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6:48 AM
Hiya!
 
Ahh due to new change cv-pls request show alert warning for NATO post (Regarding not recent activity). cc / @Makyen
 
7:08 AM
Quick question: How to craft/find the review for a disputed flag?
 
 
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8:21 AM
o/
 
@MichaelDodd also close and delete the Q
 
8:36 AM
Oh dear, someone else is now spamming the suggested edit queue with pointless formatting suggestions
*sigh* Reject & Edit time...
 
9:14 AM
@AJ please do not translate for the OP. This because of two reasons: 1) things can get lost in translation, especially when using machine translation; 2) we cannot be sure that the OP speaks English at all, and thus is able to respond to comments/answers addressed to them. Thus letting the OP translate serves as a language check.
 
@Adriaan Just to add the relevant meta for this as well
 
@MichaelDodd ta, I'm usually too lazy to search for it
 
@Adriaan Got it added as a favourite
 
@MichaelDodd Urf, and someone else decided to add the translation as comment -.-
 
A J
9:31 AM
@Adriaan OK. No problem. On Movies & TV SE, I usually translate foreign parts.
 
@AJ weird that it's a SO policy then, and not a network-wide one (a user very active on another site just added a translation as well as comment)
 
A J
Mostly, it's quotes from movies.
 
Rob
It's not a CM-backed initiative, but rather, a site consensus
 
@AJ ah, that makes sense. Although I'd keep the original in a quote-formatted block, and then a translation underneath it.
@Rob thanks for the info
 
Rob
If SO was smaller, it might make sense to help with translations, but given the volume... well... it's not so useful
 
9:37 AM
If people are viewing the world through their machine-translation browser that's their prerogative. When posting here, they at least should consciously choose to machine translate their own post to English, thus signalling that they at least know that the site is not in their native language. Whether they then choose to view everything again through a translator is not our problem.
 
@Shree Thanks. Now that you mention it, it's obvious that would happen.
@xdtTransform If the post went through an actual review queue, then there is an entry in the post's timeline, which you can click on to look at the review. Flags can also be disputed directly by moderators. To get to the timeline, I use SE Modifications to show a timeline link on posts, but there are a variety of other userscripts which will do the same.
Alternately, you can use a bookmarklet, or manually enter the URL, which has the format /posts/[post ID]/timeline (similar to the edit URL).
 
 
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10:50 AM
 
11:31 AM
Hm, I don't seem to be getting the red dots anymore
 
@MichaelDodd so the rash is gone?
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@Adriaan Yeah, last time I go running through a field of wheat.
 
@MichaelDodd wheat is not for running through; it's for processing into liquid for drinking
 
@Adriaan It's also the worst thing a politician can do apparently
 
@MichaelDodd ah, yes, I heard about that.
 
12:01 PM
@Adriaan Wheat? You a wheat beer fan?
 
@RiggsFolly living close to the German border makes a Weizenbier addiction quite a hazard ;)
 
@Adriaan Yummy, count me in Double for a hefe weissbier :)
 
12:20 PM
@RiggsFolly so that's two maß for you? Great!
 
One for me, one for you :)
 
@RiggsFolly To me, to you :)
 
12:35 PM
I think my custom filter has the pox. red dots everywhere
 
Welcome to the StackOverfow Beer Keller :)
 
A J
Beer Keller?
 
@AJ Sorry English only right :) Beer Seller
 
A J
Ohh.
I sometimes forget that I don't have powers to moderate SO chat.
I have a tendency to click on the arrow icon on deleted messages.
killed the chat
 
12:48 PM
muhahaha. We has all the powerz
 
A J
lol
 
@AJ Is that to perform an operation, or to look at the history to see the deleted content? Or, in other words, for moderators, is the deleted content something that's shown automatically, or do you have to click a bunch to see it?
 
A J
Yeah, you always need a SO mod for this purpose. Those who don't have a diamond on SO won't be able to help you in case there is no SO moderator available.
@Makyen latter.
 
@AJ Hmmm... While it has more functions than you need, you might find our Archiver helpful. It will show the most recent version of all deleted chat messages either on hover, or always inline, as selected by the user. That feature should work for moderators on all chat sites where they're a moderator. I've intended to release that functionality as it's own script, but still have a bit to go.
 
