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12:00 AM
count how many questions are asked there?
simple.
Hint: there are three.
 
Missed the one without the Question mark :) But OK. The Question needs a rewrite from someone, but that could be me :)
 
"or it must be some special method with a library?" - software recommendation, if not too broad
either way it should have been closed
 
I feel like a lot of questions like that (ignoring the 2 extra questions where the asker doesn't have a clue where to start - assume the question were posed as "I have an image in X format - using Y library, how do I count the number of blue lines on a white background?") are actually too specific rather than not being specific enough.
 
"By the logic, I must find every blue pixel in the image and check, if the neighbors' pixels are white" - asking for a huge solution without any prior work
 
this is a bad example because yeah even then it's still vague
but Java questions like "round to the nearest 2.5" rather than just "round to the nearest X"
 
12:04 AM
@RyanMentley specific = one correct solution. Too broad = Needs more focus - if your question has many valid answers (but no way to determine which - if any - are correct), then it probably needs to be more focused to be successful in our format. See stackoverflow.com/help/closed-questions
 
Yeah, I mean more like the Java example above
I'm tempted to answer those sorts of things (where they aren't duplicates) by asking and self-answering the general case, then marking the original as a dupe, but that feels somehow wrong.
It's specific, there's a specific correct answer, and no one has asked previously about specifically rounding to 2.5...but also, the solutions for the numbers people have asked about generalize
 
@RyanMentley Why? I think the consensus is, that having a canonical target for all those dupes is the cleanest solution. IMO especially this question is a good candidate for this:
Create a question "how to round to nearest X" and then write a high-quality answer.
 
@SamuelLiew The "specific = one correct solution" seems to be a bit strict in the sense that different answers to a programming problem could be variations of a correct or valid answer. In the java tag there are usually multiple answers where each uses a different technique or a different library to get to the same result.
 
ok, one or two
Good morning. Currently, there are 2242 banned reviewers, out of which:
- 2109 (94.1%) users are banned for Triage reviews in one way or another
- 1644 (73.3%) users are banned for selecting "Requires Editing" in Triage when the question was unsalvagable
- 113 (5.0%) users are automatically banned for failing multiple review audits
- 548 (24.4%) users are banned for the first time
- 474 (21.1%) users have at least five review bans
- 114 (5.1%) users have at least ten review bans
- 100 (4.5%) users have a duration of at least 100 days, of which 18 users are perma-banned
 
12:32 AM
@SamuelLiew The pinned message says "at least two"; you should update it if one "Requires Editing" review is sufficient.
 
For now, please focus on only reporting completed Triage reviews in the past 7 days, with at least one vote for "Requires Editing", and the question has at least one close vote (or is already closed). Also avoid reporting reviews where where I have closed the question.
okay, that's a more accurate description now
@Das_Geek thanks, I've added a custom style to visited triage links in Chat, and I can see that I've already handled about half of them
the rest has been duitifully processed now
the query is good though, helps to prevent reviews from falling through the gaps
 
12:48 AM
at least one?! Well, I guess it's good I'm not using Chrome to support all these tabs that'll be open
 
1:16 AM
chrome working well so far for me, on 32gb ram with an SSD
 
1:34 AM
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Q: Reflection on temporary ban from Review Queue

Jeremy CaneyMy reviewing privileges were recently suspended because I marked a post as Requires Editing which was later closed as being Off Topic. I understand from reading the post linked from the suspension notification that this is because the subsequent reviewers found that no amount of editing could sal...

 
@SamuelLiew Check out that appeal, now that is what I call progress
 
user10957435
1:49 AM
@Scratte Regardless, it certainly shouldn't go to the H&I queue, which is where the user would have sent it.
 
2:04 AM
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Q: Change Request: Allow credit for only one review per reviewer question

hrokrI was reviewing questions on the SO triage queue. Because I'm new at it, I wanted to make sure that I was flagging a post for the appropriate reason. In order to do that I have to close the window. But it seems like if I close the pop-up window and review the material, when I'm done I'm credited ...

 
2:43 AM
@SamuelLiew - While I think raising the reputation requirement might a good solution, it might be a good idea to flip the order a bit and add another step such that:

New reviewers can edit grammar and spelling to increase readability
Experienced reviewers can flag and classify
Moderators can do their job better
 
@hrokr ok, do it.
 
3:02 AM
Well, considering I would just be editing for grammar and spelling, I don't see how I could make that happen. I figure that as a moderator folks might listen to you but definitely won't listen to me.

