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2:00 PM
@RaymondArteaga more importantly, what do you mean?
@Jordy everything break
 
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:(
 
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I miss Eric
 
we all miss him
:(
 
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And @MarkO'Sullivan is also way more quiet than before, stop being useful in life and amuse us
 
2:03 PM
The trick to use arrays to emulate "references" is old as humanity in java
 
well Mark happens to be the only person in existence who when working from home actually becomes more productive
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Word
 
Well that weird post made me replant some things
@TimCastelijns I mean you can modify a var inside a method, and that making effect outside that method
 
either that or he is so unproductive that he can't even be bothered to open chat
 
for a moment I thought Graeme was here
 
2:07 PM
@TimCastelijns I'm more productive too :(
 
that's asking for problems ray
to be fair I did specify "person"
 
but no, it was jordy saying Word
 
I really, really, really, really want to murder someone at this company for the self-signed certificate....
 
??? what's asking for problems?
 
2:09 PM
You don't have any idea where I can get the Root CA certificate from, Raghav?
 
You should be able to pull the full cert chain from the server, technically
 
Can you do that with your openssl magic again? (:
 
I mean, the command you ran earlier should have done that
 
@RaymondArteaga passing a var and then implicitly modify it (implicit because the caller might not know it happens)
 
Maybe try something like openssl s_client -host example.com -port 443 -prexit -showcerts
 
2:11 PM
I'm talking about explicit modifications
 
That should print out multiple certificates
 
Like ::myVar or ref myVar
 
Rather, a full chain
 
Now I installed the gitlab certificate but registering the gitlab runner still fails with "x509: certificate signed by unknown authority"
Hang on; lemme see that.
 
Hmmm
 
2:12 PM
That's a really nice feature when used safely
 
It still opens in safari, though?
 
Because if it does, it's more likely that whatever you are doing to add a gitlab runner is not using the cert from your system keychain
 
@TimCastelijns 😂😂😂😂
 
And you may need to pass the earlier file we made to the tool separately
 
2:12 PM
ö ok ray that was not clear to me
 
But I've never used gitlab runners, so I'm not sure how to do that
 
oooooooooooh. Will check the docs for that in a second.
 
wow... ._.
 
ray I don't keep track of kotlin's development
 
2:15 PM
@RaghavSood I have no clue about that output but there is some stuff in there that says "unable to get local issuer certificate" and one that reads "certificate not trusted" and one that says "unable to verify first certificate"
 
Those should be okay
I think just passing the file you generated the first time via the config to gitlab will solve it
The untrusted/unknown errors are you seeing is likely just because openssl doesn't recognize the signer here
Which is to be expected
 
> Default: GitLab Runner reads system certificate store and verifies the GitLab server against the CA’s stored in system.
Anyway, let me move that cer file to the path in point 2.
 
@Jordy same
 
you guys just motivated me to get back into moving them fingers in Android studio
 
them?
 
2:18 PM
you get motivated by talk about self signed certificates and variable references? :D nerd
 
@MehdiB. what were you moving your fingers on before? :p
 
Tim XD
 
o/
 
@ColdFire on my zsh
 
o/
 
2:20 PM
got my weak pun CF? that's probably the first time I make one
 
and you didn't got my pun
 
@Jordy Where you going? Quebec?
Word up all
 
@MehdiB. on your lol?
oh the word guy is here
PowerPoint Graeme
 
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@Graeme Quebec and also flying to Montreal
 
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Scratch that
 
2:21 PM
familiar names
 
@ColdFire "on" instead of "oh" in oh-my-zsh
 
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Ottawa and Quebec
 
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Forget the names every time :')
 
sounds nerd level stuff mehdi
 
Sounds fun!
 
2:22 PM
I thought it was a good one, CF :(
 
I've been called worse than "The word guy" I guess
 
hehe
is that worse?
 
@RaghavSood I moved it to ~/.gitlab-runner/certs/example.com.cer now. Same thing
 
?
 
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2:23 PM
i mean "the word guy" doesn't sound anything bad to me?
 
I give up. This place is the absolute horror for anyone wanting to use any tools that access ANYTHING that is not on your DUCKING drive.
 
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Already informed myself about the weed shops :D
 
I got nothing then, sorry
 
@Jordy watch out for the police
 
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It's legal in Canada
 
2:25 PM
@geisterfurz007 befriend the sysadmin, coffee breaks help with that :D
 
@geisterfurz007 find the guy , make him fix his shit :D
 
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@ColdFire So no need to watch out :p just spark it up and blaze it
 
Drugs are bad mkay!
 
I appreciate the time you've taken to get me to see the dashboard at all again. This place it a nightmare when it comes to setting up npm, yarn, git, gradle, maven, pip or whatever the duck you use for getting anything that would make you more productive.
 
