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1:44 AM
Sorry but this guy pissed me off royally.
This is why I should leave this place
He deleted his comment where he complained about my not helping him
 
2:13 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels I sympathize with you being pissed, but we need requests to be about content, not users. Feel free to re-request without the portion that's about the user.
 
 
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3:23 AM
@Feeds zapped a new question with by editing out the tag; probably keep an eye on this or the tag will never disappear
 
Nomination for comment of the day, after a long back & forth about silently eating exceptions: "I think I fixed it, thanks :) I just replaced all the [code in the] IOException [catch blocks] with return; and it works."
 
3:41 AM
good morning
 
4:39 AM
over 500 questions tagged again ... most of these should be and most of those are off-topic anyway
 
5:06 AM
@Makyen that looks like it was edited so there's at least a working link to code now. Still not really code but better than it was...
 
@River I don't consider a link to code to be sufficient.
 
@rene Me neither, hence "not really code". Just pointing out it's not literally nothing like it was for the first revision.
 
ok
 
I wouldn't have mentioned it if it hadn't changed from nothing, just wanted to make sure Makyen was aware of the edit.
 
Morning @rene @NileshRathod @tripleee @Cerbrus and all
 
5:14 AM
@InsaneCat Very Good morning pranipat
 
I'm just passing by ... busy day ahead ... Good morning ...
 
5:28 AM
@River I appreciate the information. While the link was fixed prior to my seeing it and posting the cv-pls, I didn't bother to click-through to the site to see if it was valid, or what code/data was actually available. The question was clearly a debugging question which had no code in the question. While the code may, or may not be linked on an external site, not having the code in the question makes the question off-topic and is fundamentally at odds with Stack Overflow's primary purpose.
Except in very limited circumstances, no one other than the OP can legally resolve the issue of not having the code in the question, even if code is available through some off-site link. IMO, the only appropriate response is to close the question until such time as the OP makes the question on-topic. Posting a comment informing the OP of the requirement and/or voting on the question are optional.
 
5:46 AM
I concur; like images of code, links to code have many usability problems which we don't want here
links are actually worse because you can't tell whether the stuff at the other end of the link has changed since the OP posted
 
@Makyen yep, just wanted to make sure you/socvr knew what was being closed, as there were some misleading comments left over on that post.
 
 
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7:20 AM
@InsaneCat answers cannot be closed, only voted on
 
@tripleee my mistake need to delete these answers and it's deleted Thanx :)
 
7:43 AM
Morning
 
1 message moved to SOCVR Sanitarium, cv-pls with answer link. It's unclear what's being requested.
 
Morning fellaz \o
 
@AndréKool afternoon
 
 
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9:01 AM
\o
 
Is this question closable? (NATO)
 
@AndréKool yes, POB and recommendation question
 
@AndréKool Yup, for a number of reasons. See stackoverflow.blog/2011/08/16/gorilla-vs-shark, classic example of that
 
Thanks, I was having some doubts because of that (highly upvoted) comment.
 
I've slapped a comment on there to explain why I'm ignoring that upvoted comment. Good for when it goes in the reopen queue.
 
9:39 AM
 
@SurajRao I was about to say the use case would be for blog posts, but I realised that would also be a stupid idea. Prettified CSS or nothing.
Maybe the SO instagram account?
 
@SurajRao Nah, I'll just stick to using paint for my screenshots. How else can I add an arrow pointing to the line of code that has the error?
 
@MichaelDodd for poster's instagram
 
@SurajRao Nothing wrong with code on instagram so long as it's accompanied by a coding companion
 
10:11 AM
Why is there never a red dot for the close-vote queue? (like with the other queues when they get full)
 
@E_net4 looks like spam.. the author of the blog post is the asker
 
@SurajRao Nice sleuthing.
 
It might need a mod flag because the spam isn't obvious (from the question or deleted answer alone)
 
@AndréKool Removed by author before I got chance to modflag :/
 
hmm.. My spam flag is pending though
 
10:27 AM
Should this answer be flagged as NAA?
 
@ekad Just downvote it.
 
10:39 AM
Would you folks find this one awful enough for delete votes? It's closed, but won't roomba.
 
@E_net4 I'd say yes but I don't have enough rep to delete
 
@E_net4 Definitively.
 
 
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12:35 PM
Morning
 
Afternoon
 
Evening
 
Evening :)
 
is there anybody who can say night?
 
12:37 PM
night?
 
ha ha
 
user8682794
12:55 PM
@MadaraUchiha I personally think that every egregious question that gets closed without an answer is a gain.
 
@PearlySpencer How so?
Who gains from them?
 
