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this was supposed to be marked as experimental, though; it should now no longer be reported here
 
7:07 AM
 
ohhh, I'm afraid I was a bit snarky, too bad he saw it before I deleted it
 
7:23 AM
@Shree Please submit a complete cv-pls in these cases.
 
7:52 AM
@Makyen Ok .
 
8:05 AM
@SmokeDetector not the greatest answer ever, but I'd say enough of one to not flag it
 
8:22 AM
 
8:32 AM
40 CV reviews in down
 
@TetsuyaYamamoto Same cv-pls ^ :)
 
 
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9:48 AM
or unclear
 
9:59 AM
@CiroSantilli This seems unrelated to this particular question; would you be comfortable discussing this in chat? I'm in chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/41570/so-close-vote-reviewers where this would be a most appropriate topic and it's not just me who can answer there. — tripleee 4 mins ago
I will be afk for a bit but if this guy comes here, there's a bit of context for you ^
that seems to be a different user from our 127k user stackoverflow.com/users/895245/… but I'm guessing they are ... related
 
@tripleee I'd like a beer and a chat about East Asian politics with that guy
 
the new and improved cirosantilli2 has a github where apparently you are welcome to report that as an issue
linked from the profile page
 
10:42 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ Second one should be modflagged for offensive username at the very least
 
@MichaelDodd I'll leave that for you :)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Already done, answer also R/A IMO (not that it matters now it's gone)
Actually, first iteration before the edit was definitely R/A
 
@MichaelDodd The answer itself wasn't rude
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Look at the original version on MS
 
@MichaelDodd Ah, that wasn't even caught in the answers revision history.
 
11:00 AM
this comment is obsolete now, probably just one more flag is sufficient stackoverflow.com/questions/12539058/…
 
11:11 AM
Wow, you guys found some real gems today!
 
@Jean-FrançoisCorbett I misread that as "germs"! Still works...
 
11:25 AM
 
^Unsure, there is a question.
 
Doesn't look like spam. Looks like a 💩
 
Uses weird unicode brackets to be able to start his answer with help...
 
Close reason "Missing MCVE" / "Unclear"?
 
11:29 AM
Close reason: 💩
Use any close reason that will get that 💩 flushed down!
 
That's a missing option so far unfortunately :3
I've casted a delete vote to realize flushing now
 
it will be roomba'd anyway, give them a chance to clean it up IMHO
 
11:56 AM
@Queen Closed with pleasure (it simply doesn't work)
 
12:13 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ curl | fgrep '<title>' reveals "Roomba Spreads Dog Poop" ... I don't think I'm gonna click that
2
 
@tripleee It's harmless fun :3
 
There's too much clutter in my house (and steps) to make it worth getting a roomba
plus it would also mean having to give my cat free reign of the kitchen
 
Is this one is on topic
 
has two questions, at least one of which is off-topic
@Shree the question isn't
and/or too broad
 
12:31 PM
Morning
 
@tripleee thanks. Out of vote. design takes all.
 
@Shree Yeah that's proving to be a bit of a problematic cleanup atm, it's eaten up the majority of my close votes for the past couple of days
 
@tripleee So we can use our weedburner for such case.
And I actually mean weeds, not weed to be clear :3
 
@πάνταῥεῖ but what if I have a single dandelion on my lawn? :)
(j/k my lawn is full of dandelions and dead grass :( )
 
12:39 PM
@MichaelDodd You take a shovel and grab it out, be sure to capture the whole root.
 
rene won't like you killing his relatives
 
@Nathan depends if he likes that particularly relative or not :)
 
@NathanOliver Weeds aren't @rene's relatives. He's a pretty flower deserving to keep.
My point is that we don't need sophisticated chemical stuff or complicated procedures to burninate such tags raising their sprouts at a beginning.
@MichaelDodd I am not that sure, that dandelions really should be gone. There's much to get from them. Let's start with salad made from young dandelion is really delicious, over the flowering phase is a pretty spectacle, and last not but least children love to play with it blowing the seeds off when it's ripe.
 