Jordy - Smoking in public places is still not in :) You need to be in private space
 
2:26 PM
@MehdiB. I talked to him at 10 times already. Up to 3 times per tool that would not work.
 
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@Graeme Yeah but that's the same as here in Holland
 
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So no worries
 
I find this hilarious and I don't quite know why - play.google.com/music/m/…
 
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Genius, gotta love CIV
 
its paid tho
0.2$ USD
@Graeme yup public smoking should be banned , a good move
 
2:32 PM
I'm not a huge fan of weed being legal here I must admit
 
coool
 
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I rather see people smoking a joint than drinking alcohol.
 
I mean, both should only be allowed with support for those who become addicted or binge
 
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Maybe my view on that is different because I'm Dutch :P here we allow a lot
 
binge?
 
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2:36 PM
It means zuippartij/comazuipen/etc @Mw
 
o/
 
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Riiiiiioooo o/
 
This is what I talked about Tim
That's sign of something weird being cooked
 
This something weird is named pointers
 
@Jordy ah thanks
 
2:40 PM
and that lint is only for function parameter variables
if you try to do so with a "regular" variable lint becomes diferent
I hope if they do implement it, that they use a special keyword or something like "ref" to avoid bad practices
 
Oh, look, crypto went up
 
@Jordy hiya
 
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Oh shiiiit, a legend is back
 
2:55 PM
@TimCastelijns this is true :D I lose track of time far more easily and get more time spent on side projects / games in the evenings
 
Who's the legend?
 
@RaghavSood BTC approaching $4k mark... ooooohhhhh
 
@MarkO'Sullivan This also happens to me when I'm working remote
@MarkO'Sullivan Why are you talking to yourself?
 
Yeah, pity no one here agreed to do frontend work for me in exchange for internet monies
 
Less people coming over distracting me, can completely zone out from everything and get a lot of shit done when I'm on a roll
 
2:56 PM
They could have made more internet monies
But well
Guess I'll keep them all
 
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Tim, MW, Mark, Eric, Womp, Mauker, Eric, Murat, Mehdi, CF, Warren and me are the OL (original legends)
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@RaymondArteaga Will Smith
 
@RaghavSood I would have if I didn't suck at front end
 
I didn't know he were an Android fan...
 
@Jordy no Adam?
 
2:57 PM
@Adam Jordy hates you
 
Meh... frontends should use REPL
 
No Carl?
 
Carl is not a legend, he's a myth
The Dream Crusher doesn't need us puny legends
 
Carl is like God, he was around before SO existed
 
2:59 PM
Is that Carl a pseudonym of Mr. Smith?
 
ahahahha
love it
.dev domains are being released soon
 
@Jordy 🌟🌟🌟🌟
 
the 'new' TLDNs are stupid
 
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@AdamMc331 You're a nice guy but you're one of the later legends.
 
@Jordy I remember when you got a new job as a firefighter and you disappeared / wasn't active much
Firefighter in this case - having to deal with the hellish flames of PHP on a daily basis
 
3:02 PM
@MarkO'Sullivan lol nice
 
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That's basically every job I've ever been
 
@Jordy I feel excluded... But meh... I can poison you all and become the legend killer legend.
 
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Sorry Ray, Member for 2 years, 3 months
 
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Not OL
 
I'm a legend! ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
 
3:04 PM
... is that like a monster?
 
@Jordy I didn't knew I was that old in this chat
 
I can't work out what that is supposed to be lol
 
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@RaymondArteaga Just SO, not this chat
 
time flies, ray
 
lol
 
3:04 PM
Time flies when you're having fun
 
3 years 4 months hmm
 
chat user since 2018-10-10 Oh snap! I've been around here for 4 months and 9 days! How cool is that!
 
what is the OL threshold? I can fetch a complete list
 
^ nice
 
@Reno tomorrow is your 10 year anniversary on SO
 
3:11 PM
> Member for 4 years, 5 months
Nice
 
maukerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
 
CFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
 
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r15: first message: 2010-10-15
 
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Damn
 
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@TimCastelijns You have to be awesome and +4 year experience
 
3:19 PM
@Jordy LOL! You are Younger than me here LOL!
 
@MarkO'Sullivan I'm not convinced :D
 
My first message: Aug 26 '15 2:14 PM
I'm older than you Jordy
 
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@RaymondArteaga But you also have to be awesome for the OL status
 
@MehdiB. That's because you're working with bash scripts, therefore you're not having fun
 
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I never questioned you Mauker :(
 
3:22 PM
Yet, here I am
 
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@RaymondArteaga Raymond Arteaga: chat user since 2018-10-10
 
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Liar
 
Lies
 
No.
 
Yes.
 
3:27 PM
@Mauker didn't have much fun last year, yet wasn't working with bash scripts :D
it's probably related to age
 
Yes.
 