@MadaraUchiha everyone who doesn't have to read the next question by the user
 
It's hard-to-impossible to determine the potential future contributions any one user has from just one question, however bad
I believe, based on experience alone, and without real numbers to back said belief up, that everyone's times are better spent in educating and helping, on average.
 
@NileshRathod My primarily opinion based thought is that it's probably too broad
 
1:00 PM
@NileshRathod My first quess based on the amount of question marks is too broad
 
@AndréKool & @kayess thanks
 
And that's my unexpected power cut break over
thankfully didn't lose any work
 
@NileshRathod asap.
@MadaraUchiha People searching for something and not being presented bad/nonsense/missleading questions, hence saving time.
 
@toohonestforthissite You know how when you try to fix something, you start with the more time effective solutions, turn off and on, switch cable, etc, before moving on to more "expensive" solutions like trying to find and download a driver, or sending to a lab?
I think there's a similar situation here. A more time effective on average is to try to help and guide, and when that fails, close
But most of no one has the patience/time/energy for that on the short-term. Therefore, I think it's up to the system to improve itself (before asking the community to improve)
 
Very short-term: it costs more time/effort to type a comment than it takes to click a (few) button(s)
 
1:22 PM
@MadaraUchiha If available, I normally start with a scope/logic analyser (preferring a mixed-signal scope) connected to the target, the device connected via JTAG to the dev-PC and start in the debugger with a breakpoint right before the new code from where I single step as far as possible. It's a bit more complicated with interrupts and external data feeds, but I nevertheless often try to start that way. All after I had a second read of the code, of course.
I'm strict to the agenda (unless that has changed): SO wants to be a repo of high-quality Qs&As. Helping the askers is more of a positive sid-effect (and the motivation for askers to ask about their problem). Without that we'd be just another forum. But yeah, that seems to be the way it's going being too nice.
 
1:43 PM
This is unfair, I ran out of downvotes. :'(
 
Removed that request as OP added some code just as I cast my vote. Still personally believe it's Too Broad, but may no longer be to otehrs
Link's still up on Smokey, so make your own mind up
 
@SmokeDetector edited. Looks more on topic now
 
2:01 PM
Seems like a buggy day for stackoverflow
 
2:31 PM
@E_net4 Migrate to Cross Validated?
 
@NathanOliver <does not compute>
Or maybe not.
 
@E_net4 Is your close reason to have it migrated?
 
@NathanOliver That's what I proposed, indeed. Is this an attempt to make me change my mind? :(
 
@E_net4 Nope, I'm just trying to make sure that was what you are asking for. We cannot actually migrate to Cross Validated so you actually have to mod flag and ask them to do so. That is why I was asking as there is no way we can help you with that since you can handle it yourself by flagging.
 
@NathanOliver There's a "belongs to Cross Validated" close reason, actually.
 
2:38 PM
@E_net4 Where can we find that close reason?
 
Not that I like it so much, but there's no definite "go-to" reason for these. It's a "most of them somewhat fit". Like mittens.
 
Cross Validated = stats.stackexchange.com. Close -> Off Topic -> Belongs on Other site
 
@ErikvonAsmuth That.
 
@E_net4 Haha. Wow, they need to update the close screen. I didn't see Cross Validate in the list but it loks like they renamed Stats.
 
@NathanOliver Stats was renamed a wee long time ago. :)
 
2:41 PM
My mind is unable to link Cross Validated to stats
 
@AndréKool It's only trivial if you know what "Cross Validation" means.
 
Ron
o/
Tough crowd.
 
@Ron Give me some time, my mind is still spinning.
 
Ron
Granted.
 
@Ron \o
 
Ron
2:48 PM
Ah, that's the ticket ;)
 
@MichaelDodd I think I also got a homework question like that a couple of years ago :P
 
Ron
@AndréKool My homeworks back in the days revolved around arrays and binary trees.
And that's it. Chase the array elements up and down and round and round.
 
3:04 PM
@Ron I also had those. One of the reasons I'm still working on finishing my education is I didn't know exactly what I wanted so I just tried everything :)
 
Ron
Binary Lumberjacks Inc.
 
I'm a lumberjack and it's okay, I sleep all night and I code all day. I like to make vectors of women's clothing...
 
@NathanOliver Just come to the high-heels ;-)
 
@NathanOliver That would be a non-binary lumberjack :P
 
3:12 PM
@Machavity fixed. Off by one error ;)
 
A python tornado sounds scary.
 
@AndréKool Depends on which version. Those version 2.7 tornadoes are terrifying
 
Ron
Climate change is to blame.
 
@AndréKool Right now, I'm thankful for every little wind (including warm ones).
 
