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12:06 AM
^ done
Woohoo 2000!!!

Currently, there are 2006 banned reviewers, out of which:
- 1876 (93.5%) users are banned for Triage reviews in one way or another
- 1464 (73.0%) users are banned for selecting "Requires Editing" in Triage when the question was unsalvagable
- 111 (5.5%) users are automatically banned for failing multiple review audits
- 431 (21.5%) users are banned for the first time
- 460 (22.9%) users have at least five review bans
- 112 (5.6%) users have at least ten review bans
- 100 (5.0%) users have a duration of at least 100 days, of which 18 users are perma-banned
 
12:35 AM
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Q: Review Ban Appeal for triage/25610408

IsaiahI just was review banned for triage/25610408, and I would like to appeal. While the question itself is very long and could use some trimming I don't think that is enough to close it as "Needs more focus." In particular, despite posting the entire problem that the user was given, the user mentions...

 
 
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4:52 AM
Hi there,
Was awarded a rejected edit for this post:
https://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/25606464
"the class it should create with a string": My rejected edit: "the class of whose properties and methods will be copied to it".
If not, what? The window doesn't create the class, the classes are already there- perhaps create an "instance of" instead?
Is that a better edit, or am I missing something here?
Thanks
 
 
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6:04 AM
@LaurieStearn I understand your point - your view of what actually happens is more correct... But the phrasing used in the edit is somewhat confusing. I understood what was meant in the original text very quickly; I had to parse the edit multiple times. For one thing, "whose" really only refers to people, not things ("that" or "which"). Your suggestion, here, for "instance" would be easier to understand, I think.
 
 
3 hours later…
8:39 AM
@Cindy Meister: Thanks! Would you believe I first considered "class of to whom"? "Class to which" was better.
Will go ahead and push "instance"- see what happens.
Having read this article more closely:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/winmsg/about-window-classes
It looks as if it is the correct term in any case.
 
8:57 AM
I have extra buttons since the last time I looked at a Triage review (ages ago) - buttons added by Sam's script I suppose?
 
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Q: Triage ban appeal

cherryblossomI recently got banned for reviewing triage/25607973 as 'Requires Editing': I want to make my wordpress page static but I’t to make my wordpress page static without plugin like copying entire source code and pasting it into .html or .php page instead it shows code in the frontend & not th...

 
More bans for the pile!
 
@SamuelLiew according to your gdocs its already 17th march?
 
@Luuklag I asked about this before, cant remember the answer xd
 
Next day is tentative until UTC midnight
treat it as the latest update between today and tomorrow
@Nick because I was away for a couple of hours attending interviews :p
 
@SamuelLiew Does that mean the 8 tabs I have open i'll soon be able to close xd
 
10:00 AM
maybe, I'm going to get some dinner first
 
Gotta say, loving your script for reviewing Sam (and I should probably thank you for lifting the review ban early, if that was you)
 
@StephenKennedy yes, but those "instant" action buttons bypass the review
@Psychemaster yeah that was three days ago already
 
Yea but I only look at the queues during work downtime
so wouldn't have noticed over the weekend
 
(you reviewed that one right @Psychemaster)
 
Basically I'm just clicking every link you paste and seeing if my name shows up
If it does, the next question is 'Does it match Nick's response'
2
 
10:13 AM
;)
 
Nick our role model :D
most of the time, if there is no code block, the question can be closed
 
There's one thing that bugs me - askers who post screengrabs of their code instead of just pasting it into the question
Better than nothing... but barely
 
Worse than nothing, because then reviewers go "Oh, they've posted their code as an image, that means they've posted their code, that's fine"
 
Yea, it's just... why would you go through the extra effort to screengrab? If you're asking a question, you've probably already got your IDE open... should be trivial to Ctrl-C Ctrl-V
 
10:32 AM
@Psychemaster Yesterday I saw one where it wasn't even a screenshot. It was a picture of the screen with the person and a bright window mirrored (in the screen) in the picture.
 
The horror...
 
I step away for 4 hours and I get 20 unprocessed pages of Triage reviews..
 