I'm absolutely willing to try though. I just need to find that wand around here somewhere.
 
3:59 AM
and how am I supposed to enforce that?
use the already blunt tool (review bans) to whack users?
 
 
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8:14 AM
So has there been a noticable improvement to triage yet?
 
8:50 AM
@Kevin I've just been through the Help and Improvement queue and flagged 1/4 of the posts for closure, so it's a bit better than some days...
 
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Q: Limited off-topic choice when flagging a question

Dorian TurbaI encounter a few times now a case where I want to flag a question to redirect it to another SE site, but the choices proposed at the end of the off-topic flagging process is too small. For example, when a question were asked in Portuguese, I cannot flag it as off-topic telling that this questio...

 
 
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10:10 AM
sorry I've been slacking a little today
 
10:20 AM
@SamuelLiew I didn't think that was a thing. Isn't the work suppose to be freely given?
 
[Why number is diff, missing something to understand] (i.stack.imgur.com/R3beR.png)
25 votes remaning -> 36 close vote left
 
10:39 AM
@Shree Perhaps it includes delete votes right now?
and you have 25 CVs + 11 delVs remaining?
(although from a quick look at the code that doesn't appear to be the case)
 
humm. Ok thanks. I totally forgot delVs.
 
11:12 AM
no idea, I got the number from the close and flag dialogs, then decrement the number when you perform a cv or flag
but I can't really test on SO because mods have unlimited votes
@Shree try refreshing the page and see if the number is refetched correctly
I don't think there is any easy way to check a user's delv quota
 
Refreshing page worked and give correct number. But any action on feedback doesn't refresh the page. For now when we need correct number we need to refresh page.
 
@SamuelLiew Does the style apply to just link text? Because then I might not bother to put line breaks between each link
Otherwise if having a wall of side-by-side links would be too noisy, I'll just keep doing as I have been
 
@Shree I think it was more written for working within the queue, if you have a tab open with the queue and you perform actions outside the queue it won't update, it is a queue helper after all, not a moderation helper ;p
 
11:42 AM
:D
 
@Das_Geek no, please keep one link per line, easier to open up links that way
 
I use an extension to block select links, so I can avoid selecting the ones I've already seen
 
12:06 PM
this pattern of dots makes me happy
 
@SamuelLiew Sounds good. I assume the comma-separated format (link, comma, newline, link, etc.) that I've done doesn't mess with anything?
 
yeah that's fine. you don't really need the comma
 
I wasn't sure haha. I'm not too familiar with chat whitespace rules, and what's ignored
test
test
huh
Cool, I'll just do that moving forward. I'll go back in my query to get the newly-eligible reviews.
 
12:22 PM
it's getting harder to review ban users... the review ban form page also comes together with the current list of review banned users
a workaround I could implement is to simply review ban users for a fixed duration and do not check their review ban history
so basically I bypass the page and perform the necessary form submission via ajax
 
12 month bans for everyone \o/
 
no, I was thinking of 365 by default
until SE can fix this
 
>.>
 
this will raise the urgency of the fix right?
 
I think so, did you see my message edit xd
 
12:25 PM
haha
 
Isn't SE already working on a solution?
 
I can't wait to see the meta posts from people saying that a one year ban is unacceptable :rolling_eyes:, you might need to update your canned message @SamuelLiew to mention getting their attention or something similar
 
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25603048
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25599836
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25599407
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25595932
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25593016
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25592576
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25592334
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25592205
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25591708
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25591467
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25591434
38 more
 
Oof, that scrollbar is kinda annoying ;p
 
Yeah...
 
12:29 PM
maybe stick to 15 per message?
 
scrollbar is fine actually
 
Ugh
@Nick Still adds scroll bar when I shorten
 
multi-line no links?
 
Meh, if it's fine it's fine
 
Probably best not to create a wall of text each time anyway
@SamuelLiew I don't think I understand that question
 
12:31 PM
I think it's my userscript
 
Lol, you already took care of everything?
 
yeah.. auto expands chat messages by default but doesn't convert them into links
 
Ah, I see. Is there a better way for me to format my messages then?
 
that's my fault :(
okay keep it to 10 per message for now
 
Want me to re-do the list?
 
12:36 PM
hold on I'm testing
hah okay fixed my userscript with some regex
 
That just sounds like you have two problems now :P
 
yeah as long as it works for now
so, we don't need to restrict the number of links per message now
 
Cool beans
I'll do as much as SE chat allows per message
 
Yikes.
 
