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2:33 AM
How to read the nan value using if condition in pandas? I have a data frame which has a column name called "Rating". It has "Nan" values. I am tryting to read using this code (bpaste.net/AMTC5AGL6WAW65WW4TM7UTPNGI) but not successful. I am getting error message : "The truth value of a Series is ambiguous. Use a.empty, a.bool(), a.item(), a.any() or a.all()"
can any one help?
 
3:14 AM
@Jason google the error message and read the first three of a hundred duplicates
I don't understand how that's not second nature for everyone writing code
 
cbg all
If anyone hears of some remote opportunities, even small ones, what with my now being home for the foreseeable and all, please think of me.
 
cbg
 
 
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4:29 AM
cbg!
 
4:45 AM
cbg Paritosh boi o/
 
 
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7:32 AM
cbg
@Aran-Fey then the keyword should probably not be else though, maybe then.
 
Oh, I like the sound of then. That could maybe also be used instead of the else on loops
 
@AndyK well done :)
social-distancing WFH cbg
 
if we're renaming else where else doesn't make sense, then i'd also like to submit a rename for for else block to for no-break block
 
no-break sounds weird IMO. for then is no good?
 
my issue with the 2nd half in for else block has been that unless you explicitly know beforehand that it's relying on a break inside the loop, then the syntax does nothing to make that relation clear
So, that's how im approaching it. so, even then wouldn't quite do it
It would be better than accidentally writing a for else loop due to indentation issues though i suppose. so that would be something. But still feels like a compromise
Is there something else that makes that relation with break clearer but is better than no-break ?
no-break-occured hm. seems verbose though
 
7:43 AM
I don't really mind the else not being self-documenting, tbh. Things like continue, break, yield, def aren't exactly self-documenting either and nobody minds those
 
The one difference i see between all of them vs here is they all can only be used in one specific place, the keyword is not "overloaded" in that sense.
 
Although I have to admit that the else on loops probably makes a lot of people think "What the heck is that else doing there, is that a syntax error?" rather than "huh, I've never seen this control flow keyword before"
 
@Aran-Fey But aren't most of those due to already existing keywords in other languages
 
That was pretty much my first reaction when i encountered a for else block too :P
 
@shad0w_wa1k3r yield and def not so much
def more so than yield I guess
 
7:47 AM
yeah
 
might as well change def to fun while we're at it, if only for the sake of newbies saying "fun function" instead of "def function"
 
no need to make fun of a de(a)f function, that's mean!
 
well, and it will require people to update their var names. The biggest reason for keyword re-usage is that it's backwards compatible.
clunky > non-breaking
 
oh, i forgot about that part. that's a very good point
 
(I would really like try..then and for..then though)
 
wim
7:56 AM
"handle" might have been a more common-sense-english choice than "except"
 
I wouldn't mind the sound of try: if: or for: finally:, if they weren't totally ambiguous or misleading
 
wim
try/if would be ambiguous though (think of wanting to put a conditional block after a handling block)
the loop else block is pretty obscure, i'm sort of surprised that guido wouldn't have just said "set a flag before breaking" and eschew that feature in the first place
 
I think the main goal was to make the code readable for people who know the language, not catering to non-python programmers
 
then again, many Python programmers are also confused by for: else:
I regularly have to stop myself from grabbing pen and paper when I see one in the wild
 
8:27 AM
this is so weird... German research conferencing is totally overloaded since everyone and their cat is on WFH now... we're recycling virtual meeting rooms now oO
"thanks for connecting, please leave now because we need this room for the next meeting"
 
Oh wow. I didn't know that was a thing!
 
 
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10:06 AM
@JonClements you just saved me a lot of time with this tip! Didn't know about breakpoints yesterday, but somehow remembered reading this message when i needed something precisely like that! ^.^
Fanks!
 
10:38 AM
@MisterMiyagi virtual squatters!
 
11:23 AM
one of my classmates asked me how to press f12 it's going to airplane mode facepalm
 
better to ask than to not know.
 
user10984358
I always end up doing that.
 