1:17 PM
@EJoshuaS lets keep the close reasons to standard reasons please.
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A J
A simple hack to find out if there is an error possibly due to typo. Copy the error text and paste it in Google search box. It will automatically show you the typo.
Works quite great for typos in names of in-built functions or constants
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Q: I got error message " Fatal error: Uncaught Error: Undefined class constant 'ERRMODE_EXPECTION'

Amirul Hafiz$db_user = "root"; $db_pass = ""; $db_name = "useraccounts"; $db = new PDO('mysql:host=localhost;dbname=' . $db_name . ';charset=utf8', $db_user, $db_pass); $db->setAttribute(PDO::ATTR_ERRMODE, PDO::ERRMODE_EXPECTION)

 
@AJ when posting links to questions, please include some text before or after the link so it does not onebox. Thanks.
 
A J
OK. No problem. New to the chatroom.
can't edit now.
 
1:43 PM
@AJ This is a good tip, but I feel like it should be directed towards OP not us. The experts in the field either see the typo immediately or copy the code to an IDE which highlights them for us. Googling the names of functions is rather the last resort for me
 
@AJ No worries. Just a friendly reminder.
 
@Dharman Yes, but in here we also look at questions covering technologies we're not always intimately familiar with. Thus, we may not have an IDE set up for any particular language. Having an additional way of double-checking that something really is a typo does help. Admittedly, once pointed out by someone in a comment, typos are often quite obvious, even when you don't know the spcecific language.
 
 
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3:22 PM
@Nkosi I flagged it for being rude. Does anyone know what was the question before and why it was removed?
 
@Dharman The deleted question they linked to was flagged as rude or abusive.
It was off topic and also should have been posted on meta
 
3:45 PM
Roomba Forecaster v2.2.0 (GitHub) (install): works with new SE HTML. Also works with Stack Sidebar Question Stats, v1.2 (install), which puts question status back in the sidebar.
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Woot. Thanks
 
np. The additional time to get it done was additional testing due to too many configuration options and supported platforms.
 
Yaay
 
Neat, that Stack Sidebar userscript is nice, too
 
@Makyen Note: Stack Sidebar Question Stats, is by CertainPerformance, the main link is to their Stack Apps question about the script. Unfortunately, they're not hosting the script anywhere other than in the Stack Apps question. Thus, the install link is to a GitHub Gist I made of it, specifically so it's easy to install. I'll try to keep it updated, but I'd really prefer if they would host it themselves.
 
4:16 PM
^ should be edited out, but is that a fp?
 
edit
@IronFlare Sorry, I didn't see you posted an edit so mine overwrote yours. If you changed more thing you'll need to resubmit it.
 
@IronFlare Yes, it is FP. The Feedback Guidance for Repairable offensive posts is that they should be FP. If the user is editing an existing post and adding offensive language, then it is TP, as we'd want to block the edit.
 
Yeah, I had to add a code comment since the queue requires six character changes
@NathanOliver np :)
 
4:41 PM
Someone plagiarized my answer :( Then they went on to do it again on another post. Mod flags are in.
 
:(
 
All their post also have +1 so I suspect some sock puppetry is going on as well.
 
shakes head, sigh
 
5:00 PM
"shame"
 
5:12 PM
Must be an experiment in how fast to get deleted stackoverflow.com/a/57223886/27678
keeps doing it
 
I have a pending flag on that.
 
me too
This is also plagiarism of a (now deleted, perhaps following the plagiarism + upvote) anwer: stackoverflow.com/a/57222053/27678
Need 10K rep to view deleted ans
 
@NathanOliver should it be spam? or mod flag?
 
@NathanOliver: This one is just a poorly cropped picture from a Tom's Hardware site stackoverflow.com/a/57223774/27678
 
5:23 PM
Sounds like the user just needs to be nuked. Pretty sure there is some sock puppetry going on as well. Anyone have a mod flag in for that?
 
@NathanOliver: Same guy posts this answer: https://stackoverflow.com/a/57223724/27678

Which is a direct non-attributed copy-paste of the top answer on this AskUbuntu thread https://askubuntu.com/questions/126153/how-to-resize-partitions
 
sigh
 
@NathanOliver I edited and replaced now "stuff" with "sheet". The 2 words can be problematic for non-native English speakers.
 
@NathanOliver: Oh a sneaky one: stackoverflow.com/questions/57191661/…
It's a subset of this answer: stackoverflow.com/a/20456052/27678
Poor OP on that question tried to use the advice to no avail
I suspect all the answers are like this
 
5:29 PM
Most likely they are. Have you flagged that answer?
 
