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user3956566
12:14 AM
@CindyMeister hm possible
 
user3956566
I hate this type of thing, I wake up and this person has gone from thanking me to working themselves up again and accusing me of shaming them. No responsibility for their part in tossing around accusations. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/389372/…
 
4:21 AM
@yivi May I edit your answer with the quote as ESR wrote it or do you want it left paraphrased?
(Why do I have this sort of thing memorized)
 
4:42 AM
@BoltClock edit away, of course. Thanks.
 
 
2 hours later…
6:20 AM
@YvetteColomb Just woke up myself to this. Good grief! Even changed his display name. Should have left it closed, I guess... OTOH our community continued to show considerable restraint.
On reflection I have to wonder whether the person went off to some chat, forum or whatever and got "whipped up" by others there...
FWIW I just posted a comment on that person's answer...
 
 
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user3956566
9:32 AM
@CindyMeister unable to take feedback
 
user3956566
9:50 AM
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Q: Can we subscribe to have notifications for favorited questions or possibly a subscribe button?

Accountant مIs there any way to get the same updates of the my favorite questions but instantly in my messages inbox (in the same way we get inbox notifications when someone mentioned @ me in a comment). Or to be able to subscribe to updates on a question? So we can receive an inbox message when any activit...

 
user3956566
Interesting idea. Not sure if it's worth the development time, there's some other things the site needs, but still an interesting request
 
user3956566
> From the bottom of my heart I want to thank every programmer helped me, taught me by any way, I hope you make a lot of money and happiness from programming - the most beautiful career on earth

*EDIT:

2018-MAY-03 is one of the most important days in my life. I made a deal and started to make my money from coding along with accounting. So I'm officially a professional programmer not a hobbyist anymore.
 
user3956566
What a sweetheart
 
user3956566
someone's profile.
 
user3956566
I refeature this meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/388117/… so people could come and join us - perhaps steal @NickA' s popcorn and genereally chew the meta fat
 
user3956566
9:59 AM
Now I'm hungry - all this talk about popcorn
 
@YvetteColomb That feature has been requested since about a decade ago...
 
user3956566
@MadaraUchiha meh, mark is as a duplicate?
 
@YvetteColomb If you find a good one, or wait until I get back home from work D:
 
user3956566
@MadaraUchiha I'm doing half hearted meta. Not long got home and want to have a bath :)
 
10:08 AM
Yup, 2010, and I have an upvote on that
I wasn't far off with my decade assessment :D
 
10:32 AM
Hmm, so much has happened in a decade o.O
Reflecting itself on every interaction, even something as obscure as policy making on a programming website.
I feel like I should say something deep.
@YvetteColomb Programming is . . . beautiful?
 
Something deep: Marianas trench
 
Hey everything sounds deep if you do a dramatic pose and stare into the sunset. "What does it mean no refunds for chewed bubble gum? What does it mean?"
 
11:01 AM
That doesn't sound deep. Sorry.
 
@Mithrandir I can't hear you, sorry. Meditating at a subterranean cave ATM. #Seafood #Inner_peace
#Pissed_off_Kraken
 
#Tamatoa
 
#Jaws_is_a_dork_IRL
And a bit like Harvey Two Face, hmm.
 
Zoe
@YvetteColomb I vaguely remember something similar in SOX
 
Zoe
11:25 AM
Guess not
 
12:05 PM
hello
 
Zoe
12:59 PM
o/
 
user3956566
1:24 PM
A heads up:
 
user3956566
> I deleted this. This meta site isn't here for people to use as a boxing ring. It's for support and discussion about the main site. We've been through people's behaviour and code of conduct and it should be obvious to any regulars what will be tolerated. So quit it. – Yvette Colomb♦ 2 mins ago
 
user3956566
The comments and flags on this - it's like referring a rugby match. We've gone well and truly past this on meta. I like to remain transparent and open to feedback about these types of actions, hence posting in here about it
 
user3956566
cc @Makoto @CindyMeister we can always undelete this and apply a lock. I appreciate you've both provided answers
 
user3956566
1:41 PM
@Zoe SOX?
 
Zoe
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Q: Stack Overflow Extras (SOX)

ᔕᖺᘎᕊ SOX v2.6.0 Stack Overflow Extras (SOX) is a project that stemmed from the Stack Overflow Optional Features (SOOF) project. The SOX userscript adds a bunch of optional features to all sites in the Stack Exchange network. These can be toggled on or off from an easy to use control panel (see s...

 
As far as I'm concerned, @YvetteColomb, you can leave it deleted. Were there additional comments added in the last few hours? Or did its presence just bother you?
 
user3956566
@Zoe hm interesting
 
user3956566
@CindyMeister yeh. a lot and some flags to go with them.. I'd have to check the time frame. Another mod had already nuked half of them , there was a whole new batch by the time I found it
 
Zoe
It has (had? Can't find it) a feature to notify you when a post you downvoted is edited. It's not general enough to qualify for requirements outlined in the FR
yeah, probably removed.
 
