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1:30 AM
hello
lads
 
 
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2:43 AM
Wietlol's bot has more powerful than Wietlol lol
So then wietbot opensourced?
 
whats that for
 
@Wietbot ?
 
 
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4:55 AM
Gooood moorniiiiiiiing CeeeeeShaaaarp! Have you heard of our new hope, the Wietbot? He's dumb and gone, but maybe he will return, which is more than Cap does for us right now!
 
GoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOd Mornin' pleberinos!
 
Woah you're here early
 
HO
And your early 2
 
Home office
We get a new wall today, so literally our whole dev team is at home office
I finally got VSCode to start and debug Firefox
Turns out it doesnt work if you give it the absolute path to the FF exe in the settings, when FF is in a standard location. Very strange.
 
5:29 AM
word
weird
 
Im researching the audio equalizer should applied in consider of human loudness contour?
While,
the equalizer uses db at frequencies,
to targeted to the human ear perceiving balancing
But, according ISO 226:2003 the human loudness contour, db ≠ loudness
this mean, the equalizer are meaningless and unrelated to human ear perceiving
so what? equalizer just a toy?
 
5:58 AM
Lowering 1.5k - 4k according to loudness contour give more consistent loudness and significantly reducing acoustic reflex
 
6:15 AM
Good morning
Today is a good day to learn docker and kubernetes
@Squirrelkiller nice, work from home AND a free wall
Trump would be proud
 
@nyconing eh no.. if you can change the settings and hear a difference, then the equalizer is not "unrelated to human ear perceiving"
probably they just mean it doesn't follow some direct relationship to decibels
 
6:48 AM
I bought the new headset already, only mouse to go, and I believe I already know what I want
 
please dont say razer
 
anyone else notice a huge boost in the number of people using "gaming" chairs?
seems everyone on twitch uses some variation of the "gaming chair"
 
definitely
 
which is a little silly when you think about it
 
even supermarkets have gaming chairs now
 
6:51 AM
@Squirrelkiller It's not Razer of course.
@Neil I've had my gaming chair for a few years now, it's understandable, best ergonomics ever
 
meh, just a cool looking swivel chair at best
 
tgf a good gaming chair is awesome. Car seats arent shaped like that for nothing.
 
I can recommend my chair to anyone, no other chair I've had allows me to do 15h sessions for several days in a row without even one back ache
fully adjustable
 
*even
 
btw headphones were Phillips Audio Fidelio X2HR
@Squirrelkiller yep, ty
Now I am swirling around the idea of Logitech G305
 
6:56 AM
the real question here is: which chair?
 
I really like that mouse shape, IDK if there are similar ones
I have DXRacer F-Series, the original good quality one
 
looks...normal, not ergonomically shaped
(the mouse)
 
it has a flatter-than-average top
good button placement
and good shape in general
maybe it's missing a few slopes to make grabbing it easier
I guess the upgraded version would be the G pro wireless
which costs 3x
I can 3D print a honeycomb shell and put smaller batteries in it to reduce weight
I am not sold on the mouse however, looks like Roccat has a little more solid design, but the overall thing doesn't quite convince me
I am still open to suggestions
Glorious O looks like a decent mouse as well, but I'm also not sure
I'm not even sure if I want a wireless mouse to be honest, paracording seems pretty simple with all the internet guides
 
Man I miss my G5
Quite cheap, awesome grip, great duability
And that nice logitech scroll wheel
 
I've had 2 logitech mice, both had shit wheel
I'd appreciate if there was no horizontal tilting on them
 
7:11 AM
Really? I love that that is even possible, and on my G502 it also works pretty great
Got some logitech M205 or something at work. It has horizontal scrolling too, but painfully slow, like one character per click and the click is hardly noticable.
The G502 at home scrolls for like 30 character per click, and it's as noticable as a normal mouse click
 
G502, the 121g mouse
IDK why people like it so much, it's so overloaded
hard to twitch with it
I definitely want to stay under 85g
 
It has an awesome form, two buttons on top to quickly switch speed, on on the side to temporarily go sniper mode (super slow speed), switchable mouse wheel. All the things I need (except the sniper button, that's just for the lulz).
Also I kinda like heavier mice it seems
They made the G500 though, which has the style of the G5 with a bit more ergonomic form, and is still cheap. Seems worthy to check out.
 
meeeh I want something flat
kinda like zowie mice, but not so overpriced
also I've been looking into having more side buttons
 
Ah I see. I mean, I have a Microsoft design mouse lying around here, really flat, but really too flat IMO.
 