10:48 AM
@SamuelLiew Minor suggestion for your review userscript - possible to output number of flags remaining somewhere on the page?
The shortcut buttons are pretty neat, but using them doesn't show the UI so I don't know how many more flags I can raise
unless I manually pick Unsalvageable
 
@Psychemaster flags or close votes?
usually one will not run out of flags
 
Must be close votes then
Basically the figure you see when you click 'Unsalvageable'
(I wasn't aware there was a difference, and the screen refers to them as 'flags')
 
11:26 AM
checks
 
@SamuelLiew I think the amount of flags users have start at 10 a day. You've just successfully flagged so much that yours has reached the maximum of 100. (Or you're a moderator that has unlimited amount so something like that).
 
@Scratte Mine is also 100
 
I'm sure it's mentioned somewhere that mods have unlimited flags
 
I'm not sure they need flags ;p
 
True.
 
11:31 AM
@Nick I don't know the moderator rules. Hypothetically there could be some sort of rule that says you can't remove answers on your posts, and therefore have to flag them, or something.. but I'm guessing :)
 
I think I have unlimited CVs. I did 400+ before
 
Colleague just peaked over my shoulder "Why does he have unlimited curriculum vitaes" :facepalm:
 
@Nick Just for entertaining the numbers. This is my interpretation of the calculation of flags: with "2,257 helpful flags" (and a guess of 103 declined flags), the flag amount is min(10 + (2,257 - 103)/10,100) = 100. With "182 helpful flags" and 5 declined flags, it's (10 + (182 - 5)/10,100) = 27.. <-- mine :)
 
for example, I closed 1200 questions the past 7 days, that's about 171 average per day
 
11:43 AM
@Scratte Cute, I have 20 declined flags
 
I've got... 6 declined
 
@Nick Less than 1% ?!?.. You really are a role model :)
 
You should see the ratios of people who have autoflags enabled from some of the sobotics bots
 
I have my own way of classifying flaggers. E.g. gnat is an elite flagger i.stack.imgur.com/MRrbh.png
 
and how many of them were manual ;p
 
11:50 AM
@SamuelLiew What the percentage that makes someone an "Elite flagger"? And does it also require an amount? Ahh.. thanks :)
 
yes you'll need a min amount of correct flags per tier, not just 1 flag and 1 helpful = very good
 
and how do i stand sam o/
 
If you install this userscript and visit your main profile page you can see your own rank (but you can't see others)
 
96% accuracy, I'll take it
 
..not going to.. I'm scared of going into the wft (misspelled on purpose) category :D
 
11:52 AM
meh, no userscripts at work
should probably sort that out
 
my standards are high, I'm only in the silver tier myself (same as you Nick)
 
that's my last tab closed \o/
 
total of 8 tiers including unranked (new user or normal flagger)
 
@Nick thought that looked familiar, turns out I skipped it... oh well
 
Ahhh it only takes post flags into account
if it took all flags id be gold rank
and then i couldnt reach elite until 5000 flags
 
11:59 AM
yeah comment and spam flags are too easy
 
~~Also i'm losing out on post flags from all these bad reviewers in here ;p~~
lmao there's 3 sub-par tiers xd
@SamuelLiew Should you not subtract retracted flags, I could farm points by flagging and retracting over and over as it stands ;p
and aged away
and probably disputed too
 
@Nick Wouldn't that only be an issue in that particular script? :) I think it's unlikely for users to start farming flags just to get an "elite" stamp on Samuel's userscript :D
 
>.>
<.<
highly unlikely ^^
 
uh huh, and get on other mods radar. We see past post flags on a post even when they are already handled
 
I only retract flags when I flag a answer and realize that I should have flagged the question instead. Or the other day I retracted my custom flag because I wanted to add information. Or if I realize that I was completely wrong.. So I suppose retracted flags aren't really flags. They only were flags
 
12:13 PM
I've retracted several mod flags to adjust writing/add more info
 
@Psychemaster reinstall and try this in a review queue github.com/samliew/SO-mod-userscripts/blob/master/…
can't test cos I'm a mod
 
Ooooh I love the view triage button
 
it's been there for quite a while already, you need to set the update interval from 30 days(?) to 6 hours
 
I've only recently changed to FF at work, chrome store is blocked but i can get FF extensions
so added tampermonkey just now
 
@SamuelLiew I'm not seeing the boxes you have in your image, it just ends after the 'link'
I can see in the log it's pulled the correct number of flags, though
 
12:22 PM
which review queue?
 