@MichaelDodd pro tip, commit your remaining close votes before quitting for the day
slightly cumbersome if you are far from UTC, then the end of the UTC day is in the middle of something else
 
@tripleee Daylight savings in the UK has ended, so we're back to GMT/UTC. But I normally need to be be in bed before midnight, if I want to stand any chance of getting up at a decent time the next day
It hasn't happened much this week
 
12:51 PM
then the last 10 minutes before you close shop for the day is a really good time to review the queue
 
true, fair enough
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I remember when I was a much, much younger puppy, one of my neighbours use to give me 50 pence for spending an hour or so picking Dandelions so they could make wine from 'em...
 
1:07 PM
@JonClements Also a good usage of dandelions. I really doubt dandelion should be just diminished as weeds.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Dandelion & Burdoc is also a well-liked soft drink over here
 
@JohnDvorak haha... brilliant :)
 
So we don't like flower-nazis?
Don't blame me for shortcutting things please :3
 
1:25 PM
maybe rene wouldn't mind if you killed the dandelions. they are bullies
 
@Nathan Mkey, not great of a question though.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Doesn't need to be. It just need to be on topic. I'm not against helping a user that has put in that much work.
 
@NathanOliver Well, my focus is much more beyond helping individuals out, rather judging questions for being useful in future research.
 
umm...
 
1:39 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Consider this: It's far more likely that a person would learn to ask better questions and listen to advice in the future, if they receive advice, act on it, and get rewarded for doing a good job listening.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I kicked you for using cucumber. You've been warned and we all know it is used in a derogatory manner
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Please don't.
 
@NathanOliver I well know what you did there, I have my opinion though.
 
@NathanOliver I'd call that a CVE not an MCVE (input really makes it non-minimal).
 
1:41 PM
@TobySpeight Doesn't matter what the input is there. It will never says it found both numbers
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I think it'd be a good idea to not keep along this line and go talk a walk before you end up putting yourself in a position where you're made to take one
 
@NathanOliver Sure, but it's irritating to compile and run code, and find it just sits waiting for input. I mean, it's easier even for the asker to code-in the values they are using..
 
@πάνταῥεῖ You're entitled to your own opinion. Helping someone figure out thier logic mistake is a valid thing to do though. Yeah it is not a great question but it helps someone, and may help someone else.
 
It's the 'ole discussion about personal helpdesk vs general FAQ, discussed already at nauseam IMO.
Including help vampires, vegetables whatever :3
@Jon I took a walk to my bathroom, looking at the mirror, and I still feel fine so far :3
 
as least you can look in a mirror... everytime I do that, they break :p
 
1:50 PM
Jon, when they say "look into a mirror", they don't mean literally into the material
 
@JonClements You must look quite weird ;-)
 
@JonClements get a stainless steel bowl with quicksilver, that won't break
 
@gunr2171 oh.... so I've been doing it wrong then? :p
Always found it odd that humans have those things... it's always like there's another puppy at the other end that's mimicking me and barks at me when I do at it...
 
@Adriaan surefire recipe for a massive quicksilver spill in your house. You don't want a massive quicksilver spill in your house.
 
@Adriaan oh.. Trine 2 at some point? :)
 
1:53 PM
 
@JonClements some point, yes. This weekend: no. The ETH (best uni in the world for Earth Sciences) is paying me to go there for a job interview :D
 
@JonClements Look at the mirror, not at the "Dorian Gray" picture taken once.
 
@Adriaan that's fantastic news... what are you hoping to do there?
 
@JonClements Sightseeing as a start; never been to Switzerland outside a 10 hour stay at CERN. The position they're interviewing me for is a PhD position, where the candidate is supposed to make an image of the interior of the planet Mars
 
@πάνταῥεῖ What is unclear about that?
 
2:02 PM
@Adriaan I think ThiefMaster works at CERN... I should probably bug him at some point about getting "access" to the place only someone internal could manage... asides from that though, I'm curious to what "an image of the interior of the planet Mars" is :)
 
@Adriaan XKCD has a new game you might be interested in: xkcd.com/2061
 
@JonClements I was at CERN as part of a course; one of my profs runs the LCHb experiment. The idea for the PhD research is to make a map of the conductivity or Mars, based on data provided satellites measuring the EM field around the planet. From that conductivity they hope to infer knowledge of the interior, such as whether there's liquid water somewhre
@NathanOliver seen that; been playing that for years!
 
