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1:00 PM
Yeah, it shouldn't be possible for a non-moderator to detect a well-disguised voting ring...but it doesn't seem that many are particularly well disguised.
 
Can this be moved to UNIX? stackoverflow.com/q/62954430/1839439
 
@RyanM Which is why it bugs me that Dharman can do it without me understanding how :)
 
@RyanM Even when they are disguised you can see that something is going on. I have plenty of flags where I don't point out any users, but only a suspicious activity
 
@Dharman Seems so.
 
Thanks
 
1:02 PM
But I do suspect that voting fraudsters will have serious setbacks when Dharman is a moderator.
 
They'd better enjoy their moment!
 
That's why my voting ring consists entirely of 1-rep users. There's no trace that they've upvoted all my posts! Totally undetectable.
 
@Scratte I have a list of like 1000 accounts that I am too lazy to flag
 
I thought I saw a voting ring last night, but I'm no longer convinced it's actually there.
 
Fun fact: downvoting your sock-puppets posts for being just horrible is still fraud :)
 
So.. I took one post that was mentioned at some point. Opened up all the posts of all the users in there. And I see.. nothing.
 
This is a typo, why is it closed as a duplicate? stackoverflow.com/q/17820747/1839439
 
@Scratte For the one that was mentioned earlier, there's a destroyed user here that had some involvement
 
But one user doesn't make a ring.. and also I was too late to see that.
 
@Scratte So was I, I found it after the user was destroyed
 
1:12 PM
@Dharman Possibly "typo" wasn't a close reason that many years ago. I don't recall. One of the close-voters voted for "lacks minimal understanding". The rest probably decided it was nicer to just go with a duplicate.
 
The duplicate target doesn't even answer the question. I suppose people in 2013 were not as experienced yet.
 
Can't help you there
 
@Dharman Another reason is that it could have taken as little as two users to dupe it, if the other reasons were spread out
 
It would be cool if there was a way to remove the only duplicate target and change it to a different close reason
 
@Machavity That's what I thought, but alas, no. All but the first close vote was as dupe.
 
1:17 PM
I didn't know Mods could see the reasons. TIL
 
@Dharman If you have a gold badge, you can remove the only duplicate target and change it to another duplicate target. But there's fundamentally no way to convert one type of close vote into another, regardless of rep. Even mods have to reopen and reclose.
@Machavity Oh yeah. That's in the timeline view for mods.
 
user12867493
1:30 PM
@Machavity Can you please watch whatever needs watching in the spam post above please for Smokey? I have less than 10k so I can't see it. Thanks
 
user12867493
@Machavity Sorry, didn't check the title :)
 
It's OK. I've learned the hard way that if there's a link at the end, SD probably already has a (1) report for it ;)
 
user12867493
Actually "Link at end of body" would be (99)
 
True. It didn't like the verbiage there
 
1:35 PM
 
> enter image description here
>
> please look at my code in this picture and find my problemm
Hoo boy.
Not even beating around the bush anymore, just right out with it.
 
So annoying
 
user12867493
@CodyGray Is there an actual image?
 
I think so, but honestly, I didn't care enough to check whether the link actually worked.
 
@CodyGray Hot new children's book idea: "Where's Problem? Look at these pictures of code and find where the problem is hidden!"
7
Waldo, eat your heart out
 
1:44 PM
Now I know why you are running for moderator... You want access to all those CC BY-SA-licensed deleted posts as the basis for your new book project.
 
Dang, he's onto me
 
@Machavity So the first pages would be Python and JavaScript, second-to-last page would be C++ templates, and the bonus image would be a particularly obscure piece of Perl.
 
I knew someone that took a course once and the exam was: Find the error in this 2000 line code block.
 
@E_net4wantsyoutovote Terror book should be BF, Haskell and PHP
 
@Scratte Better known as a "job"
 
1:46 PM
@Braiam Sure, except that this is a children's book.
 
Volume 2 coming soon: featuring RegEx!
 
@Machavity Nope.. it was on paper.
 
We should start a bookstore ...
 
@E_net4wantsyoutovote Asking people to debug perl is just unfair, and that's me taking about production code.
 