Triage specifically, but it doesn't appear in First Posts or Late Answers for me either
 
all for me, they're not there in any, but then i can only view old triage posts (hit cap for the day)
 
hmm
 
An error is getting caught in displayRemainingQuota
 
oh! you might not be able to view deleted posts, that's why
 
12:26 PM
correct, we're both <10k
 
while I can. gotcha
 
I'm like, the lowest form of user who can do any review actions
 
all users can do review actions
 
500 rep needed for the first few queues
 
Rep is needed for all except suggested edits on your own posts
 
12:29 PM
Well yea, but I have never actually posted a question :)
 
no, but you've posted answers ;p
 
This is true.
 
I found it very tricky to gain reputation without posting anything :D I suppose 1000 edits would be the way to go, and then.. that's it :D
 
ok, script should be fixed now
 
12:37 PM
oh is that right?
 
Seems to be
 
when you do stuff does the number go down?
 
only one way to find out
 
I'm going back to reviewing my 27 pages of Triage now :'(
 
OK, so I flagged a question, and it didn't update when the next question loaded
And now it doesn't show at all when I refresh
 
12:40 PM
Can't be right.. the default close vote count is 50 (but can only be used on ones own Questions as a low-rep user)
 
Might be worth hiding the close vote stuff for low rep users, since it's not relevant in review queues anyway (I would be very surprised if a user's own question/answer would appear in review queues for that user)
Unfortunately, I'm now down to zero flags, so further testing might be a problem
 
@Psychemaster Mañana ;)
 
It's okay, I'm sure there's plenty of other people willing to pitch in
 
12:59 PM
ok, what about now? github.com/samliew/SO-mod-userscripts/blob/master/… fingers crossed
 
looks good to me now
32 votes remaining, 100 flags
 
Samuel Liew has made a change to the feeds posted into this room
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Q: Finding the reason for closed review queues

JohanI noticed that the review queues on the stack overflow site has been closed for my user and I am curios about the reason. Is there any way for me to check this? As far as I know I have not failed any review audits lately and I do not know of any other reasons for review bans or suspensions. Are t...

 
and numbers go down correctly
 
Instead of using question ID = 1, I used the id of the most upvoted question that is still open
will break for other network sites until I fix a better solution
 
ahhh yes, because the oldest undeleted question is Q4
 
1:26 PM
@SamuelLiew Looks good to me
 
Don't distract him Psy, he's still got like 10 pages to go probably ;p
 
He'll be fine, I'm sure.
 
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Q: Review suspension appeal for actions on triage/25608161

qaisjphttps://stackoverflow.com/review says: Your review on triage/25608161 wasn't helpful. Please review the history of the post and consider which action would achieve that outcome more quickly. Come back in 7 days to continue reviewing. Three (including me) says "Looks OK". One said "Need...

 
12 more to go...
 
Why do people get downvotes for asking genuine questions? Its annoying! I think it needs looking into. we cannot use emotions in a community
Am looking at this appeal and he has 2 downvotes. what is the problem? How is this?
 
1:41 PM
Guess I shouldn't say I'm one of the now 4 downvoters
 
Can you please explain to me why?
 
@mw509 On meta the votes can indicate agreement, not whether or not the Question is good or bad.
 
I have looked at his review and I think the OP was too broad and needed focus on his question. However, I can't get a reason for his being downvoted for asking or appealing
 
His entire question is based around the argument that the question in question (heh) is totally clear, and not too broad... I disagree, it's too broad, and have downvoted to express my disagreement
 
@Scratte Right! that totally helps! so disagreement gets downvotes. I understand
 
1:43 PM
Not to mention it doesn't have any code on it
 
I understand now cos I was flaming. had a post on Meta Ex and got -10 I got so mad! and everyone just being emotional but I get it now
 
@Psychemaster Questions on SO doesn't need code, unless it's debugging or "homework" or ..something else that I don't remember. So it depends on the Question type.
 