^^ better to be curiously stupid than ignorant
 
user10984358
Some laptops have you press fn while others doesn’t need :/ it’s like the usb drive
 
brief cbg
 
11:26 AM
Paritosh we are in 3rd year IT
 
I used to think it was quite stupid of them, but looking back, it is just not that funny actually. (Goes for all silly things in life, like grammar)
You grow at your own pace, athough, yes, it's slightly expected of you, sometimes.
 
and most disappointing: where is the tab key?
 
Any crazy keyboards in your institution? Or just a little pitiful someone?
 
I mean, to be fair, just for context, there's people who haven't even touched computers when they start doing B.Tech. I know a couple people who were like that. There really is no need to look down at people if they're actively trying to fix the gaps in their knowledge, even if it's for the simple things we take for granted.
 
no, standard qwerty keyboard they never use/ have used their PC only their phone :/
 
11:33 AM
Never 100% safe to assume. Like Paritosh said.
 
You can joke about things, sure, but it shouldn't come from a place of haughtiness. Just something to keep in mind.
 
@TheNamesAlc you can change them to original function keys in BIOS and for the airplane mode keys and others you have to use fn instead. see this
 
user10984358
good to know
 
that's one of the reasons it is hard actually. It's a setting inside the BIOS, which usually has no easy way to be changed, unless you know what you're doing (or the keyboard explicitly provides a toggle), either way, it's not standard.
 
the issue is the people who asked me such silly questions top the written exams
 
11:42 AM
that's school for ya
 
@Manik it's not a foolproof system. I am aware of the horrors having been through it myself :D
 
I still wonder how i survived honestly
 
same
still once in a bluemoon I'll have nightmares on how I'm struggling at school, 5+ years after graduation :|
 
what was your highest/latest education?
 
B. Tech. (12 + 4)
 
11:46 AM
ah, i see. just curious if you don't mind me asking, do you see yourself going for M. Tech/MBA later?
 
I love MOOCs though. Regular (Indian) academics I hate.
@ParitoshSingh no, I keep doing courses & once in a while I do a "nanodegree"
 
ah i see, cool
 
Even these are not 100% ideal (of course), but they are at least 5x better than the academics I faced.
 
i have Phd professors recommending notepad for writing html code and then search for spelling mistakes in the code to look for errors facepalm
and don't know basic things like indentation
 
and there's poor old me that's never done any computer training in their life :)
@roganjosh despite not great reviews... Avenue 5 isn't actually too bad - watched 5 episodes last night and it appealed to my sense of humour
 
11:59 AM
I might have to check it out :)
 
@roganjosh plus "Lenora Crichlow" is in it who I have a soft spot for :)
 
off the topic(again) if you have already released an app and someone asked for the code for a feature that might be useful to him too would you give it?. (depends on what?)
it's a free app
 
to clarify, they're asking for you to give them a part of the code your app uses?
 
yes
 
yeah... depends... I probably would... but it depends what plans you have for it... have you got an idea for any sort of licence for the code? eg: did you intend to make it open source at some point or...?
 
12:13 PM
Most of my personal projects are open source so it's a moot point. He can go get the code from github if he so desires
In the rare situation where the project isn't open source, I probably have a good reason, which is unlikely to be overturned by the request of one internet rando
 
what would be a reason for not sharing?
 
Maybe the code is horribly ugly and I'm embarrassed to have written it. Maybe it's a heartbreaking work of staggering genius and I want to keep it all for myself
 
a. You plan to monetize the code somehow (in future), b. You don't like the requesting party or their intentions, etc.
 
ok melon
 
Ultimately, strangers on the internet are not entitled to the fruits of my labor, so I can deny access to my work for any or no reason
 
12:18 PM
you wouldn't be on SO then, would you?! :)
 
i remember my "heartbreaking work of staggering genius"
i looked at it 1.5 years later and refactored it all away.
 
The principle applies even on SO. If I had a nickel for every SO question I answered and then ghosted on after the OP asked for three more things in the comments...
 
back when we were new to programming and the only metric for "good code" was "does it work?", life was a lot easier
"I wrote code that works! I'm the best!"
 
woohoo! :)
 
if Newton had not shared his gravitation law or calculus where would the world be?
 
