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12:01 AM
With math skills like that, I'm more concerned about your data analytics integrity than the devops pipelines
 
haha fair point :D
i let the system do the hard lifting and those quick mafs for me :)
being in this industry and suck at math in same time is really damn hard
 
a bunch of rappers agree with my maths youtube.com/watch?v=VDvr08sCPOc 😂
@IvanMilisavljevic really? unless you do CS research, what math do you use?
 
il show you
give me a sec
 
I don't do any research, still use plenty of math
No.
 
but you do crypto, it's kind of around that
 
12:04 AM
math is everywhere
check this out
 
Most of the math I do is actually accounting related
Crypto math is mostly abstracted away once you get the base signing stuff in place
 
also this
 
Then you just call x.Sign() and you're done
 
my colleague created those, these animations/graphics are pure geometry
 
I wasn't referring to that kind of math, more the math where you use integrals and derivation :D
 
12:07 AM
@RaghavSood Search engines are easy once you get the search aspect of it in place. Then you just call Google.search()and you're done
Isn't base signing stuff a large part of it
 
@JBis /r/TechnicallyTheTruth
Yes, but the entire blockchain space uses only a handful of algorithms
Essentially just ecc on varying curves
 
but yeah, geometry in apps is very cool if you remember the basics (usually most people do)
 
So you really only need one implementation for signing, that only needs to be audited and verified once
You can just reuse it for everything else
 
do you implement your own signing? or do you use an existing implementation?
 
We are moving to doing it ourselves
 
12:10 AM
@RaghavSood haha
 
why is that?
 
@MehdiB. i find all of those custom ui elements to be antipaterns in some degree
 
But as we add more coins, we need more curves than secp256k1
And it is not viable to constantly audit multiple libraries
 
12:11 AM
 
So we (I) are building a single system in house now
 
@JBis true
 
ok thats the last ill post
lmao tho
 
@RaghavSood I wanna learn this :D
 
lol
 
12:12 AM
@IvanMilisavljevic especially the second one XD
@JBis hahaha
 
@MehdiB. It's not super hard, mostly just prime numbers, definitely very interesting
 
@JBis lols :D
 
I just find cryptography too mathy and complicated. I use "It doesn't interest me" as an excuse for "its too complicated for me to understand"
3
 
where do you recommend to starting with?
 
Also, you can't brag about anything you do ever. Like no average person will understand.
 
12:14 AM
I really like that idea of distributed system. But as jb said chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/46446232#46446232
+ i suck at math :D
 
I just don't find it interesting because Raghav likes it so it must be boring
 
@JBis you're cynically aware for a high school student 😂😂😂
 
@MehdiB. Depends, do you just want to know how it works, or actually implement it?
 
ooo my avatar is changed :) long live cache invalidation
 
For the former, any college level discrete math book should cover it
 
12:15 AM
Take that TTL!
 
You specifically want one that includes ECDSA
 
and the latter?
@DaveS XD
 
Do the former, then write code for it :D
The code is actually really simple
Most of the work is securing yourself against known attacks
Which is mostly done on the API layer for the code, rather than in the actual signing implementation
 
I am a very cynical person in general. Only plus is it helps with what I want to go into (Application Security).
 
(beyond the attacks that attack randomness)
 
12:19 AM
 
@RaghavSood I implement a formula supposed to be the norm, then when I compare it to an existing known implementation, I see that they added a bunch of other I'll never understand, and we're back after so much efforts to having done just a "hello world" implementation unusable on prod
 
@RaghavSood Just read your profile. You must have serious will power in order to hold your tongue when people talk about blockchain. Assuming its consistent with every other tech field, I have a feeling much of what muggles say is just flat out wrong.
 
@MehdiB. Very unluckily, I'd be willing to bet you can look at an existing implementation in a language you know and figure out the college textbook stuff yourself
@JBis It depends on the muggle - Most good developers, if they give it enough thought, will be able to arrive at reasonably good approximations of what do to/how it should be done
The problem is that reasonably good isn't good enough when implementing it :D
 
basically what happened to me on ML, implement this backprop formula, good, now use this TF implementation because they added other stuff to make it more reliable and avoiding this and that and that :D
 
@MehdiB. Go is fairly easy to read, you can check out the stdlib's ecdsa implementation: golang.org/src/crypto/ecdsa/ecdsa.go?s=4799:4882#L146
It's <100 lines
That's really all there is to it
Note that if you look in a textbook, you will find even simpler implementations
 
12:26 AM
but as performant and stable and prod ready as this one?
 