That's why I got puzzled browsing through his answer, this guy knows everything, how????
 
I did
 
I flagged it with custom reason: plagiarism.
 
Coincidentally, his accepted answers both came from questions asked by the same person.

Exhibit A: https://stackoverflow.com/q/57223545/27678
Exhibit B: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/57191368/how-to-fix-fetching-99-9-error
The only two scenarios where their answer was accepted
 
The author's other answers seem to be non-plagiarized to me
That's just via a simple copy-paste in quotes into Google
 
5:31 PM
@Dharman Just be sure to include a link to the source in the mod-flag. Without a link, it makes the moderator's job much harder and the flag is more likely to be declined.
 
Morning all /o
 
Anybody want to give this one last close-vote? (Needs MCVE and won't get Roomba'd due to low Q answer): stackoverflow.com/questions/57119285/…
@tink Morning.
 
\o
 
:46876299 It's a Tampermonkey question, so the code needs target-page HTML (+often javascript) to run against. This must either be a proper MCVE snippet in the post or a link to the target page (gold standard). Without either, the question is unanswerable without covering every one of 289 possibilities or guessing luckily.
 
5:39 PM
A link to the page doesn't help for the same reason a link to OP's page doesn't.
 
A link to the target page absolutely does help, and is often critical for userscript questions. If you are saying that a link by itself is not sufficient for a proper question, I agree.
 
Agree with all of the above. I'm inclined to think that since the author is using TamperMonkey in the first place, it's probably for a third-party site, which makes including code difficult and likely moves it into Too Broad
 
People include sufficient snippits of 3rd party code in such questions all the time. Though admittedly it seems to be a bit of a hurdle for newbies.
 
Wait a second, the code in his first sentence is meaningfully different from the code in his code blocks down below. If that turns out to be the problem, it would also be closeable as typo.
 
It's understandably difficult for an inexperienced person to construct a MCVE out of what could be a quite complex 3rd party page. I, also, don't have a solution for making such questions good questions for SO, other than the answerer backfilling the question with what turned out to be needed (i.e. independantly constructing a MCVE).
 
5:48 PM
I've done that. It gets tiresome after a while.
 
Yeah, I would expect that it would. I just don't have another solution to make such questions on-topic. OTOH, it can, in some cases, result in quite good questions and answers, which can be used as duplicate targets.
 
True. Tried that too. It's difficult in low-traffic tags with few up-voters.
 
(Sorry for barging through the conversation lol)
 
Yep, it is significantly more difficult in low-traffic tags.
 
Went with OT-SU
 
5:56 PM
Went with Unclear, also agree with OTSU
 
Ditto.
 
Do note that BOT votes are only available as vote flags, not actual votes
 
Yeah, I'm below the threshold for votes anyway :)
soon(tm)
 
6:10 PM
@dur Looks like you're a Spring expert. That's not something you can answer in a paragraph or three?
 
M-M
6:22 PM
I already exhausted my vote on this as TB: stackoverflow.com/questions/57208523/…
can someone vote for it to be a dupe of stackoverflow.com/questions/1727772/…
I have it in the comments and OP confirmed that it answers their question
 
Voted
 
M-M
@IronFlare thx
 
@IronFlare Yeah, that's a superuser question
 
@TylerH Yeah, I'll admit I'm a little off my game on my flag categories. Practice makes perfect and all that :P
 
Oh, your reason was OK, I was just responding to the (?) bit
 
6:34 PM
Ah, gotcha
 
6:53 PM
In cases where a poorly-written post should be migrated, should I attempt to clean it up before it's migrated, or wait for the flag to go through and leave it to the destination community?
Given my rep, it would have to go through the queue, which I'm not sure is good practice on a question that belongs elsewhere
 
@IronFlare don't migrate crap
so you better edit before a mod declines your flag
 
Ideally one should not migrate crud. If it would be closed on the source site, even if that is the topic site, then just close it here and leave it be. Only migrate something that doesn't need anything to be good on the target site.
 
@IronFlare are you sure the target site is open for that question? You know their scope?
What I mean is that not all Apple questions should go on Cooking.se ...
 
dur
@BrockAdams I will add a comment with an idea of a solution.
 
