmm.... Aside from the fact that there's no guarantee of quality control on websites, I run into buggy apps a lot more often than buggy websites.
 
This can be avoided by not using computers, closing as WONTFIX
 
Now there's a plan I can support. lol
 
1:35 PM
Lenovo still hasn't shipped the M.2 SSD bracket
I continue to blame Mehdi
 
@twiz hahaha
 
That doesn't happen to be confirmation that you know some things about iOS does it? haha
 
We all know things about iOS
We just don't wanna share
It's iOS, not ourOS
 
No, sorry.. I only know they use XCode and that iOS devs are happier and bigger spenders than android devs
 
Well if you'd like another little tidbit of info, the distribution keys are way more confusing to deal with than for Android.
 
1:40 PM
I can take care of that for you, send me your account credentials and keys please
 
You'd still need to hack my phone though.
 
pff, 2FA hipster :D
 
Another question: Anyone used Fastlane for building/releasing apps?
 
\o
 
2:08 PM
o/
 
Tim
I've use fastlane for screenshot generate thingy
d
 
@twiz yes
 
2:23 PM
 
2:38 PM
> There were no dangerous side-effects from taking the vaccine, however, 70% of people on the trial developed either fever or headache. The researchers say this could be managed with paracetamol.
nice
 
 
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4:01 PM
@Mehdi I just watched a couple minutes of his "speech", "and then god said, 'Don't fuck wit me'"
 
4:13 PM
I think he's not well
 
I agree. I think he has legitimate mental issues.
 
Makes a good running mate for current pres
 
@RaghavSood are you familiar with the specifics of the equifax breach?
 
5:08 PM
o/
@Mehdi like? :D
 
@grrigore there is a long and interesting thread below that message, the TL;DR is NixOS (which is still experimental on the Pi 4 but stable on the 2 and 3)
 
After that Firebase has sent to the user an email verification, how can I update my app as soon as the email is verified? Should I put something in application class?
 
oh thanks mehdi
did not see that one
 
I mean
1) Email verification is sent
2) I exit the app and verify my email
3) I open the app
4) I'm logged in!
No the login page isn't shown anymore
 
hmm
 
5:17 PM
@Graeme It's nice how the nanobots can be disguised into a "must have" vaccine
 
No to be honest this isn't a great idea
 
I think you can use a webview and startActivityForResult
But I don't really know how
 
Sending a code via email would be better
Like Instagram
But Firebase doesn't have this function
 
<whisper>Curio: make the webpage open a url with a schema managed by your app</whisper>
 
well I think it should be fine with the current implementation
 
5:20 PM
<whisper>And also make your "registration" screen check for verification upon onresume</whisper>
 
Mmm
 
Ankit Mishra requested access. Rep: 427 - Questions: 2 - Answers: 29 (ratio 4:58)
 
But the user has to google I don't know what email page
 
<whisper>and add an unicorn animation so the user is amused while waiting</whisper>
 
Gmail, hotmail,...!?
 
5:21 PM
!accept
 
@AnkitMishra welcome. Please start by reading the rules and confirm you have read them before saying anything else.
 
hello
 
Hammahtime!
Expell him! He didn't read the rules!
 
!kick
 
Unknown command '!kick'
 
5:23 PM
can here someone could help me with firebase android java?? I could not update profile database in firsebase. I don't know what is going wrong ..
 
!expell Ankit*
 
Unknown command '!expell Ankit*'
 
@RaymondArteaga What about sending a random 6-digits number via mail from a service of my app?
 
i think that should be server side
 
I don't have one
Except Firebase
 
5:26 PM
@Curio too disruptive for modern times
users shall not wait unnecessarily
 
I'll go for Firebase email verification then
 
@AnkitMishra hey, welcome! could you please go through the rules quickly?
 
I am sorry I won't post anything okay
 
no you should post stuff lol
just after reading the rules :D
 
He aint reading the rules
he shall be expelled
READ THE RULES HERE ===> room-15.github.io <===
 
5:33 PM
I take full powers and I absolve him
!absolve
 
Unknown command '!absolve'
 
He must be fined, a fine for every infraction he committed
I will collect the fines
 
A fine for every time I said I'm fine
 
I have read and understood the rules
 
Finally fine? a fun fact?... You’re fined!
 
5:38 PM
what ?
I will loose what?
 
As you hear buddy
 
I'm this room's accountant
 
listen
 
you must pay in BTC
 
5:38 PM
can someone help me
I will pay
 
sure, but pay the fine first
 
Thanks and welcome, Ankit! :D
 
If your problem has something to do with android, then you are in the wrong place
 
ohh then?
 