Less performant
Mathematically, you can express the same task in less operations if you allow for division
But division on numbers that large is quite slow on CPUs
So implementations replace it with additions and multiplications, which leads to faster code, but with more "steps"
 
I see, but the core formula is the same, there is no more "formula maths" in that impl, but rather an optimization on each step
 
Yup, the end result is the same, only that some operations are replaced by mathematically equivalent, but more CPU friendly operations
 
@RaghavSood is anyone working on some kind of hardware optimizations for this stuff. Or jitter/processor time optimizations>
Back in my time (when i did cisco stuff). Cisco had special modules for hardware encryption
 
Some processors already have hardware accelerated instructions for specific curves
But I believe most of that work is done around the curves used in EC certs for tls
There are dedicated crypto hardware modules too, but they are quite expensive, and mostly used in HSMs currently
 
12:33 AM
@RaghavSood thank you, that was insightful
 
lets make our own blockchain, with blackjack and hookers
 
Gents, I'm off to sleep, been a fun evening :D
 
night is young, i have to finish 4 featues, and only thing i did was to prepare package names
 
:O it's 2h38 in serbia
 
Nigh @MehdiB.
Ye, slow friday :)
 
12:39 AM
good luck :D night o/
 
 
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1:44 AM
Ribbit
 
2:09 AM
@DaveS HELL YES
@DaveS Miss you too bby <3
 
My server crashed :(
And now it wont respond :(
 
what kind of server?
 
My main server.
 
Yep.
 
2:11 AM
web server or host?
 
It hosts a bunch of websites, an SO Bot, a file server, and a bunch of other stuff
Maybe it will fix it self
 
so your host crashed
try to reboot
 
I can't because I don't have access.
Not cloud platform and I don't have physical access right now.
 
This has happened a couple times before when I pushed it too hard, but it usually fixes it self by now. Oh well.
Lets just hope the interviewer I sent my website to isn't inconveniently trying to access it right now XD
 
2:15 AM
oh well
that sucks
 
@JBis Wireguard
 
doesnt that require the server to be operational?
 
It's a VPN, so you can ssh in remotely if you're not physically able to access it
 
you gave me an idea
 
i guess the entire host is down
 
2:18 AM
@JBis Where do I send the invoice?
I'd normally look up contact details on your website, but...
 
lmao
 
Ok my idea failed.
 
where is your host located? Cant you contact the provider?\
or is it some kind of a home personal server :/
 
home server. More fun and cheaper....when it works
 
2:26 AM
Clearly, what you need is a cluster of home servers
 
or a server farm
 
I am adding another physical server soon.
I use my fams old computers as servers
Jokes on my ISP. I am getting Gbit speed internet on their cheap plan as a promo. Probably didn't think anyone would actually use it.
 
well do you have a router and network cards with gig ports?
 
Yep. The computer can. The router can I think. If not then it can get pretty close.
 
2:30 AM
thanks :)
 
if this is happening regularly, probably there is somethign wrong with your setup. for a simple and a not really that good solution
write a simple cron job to reboot the server every couple of hours
 
there is the possibility that the server didnt crash and my isp switched the ip (Its dynamic but changes every ~6 monthsish)
 
maybe i have somethign for you
i have a ps script
that sends an email every time your public ip changes
 
I used to have a backup server that handled everything from alerting me to issues to changing dns entries for all sites to itself (so a lighter version of the websites would remain online) and then switching back when problems were fixed. But I got lazy and didn't want to upload the certificates every time lol.
@IvanMilisavljevic sure, send it over. could come in handy. thanks!
 
i wrote this like 8 years ago
so please dont mind the style
 
2:38 AM
Is that powershell?
 
thanks, np. I'll convert anyway
 
yeah, its really simple
there is this one as well
 
removes Ivan from list of people that can be potentially hired
Unix or bust
 
yeah after some more checks I think the ip changed.
@RaghavSood hence I'll convert anyway :)
 
2:41 AM
this one is pinging your website and writes logs to a database with reasons why it failed
its horrendous but it might give you an idea
 
what lang is that? (the comments not the programming language)
 
thats powershell
 
> fajl u kom se nalaze putanje do resursa koji se nadgledaju
 
the time when we used google blogs for this kind of stuff :D
 
lol. I am too young to remember that time
 
2:43 AM
i have a shitload of ps scripts just sitting around
@RaghavSood i did some heavy MS shit
and im certified Microsoft Admin lol
 
ew why windows servers?
 
@IvanMilisavljevic removes Ivan from list of people I can be friends with
 
(I shouldn't really be talking, my server is running macOS, but at least thats Unix based)
 
MS has some serious support for enterprise grade systems. Entire SO is on MS
including MSSQL and that pesky IIS
@RaghavSood that shit is from my dark past, dont you worry :)
 
@IvanMilisavljevic then again SO chat is HTML4. I wouldn't take their choices as good ones.
 