1:47 PM
@YvetteColomb Yeah, a big part was moved to chat, then another person chimed in and opened a chat with me, personally, but has not yet folllowed up on it. The opening from that person was along the lines of "Well, your post bothered me less than those of those other idiots. I'll get back to you."
I wrote a long reply that started with "I don't consider my colleagues idiots." And went through the entire spiel about "You come here for years because of the quality? How do you think we maintain quality - exactly through those things you're complaining about."
 
user3956566
@Zoe it's got a heap of features
 
Zoe
Yeah, it's one of the biggest userscripts I know of
 
user3956566
@CindyMeister honestly. I want to do a vlog about it. I'm tired of being held over a barrel over this type of thing. Yes we can be unwelcoming at times. BUT the code of conduct applies to everyone
 
user3956566
@Zoe I'll explore it. The only issue is, it's not scaling well for my zoomed browser. All my text is scaled up and so's my browser on top of that... needing glasses and not using them
 
Zoe
It doesn't really work optimally in FF. I tried it out again today (I used it a couple versions ago), it kinda glitched out a lot of features. Especially the "x new comments" while typing a comment (either that or the URL is just relocated somehow and in a way I can disable, in which case I'm just being stupid ^^")
 
user3956566
1:52 PM
as I mentioned - I featured this meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/388117/… but more so people would know the room is here. It's probably not really the question we need to advertise the room- but i don't really want to write a question- "hey we have this chat room"
 
@YvetteColomb I've been wondering what the take of the PTB is/would be on these interactions. Would they stand behind the community? Or undermine us (again)? I know you don't like conspiracy theories, but I almost get the feeling there's something semi-organized going on "out there" that's trying to break the guidelines by exerting continual pressure with these same question, again-and-again-and-again.
I wonder if it doesn't need a statement from the PTB that emphasizes the rules will be enforced... (IF that's true.)
 
Zoe
PTB?
 
@Zoe "Powers that be"
 
Zoe
oh
 
user3956566
@CindyMeister I actually had a chat with Zoe about being paranoid - and I understand it. I've been paranoid on here myslef at one point. It was only having partial information and of that it was not nearly enough to put the pieces together
 
user3956566
1:55 PM
I talk a lot to the community team. And I've made my opinions known to them and the mod team more clearly than most would care to know probably.. I'm not sure
 
Not being paranoid about the site owners, but the kinds of people that bash the site on social media, etc. And the effect this is having on the owners, especially given the welcoming action.
 
user3956566
I left social media, tbh I have zero respect or time for it.
 
user3956566
for many reasons, security perhaps being the major one.
 
user3956566
The amount of garbage on it
 
I never even started with it FWIW...
 
user3956566
1:58 PM
I want to write something up- I think we are due for something. I've been a harsh critic at times of our own community, but at the same time, that doesn't give people a free walk to treat people badly with the caveat "but you are all mean on Stack Overflow" honestly that doesn't wash either
 
@YvetteColomb Agreed, but... Are the people at who it's aimed going to read it? I don't get the impression these are Meta regulars.
 
user3956566
I'll ask @Shog9 for some more info on user attrition etc. it would be good to get some benchmarks - or comparison from the last benchmark.. I'm a bit tired so not expressing myself well
 
If we had something definitive from the PTB so that we could close such rants as Duplicates, then lock so that discussions don't even get started.
 
user3956566
@CindyMeister I'm thinking of going places other than SO to make my opinion known - fwiw
 
Zoe
@CindyMeister Tbh, I think the only way any meta posts end up getting read by non-meta regulars is it being linked somewhere. [featured] helps, but it existing lets people link to it (but it also depends on what type of post Yvette has in mind - not all posts are easy to sneak into a relevant discussion)
 
user3956566
2:02 PM
@CindyMeister the ptb are leaving a lot of this with mods. I let them know what I did in the mod chat room and asked for feedback. With every step I take on meta I always check back with them
- timeout
to see if I have their support
 
@Zoe And if she's going off-site, linking will be even more an issue...
 
user3956566
blinking server
 
Zoe
@CindyMeister Yeah.
 
user3956566
@Zoe yep whatever I do. I'll link things up.
 