I think I could work with 4 buttons
Hey, @Wietbot's human
 
7:20 AM
my mouse has been fine for the most part
the one complaint I have is that it is great for scrolling with the mouse wheel, but if you want to use it as a third mouse button, it's near impossible
it makes games which rely on the third mouse button challenging for me
I have to change the configuration
 
Which mouse do you have?
 
so I'm like pressing Q whenever I want to do the middle mouse button action
cheapo logitech mouse
 
Also what games rely on the third mouse button?
 
@nyconing tonight... if I get the stuff to work
 
more than you'd think
a lot of shooters require middle mouse button
and you'll usually find out mid-game which is freakin' great
 
7:22 AM
@Wietlol add editorconfig for easy formatting
 
I am not sure how the editorconfig works tho
keep in mind, this is not a .net bot
 
Ah right. And that in a .net room...
Anyway, editorconfig is not actually a .net thing
 
I have very specific formatting settings baked into IJ
 
Try to find some kind of export button?
 
I doubt editorconfig is designed for the complexity it has
I guess I could try... its a common thing I suppose
 
7:25 AM
I mean, intellij can make their own editorconfig properties easily. JB did it for resharper.
 
> Go to "File->Settings->Editor->Code Style". At the bottom of the right pane there is a section for Editor Config options, which now includes an "Export" button. This will only export formatting options that are available in the Editor Config specification.
 
Something around here I'd guess
 
it has the option... but...
> This will only export formatting options that are available in the Editor Config specification.
 
I mean, it's a good start
You could also try to find some kind of linter that fails the pipeline in a Merge Request if the code style doesnt fit
 
I havent set up a build pipeline tho
:D
considering this application's runtime environment is completely different from what I am used to, I have no idea how to actually deploy it automagically
basically, all my applications are either client applications, which you download or update, or AWS Lambda functions
this one... is different
I tried setting up a lambda and opening a web sockets connection, but the connection gets lost when the startup request ends
 
7:31 AM
Well how is it hosted?
Also, Bitbucket again?
 
its hosted... as a console application on a VPS
probably really common for everyone else
but I never did it that way
 
maybe fork the rlemon js bot?
 
"trust anchor for certification path not found."
during an api call from client to api.
 
7:47 AM
@Neil I play a lot of FPS and never came across one that needs the middle mouse button
 
@HéctorÁlvarez good for you
 
I mean which ones you found?
 
@Neil You never actually answered my question though: What game needs a middle mouse button?
 
I've literally always had trash mouse wheel like it is staple with Logitech, so never really used it
scroll is great though
 
@Squirrelkiller I don't recall
Is this so important?
 
7:52 AM
mouse is for the weak
 
Do I need to leave work real quick so I can go home and check?
I don't recall, sorry...
 
31 mins ago, by Neil
more than you'd think
 
@Squirrelkiller yes, because it has happened on more than one occasion
 
Seems to be more than one that spontaneously come to your mind
But more than one occasion might mean the same game
 
Well that would imply there is still at least one, right?
 
7:54 AM
So yeah, I'll believe you when you give me a concrete name :P
 
But feel free to call me a liar. I really don't care if you believe me honestly
 
ok
@Neil Liar!
@Wietlol You could put it into a container and just let that do the deployment
 
iDunno
I'd have to figure out what my options are
 
!~welcome
@nyconing Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
@Neil Well I'm genuinely curious
@nyconing ew
 
8:04 AM
!~zalgo meow
@nyconing m̶̦̹͍̟͔̪̘ͣ̈͒͂͆ͅe͖͓̙̪̟͕̯̰̒ͧő̶̢̲̯̦̰ͯͦ̾͗ͥͪ͟w̴̨̥̱͒͆̏̎̃ͧ̀̇͟
js bot works perfectly
 
Your bot is really efficient at handling stuff quickly
 
until you shut down your machine
 
surprising for an inferior scripting language
probably because it's running locally
 
nah I have windows server on aws
!~die
 
!~Are you dead?
 