12:22 PM
in that case im sure Kevin would have picked up the slack for us
 
We'd still have calculus, but Leibinz' wikipedia page would be longer
 
COVID19: 0 to 100k in ~41 days. 100k to 200k in 13 :( worldometers.info/coronavirus
 
i kinda like that about human advancement as a whole. while we may attribute innovations and breakthroughs to specific individuals (and fairly so as well), a lot of groundwork is laid out as a collective effort of people before them
 
There's a theory that most inventions and discoveries do not require a supergenius to discover them, and the only reason that calculus wasn't invented a hundred years earlier is because it depends on a number of concepts that were not there a hundred years earlier
 
guys I was send home today for home office, can you give me some tipps to not beeing a lazy bum at home ?
 
12:29 PM
Anyone experienced with Internet servers?
 
i think it's true. even the Egyptians could have developed the telephone since all the raw material is available but they didn't have the know-how
 
try to maintain your "work" routine, and keep your phone away!
 
@Xfce4 Amazon, Google and Microsoft have a fair few I hear :)
 
other than that, eh, you can be a bit of a "lazy bum" every now and then. eventually you'll start to realise you end up balancing it out anyways
 
Another example: darwin had a number of contemporaries that were kicking around the idea of something like evolution, so it's unlikely we would have remained totally clueless about the principle if he had decided to become a priest instead
 
12:31 PM
@JonClements Hehe well I meant a real person who knows how to build a server especially in terms of software
 
Well, depends on what you call a server :P
 
@Xfce4 possibly but you'd need to be more specific and it'd probably help if what you're after is somehow Python related given this is Python room and all that...
 
Kevin but if Darwin hadn't then it would take more time to discover(maybe 1 or 100years)
 
@JonClements Yes you are right.
 
cbg
 
12:37 PM
cbg
 
@Xfce4 There's a HTTP server in the Python stdlib. You may like to look at its source code.
 
@PM2Ring Do I have to use HTTP ?
 
Of course, building a proper server that's safe to use on the open Internet is a whole lot harder than that.
 
Oh I didnt describe the problem. I want to send files from one android device to another. The server is just to tell the destination IP to the source.
The file transfer is to be done over the Internet and the server communicates with the devices over the Internet too.
 
cab
 
12:47 PM
@Xfce4 Can't you use Google Drive for that?
 
@Kevin had a bit of luck with a thassa and agent of treachery setup yesterday... needs a heck of work but might be possible to make something more than decent out of it
 
@PM2Ring This application is aimed for crowds say 1000s of people. I considered using Firebase but found out that FireBase can become too expensive.
 
@Xfce4 and you want to build a server in python?
 
@PM2Ring Aiming 1000s does not mean it will be used by 1000s btw :D
 
Would it be a practical/desirable exercise to split the Python books from the non-Python in sopython.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading to help those who are specifically looking for a physical book from which to learn Python?
I'm asking because I'm trying to answer a webmaster question.
 
12:50 PM
@AndrasDeak Not only python but Whatever solution is suitable.
 
@Xfce4 probably not that expensive in terms of developing your own, getting it wrong, and having to maintain everything yourself :)
 
@Xfce4 this is the python room, you know
@holdenweb is the python/non-python accidental? How does that relate to physical/electronic? Which is the right semantics?
 
@AndrasDeak And it is not possible to build a server with python?
 
@Xfce4 it is.
 
@holdenweb confused... that link is purely non-Python?
sure there's another page er: tutorials/books?
 
12:53 PM
I'm quite fond of Agent of Treachery but i can imagine some challenging matchups where taking one of your opponent's permanents per turn will not stop them from defeating you. White weenie and burn, for example. So the principal deckbuilding challenge is, what to do about those sorts of opponents
 
Ah, I did n't recognise the irony in the rubric, and didn't scan it for Python books. So it's me that was confused, and that was where your confusion came from.
 
@JonClements there's "which tutorial should I read?" sopython.com/wiki/What_tutorial_should_I_read%3F
cc @holdenweb ^
 
(Disclaimer: I don't actually know whether white weenie and/or burn are present in the current standard metagame)
 
@AndrasDeak If you know a better place I can ask such questions would you tell me? Because I have many questions to ask.
 