@YvetteColomb Blinking server = time to go to bed :-) Everything will still be here tomorrow...
 
user3956566
2:03 PM
lol
 
Zoe
@Zoe I was being stupid :]
 
user3956566
@Zoe ah ok. thanks for the heads up
 
Zoe
"Copy 'show x more comments' link to the top" broke it for some reason. Maybe it was moved to the top instead when a comment is written? iDunno. Disabled it, and it worked (at lesat in a basic test in the sandbox on MSE ^^")
 
user3956566
@Zoe at some point, maybe we can have a private chat? There's some things that may help us if we can talk privately - if you're open to that? re old stuff, but always good to get an understanding between people
 
Zoe
Sure
 
user3956566
2:05 PM
thanks :) not right now, when I'm having trouble speaking English lol
 
user3956566
ok I'm going - just wanted to say @CindyMeister my horses are doing well. I hope yours are well too :)
 
Zoe
oki ^^ Just ping me whenever you got time
 
user3956566
will do. sometime this week. I have a bit of work to do as well
 
3:32 PM
@YvetteColomb I'm indifferent to whether or not that actual question survives. My only real hope is that some Community Manager sees that and adds this to what is an ever growing list of real hostility towards the power users and curators of the site.
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Other than that...meh. It's the same old thing that happens. People flame out or rage quit over their question being closed, and rather than look at why, they instantly think it's the people who closed the question who have the issue. I'm over wringing my hands at that kind of back-and-forth. I'll save my energy for someone who wants to engage.
 
Hi everyone!
I am here thanks to Yvette Colomb because I think that "power users" are becoming more and more lazy on some SO sites like Chemistry and French, as some very clear questions are either closed or put on hold, and there are very little we can do about it. I would like to change that.
 
@SteffX, please note that this chatroom is for SO's meta.
I think that discussion is more fitting on Stack Exchange's chat
(Stack Exchange is the company that runs those sites. Stack Overflow is only one of them)
If you have a topic that's specific to Stack Overflow, this is the place.
 
Thanks @Cerbrus. Would you have an URI for the Stack Exchange chat?
 
3:47 PM
Thank you very much!
 
I'm not sure which room would be best, though.
 
@Cerbrus - honestly it was Yvette that linked them here.
 
Maybe just asking a question on stackexchange.com would be better
 
@SteffX This particular comment kind of exemplifies a bit of my own frustration with the situation. You're saying that we're "lazy" because we closed a question. It's your opinion and you're entitled to it, honestly.
 
@Makoto If they wanted a discussion with Yvette, yes.
 
3:49 PM
But I want you to compare that to this Meta question in which someone came to us asking how to improve their question.
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Q: How can I improve my question, and what could be the reasons it got one downvote?

sequenceAfter waiting for 6 months for my ability to post questions on Stack Overflow again I did a careful job at trying to be as specific and detailed as possible and I was met with a downvote again, without a reason for the downvote being given. My question Change variables in place in void function ...

The difference is night and day - someone said they wanted to be sure their question was as clear as possible and were looking for ways to improve. @SteffX, your remark was one of accusation in that it must be the power users' fault that your question was closed.
To level with you - I just got back from a conference and have a large slide deck to prepare. I have a training coming up tomorrow at 8AM at work. I have several dozen reams of paperwork to finish because I'm a state employee and per diems do not play games. I also have other paperwork to finish not related to any of the above.
It's inequitable to expect me to receive a comment like "power users are lazy" in remarks to wanting to help with your question. That kind of remark makes me want to just not engage.
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I'd recommend that you change your perspective and try again.
 
4:14 PM
ooh this is a spiffy room
 
@connectyourcharger Just be careful with any food. It's likely to be stolen.
 
Zoe
And thrown around every Wednesday
aw, the food fight is canceled?
 
People just kept on eating the food instead of throwing it.
 
4:54 PM
@Lewis you mortals cannot digest my alien food
 
@connectyourcharger You mean jalapeňos?
 
@JohnDvorak you know it
 
"mortals". *scoffs*
 
I can digest jalapeňos. Whole, even. And it's not even painful more than once.
 
5:19 PM
@JohnDvorak Should we be concerned?
 
no.
 
 
1 hour later…
6:34 PM
@YvetteColomb do you mind?
 
Zoe
6:48 PM
pff, I've been stealing your popcorn every time you look away c:
 
Popcorn sucks
Blowing at empty bags of popcorn
 
@YvetteColomb do you have the "active users" chart in /analytics?
 
@SteffX Thank you! I am very honored that you believe I am a lazy person, as someone who still sometimes helps out with moderation on Chem.SE. However, you can glimpse at the humongous effort on meta.Chem over the years to help with the whole homework situation (admittedly, still a bit fruitless) and add your input where it can be defended, discussed, and improved upon.
 
user4064062
7:14 PM
Hm.
 
Oh, Hm'er spotted.
@Loong Is that Z = 119?
 
user4064062
That's not official yet.
 
user3956566
8:44 PM
@SteffX welcome! I wanted to ask you here, because I deleted your question on MSE
 
user3956566
@SteffX to discuss the other sites, you would need to go to another chatroom, this chatroom is for Stack Overflow.
 
user3956566
@Shog9 yes I must use these analytics more often. I forget they're there
 
user3956566
soz shoggles
 
...that's probably one of the more odd messages I've seen here yet.
 
user3956566
:)
 

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