That said, I propose we move all new PHP questions to Outdoors.SE. That would be funny.
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6:58 PM
@rene Yes, I reviewed their rules and they allow questions related to hardware as long as they're not purchase recommendations and other typically OT subjects
I just submitted an edit to bring it up to a basic level of English competency
 
Okay, keep an eye on that flag and let us know how it went
 
Will do o7
 
7:10 PM
@NathanOliver can't wait for the wizard to start migrating that stuff pre-postage
 
I'll be happy when it auto closes the Q's as dupes ;)
 
@dur Thanks, not being a tag expert, I wasn't sure if that was too broad.
 
7:27 PM
@NathanOliver no, that'd be a regression from what I said
send 'em over to the site they belong on and let those sites eat the cake :-D
 
But I want cake
 
the cake is a lie
 
there's a site for wordpress. just sayin'
I'm British. I demand my cake and I will darn well eat it!
 
I was just watching a youtube video where that saying was used...
I heard it literally 2min ago
 
@NickA cv-pls Unclear which saying
 
7:31 PM
have my cake and eat it too
 
Hi all, how can I cast a final vote on my topic to close it?
 
When you say topic do you mean your own question or the tags you use?
 
@KoenHollander I don't believe you can as you have insufficient rep to close vote. You may be able to delete it instead.
 
Once someone did something (I dont know what) and I got an notification at the top of my topic to cast the final vote to close it
 
That's only duplicates Koen, not other closure types
 
7:39 PM
Sounds like someone proposed your question as a duplicate. If you refresh the screen there should be a button to close it.
@StephenKennedy At 250 rep you can close vote your own Q.
 
I see, thanks! @NickA
 
@NathanOliver I believe Koen is refering to their latest question (2 POB votes), no dupe suggested, historically they've done it for dupes
 
@NathanOliver I didn't know that
thanks
 
8:29 PM
@Vega the question, or was there a rude comment?
I'm thinking R/A for the question (as abusing the system)
 
@StephenKennedy That's what I did
 
Yes, I flagged as abuse
Idem for answers
 
ok. is Smokey dead.... ah no here we go
@NickA Feeling any better now?
 
Ah... I should have tagged as review-pls, sorry
 
@Vega same
 
8:34 PM
@StephenKennedy Still a sore throat, but alive
 
@Vega I'd say you were right first time
@NickA Aww. I hope you feel better soon.
 
I'm good, was back in the office today at least, getting told again how they use the Bradford index for calculating if your absences are too many, stupidest system there is
 
Wow, never heard of the Bradford index. Now that I know what it is, I'm glad I've never had the "pleasure" of finding out before.
 
It totally contradicts the mentality of "if you're ill you shouldn't at work", especially with things like colds which a) are contagious, b) some people get frequently. Our bradford index is based of our absences in the last YEAR
 
8:46 PM
sigh So far, my edit suggestion on the question that belongs in raspberrypi.se has received a reject vote because "Formatting changes will not fix what is wrong with this question"... even though I wasn't making "formatting" changes, and the edit is needed to ensure the question won't immediately be closed when migrated.
 
Yep. 10 one day absences is 100 times worse then one 10 day absence with bradford.
 
yep
so my co-worker being off for 5 weeks when he hurt is back is fine, but me getting 3 colds (1 day absence each) in a year is bad?
BS IMHO
 
To me a 10 day leave is a lot harder to cover then 10 single days. Most of the time the employee can make up the missed work from a single day.
 
The impact of different types of absences will depend, hugely, on the role of the employee within the organization. The Bradford index appears to be dramatically wrong for development roles.
 
@Makyen My role is (in reality, not my actual title) "software developer"..., and generally it's individual pieces of work
 
8:52 PM
Bradford seems to be suited for manufacturing, where missing someone can have adverse effects on an entire assembly line/process. If office work it seems like overkill, especially in development.
 
@NickA But if you're not in who's going to make the tea?!
 
Neverheard of the BS (Bradford System) :-D
 
Me neither, I'm happy to say :)
 
@StephenKennedy The students!
The same guys who replace the light bulbs!
 
@NickA Yeah, then your management is using the wrong playbook. The probable response from The Workplace would be "time to find a new company".
 