@AndrasDeak Many thanks - good enough for my purposes!
 
12:56 PM
@Xfce4 this is the right place for asking for help with python problems. You can look around on chat.stackexchange.net for broader design problems. I'm thinking Server Fault and friends might be relevant if you don't have a programming problem yet.
 
@Kevin mono-red aggro is still popular... you can churn out massive amounts of 1-1's (a lot with haste/riot), and with a couple of Cavalcade of Calamity - it's err... painful
 
@Xfce4 Of course it's possible, there's one in the stdlib, as I said earlier. However, it is not a secure server, suitable for production use on the open Internet. And I wouldn't advise anyone to attempt to make such a thing in Python. Creating secure servers isn't easy, and it's a job that requires a lot of expertise.
But why would you even want to write a server anyway? Just use an existing server. So your real problem is to find a suitable hosting service that you can afford.
 
crackpot solution: a discord channel
 
or keybase :)
 
Kevin what is a crackpot solution? (English is not my native language)
 
1:13 PM
crackpot -- Noun. An eccentric, crazy or foolish person. A kook.
So a "crackpot solution" is a solution that works, but uses eccentric or foolish design choices.
 
Dump the file to hex & put it on pastebin. :)
 
@AndrasDeak I tried ServerFault but my question was rejected as the site was about Business environment only. Thanks for the tip.
 
melon Kevin
 
@PM2Ring YEah security is my concern too. I want to write the server so that I can keep the system requirements at minimum. I don't want to spend too much money on server part yet.
 
though idk what discord channel means either :D
 
1:16 PM
@PM2Ring Also I am not sure if a server I hire will be enough for the task. I tried to ask questions in ServerFault and SUperUser but all of my questions were closed.
 
@Xfce4 The Apache server is free, and 2/3 of the servers on the Web are Apache. But to handle around a thousand users you are most likely going to have to pay for hosting.
 
is 2/3 apache (if so - I blame WordPress for that...) - I thought nginx had a much greater share
 
@Xfce4 because this is a broad question. People in chat, like the ones here, might still be able/willing to help
 
anyway @Kevin mentioned about maybe getting minecraft... got a server sitting idle... could install an MC server on that if anyone else is interested
 
Of course the URL I posted was bogus, it's .com
 
1:22 PM
@JonClements Maybe not. ;) I just grabbed that from a quick Google search. From en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_HTTP_Server
Apache played a key role in the initial growth of the World Wide Web, quickly overtaking NCSA HTTPd as the dominant HTTP server, and has remained most popular since April 1996. In 2009, it became the first web server software to serve more than 100 million websites. As of February 2020, it was estimated to serve 24.51% of all active websites, ranked 2nd after Nginx at 36.48%, while according W3Techs, Apache is ranked first at 40.4% and Nginx 2nd at 31.8%.
 
that's probably more the ratio I was thinking :)
 
i had an option(between courses in college) between VB.net and matlab. i chose MATLAB because i didn't want to use windows
i'm using GNU octave
 
sounds like apples and oranges
or apples and giraffes
 
I think you guys have been talking about 2 different things re: servers. It looks to me like Xfce4 is referring to a host e.g. digitalocean rather than a server hosting an application
 
Not used it in ages, but the MONO runtime wasn't completely rubbish if you wanted to do .NET under linux
 
1:32 PM
I've used VB.NET and I can't say I'm fond of it
It doesn't use curly brackets to indicate a block, instead visually signifying it with whitespace -- what kind of crazy design is that
 
@Kevin it's a general-purpose framework, right?
whereas MATLAB/octave are very heavily number-oriented
 
When I used to have to suffer from doing VB... don't know if it's still the case... but to return a value you had to do something crazy like have the last line assign a value to the name of the function?
 