@Adriaan haven't we though from satellites and land rovers determined that water did exist/does exist? Or am I confusing fact with being an avid scifi novel reader?
 
He is just going to fly his GoPro to Mars ...
 
I think we know it did exist. Now we want to know if it still does
 
2:08 PM
@JonClements yes, it probably existed. A better picture would be nice though. MGS and InSight will provide more info
 
@NathanOliver I'd have thought (and while I say that only having a reasonable amount of Physics/Chemistry behind me) - water as a liquid can't exist given the properties of it and the temperature of mars?
 
@JonClements it can, since it's one of two well-known materials that have a higher density as a liquid than as a solid (pure iron being the other one), thus pack enough ice together, and the bottom will show pressure-induced liquefaction. This is the same principle that allows Glaciers to move so fast
 
Not on the surface but it could still be below the surface. I though I saw something about them finding evidence of evaporating water
 
So water on the surface of Mars will most likely not be possible, but below the surface it might very well exist, especially in the polar regions where ice-caps are present
 
ahhh of course...
and water has that really weird thing if I remember correctly where at 4C it's the most "dense" but at 0C it's ice and almost considered a solid (or something like that)
 
2:15 PM
I wonder why they haven't trained rover how to use a dousing rod. They'd be sure to find water then.
 
@JonClements Yes. Apparently you need only about 40GPa to get supercritical water source
 
That's jogged a few memories - thanks for the link...
also explains why you can "super heat" pure water in a microwave and it doesn't "boil" per se, but as soon as you tap it/put a spoon in it/disturb it otherwise, say goodbye to your microwave
 
plops in
I have been sick forever.
 
Sounds like a long time
 
@Compass Sounds you'll need to consult a doctor :-/
 
2:24 PM
Holds back urge to start doctoring
 
splats out on the sofa
 
@Compass Good and mostly safe place!
 
@Compass have you considered stop eating furballs? :p
 
2:57 PM
umm.... wonder why virtual network interfaces still seem to appear long after the container's not running and been removed from the system...
unless I was meant to explicitly remove interfaces and not just the containers.... thought the later would lead to the first though... but...
 
What OS?
 
please remove this earlier request of mine - chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/44448999#44448999 OP has now added MCVE
 
cats don't eat furballs <_<
 
3:04 PM
Though they're pukeing them off all the time.
 
@Compass I'm not sure about that one... my old cat use to cough 'em up and study it for a moment and then seem to decide "oh - I should probably start eating that"... and then did that death stare when you rushed over and picked it up and threw it in the bin
 
@πάνταῥεῖ You should probably have that discussion (at least the start of it) on the Q.
 
Is there a way to edit a custom flag? I found more evidence to support it after I raised it.
 
=w=
 
@EJoshuaS nope... you can re-raise another custom flag though
 
3:08 PM
Not that I know of. You could raise another one and link to the one that is already pending.
 
Good to know...
 
@EJoshuaS is it the one you've got pending regarding a very old pdf/ocr thing?
 
@JonClements Yes - there was a recent spam answer on it and a particular individual had voted "looks ok" on it. It turns out that they ALWAYS vote that way, even on obvious non-answers and link-only answers.
In the VLQ I mean
 
okay... there's enough information you provided in that flag - not sure much more else is required by you for a mod to look - so you're fine.
 
3:36 PM
wowsers... wonder why the heck a certain process on a server is using 700gb ram
 
3:57 PM
@JonClements 700 GB? How much ram does the server have?
 
that one has 1tb
 
Jeez. Do you know how many DIMM's and what size cards you are using?
 
that one's just cloud based so it just gets paid monthly (not cheap though)
 
Oh. I would bet that isn't cheap
That process probably has a bunch of chrome tabs open ;)
 
that one is 128 cores (~5 ghz each), 8 gpus, 80tb disk and 1tb ram
(use it for data crunching mostly)
 
4:03 PM
Wow. I want
 
@NathanOliver thankfully I get to break even on the costs to clients but yeah... not something I'd want otherwise... but yes... she's bloomin' fast
 
@JonClements Sounds like Chrome
 
gotta run for a bit... bbiab
@TylerH but yes... I wonder why Chrome isn't great memory wise for tabs/multiple tabs...
 