@JohnDvorak Which is why it's a bonus image. :)
 
1:49 PM
You say bonus image, I say birdie fund
 
2:22 PM
Weren't they supposed to remove the thanks feature yesterday?
 
They were. And they didn't.
 
2:47 PM
@Dharman I think maybe something else happened, that took priority.
 
Nothing else happened. We've always been at war with Eurasia.
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Right. Perhaps it's time to move to Svalbard or Antarctica
If a Question ends up in Help & Improvement, does it make sense to edit it, if the edit doesn't bring it to be on topic? And.. should an edit include details only provided in a comment?
 
it only makes sense if the question gets into an answerable state with all the information you find
if not, just close vote / flag out of the queue
 
3:03 PM
@CodyGray pfft Child of the 80s...
 
3:17 PM
The recommendation question above that SD also brought up - was that spam? The user was advertising themself looking for a job.
 
@JeanneDark It was (accidentally) manually reported by me clicking on "Spam" via AdvancedFlagging
 
It certainly looked like it, that's why I also clicked on it immediately
 
Yeah, I think it is self-promotion
And off-topic anyways
 
@JeanneDark Yes, job listings like that are spam: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/276249/are-job-offers-spam
 
@CodyGray But this was a potential employee not employer
 
3:26 PM
Meh
Why does it matter?
 
@CodyGray Just curious so I can flag it correctly in the future
 
You're not going to go wrong flagging extremely low-quality job stuff like that as spam.
There might be some grey area somewhere, but that wasn't it.
 
3:56 PM
The horror, the horror...
 
user12867493
4:07 PM
I apologise, the above CV request has another reason than intended. It was in Triage and upon flagging the review item went onto the next one but the CV box stayed
 
6:13 PM
@Daniil Were you using a userscript to move from review to review (e.g. with shortcuts, or other entry), or just using the normal buttons?
 
 
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7:41 PM
@Makyen The cv-pls in the actual review
 
Is there a relationship between laravel or heruoku and Postgres?
 
@Daniil Yes, but how did you make it happen. The cv-pls dialog should have closed if you clicked outside of the request generator popup, which is necessary in order to move to the next review. That doesn't mean the Request Generator shouldn't handle it, just that it would be nice to be able to duplicate the problem.
 
user12867493
I'd also like to try and replicate it
 
user12867493
@Makyen I can't tell you right now as I'm out of Triage reviews and it only works in Triage
 
@Daniil OK.
 
7:59 PM
@AndyK I'm not sure "confused" is a close reason :)
 
@Scratte please have a look :)
(quite fun to read though)
 
8:11 PM
@AndyK I don't understand why you want to close this
 
@AndyK For requests, please use the format described in How and why do I need to format my cv-pls (and other requests)?. Your request reason (the close reason for a cv-pls), shouldn't be in a tag. If a tag is provided in the request that is in addition to the request tag (i.e. in addition to the ), then it should be the primary tag that is used in by the question, not the request reason.
@AndyK Please always include an actual close reason in your cv-pls requests; "confused" isn't a close reason. The results of the OP being confused can lead to a closable question, but it's not a close reason by itself.
 
8:49 PM
@TheMaster This appears to be a [reopen-pls] request for a question that you are involved in (have answered).
 
@TheMaster While I appreciate your desire to have this question you've answered reopened, the rules for SOCVR explicitly prohibit anyone from making a request about a post which they've asked or answered, or about an edit which they've made (#15 in our FAQ).
@AdrianMole Thanks for noticing that.
 
I was wondering whether I should just have left it to the ROs.
 
@AdrianMole We are not all-seeing. :)
 
@Makyen Thank you for the link and @AdrianMole for noticing. Just to clarify , if I make the answer community wiki, I can request to reopen again right?
 
8:55 PM
@TheMaster Yes. That is explicitly permitted.
 
@Makyen Thank you!
 
np
 
9:15 PM
@Dharman You give your 24 hour for election. :) I don't see you offline.
 
@Shree What?
Ohh, you mean I am constantly online.
 