It's a multi-paradigm language, so it's not very opinionated about its own purpose
 
sounds like i made the right choice though for the wrong reason :)
but MATLAB professor sucks so it's even
 
@Kevin yeah... crazy... stuff like that will never take off
 
1:35 PM
@JonClements Worry not, it has a return statement now.
docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/visual-basic/programming-guide/… leads me to believe that "assign a value to the function's name to return it" is still present for backwards compatibility
 
Just something I vaguely remember when doing stuff with it 2002 - kinda wondering if I'm imagining it or not :)
 
but MATLAB seems like crappy version of Python after importing matplotlib sorry i'm a beginner if i hurt a MATLAB fan
 
@Manik it's the other way around
historically MATLAB started out as a thin wrapper for LAPACK/BLAS linalg functions written in fortran which have a terrible API. This was in the '60s or maybe '70s. It grew out to be a huge commercial package for all sorts of scientific computations and simulations, including visualization.
 
even with pandas installed... stuff like MATLAB/R because it's their purpose etc...
 
python blew up, pulling in broader community and a need for scientific programming, so things like numeric -> numpy started supporting MATLAB's functionality, and matplotlib for plotting (hence the "mat" in matplotlib)
 
1:49 PM
good to know
 
The ol' embrace/extend/extinguish
 
fresh cbg everyone
 
@Kevin MATLAB seems to be alive and well, so far :)
 
could someone advise with that code ,i keep getting syntax error. am using 3.8.1
if m := re.search(pattern, script.text, re.M | re.S):
        data = ast.literal_eval(m.group(1))
        break
that's the part where the syntax error
 
Our chat room is bigger than theirs :-p
@αԋɱҽԃαмєяιcαη The code itself looks syntactically correct. Most likely the problem is that m.group(1) returns a string that is not a valid Python literal
 
1:58 PM
I'm starting to think you're obsessed with scraping @αԋɱҽԃαмєяιcαη :p
 
I notice the answer says "Note that ast.literal_eval() fails if the JS object doesn't have quotes around its keys"
 
the traceback could probably help make it clearer
 
Cabbage
 
I've checked pep
# INVALID
x := 0
 
x := 0 being invalid does not mean that if x := 0: is invalid
>>> if x := 0:
...     pass
...
>>>
Tadaa, no syntax error
 
2:01 PM
okay but why i keep getting the error here?
  File "c:\Users\AmericaN\Desktop\Lab\test.py", line 31
    = re.search(pattern, script.text, re.M | re.S):
    ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
 
you're not on python 3.8 maybe even though you think you are?
 
Odd. Provide an MCVE and I'll look into it further.
 
even if you run this before the line in question? import sys; print(sys.version)
 
I find it strange that the traceback doesn't actually show the first part of the conditional. Where's the if m :?
 
2:04 PM
@Arne 3.8.1 (tags/v3.8.1:1b293b6, Dec 18 2019, 23:11:46) [MSC v.1916 64 bit (AMD64)]
 
hmm
 
If you're more interested in getting the code working than solving the mystery of why it's broken, you could simply replace the assignment expression with a regular assignment statement followed by a regular conditional
 
@αԋɱҽԃαмєяιcαη missing name on the left of =
 
m = re.search(pattern, script.text, re.M | re.S)
if m:
    #...
Half-baked theory: the IDE has a built-in style enforcer, and assumes that any line starting with if m: <whatever> should be converted to if m: <newline><tab><whatever>, and is "helpfully" doing this to if m:= whatever:, not recognizing that the result is gibberish
 
2:12 PM
Need for Ruprecht intensifies
@αԋɱҽԃαмєяιcαη glaring newline :|
Ugh
 
disabled format on save and it's works !
 
Next step: file a bug report for your IDE
 
actually it's the first point i thought about it :D
 
(or perhaps first verify that there's no "format using 3.7 syntax" dropdown hidden in a sub-sub-sub-menu somewhere, and then file a bug report)
 
@Kevin I've checked. there's not.
 