1:04 PM
eww 6 pages of Triage history appeared when I was handling the backlog
never ending
 
What's minimum ban you're providing now sam?
I notice the 4 days has totally dropped off on your charts now
 
8
anything <= 4 are by audits
 
1:20 PM
^ all reports handled
backlog cleared
Currently, there are 2457 banned reviewers, out of which:
- 2325 (94.6%) users are banned for Triage reviews in one way or another
- 1809 (73.6%) users are banned for selecting "Requires Editing" in Triage when the question was unsalvagable
- 112 (4.6%) users are automatically banned for failing multiple review audits
- 644 (26.2%) users are banned for the first time
- 496 (20.2%) users have at least five review bans
- 113 (4.6%) users have at least ten review bans
- 100 (4.1%) users have a duration of at least 100 days, of which 18 users are perma-banned
most banned users in a day, for the past three weeks
off to bed now
 
o/
 
 
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2:41 PM
Would be fascinated to hear how anyone thought that that this needed a good edit...
 
Oof
 
3:09 PM
I read meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/394684/… and meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/295650/… this morning, but still fell into the trap of clicking in "requires editing" in the triage queue :(. I selected "requires editing" on stackoverflow.com/posts/60716562/revisions because I felt that it satisfied "Overhaul its substantial spelling/grammar/formatting errors." Any chance my ban be reconsidered?
I also feel like the closure of the question is incorrect. Isn't the accepted answer evidence that it was indeed answerable?
 
3:37 PM
@DelenaMalan Possibly in error, Sam is dealing with hundreds of posts per day and is only human, so may have been a mistake in this case, you'll need to wait til he's available (cc @SamuelLiew)
 
@DelenaMalan yes sorry that was in error. I've lifted your ban. However please also take a look at this other review you did stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25621746
 
My account cannot ask question anymore (banned). What should i do?
 
3:53 PM
 
4:13 PM
Thank you so much. Sorry for the trouble.
 
@DelenaMalan Np o/, do take note of what Sam said, the review he linked was unsalvagable, code has to be in the question itself, not a link to it and not a picture of it
and it is the authors responsibility to ensure that, editors should not copy code from an external site or transcribe it from an image
 
4:31 PM
@SamuelLiew FWIW my opinion: Don't. Making people aware is one thing; chasing people away who could become "good citizens" is something else. SO is aware of the problem - that's what you wanted. Getting people's attention is a good thing - we've seen a lot of reasonable and thoughtful reactions from people who could become part of the community. It would be wrong to chase them away.
You're obsessing somewhat, it seems to me, and possibly nearing a bad burn-out... I was really glad to learn you took Sunday off.
 
@CindyMeister The issue is with people whom we don't get the attention of, like in this case where a user was banned 5 times in 6 months and had no idea, while I think 365 days would be a stretch I wouldn't say no to defaulting to 4 week bans
(or claimed they had no idea)
 
 
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why would longer bans make people more likely to know they are banned?
(I'm assuming the problem is "people try to review, see 'there are no queues available to you', and think "huh, that's odd", rather than it indicating a ban)
 
@pppery If they do not log in they don't know they've been banned. Or if they do not understand why the drop down is telling them "There are no review queues available to you" and they do not go to investigate.. or if they only occasionally review.
 
If the problem was in fact that banned users make no attempt to review during their ban period, then the "make it more obvious you're banned" line of this chatroom would be unnecessary
(I wrote the above post before your reply)
 
(I didn't notice your other message before I hit enter :) )
 
I was thinking "why not write a script to calculate how frequently someone reviews", but then I looked at an actual user and noticed that frequency wasn't consistent.
 
11:17 PM
@pppery I don't do it consistently. Sometimes I don't for a week. Some days I only do 1. If I'm procrastinating I may do more than 10.
 
yeah, that
 
(but I did notice that I was under a ban, only because I went searching for an answer to why the drop down was giving me the "No... available.. ")
 
11:34 PM
Good morning. Today we continue our #raceto3000
Currently, there are 2448 banned reviewers, out of which:
- 2321 (94.8%) users are banned for Triage reviews in one way or another
- 1806 (73.8%) users are banned for selecting "Requires Editing" in Triage when the question was unsalvagable
- 106 (4.3%) users are automatically banned for failing multiple review audits
- 643 (26.3%) users are banned for the first time
- 491 (20.1%) users have at least five review bans
- 112 (4.6%) users have at least ten review bans
- 100 (4.1%) users have a duration of at least 100 days, of which 18 users are perma-banned
 
The number of banned users actually went down since the previous statistics dump
 

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