8:14 AM
o/
 
i see robots are improving
 
ahhhhhhhh
got me
 
:)
crazy, right?
modern technology is crazy
 
8:30 AM
I clicked that link... and then I was like "shit, youtube, abort abort abort"
 
ah ha!
 
Hiya
 
As per tradition, you guys have to star it now
 
you can
ooh, I can make Wietbot star it
 
nope
Not a good idea
 
8:34 AM
o/
 
1) Semantically, that would be not ok since Wietbot can't be tricked into opening the link and therefore doesn't apply.
2) Golden Rule: Don't have your bot, in any way, interact with you. I think staring a message that you star is interacting.
'sup roach boy
 
i miss cap
 
\o
 
ya me too
Suddenly everyone and their mum is trying to build a bot
 
I don't think my mom is trying to build a bot, but I'll ask her
 
8:38 AM
someone make a bot and call it caprica 7
 
Oh my
I'd probably give mine a mecha squirrel personality
 
@Squirrelkiller Only if you fall for it, right?
 
Exactly
 
wow
 
Hey he just has big fur!
Just shear him and...
 
8:46 AM
hahaah
 
So...can I build a windows service using dotnet core? Can I jsut use the worker service template?
 
9:14 AM
@Squirrelkiller should work: devblogs.microsoft.com/aspnet/… - let me know if you do it :) I've been meaning to try it out but haven't had the time yet
 
@erotavlas oh, right
 
Hope I can make a non-web-service with that^^ thanks :)
 
it can! running as a Windows Service, if it isn’t then it noops which makes this method safe to be called when running locally or when running as a Windows Service. You don’t need to add guard clauses to it and can just run the app normally when not installed as a Windows Service.
 
noice
 
 
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10:24 AM
English question:
What does "Please add inline" mean (in an email)?
 
whats the context
 
In addition, we would like to gather the following information. Please add inline:

*(some questions bellow )
 
You can add an image inline into an email, as opposed to as attachment. It will show directly in the Email, between the text.
 
answer the questions in the email
 
Inline == right here where the other stuff is, not extra
 
10:27 AM
as in not in an attachment
 
They say you shouldnt write a whole new block with the answers, but instead jsut add your answers to the questions directly where they are
 
so it means that "just reply to the email". thanks
 
Fucking users
Why are they so retarded
 
cause theyre not developers
 
Even developers are retarded
The difference is: We know when we act retardedly
 
10:39 AM
tru
 
Oh at least, we sometimes know
 
my go-to analogy is that in the world of programming and specifications, we're the only ones who can see farther than 3 meters ahead
so the client says, take me over there, and we can see there's a freakin' canyon in the way and we know the best way to circumvent it
doesn't mean client always listens, or that the easiest way is particularly easy
but at least we see the path
 
I'm running into a weird issue - the message of my exception is the value of a parameter?
public void HandleItem(string item)
{
    try
    {
        _worker.Process(item);
    }
    catch (Exception e)
    {
        Console.WriteLine(e);
        // _logger.Error(e);
    }
    finally
    {
        Thread.Sleep(1000);
    }
}
results in Console.WriteLine(item);
 
10:56 AM
@notatroll apparently it is what the implementation of your exception returns on ToString
you might try e.Message
See if that's any different
 
I don't understand why an error message would ever be a parameter value?
And .Message returns the exact same thing.
 
you're right, it doesn't make sense
but it doesn't depend on you
depends on the implementation of the exception being thrown
 
11:11 AM
If I go throw new ArgumentOutOfRangeException(myParameter), then the message of the exception is the value of myParameter.
I have seen this being done.
Usually not too helpful.
 
11:27 AM
to get a good message from your exception, ToString is often the right answer
but this is not always true
the major information you need is in the type, message, call stack and additional properties of the specific exception
that last one is a pita
 
hello everyone
can anybody help me regarding backgroundworker ?
I don't find this into toolbox . can anybody tell me how to add this into toolbox?
 