2:17 PM
👍
 
@JonClements no actually i was diving in regex and that question came in front of me :( lol
 
Guys, when I use Dict.update() I want multiple values to be update to the same key but python just overwrites it..
main_dict={}
a=5
b=10
main_dict.update({a:b})
a=5
b=20
main_dict.update({a:b})
print(main_dict)
here the dict overwrites 10 to 20 in value
I want 10,20 for the same key of 5
sort of list.append() kind of thing
for values
 
Not directly related to your question, but d[k] = v is more idiomatic than d.update({k:v})
 
Ahh ok
 
And 95% you need a defaultdict
I'm too busy to find one of the dozen dupes, google a bit
"Python dict collect values in list"
 
2:26 PM
TLDR:
from collections import defaultdict
d = defaultdict(list)
d[5].append(10)
d[5].append(20)
print(d[5])
 
@AndrasDeak Huh this is interesting
 
You'll have to change single-valued values to one-element lists
 
@AndrasDeak oh , I was going to resort to that way but then thought maybe python had something for it built in
 
@Anarach great you've arrived :)
 
defaultdict is basically that
 
2:28 PM
Yup ^
 
Thanks a ton everyone
Stay safe..
weird choice of name "defaultdict" never would have guessed that it does that job
 
I suspect the idea of a "multidict" has been kicked around the dev mailing list quite a bit over the years, but it's not quite useful/elegant/distinct-from-existing-types enough to merit explicit inclusion
 
its like Xbox naming
 
@JonClements Pascal functions also use that syntax for returning a value. I found it a bit weird at first, coming from C.
 
series X
 
2:31 PM
"defaultdict" is a generic name because a defaultdict can do quite a lot of things other than mimic a multidict
 
@Kevin Ahh I See..
 
everyone should use google pay or some electronic equivalent of cash
 
Re: VB/Pascal. I see the appeal of assignment-as-return from the standpoint of parser design. The fewer unique statements your language has, the easier it is to implement.
 
well... credit/debit cards have been around quite a while now @Manik - do those count?
 
... Not that return <expr> is all that hard to implement, even for a simple recursive descent parser. Perhaps things are a little trickier if you want to allow both return and return <expr>
 
2:37 PM
no, because everyone will swipe their card in the same machine
 
@PM2Ring and (old?) fortran
 
@Manik err how is swiping a card different than swiping your phone that has NFC?
 
i meant transaction using phone number or scanning QR codes
 
okay... not following?
if I hover a debit/credit card over a card reader it goes beep and pays, if I hover my phone over one, it can also pay, what's the difference?
 
what you don't know that you can pay someone money by scanning their QR code or phone number?
 
2:43 PM
I can pay someone if we're both physically present and tap our phones together or something... but that's not quite how shops work
I can pay someone via bank and other means even with just an email/phone number etc... still not getting your point
 
I don't think my card has contact-free capabilities... I have to insert the card into a slot on the reader to pay
 
all of mine are contactless
so you can just tap and go... but only for transactions £30 or less
 
But if I had to speculate, I would guess that contact-required cards are still less of a vector for transmission than cash
 
otherwise, you have to insert card and enter pin
 
"hand -> credit card -> reader -> credit card -> hand" is a more difficult journey than "hand -> cash -> hand"
 
2:45 PM
but cards have to be swiped right? into the machines no? they have magnetic strips that store the code
 
not in the UK - no
 
@Manik Not all cards
 
most are contactless
so you just "tap it" on the card reader and it's done - no swiping, no inserting etc...
 
in any case QR code and phone number is much safer, more contactless
 
errr it's the same tech
 
2:47 PM
I further speculate that the danger of using a contact-required card drops to near-zero if you're using hand sanitizer regularly
Y'know, the thing that the CDC actually recommends
 
in China they are burning cash i saw in the news
 
We should start using leafs as currency - as soon as we can work out what colour the wheel should be :)
 
Ok, and if the US decides to do that too, I'll hand over my wallet. Until then, not spreading panic and misinformation is our priority
 
@JonClements no you are using NFC in card case and in QR code you're using camera
 
@Manik scanning QR codes with a camera is just so much of a faff though - apart from having a nice little easily scannable area so you don't have to bother typing in a web address - I've not seen the point of 'em
took me a good two/three minutes the other day to link my device to continue using the whatsapp web app...
 
2:52 PM
ireland's news they removed online transaction fees
 
enable the camera, hold it at right position, meh, that's not working, move back a bit, move forward a bit, try and get everything in line with the square and then, no, timeout, do it all again... etc...
 