5:40 PM
@twiz check this
but ask anyway
we love questions here
 
BAH, I really need that code via email but I don't have a server
 
do you have a backend?
just use a gmail account
and use a SMTP client
 
Hehe... Backend
 
5:58 PM
@RaymondArteaga this one? stackoverflow.com/a/25136400/7339411
 
Now I'm lost
I think I haven't read enough of the previous conversation
 
why would you send an email from a non email client android app?
 
Because I have to verify email via code
 
again... do you have a "back end"
 
6:02 PM
I don't think so
 
it's a retorical question
of course
 
Ok I'll have it
 
thanks
 
And now?
 
now what?
 
6:03 PM
eats popcorn
 
What back end do I have?
 
I don't know, you don't know?
 
You've said that I have one
 
Curio - You want to send an email, as a response to the user performing some action on your client ?
 
No, I said you NEED one
In frogglish of course
 
6:05 PM
@RaymondArteaga Doesn't this mean "Yes you have"?
 
No, it means, it's a question he must think about and draw the proper conclusions
 
1) I insert my email
2) I receive a code
3) I put the code in the edittext and press VERIFY
4) My email is verified
 
In this case, you must have a backend
 
And how can I have a back end?
Which is not Firebase
 
rent a VPS
 
6:06 PM
So between 1) and 2) you need a mechanism to generate a code and then send that code in an email correct?
 
or get an old garage computer and rent some DNS stuff
 
@Graeme Yeah, I thought to simply send it from the app itself
 
no
you send it from your backend
 
Emails are sent between email servers - you can't "send an email" from the app, you will need to connect to an email server and instruct it to send an email on your behalf
 
But technically I can
I have 2 emails and boom
The mine and the user's
 
6:08 PM
You need to search for Email servers that will provide you with an email account which has an API allowing you to give it that instructions
 
Curio... if your app verifies itself, how can you be sure it wasn't tampered?
 
Don't ask him more questions >.< let him understand the basics first
 
you need to have somebody verifying stuff
that's basic weird bear -_-
go shave yourself -_-
 
Somebody should intercept the random code that I generate, right?
 
somebody should generate the code and verify it, and it shouldn't be the app
 
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But if from my mail I send a 6-digits code to your mail, how can this be wrong?
The 6-digits code is simply generated inside the app but it's not shown of course
It's simply sent
 
and how are you going to verify it?
 
if(editText.getText().toString().equals(MY_GENERATED_CODE))
 
@Curio didn't get this
let's go to a private room
 
OK
 
6:16 PM
./gradlew assembleRelease --> creating unsigned apk in Ci build. What to change? Please give me some quick tips or solution :/ Thanks in advance
 
!reject
 
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@RaymondArteaga :o ! Go get licked by a hippie!
 
@Graeme lol, the hippie will be terminated by licking me!
 
But at least he'll become one with the universe just before hand :D
 
6:29 PM
Meh, hot blooded animals should be terminated anyway
 
:o
Just humans - the rest are a'right
 
Only Amphibia and Insecta classes shall stand after the Apocalypse
Insecta should be dominated, and bots will be our tools
 
7:19 PM
btb
Where is BB?
 
7:32 PM
@ballBreaker You okay mister crab?
 
@RaymondArteaga @Tim Was Fastlane a good experience for you? I always end up forgetting something stupid when I release my app (Bumping version numbers and stupid stuff). Especially for iOS it would be nice to setup fastlane's match "action" with a Github repo so I never have to think about the keys again.
 
@twiz it is tolerable till now
I started with it the previous week
 
You mean its about to become intolerable or its still tolerable?
oh haha
 
still
it looks pretty flexible
I was able to implement the "bumping version" task successfully
 
It seems like a lot of setup to get started with it, but sounds like it would be awesome once its working.
 
7:40 PM
with some help of a jenkins pipeline of course
to pass the expected version and stuff
an interesting experience imo
 
"expected version"?
 
yeah, but that's business related, so I can't tell
 
Not sure what you mean, but I already have Google's CI thingy running tests and stuff, so it shouldn't be too hard to add in Fastlane I don't think.
Actually, it would be nice even if I just used it manually.
Did you set it up for both iOS and Android?
 
just android
 
7:51 PM
I'm not sure how some of it is supposed to work for iOS. I don't imagine there's any great way to completely automate releases since it "must" be built on a Mac.
 
somebody wants ios help in android room in which apparently nobody even does android anymore
nice
 
That's me! Hurray!
I don't think anyone actually uses the iOS room.
 
there is a ios room?
 
they probably joined a $$ subscription based room somewhere
 
lol sounds about right.
There was some room I looked at a while ago, but no one had said anything in ages.
 
7:54 PM
lol
 
ah yes, we have an iOS developer here, Trevor-e!
 
I don't even need someone who is good at iOS dev. Just someone who understands how their crazy distribution certificate system works. haha
 
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