How even can it return my parameter value??
I'm using C#'s try catch
 
take @Squirrelkiller's example throw new ArgumentOutOfRangeException(myParameter)
that's how. you pass it when you create the exception
 
@notatroll what do you expect Console.WriteLine(e) to do?
keep in mind, your console cannot write anything except for characters (and thus strings)
 
11:45 AM
@ZMAX I feel like a backgroundworker shouldnt be in the toolbox, but somewhere in your controller
 
> I feel like a backgroundworker
I have trouble reading... sometimes... this pops up
 
mr5
Did he transform as background worker?
 
 
12:01 PM
@Wietlol I expect to see the stacktrace and message of the exception... not a parameter value
 
keep in mind, it is not a "parameter value", it just is the same value as you send as an argument to some function
what Console.WriteLine(e); does is Console.WriteLine(e.ToString());
the ToString method on the exception is what determines what gets shown and what not
perhaps look at the code of that exception?
you might find some interesting code
 
How is my exception equal to a parameter's value? I've checked the string its printing and I only ever reference that hardcoded in 1 location which is when I send it to the method.
I would understand if I was setting it to that value
 
your exception is not equal to your value
but the ToString() of your exception could simply return that value
but the only way to find out is to look at the code of that exception
 
mr5
@nyconing which website is it again for checking typhoon forecasts?
 
w3schools?
 
12:14 PM
@Wietlol the real question would be, is it worse or better at giving typhoon forecasts than it is at giving actual javascript information?
 
hmm...
 
mmmkay what's going on with stack right now?
 
what's not going on with stack right now?
 
why did it just flake out for like 5 minutes?
 
I didn't notice, honestly
 
12:22 PM
Maybe the mods started an uprising and it crippled under the load of "duplicate" posts and answers which aren't "Jquery"
 
12:33 PM
Code?? @Wietlol
 
code
 
System.Exception doesn't have code I thought?
 
Of course it does
 
I dont think it is System.Exception tho
and yes, it has code
 
Also if you throw it yourself, why not throw a more specific exception?
 
12:35 PM
Imho, it has waaaay too much code
 
Well I don't have any property called ErrorCode - am I missing something?
.ErrorCode is how I usually get exception error codes
 
ew, error codes
can you do something like Console.WriteLine(e.GetType().FullName) ?
 
Uh AFAIK Exceptions dont have errorcodes
 
.GetType() returns System.Exception.
I'll do .FullName now
 
None of my errors have codes. I wish I could say the opposite.
 
12:39 PM
Can you make a screenshot from a place where you get an ErrorCode from an exception please?
 
FullName returns the same thing
 
you mean it throws an exception?
 
He means it returns System.Exception
@notatroll Where and how do you throw that exception?
 
^
 
A simple try catch
I don't throw it
 
12:41 PM
a try/catch doesnt throw an exception
 
I guess I catch it?
 
Yes, you catch it. Who throws it?
Also have you tried debugging into there and check runtime values?
 
I'm using VS for Mac its pretty shitty especially how I haven't fully learnt how to use it yet.
I'm not sure who throws it I guess it does it under the hood.
 
So there is your root problem: You're using a Mac.
2
 
I can give it a go at setting a breakpoint
 
12:44 PM
can you create an mcve?
or whatever it is called nowadays
 
dotfiddle?
 
You can use dotnetfiddle, yes
 
My app is relatively large
I have a git repo if that helps?
 
Hi folks, do you know the answer of my question below?
0
Q: Is there any other way to allow other devices on the same network to access IIS Express on a development machine?

Artificial StupidityToday I found Conveyor with the following quoted from its site. Conveyor is a Visual Studio extension, designed to take the hassle out of testing your application across devices. Created by Keyoti Inc., Conveyor allows developers to access the Visual Studio development server from devices acr...

 
that is not minimal tho
 
12:49 PM
I think the whole repo is way too much.
 
MVCE = Minimal Verifyable, Complete Example
 
Build an MCVE and we can help you
 
your situation must be able to be reproduced with just a few lines of code tho
 
@ArtificialStupidity "yes"
 
@MikeTheLiar How?
 
12:51 PM
You'll need to be more specific about "other devices"
 
android devices rather than emulators or simulators.
other computers as well
for example my partners want to try consuming my webapi.
 
The answers are very different for both of those things.
435
Q: How to enable external request in IIS Express?

TedTelHow can I enable remote requests in IIS Express? Scott Guthrie wrote that is possible but he didn't say how.