I too want... 😻
 
(I know for a casual user it probably doesn't matter what browser you use or that you even care as long as you open the page and have a couple of tabs open... .but when you normally operate having 20/30 tabs open at the same time... memory usage does get somewhat stupid)
 
4:15 PM
Throw in a roll20 session and you could be using a couple few GB's of ram
 
I use to program systems that had 4kb of ram :)
gotta run before I burn the food and get ready for guests
 
@JonClements no garbage collection
@NathanOliver "500 hours played" meep :3
Normal browsing for me typically includes one to three browser windows open, with one or two having a couple dozen tabs split between them, and then the third browser window often just has youtube or netflix playing on its own
Opera 12-style tab groups would be great for Firefox to adopt...
 
5:02 PM
(btw I'm going through the list, but just posting ones here that are particularly bad imo)
 
5:13 PM
How best to edit this question? They've posted most of their self-answer in the question, but to remove that much text would reduce it to a "how do I do this?" off-topic question, effectively removing the MCVE
Viewed 25 times in 3 months so very low traffic Q
 
@FireAlarm score=score+3 results in increasing by 1?!?
 
 
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@SmokeDetector bold, just below a mod's answer
 
7:49 PM
@TylerH garbage collection is pretty much a science in itself... just one little dangling reference somewhere etc...
 
@DontKnowMuchButGettingBetter "crazy physics" is not a valid close reason
 
@TylerH of course you're right, but I wasn't sure what would be a correct close reason for someone asking "how to create a sky hook"
 
@DontKnowMuchButGettingBetter The "Too Broad" reason covers that quite nicely
 
@TylerH OK, too broad it is. I'm just amazed that someone could be so ignorant of technology
 
How is it too brood? The answer is No. Thats not very broad
 
8:01 PM
@NathanOliver until someone puts a PhD in it...
 
You simply haven't spent enough time around other people then :-P Even on SO people ask questions that leave your mouth agape
 
@NathanOliver "brood" - you been playing Starcraft Zerg recently or something? :p
 
@NathanOliver The text of the question plus OP's follow up comment indicate a request for something that's too broad to cover in an answer on SO
@JonClements We require more minerals
 
@JonClements MUST CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PYLONS yes
 
8:04 PM
I miss that game... can't play it for beep now, but use to spend a good 6/7 hours a night on that one
 
It's free now too :)
 
@JonClements oh the times when we were young and could spend that amount of time at night, and sleep during lectures
 
I love playing Protos and doing a carrier swarm
 
I was constantly number 2 ranked in battle.net :)
 
@JonClements @MadaraUchiha in front of you I take it?
 
8:06 PM
nice. I never did PvP. Only just played against the AI
 
think I swapped to first place just once and lost miserably after... but kept in the top 5 (mostly at 2) for about 6/7 months
 
@NathanOliver Carrier swarms were practically unstoppable; my go-to was usually goon swarms in SC1 though, much faster to max out on goons than Carriers
In SC2 Carrier swarms were replaced with Void Rays
eventually they were nuked but are still crazy powerful
@JonClements Impressive! I would follow the battle reports on battle.net quite closely. I loved those things
 
These days... I think it was last year... I played it with a mate of mine in coop mode against the AI and err... I was spending a lot of time realising that I had to right-click on something, and then remembering how the heck I assign units into groups... and then trying to remember the tech tree... and... blah blah blah
20 odd years ago, use to be able to just do that without thinking, flick between units and bases, get one thing moving at one place, flick back to another etc...
probably also use to help that I knew most of the maps and had a good idea of where the other teams would be
plus some of the other folks I played against would have a certain strategy... so if we went for random, I got terran and they got zerg, I just knew that'd try a rush (and why not - it's cheap but gets you quickly large amounts of the map shown)
 
^ The Jon Clements StarCraft Chronicles ^
 
For sure, to even hope to survive in PVP in Starcraft, you have to be a deft hand and know the maps as well as the current strategies for each race
 
8:22 PM
use to even play the occasional 7 vs 1 PVP... won about half of those...
 