Not to mention, if he wanted to appeal... he didn't do much appealing, instead what it looks like he wants from the question body is for the post to be re-opened and all of the reviewers to be unbanned, rather than just appealing his sentence
 
well if the question was reopened, it also means the reason for the review ban is invalid
 
Well it won't be so.....
/shrug
 
1:46 PM
So the question lacks code and what else? or how would it have been best presented?
 
some research would be nice, even if they'd said where they looked in the documentation
~~at which point they'd have the answer to their question~~
 
Right! got it!
 
Christ, they have the words, managed and role in their question title and know they're using discord.py, that alone is enough to find an answer
 
@mw509 Being emotional is normal, but very bad for your blood pressure. I go "meh" when I get down votes on my own posts on SO, even if I know my post is good. If my post is bad, I tend to go "ohh bugger.. I should improve this" :D
 
Others will disagree with me on that (I can think of one ex-mod in particular whom i'd disagreed with this on before), but IMO posts should put some attempt into trying to solve the problem themselves, and have something to show for it(anything, just show us you tried)
 
1:52 PM
@Scratte Agreed! especially in a time when you need your immune at full functionality!
@Nick, true! I also get the feeling some people have multiple accounts they use for asking poor questions
 
@Nick I don't agree with you either. Some Questions are just good. Nobody needs to see the self-punishment people went through to find an answer. I agree that they should present their work if it's relevant, but referencing to specifics in a language specification along with trials and errors are sort of useless if the Question is "How do I use this in order to option that"
 
@Scratte That's different to "google this for me" though, especially back in the day when those answers were harder to find
My most upvoted answer is on one of these questions, but is not something that can just be googled immediately
 
@Nick But googling is a skill too. Not in this case though as all the keywords are clearly there. But lets say I want to use a common pattern, but I have no clue about the name of the pattern. How do I google that?
 
again, that's not the case here
 
The thing that bothers me is probably the word effort. It's like people are not interested in seeing a clear and focused questions as much as seeing effort (which is not any measure of a good question at all). So instead of asking for clarity or more focus, they just post a comment asking the OP to show effort.
 
1:59 PM
Absolutely, I expect a clear and focused question where the OP has put in some effort ;p
 
@Nick I see what you did there :D
 
@SamuelLiew still awake?
 
just updated spreadsheet
 
You've been summoned
;p
 
ok done
 
2:08 PM
I expected you to be at sleep ...
 
<3
As I said, i'm sure people will disagree with my opinion, but that dupe perfectly explains why that question should've been closed
 
>.>
show off
 
There are a lot more that the query catches, but they don't have the minimum 2x "Requires Editing"
Plenty of all "Looks OK", too.
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25587215,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25586824,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25586353,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25586108,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25585547,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25585314,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25585265,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25584816
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25584318,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25584371,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25583264,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25582571,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25582015,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25581532,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25581504,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25581372
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25580396,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25580352,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25579279,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25579142,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25578990,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25578949,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25578299,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25578153,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25577780
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25577398,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25577096,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25576684,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25576410,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25575698,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25574479,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25571760,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25571680,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25569958,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25569896
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25568554,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25568367,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25567976,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25566870,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25565415,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25565128,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25564564,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25564216,
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25564113
That's all for last week's posts that met the criteria
86 in all
 
3:10 PM
bit of a shame there's no way of you knowing if they've been handled
 
3:24 PM
@Nick Not directly, no. But one of my filters is that no mod is in the post's history. That's about as close as I can get it
 
yeah, did see that
 
 
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5:20 PM
@DavidBuck Probably better to link to the actual review rather than the timeline, since Sam's script to hand out review bans works from the review page.
 