Any VSCode users? How do you deal with the horrible intellisense?
 
but QR is good for mitigating COVID-19 for the time being
@Aran-Fey which linter are you using?
 
pylint, but how is that related to intellisense?
 
@Aran-Fey sorry i got confused
 
2:57 PM
@Manik Citation needed
 
More like a begging the question kind of fallacy...
"Why don't people stop spreading the virus via credit cards?"
 
I'm serious about "don't spread misinformation". I don't want want this room to be part of the problem.
 
@Aran-Fey what is horrible in it? did you try to change the extension's settings?
 
oh guess who?
Mar 8 at 18:40, by Andras Deak
@Manik I'd rather we stuck to facts here
Forgot that was Manik. Ugh.
 
what misinformation did i spread?
 
3:01 PM
Your baseless speculation about the relative danger of credit cards
 
@AndrasDeak Maybe? But I haven't written any Fortran since the late 70s, so my memories of its syntax are very hazy... and kind of mixed up with the 20 or so dialects of Basic that I used back in Ancient Times. :)
 
kevin but it's in the news?
 
@Manik It rarely suggests anything useful, and sometimes autocompletes complete garbage. One time I was writing an __init__ method and it suddenly had 5 random parameters but no self
 
@Manik Then you won't have any trouble providing a citation for it, and for all future claims you make
 
@PM2Ring I'm certain about fortran 77, not sure if more modern versions have changed that behaviour.
 
3:02 PM
@PM2Ring I've never written any Fortran... had to read some to move a system into something else but that's it
 
Or, better yet, we can just not talk about covid at all in here, since people can get information about it literally everywhere else
14
 
yeah, let's do that
 
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ugh, it sorts alphabetically
 
@Aran-Fey there's a high-rep C++ user whose profile used to say "my sense before IntelliSense"
@Manik please pick up the pace and stop talking about that subject, as you have been told by other room owners. If you need an explicit official request, this is it.
 
Well, he's got a point, but I'd still like to get some support from my IDE
 
3:10 PM
understandable
 
@AndrasDeak ok sorry i won't do it from now please don't kick
 
I won't, thanks for understanding
@Aran-Fey since one of the few advantages of IDEs is hinting like that, I'd also be annoyed if it wasn't working properly. Might as well just use a good editor instead (I know, there are other stuff like debugging, git integration etc.)
 
I'd also appreciate any tips regarding how I can use the Cobalt2 theme without my code looking like someone knocked over a shelf in a candy shop
 
whoah
Is that not implied in the theme? I mean, can't you use a similar but different theme?
 
Hmm, I guess I can look if there are any similar themes. But ideally I'd want to change the syntax highlighter without affecting the IDE theme
 
3:20 PM
I see
have you tried customizing your theme?
 
Not yet, that's kind of like a last resort. I tried my hand at syntax highlighting before and it didn't go well
 
I've found stuff like code.visualstudio.com/docs/getstarted/… that seem useful
perhaps it's not too painful to change just that part
 
Guess I'll try, thanks
 
3:37 PM
> This feature request received a sufficient number of community upvotes and we moved it to our backlog.
Only took 3 years of pushing for separation of editor and IDE themes!
 
the beauty of closed source
 
vs code is open source though, no?
 
Microsoft has been kind of silently supporting more and more Open source stuff on some fronts. it's weirdly puzzling and refreshing to see
 
3:45 PM
I did not expect that :) And that "3 years of pushing bore fruit" sounds exactly how things work with MATLAB
 
recbg
 
Hello children.
 
cbg
 
3:52 PM
the Ancient Ones walk among us
 
:D Hi KID then
lol
 
Fee-fi-fo-fum...
 
The ancient one stole my rum!
 
Come over to g4dgethouse. I have rum
 
@Ffisegydd FIZZY!!!!!!
 
3:54 PM
Hey up.
 
a gathering of the old powers
 
how you doing mate?
 
the council of a certain luminosity
 
Surviving.
 
virtual mate hug
@Ffisegydd what brings you back to the shores of R6?
 
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