Dharman deleted sleep.. :)
 
hehe
 
I see you more active than before :)
yep
 
I haven't done much on SO in the past 3-4 hours
 
9:19 PM
gotta impress the voters
 
Cut your 3-4 hours.
 
 
Election vibe. When next SOCVR RO nomination start?
I don't see previous elected RO Stephen Kennedy so much active.
 
They used to be a moderator?
 
9:52 PM
No but RO on SOCVR are mini moderator :)
 
Yes. I agree.. :)
I did not know there were Room Owner nominations for SOCVR.
 
but I have a feeling it's not as public as moderator elections.
 
@Scratte ^
 
Heh.. I've been to that site more times than I can count. I never pressed that tab :D
 
9:55 PM
:P But for select RO, previous RO decision play must active role :D
But ever one feel free to question there nomination.
 
I see it's not an election by folks. But by other Room Owners.
I expect there's less drama :)
 
Iss a seekrit.
 
Yep. less drama but its tough. So many question slap in candidate face :D
 
Fortunately it looks like one has to nominate oneself as with moderator elections.
I don't see a lot of questions on Room Owners candidate nomination though.
 
Not on previous one but .................
 
10:05 PM
Oh. I was looking at TylerH and Stephen Kennedy
I see one Room Owner, that was never elected :)
 
:P
We all know him well.
 
@Shree There is more than one :)
 
:D
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica borderline spam.... containing email/phone/whatever personal info.
> Please respond by email to Mary at mgonzales7491@yahoo.com THANK YOU
 
@Scratte There are some questions on most nominations. A significant difference is that, for an RO position, there's already considerable existing history of the existing ROs dealing directly with the person and seeing how they act in the room over time. That's vastly different than a site-wide moderator nomination where the vast majority of people making the decision (i.e. voting) have little or no prior interaction with the person who nominated.
 
10:22 PM
@Makyen I expected as much :) I gather the nomination part is merely to find out who of the regulars is interested.
But it did come as a surprised that there were nominations. I think I figured that regulars would be asked if they were interested. So the other way around.
 
@Scratte It's a position which the person needs to be at least willing to do it. That is a considerable portion of nominating.
 
What happen I give thanks for spam post. is there any penalty ?
 
I do not think so. I don't even think there is a penalty for upvoting a spam post.
The penalty comes only when posting one. Or editing in spam to someone elses post.
 
what's smoke detector?
 
you can also get review suspension when spam answers are presented in queues as audits.
 
10:29 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Yes, ok. Don't upvote spam posts in review.
 
exactly.
so technically there's a penalty if you upvote a spam post during an audit.
 
@Jabster28 That's tough question. But you can find information abot smoke detector via this link.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre But what if you Thank a spam post in a review audit?
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre But that's not isolated to spam :) Any Answer that was removed will result in the same failed audit, no? Or if one does a bad review on any post :D
I do not think that action has been implemented. I just Thanksâ„¢'ed a post in Late Answers, and the "I'm done" button doesn't activate.
 
I need help with this post. Does this need to be closed? stackoverflow.com/questions/62974624/…
 
 
Is this wordpress Question about programming?
@Shree You linked to an answer. I do not think this is NAA, since it seems the Question is asking for it.
 
11:17 PM
@Scratte Yep I realize that but time running out of my hand. I ask for question ? Where I download Python version ?
 
@Shree It looks ok to me. The answer is ... slightly wrong, but it is not NAA. The question is asking for off-site resource, but an official link. It can't be opinion-based
 
@Dharman Ok thanks. I dont like question likes that. Where to download my window os ...... some thing like that.
 
@Shree I wasn't sure. But I am more on the side that it's ok for the reasons that Dharman mentioned. It's OK to ask for official documentation, so why not official build?
 
@Scratte SO is about programming, not Operating Systems.
While the question will fit on SO, it would belong better on Super User.
 
@10Rep They are not asking for an OS.
 
11:23 PM
It's a question related to an OS.
 
But that is not what the Question is about though. What if you ask a Question about programming specifically to a certain hardware? That doesn't make a Question off topic.
 