 
Isnt it always basically "open op your shields"?
 
Open the blast doors to your heart
 
Thank you all for your useful guidance! I am reading the links......... :-)
 
1:23 PM
How do I send a running windows service a command? Like, I wanna go to my cmd and write MyService doSomeStuffand my Service get's a signal to some ExecuteCommand method or something?
 
Managed to fix it, I was throwing a custom exception which inherited from System.Exception that was still being caught as System.Exception
 
custom exception with fullname of the type System.Exception ?
that sounds... horrific
or you are Microsoft, in which case, System.Exception is a custom exception after all
 
Eactually that sounds as if that custom exception was caught somewhere and then another exception got thrown as throw new Exception(customException.Message) or something.
 
I accidentally pushed sensitive information to a currently private repo around 30 commits ago - I want to make this public but don't want to expose the sensitive information, what do you guys suggest I do?
 
dont add sensitive information
that is a good suggestion
 
1:35 PM
For sure
 
I would simply set up a new repo
 
But you can't change the past - or can you?
 
I dont really care about the history being public
 
It kinda explains a lot about the project - just seems a shame to clear it and then people don't know why I did certain things etc.
 
Rebase!
Make it so that the sensitive informatio nnever existed
Although it seems quite important to the project
 
1:38 PM
rebase is like create a new repo, right?
starting from commit x
 
I mean it only existed because I hard coded something instead of fetching it from what would of been an external api but then forgot to revert it before I commit
30 commits later I realized it was still there.
 
am I glad I never wrote my username or password for Wietbot in the code :D
... but even then, I just make a new repo when it goes public
so, noone would ever know if I did
 
Rebase can change history
completely
 
rebase is evil
 
You can go "let me jsut go back 54 commits and change this line right here"
 
1:39 PM
Back to the future!
 
And it will be like it always has been this new line
That's teh good thing about how git works. You only change diffs.
 
git saves differences
 
I could use bfg --delete-files YOUR-FILE-WITH-SENSITIVE-DATA but the sensitive data is right in the middle of a large class.
 
I think for optimization, they also hold entire files, but they can rebuild it from the original and all the differences
 
@notatroll Find out exactly how many commits ago you hard coded the information. Then go `git rebase -i HEAD~x`, x being the number of commits you need to go back. You will get a txt file with a commit list. Go to the commit you want to change, and instead of "pick" you write "edit" or "e". Save and close the file. Now go into your code and change it - carefully, as all commits after this need to be applied to this.
When you're done editing, do `git add .`, `git commit --amend`, `git rebase --continue` - and pray to whatever you believe in that 30 commits will just work after that without y
Technically, if the sensitive data is jsut a string, you could simply change the string to something like [Data expunged] during the rebase.
And yes, I rebase often
 
1:45 PM
REDACT
 
It was 11 commits ago - not sure if that makes it easier.
I've also removed it 2 commits ago.
 
way easier than 30. I have rebased 11 commits before, that's ok.
Then when you write git rebase --continue, it will continue until the commit where you removed it and then go "YOU HAVE MERGE CONFLICTS - RESOLVE THEM AND THEN CONTINUE" and it will look very intimidating, but Visual Studio Team Explorer will hold your hand and go "here look at these two files and tell me which line is better - right side or left side?".
 
So my first command is git rebase -i HEAD~11?
 
Is there any way for it to open in something other than vim? lol
 
1:55 PM
lol yes, you can sue the git settings to tell it which editor to use
if you jsut delete everything in that file and save and close it will abort the rebase and return to where you were before
 
thank you
 
No problem man. Rebasing is an amazing feature of git, and everbody should know how to use it.
 
"Go to the commit you want to change" I'm guessing I repeat this X times for each commit after I commited it?
 
From my git config:
core.editor='C:\Program Files (x86)\Notepad++\notepad++.exe' -multiInst -notabbar -nosession -noPlugin
You only change the one commit that added the sensitive information. Everthing after that will stack on that.
 
Cool I've changed 'pick' to 'edit' but no conflicts showing up in VS code.
 
1:59 PM
not yet it isnt
 
ah it just reverts
I see
 
now you're in edit mode - now you can change your commit
Now - you can change the past, so impact the future.
Save the cheerleader, save the world!
 
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