7 players vs 1 player? or 7 v 1 with one of them being a CPU?
 
7 players vs me :)
 
I'm not sure how you could ever win one of those unless you were playing 7 abject beginners...
Even three or four players with only a hundred PVP games each under their belt should be able to beat a top ranked player if they are on a team against him... let alone seven
 
@TylerH err, they were all in the top 1000
you basically rush attack and distract a few bits
if you've got 8 players on an 8 player map, and you know where you are, you know where the other 7 are - you just don't know which is which...
 
I'm convinced they must have never played as a team before... it's not hard to strategize against one player when you have the resources (and APM) of 8 players...
 
8:34 PM
@TylerH probably why I only got away with it half of the time...
 
Was it truly 7 v 1 or FFA with them all happening to go after you? I know in SC1 you didn't have shared vision by default even in 7v1, but still, every team game I played in SC1 started with teammates declaring position and strategy in team chat, e.g. "top mid, rushing mutas"
 
was truly 7 vs 1
 
The best times were when the other teams inadvertently gave away their strategies in all chat, didn't last long though before it started being exploited and people lied intentionally in all chat to throw people off
 
@Jon We have a german fairy tale: Das tapfere Schneiderlein (Siebene auf einen Streich). I'll leave the further reseach to you :3
 
use to enjoy 6 vs 2 mostly though
use to team up with a guy that was #4/5/6 and flipped between those in the ranking system
 
8:38 PM
o.o
I play a battle royale
called Ring of Elysium
60 tourists trapped in a blizzard XD
 
"Battle Royale" is also a great film :)
(the Japanese one anyway)
 
@MichaelDodd While you are permitted to post cv-pls requests for burninations, we'd appreciate it be done only for those questions which need to be handled quickly (e.g. standard criteria, or things like the Q has 4 CV that are going to start aging away soon). For burninations, there are several people in the room that either filter the CV queue on the tag, or specifically seed the CV queue (so others can filter effectively). Thus, most of the time a cv-pls is not needed for burninations.
Basically, it's much more effective to post a reminder about the burnination asking people to filter the CVQ on the tag. If you do post a reminder, be sure to provide a link to the filtered CV queue (like the one in the pinned burnination message in the starboard) to make it easy for people to filter. Also, please don't post more than one reminder a day (well, maybe two that cover different timezones). Posting multiple reminders just starts to annoy people, which is counterproductive.
 
stuff to do bbiab...
 
9:04 PM
@FrustratedEveryday For requests like that, we use a format that allows others to find the requests and scripts to both present the requests to people and archive them when they are complete. The basic format is [tag:cv-pls] close reason https://stackoverflow.com/q/12345. Please see: How and why do I need to format my cv-pls (and other requests)?. I'd suggest reading the complete SOCVR FAQ.
 
Ah ok sorry, my bad didn't know that..
 
9:41 PM
 
user4639281
9:58 PM
I just spent most of a day diagnosing a problem with someone elses entire project code as a "mcve", only to find that the problem was caused by a third party library that was only used for one basically irrelevant portion of the code.
 
I know that feeling
 
That doesn't sound like fun. :-(
 
@TinyGiant I once spent 6 hours diagnosing code, only to finally realize it was two transposed arguments. Why it worked as written so long, but failed only there, I will never know
 
user4639281
@Makyen Don't know why I let myself get drawn into these things
 
10:20 PM
@TinyGiant It's easy to have happen, which has pluses and minuses. The mindset that is fairly common for programmers/engineers is see problem->fix. We also tend to have the ability to focus on problems/issues/tasks for long periods of time, often without really noticing time passing. These tendencies, and others, often result in us being (a bit) too task-focused, and make it easy for us to get drawn into working on problems.
 
user4639281
Yeah, that one.
 
10:38 PM
@Makyen Right, fair enough. I was mainly requesting the ones that are blatent and would've been knocked off pretty quickly, but point taken.
 
jww
10:52 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ - My bad, I just saw your message. Yes, the inline assembler still gives me a lot of trouble.
 
11:12 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Do you have dupe hammer for this and this? In comments of the first is the canonical recursion dupe.
thanks
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis: you caught me just before running out of CV's.
 
Put to good use, I think
 

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