2:47 AM
haha true
 
I was thinking of createing an open source SO chat alternative.
 
Don't fix it if it ain't broke
 
But it would be SO chat. It would tap into the API in order to send and receive info. Basically a wrapper for SO chat beyond css hemes.
 
that would be nice actully
 
2:49 AM
I just don't know if it would work with CORS. I need to read the MDN page on that.
 
something like a proxy between your ui and SO chat API
 
ideally the server would never authenticate with SO it would be all client side.
 
but still you have to take a lot of stuff into consideration
 
if we got 20 people in chat to work on it. We could get it done real fast.
 
1 http request every 3 seconds is a waste of energy
 
2:52 AM
well we will have to dig deeper in to the api
 
I already wrote the main docs needed → github.com/jbis9051/JamesSOBot/blob/master/docs/CHAT_API.md
 
1 http request to post a message, and then pooling for new messages every 3 seconds
easy
 
just would need to add on
Websocket isn't restricted by CORS I don't think so we would just use that.
 
well this seems like entire docs
i would like to see chat android app
 
Theres some todo stuff and theres nothing about stars etc. Its a good start but not great.
 
2:56 AM
il start working on andorid app when i get some time
but il have to see how to deal with authentication
 
really? that would be awesome
I just can't help cause I dont have android ;0
@IvanMilisavljevic Yeah thats the biggest issue. I am not sure if SSO would work.
I gtg.
 
dont you worry, i guess we have couple of android devs in this group
 
cya'll
o/
 
3:19 AM
@IvanMilisavljevic Some people in this room made one
 
3:31 AM
hm i like
i could work with this
 
4:15 AM
Time to sleep for Mr Froggo
Mornight all!
 
4:32 AM
0/
 
 
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6:25 AM
!cat
 
Unknown command '!cat'
 
die
 
 
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9:12 AM
o/
 
@TaseerAhmad well, he's just a motivational speaker :-|
 
why do they put that music in motivational speeches :-(
 
for better impact on mind may be.
 
9:26 AM
It's for those people who need that music to feel better temporarily. Yes, I hate it that they put music in speeches even though the real value is in the speech
 
 
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10:54 AM
good mornin boys
 
o/
 
11:09 AM
o/*
 
I don`t like constraint layout
Also the GUI based UI builder sucks
 
11:31 AM
o/
 
11:47 AM
interesting read
https://martinfowler.com/articles/is-quality-worth-cost.html?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=is-high-quality-software-worth-the-cost
 
@MehdiB. No there was something wrong that I didn't fix in time
 
12:20 PM
Hello Guys, Anyone know how to get three previous number from given int? EX : If int = 22 then I want previous three number including this 22 like (18,19,21,22). I know this is simple logic but don't know how to do it.
 
12:36 PM
java or kotlin?
 
hm code formating is not working for some reason
 
Thank you dear I will try @IvanMilisavljevic
 
il share you a gist
 
sure..Thanks
perfect working
 
Ribbit
 
No.
xD
 
1:01 PM
The tale of a frog with an identity crisis.
4
 
1:57 PM
xD
 
3:20 PM
Yeah, if you're a nerd!
 
3:30 PM
hahaha
 
xD
any room user?
 
how do you handle exceptions in room?
 
Try catch
But there are few possible exceptions
You should take care of migrations when initializing your DB, it is the main source of problems, besides that, everything is pretty straightforward
 
4:06 PM
ok
 
4:39 PM
haylo pepul
 
5:01 PM
Hi schizoparrot!
 
o/
 
What is this?
What's the benefit of it?
 
5:23 PM
FWIW, it helps you to stand out in place where density of android developers is pretty high
 
5:43 PM
Anyone have any idea about how Google Firebase count read operation?
 
Nothing
 
Like if I make a request to Get a single Document with ID how much it will cost? And if I request to get a whole Collection how that will cost?
I have no clear idea about that
 
6:23 PM
Maybe based on kilograms
 
No.
 
Chirpete
 
@ColdFire We usually ban them
 
No.
I have done nothing but procrastination all day. Beat me
 
6:39 PM
Why would we beat you, when your own approach to life will do it for us?
We can just sit back and watch the downward spiral
 
6:49 PM
Should I take that as a 'closet' motivation?
 
No.
 
@bluetoothfx firebase can get really really expensive if you have a lot of rw actions, cant give you exact numbers, but i can tell you to watch out. (and take extra care with data observers)
 
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