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Last week it was CF, today it’s you, why you gotta assert your dominance on me Mauker :/
 
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This is what they want us to believe
 
how do we prove them wrong?
 
3:31 PM
@MehdiB. No problem
 
aaron, our 2nd oldest member
 
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Print that list Tim
 
@Jordy you can smoke/drink by 18yrs old, should it not increase a little?
 
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Hmm, good point
 
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Right now it's just to supress the feels.
 
3:35 PM
@MwBakker the chart starts at 18y
 
Anyone here use typescript?
 
murat
 
@Murat
 
Dominance asserted.
 
hahaha
 
3:37 PM
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@ColdFire this guy just blasphemed you
 
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starts photoshop to edit a checkmate move picture
 
an entire blog post dedicated to -S, seeeeeeriously :liv:?
 
@Jordy Oh yes?
 
Maybe I should use django
 
3:39 PM
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Seems a lot more... straightforward than all this nodejs stuff
 
Try again Jordy
 
CA knows django
 
xD
 
@Code-Apprentice you around
 
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3:42 PM
@TimCastelijns Django Wagner?
 
@Jordy you use weed to surpress the feels?
 
@Mauker lmao
@MehdiB. he is my typewriter so you know who the Boss. is
 
I'm also the machine gunner
 
and i am the one who gives you the ammo
so.
@MehdiB. good enough?
 
Yes CF, thank you
 
3:47 PM
:D
 
that "so." gave me emotional closure :D
 
LOL
 
lol nice
 
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@MwBakker Just heroin
 
4:03 PM
@RaghavSood what's up?
I'm in and out for the next hour or so. Feel free to ping me.
 
sup everyone
does anyone know if it is even possible to style a tablayout that has custom views without having to resort to doing it programmatically? I mean using the styles.xml file
so if I want to change the theme of the app I don't have to programmatically change the theme set in the tablayout
 
what does the style depend on
when style A and when style B
 
I just set it to the activity during onCreate according to the user's choice
and everything else inherits from the theme that I defined in the styles file
 
4:24 PM
Django seems pretty okay, logically sound so far
 
why is the tab layout an issue
 
because it is not using the style defined in the file
since it is a custom layout
nothing goes through
 
why is the custom view not using the styled attributes
 
how can it?
unless I do it programatically I can't find a way to tell it to use the values that the tablayout theme has
something as simple as the textColor doesn't go through
I mean I can do it globally, the color for example
but then there are no states
so if the tab item background changes, the text color never changes
there is no "?attr/whateverThemeIsCurrentTextColor"
 
no idea. Just thinking out loud
 
4:41 PM
@Shadow Yes
You can bind the style element to an observable variable from a viewmodel
 
@MwBakker But that's the same thing as doing it programmatically
 
But I am not sure if the <style = "element" takes in a regular string as parameter
 
it takes a R.style reference
 
I'm trying to keep this in the styles file so theming can be easy to build and maintain
 
4:43 PM
Ah, so no regualr string?
 
which is an int
 
Ah yes that's true
@Shadow Well something has to let the view know of the switch that is made right?
 
that's when the activity is recreated
 
some things like selected state can be handled automatically MwBro
 
@RaghavSood What are you building?
 
4:46 PM
@Shadow You're right, then I'm sorry I won't know
 
this would be so much more easy if we could just use CSS and be done with it...
 
@Code-Apprentice Frontend to a crypto wallet
 
@Shadow But if you just have to change the style.xml file to for example style2.xml then it could just require one line of code
 
I don't want to change the file into another one... I want to use the same style file, it just contains different themes inside it
I don't see how having a style2 would even work in the first place
Android picks the file by default, I don't tell him to select a specific style file
 
Once you compile, there is no such thing as a style file
It all goes into the same binary blob
 
4:51 PM
that's why there's variations for it to handle automatically, like v23/styles.xml
 
style="@style/match_parent" ?
 
That's why you gotta name everything
 
Ah I see
 
@MwBakker I don't think you understand how that works
the style attribute does not take a style file
it takes a style property, which is inside a style file
 
Yes, my bad
 
4:53 PM
it's alright, it could be something that actually worked
 
It's indeed per element and not per file like css, sometimes I confuse those
 
see, CSS would be so much easier
better yet, replace kotlin/java with javascript
it is the best language after all
 
ban vote Shadow (1/10)
 
Yes, I do enjoy watching the world burn every now and then ^^
 
@Shadow I like PHP a little more to be honest.
 
5:00 PM
How would that even work?
I'm genuinely curious now
 
@Shadow Not at all! Specifically designed so that there will be absolutely no adaptation required.
huehuehue
 
Hmmmm
So turns out the normal way to do django + vuejs is to treat the backend as a django project REST API and the frontend as a separate vuejs project
 
every time a screen refresh was needed it would compile the UI over and over and over and over
and over again
 
Which then means I'll have JS -> Python -> Golang -> Rust
Which is a rather lot for a side project
I might as well just roll this into the golang project then
 
5:05 PM
@RaghavSood Looks like a reasonable tech stack for 2019. Nice and diverse!
 