6:13 PM
3 "Requires editing" and 1 "Looks OK" where error information and json data are included as pictures rather than text stackoverflow.com/review/helper/25612598
@SamuelLiew I think there's a mistake in the recent edit you made to your "Triage needs..." post: "we are going to have 2000 banned reviewers around March [other information that's deleted] 1st". As March 1 predates the dates that have been deleted and is in the past, I suspect you may have meant APRIL 1... Although we seem to have passed this mark, according to other information you've provided in the last few hours?
 
6:52 PM
@Das_Geek Oops. I do know that. I have apparently just posted the wrong link this time. Thanks for posting the correct one.
 
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Q: Getting banned for almost a month just because I messed up one triage mod review is unnecessary

Kevin HernandezI love Stackoverflow and I love the fact that I've been here for so long that i get to do this stuff, it really makes me feel like part of the community, and i like being here, everyone is very helpful. That being said, ive got something that really annoys be about these review queues. I complet...

 
7:31 PM
Just googling the title of the question shows a ton of possible duplicates.
I only saw this because my dupe flag from First Posts was marked as "disputed".
 
@JanWichelmann I would be careful here; per the room guidelines the question should have some close votes or already be closed. Since you don't have enough rep to see CVs, I would avoid posting reviews here unless the question is closed.
 
7:52 PM
@Das_Geek Oh, alright, I did not know that this was meant as a hard restriction (I'm only following this room from time to time). I figured to still post it due to this statement, but will then refrain from doing so except for already closed questions :)
 
8:09 PM
@JanWichelmann Well there's nothing wrong with posting links like that. I would just advise not to do it too often, since still-open questions require more processing time for Sam; he's already spending a couple hours a day on this, so best to make the whole process as streamlined as possible :)
 
@Das_Geek Ok, thanks for clarifying!
 
 
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9:32 PM
@JanWichelmann In fact, that question does not have any close votes.
It also has only one user voting "requires editing", while the pinned message requires two
 
10:32 PM
@pppery Yes, as I said, I flagged this question as an obvious dupe (which I still believe is correct), and got confused when the flag was suddenly marked as "disputed".
I am reading meta a lot, and thus knew about the current Triage discussion, so I figured that posting here should be sensible.
I have myself used Triage for a few days when getting the first review privileges, but quickly got annoyed by all those simply voting for OK/Edit, even though the question was clearly off-topic or a duplicate ("Obviously a duplicate of some question you can find with about 15 seconds searching", from Triage FAQ).
But I fully agree with Das_Geek, that posting obvious cases here (as defined by the guideline) is much more efficient and thus a better use of Sam's limited time, especially since there are more than enough of those cases :)
 
user10957435
11:10 PM
@JanWichelmann Hey, someone who actually reads! Keep up the good work :D
 
@pppery one is fine too, I just need users to ban, y'know?
So the past week I have been experimenting the effectiveness of starting users with their first review ban at 8 days (instead of 4) as users do not know they are review banned due to poor UI.
 
user10957435
How is that working out so far?
 
Results have been great, I'm going to start first time reviewers at 16 tomorrow
keep them banned for longer so they can figure out the issue before continuing with more poor reviews
 
user10957435
Well I'm glad it's working out.
 
of course I'll still be lifting bans early for those who repent :p
 
user10957435
11:15 PM
So I have to ask: Is this room kind of like the Triage version of SOCVR?
 
kinda
reviews version of
 
user10957435
Obviously, there are differences, but sort of the same idea.
 
user10957435
Well I hope that one day we we'll no longer need it or SOCVR (because all the issues would be resolved), but until that day I hope it proves just as useful.
 
11:39 PM
@Chipster :D Thanks, doing my best ;) Although I must honestly say that reading meta (especially MSE) is quite addicting and takes a lot of time where nothing else gets done...
But anyway, I am happy that finally something gets done regarding Triage. IMO, the basic idea is good, but the implementation obviously just does not work out. Some answers in the meta post point out some interesting approaches to address this problem. I hope that the SO devs will implement one or a combination of those soon. In general, I believe that the review system is a bit "outdated" and inconvenient to use. Samuel Liew's and some other user scripts are a great help here already.
 
Shit audits like these aren't helping 😡
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25618117
 
May I ask what is wrong with the post? Why is it not focused?
 
Was just wondering the same
 

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