@Scratte I never ask question where to download my VS or upgrade VS ? I believe Python folks must know where to download ? That's my point. If it's ok nothing to say. :)
 
@10Rep I could even ask a Java Question about how to set my file attributes, which will depends on my OS.
@Shree I would not dare to ask such a Question myself :)
 
@Scratte Nevertheless, asking where to download python? I don't know..., could be a google search :D
 
@10Rep Not just were.. where is the official site to always get the latest version. I do not believe there is one for my tag. I think the official URL depends on the release.
 
11:30 PM
@Scratte java.com?
@Jabster28 yes, since this question needs to be closed.
 
oh that was quick
and i helped :D
 
@10Rep Isn't the just the JRE?
 
@Scratte I know nothing about :).
What is a JRE?
 
@10Rep Ah. Well, it looks like whatever you need to install as a user of a java program. Not as a developer :) But I guess you just answered the generic Question about the official site.. unless you want another JRE vendor.
 
Wrong ping sorry.
 
11:36 PM
Ok
 
@10Rep Java Runtime Environment. (Not Java Development Kit)
 
@Scratte So, is that where you run java code?
 
@10Rep Yes :) One is indeed needed to run code.
 
@Jabster28 The normal and correct thing is to flag it for closure. That will put the question in the Close Vote Review Queue (CV queue), where, hopefully, other users will review it and vote to close. Unfortunately, there are a lot of questions in the CV queue, so some of them don't get seen very fast, or reviewed at all. If you feel the question is really bad, is quite unlikely to be reviewed, or is very likely to get answers prior to being closed, then you can post a cv-pls in here.
Please read the FAQ which has been linked above, particularly the parts about how to format requests and that you shouldn't be requesting every question which you close-flag, just a subset.
 
@Scratte In python land, they call it the shell :)
 
11:38 PM
@10Rep Ah. All I know about python is not get too close to one :)
 
kinda useless, i'd reject it
 
@Jabster28 I'm thinking of rejecting it because it goes against the original intent of the post.
 
@10Rep Why? Do you have a reason to reject?
@10Rep How so? Can you explain?
 
@Makyen ohh, i see
ill do that next time
 
@Dharman In HTML, the <title> tag and the <h1> tag are two different things.
 
11:40 PM
Yeah, but that is completely not what the question is about. You could also remove it altogether if it bothers you
 
I feel it could be a comment.
Such as when people put comments saying "This is not a good practice".
 
@Dharman But is there a reason to make the edit? Does it make the Question better?
 
@10Rep Ok, that I checked the revision history, I can see the previous edit should be rejected.
 
@Jabster28 Great. Thanks. There's nothing wrong with bringing particularly bad ones here. It's just that it's not physically possible for us to handle all questions. We just don't have the votes to be able to do that. Thus, we have to restrict requests to just a subset and concentrate on where we can make the most difference.
 
Just delete the whole question.
 
11:44 PM
Motto Delete everything :P
 
lol
 
Also using my new "check" button I noticed there is some voting fraud
 
@Dharman I am still very impressed with what I do not know about this :)
 
@Shree Always
 
@Dharman You have a check button?
 
11:48 PM
@10Rep Yeah, I was playing around today with a simple userscript: github.com/kamil-tekiela/userscripts/blob/master/…
 
Does anybody know what close reason to choose (if any) for the following question? How to overcome with the error that time limit exceeded while passing hidden test cases? It comes from some online judge website. Just the first sentence of the description makes me want to delete it: "N monkeys are invited to a party where they start dancing..." D:
 
I think it's useless, but maybe someone has an idea where to go from there.
 
@Dharman Great. I always love US. :)
 
It's not what I had in mind when I started writing it. I realized it after I finished writing it
 
@Dharman Is there a limit to who can run this userscript?
 
11:51 PM
@10Rep I don't think so
I am not sure I know how it works. I am not very good at writing userscripts
 
Hooray! I can investigate a certain user.
How do you run it?
 
As usual install with tampermonkey and it will add a button to the page
 
WOW! This is awesome!
 
it is?
 
For the record, I tried it on a user who was suspended.
It returned "nothing unusal".
 
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