8:54 PM
@Makyen Also depends on prior coordination with work. Is there someone who is the standard "backup" for when you're out? Or do you have to find a new person and coordinate coverage for each absence independently/
 
@Makyen We're not really a software company, or we weren't we've been doing it more the last couple of years, we're meant to be a systems integration company, however our tools have better extensibility options now than previously so... we're extending them
 
@NathanOliver Yep. In many roles, a single day of unplanned absence can be significantly more disruptive than a long planned absence where management has time to reschedule people to fill your shift. Manufacturing is one of those.
 
looks like it should be B = (Sum of Spells) x D rather than S squared x D
 
@rene That's not working as Iron Flare does not have edit rights and the edit doesn't bring the question on topic
 
Oh, my bad. I didn't actually investigate. I responded based on what I read in the transcript.
 
9:00 PM
@rene I'm in a bit of a pickle about what to do wrt the pending edit. Approve because gramatically it's a good change, or reject because it doesn't bring the question on topic
 
@TylerH Yeah, it looks like it's yet another of those management metrics which could have some positive value, but its use becomes overwhelmingly negative, because people apply it universally, rather that the limited area where it actually might have some moderate value.
 
question isn't closed yet. ofc if it were closed I would reject.
 
@StephenKennedy if the question can be edited by OP to be on-topic, I'd say approve.
If it's a case of library request or something that's just flat out off-topic or POB, I might reject
 
@TylerH The question is fundamentally off-topic. It's poorly-written as is and belongs in raspberrypi.se. I edited after raising a custom flag so that we wouldn't be dumping junk into another community
 
9:02 PM
@StephenKennedy If they've already flagged, then the edit won't push it into the reopen queue, even once it's closed.
 
@Makyen Ah ok, I knew that to be the case for close votes. It's logical the same would appy to flags I suppose.
double ping, sorry
 
@IronFlare NB - we ask that you avoid referring to any specific post as "junk" or other derogatory term. Focus instead on whether the question is on-topic, clear, answerable, objective, etc.
We ask this because we are often under lots of scrutiny on Meta and elsewhere and want to avoid even the appearance of abuse or impropriety. We exist as a group but for the grace of Shog.
 
Gotcha, will do.
Blessed be the Shog
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@IronFlare FYI: In general, moderators are very hesitant to migrate questions. For there to be a successful migration, the moderator needs to be familiar with the destination site, to know that it's actually on-topic, and/or get a moderator from that site involved. In most cases, it's better to just close it and let the OP deal with re-asking on some other site.
 
[Question is closed and the edit was rejected]
 
9:06 PM
@Makyen That's great to know, thanks
 
@StephenKennedy Yeah, I was a bit torn the first time I looked at it, but I decided to go with what I believe, the question is off-topic enough that if it's ever going to be on topic (unlikely here), then it's going to require OP input, OP needs to be able to provide feedback, and that includes performing edits
 
@NickA Sounds like it could be interesting work. It's unfortunate that your management is clueless, at least in this regard.
 
@TylerH Who is Shog?
 
@Dharman Shog9, Community Manager for Stack Exchange
 
@Dharman Shog was the greatest of the Shogs, I think there's been nine more of them since?
 
9:09 PM
@NickA That's cool, thanks Nick
 
@Makyen Meh, I enjoy the work I do, if they want to throw a funny one about absences so be it, but their development team is light enough that getting rid of me would be... a problem
 
@NickA Enjoying your work is very important. I'm glad that you do. It's unfortunate that you have a management chain that's presenting issues like this, but if you can live with them, cool.
 
They're learning ;)
 
That's certainly a plus. :-)
 
Is it just me or is the post on hold and list of close voters box wider than it used to be? Right now it goes all the was to the right margin instead of being the same width as the Q body and comment area.
 
9:23 PM
@NathanOliver Looks okay to me
 
@NathanOliver That sounds weird. IIRC, it's normally just the same width as the question content, not impinging on either sidebar. Is it covering a sidebar?
 
Oh crud, I said right when I meant left. Right now it goes all the way out to the left margin (lined up with the vote count) instead of being aligned to the left edge of the Q body/comment area
 
@NathanOliver Check the screenshot in this random meta post, appears to have been like that since... a while
 
9:38 PM
Okay. Just me then.
 
@NathanOliver Well now I've seen it I can't unsee it :(
 
See, SEE ;)
 
@NathanOliver Yeah, the close banner definitely has covered the vote column for quite some time. I've had some scripts where I've considered making changes in what I do because of that.
 
 
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