@Code-Apprentice Does that sound right?
I wish I didn't have to do frontend
I'm happy with just the golang and rust
But turns out users don't like clis
 
When did it become normal to develop everything using libraries? It still feels strange even tho there's probably more than 15 years of doing it
I blame jQuery for starting this trend
 
I can't do away with the go and rust layers
I can likely skip the python one
 
Oh no, I'm not saying it's a bad thing, it's just incredible how the soft industry did this huge shift from creating from the ground up to just connecting stacks
 
I feel like django is a lot better suited to cover the web app stuff out of the box
 
5:08 PM
My first Django project had a separate ReactJS frontend. The Django project implements a REST API that is hit by the ReactJS project.
What are the golang and rust pieces for, @RaghavSood?
 
I remember spending a summer 2 years ago I think on a side project that was pretty cool
 
The rust is the actual crypto layer, golang handles accounting and wrapping the rust layer to make it usable via HTTP APIs
 
Just to later find out it was practically the same as Vue.JS....
I felt so defeated
 
@Shadow C# is
 
Go doesn't really have any powerful Ruby on Rails or Django style frameworks that can handle all the fancy web stuff for you
 
5:11 PM
you can likely wrap the rust stuff using Python instead. But if you are already using Go, can't you just do all the APIs there? And add a vuejs frontend?
 
If you do it in go, you usually end up doing session management etc. old school
The go and rust layers are already written, no point redoing that in python
 
yah, good point
I'm surprised that Go doesn't have any frameworks for writing Rest APIs
 
There's plenty for writing REST APIs
 
if you are going to do a REST API in Django, you should also check out Django REST Framework.
 
There's not very many mature ones for doing all the user auth and session management etc.
You can still do it, but you'll be writing a lot of connecting code
 
5:13 PM
oic
 
If you just want to do a vanilla REST API without the user auth and sign up and all that, that's easy enough
 
seems like most APIs have authentication, though.
 
Yeah, you can do all sorts of auth, the point is it is too flexible
So if I want to develop a go backend for a regular web app, I need to go and write out the JWT etc. middleware (or at least the connecting code, if I'm using a library)
Unlike django or whatever, where I can just tell it to use this for these paths
You can do it, but it's more boilerplate
Well, Buffalo actually seems to have improved quite a bit over the last few years
Might give that a shot
Seems to handle a lot more stuff now
 
yah, Django has some really good auth that is pretty much plug n play
I even found a library that makes it pretty easy to use oauth providers
 
Guess I'll try buffalo
My existing speed with go might make up for the overhead and then some
With Django and vue, I'm learning two things at once
 
5:26 PM
I'm still stuck on the whole hosting thing. Mostly I just need to pull the trigger and take on the expense of a hosting service. Maybe that would give me some motivation to finish building my baseball card api.
 
$5 digital ocean servers are the best
 
yah, so you've said
it's hard to justify even $5 a month if I'm not actively working on it, though
 
I find it pretty easy to justify 1.5 starbucks a month in exchange for noticeable experience and learning
I've spent more on less useful things
 
o/ all
 
Hiya Dave!!!! :D
 
5:33 PM
long time no talk womper!
 
@RaghavSood what's the USD -> starbucks exchange rate?
oh, $5 USD == 1.5 starbucks...man I'm slow today
 
is that a new digital token?
 
and the "noticeable experience and learning" presupposes "actively working on it" which is the part I'm missing right now
 
Even if you work on it once in the next month, you've spent $5 and know more than your current state
 
I haven't worked on it for more than 6 months.
oh...I lied. I last worked on it about 2 months ago: github.com/BaseballCardTracker/bbct-web
buying a hosting service might give me some motivation to work on it some more...
 
5:48 PM
@Shadow lol what
@Mauker ban vote Shadow (2/10)
 
Anyone have a recomendation on an app 'explainer' video service?
 
ban php vote (1/10)
what is a app explainer?
 
I used renderforest but looking at alternatives
just an app video that is shown in the play store listing
usually to explain your app
 
oh
 
and @Code-Apprentice, if you're serious about your project, commit X amount of time and X amount of money per month and stick to it!
 
5:51 PM
interesting you call it app explainer , is that a official word for it?
 
app video?
 
@aaronvargas yah, I need to do that.
even just the X amount of time per week or per day would help me make some progress
 
Once you commit to the time per week or whatever, set a goal for releasing it. Say 3 months. Then add up how much money that is. And you'll see that it's all about the time, not the money. So you spend 10 hours a week x 12 weeks is 120 hours and then ~$10 a month on services? The $30 bucks is nothing compared to your 120 hours of time.
 
exactly
 

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