3:22 PM
@toohonestforthissite Yeah, I really don't look forward to the time I have to leave this airconditioned office :(
 
@AndréKool I'm currently thinking to sleep in my car - motor on for AC
 
It's clouded over here on the south coast, I feel a bit under-dressed now
no rainfall of any significance though
 
35 degrees here but it should cool down tomorrow
 
@MichaelDodd I thin we had no significant rain fo more than 4 weeks now. Just a bit to increase humidity. And the last big rain also only increased humidity, but did not really cool things down.
I could sleep in the bath tub, but it's either water or me in there, so …
 
trays of cold water around the house?
 
3:35 PM
@toohonestforthissite Similar here, we've had only one downpour in the past 2 months, and even that was for only a few hours
 
@JohnDvorak Seriously: I thought about a water-curtain, but the water here has too much minerals, so the tubes and the holes would very quickly be clogged. Plus water is quite expenmsive and the curtain increases humidity - which is the main problem right now already.
@MichaelDodd Bah, I saw the temperatures in the UK and that's just nothing to talk about ;-P I wish we were even close to them. It has been ca. 35-38°C here the last days and still steaming the nights. Takes a week or so already just to cool down the rooms a bit.
 
@Ron beat you ;)
 
3:50 PM
@toohonestforthissite Temperatures may not be something to write home about compared to other countries, but given we don't have AC and houses are designed to trap heat, 31°C+ on a near-constant basis is very significant for us
@toohonestforthissite The Nest thermostat in my living room has been reporting night-time temperatures of 27-28 for a few weeks now
 
@MichaelDodd "we don't have AC and houses are designed to trap heat" - You are aware our houses are build to conserve energy? And AC is ver rare here, too, expecially as electrical energy is very expensive here (IIRC 0.28€/kWh).
@MichaelDodd I wish I was close to them. But the actual problem is more the very high humidity. Currently the term "water bed" has a verry different meaning.
 
@toohonestforthissite Wherebouts are you?
 
@MichaelDodd SW Germany
The country currently delivering "clean" electricity to various countries which have to deactivate their NPPs.
 
non-public properties?
 
4:11 PM
@toohonestforthissite Funnily enough I'll be on holiday round there at the end of November
Dusseldorf down to Frankfurt & Mannheim and back
 
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Q: Let's burninate the [anonymous]

Kyle FairnsPretext Here's a link to the small discussion about this: Should we clean up the [anonymous] tag? The Questions 4: Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous? No. anonymous has a variety of questions, mostly on the topic of anonymous functi...

 
@MichaelDodd Well, Düsseldorf and Frankfurth are not SW, but Mannheim is about 20km away :-)
I just hope until then the weather has cooled down a bit :-\
 
@toohonestforthissite I imagine it would have cooled by the end of November
 
@MichaelDodd Trump knows …
 
4:26 PM
@toohonestforthissite We're not ones to talk either, that's why I want to enjoy the continent hassle-free for one last time...
 
@MichaelDodd Hmm, the three cities are not really the ones I'd choose for haliday, expecially not around november. I mean, ok, Heidelberg is next to Mannheim and indeed worth a visit, but more in Spring or late summer.
 
@toohonestforthissite It's more about the airport choice, from Southampton you can either fly to Dusseldorf or Munich, and with Dusseldorf at least there's a nice little cluster of cities with a short train ride between each one
@toohonestforthissite Though main reason we're visiting Mannheim is because the local parkrun is a nice course
and mainly Germany because I know enough of the language to get by
 
@MichaelDodd Parkrun?
@MichaelDodd Hmm, I thought English would be sufficient, too. But most here appreciate to talk German, expecially in shops, etc.
 
4:42 PM
@toohonestforthissite Parkrun is a free timed 5k run that takes place every Saturday morning, it's big in the UK but only just started in Germany
 
@MichaelDodd Ah, yeah, that explains why I don#t know it. A frind of mine in Munic likes this too, but I really prefer a good classic hit on the head with a beer bottle over these running events ;=)
But if you are in Mannheim and are interested in a good restaurant or maybe pub, you're welcome to ping me (if possible some days earlier, as I have currently no idea where I am or what I'm doing in november)
 
6:07 PM
@Vega I like how you're at 9999 rep :)
never mind...
 
waits for the day gunr joins the 10K club
also, congrats vega on 10K
10
 
@gunr2171 Thank you, I liked it a lot, too :)
But someone decided to upvote and broke it ;)
I have earned access to some moderator tools, woo hoo \o/
 
Woot! Go forth and use your new delete votes!
Start with everything Nathan has written!
 
@NathanOliver Thank you! :)
 
Also, they changed the comment flag choices again.
 
6:59 PM
I'm actually really glad they added a "It's unfriendly or unkind." option
I already used it minutes after it showed up
 
@Vega You're welcome. here is some 10K candy for you 1, 2, 3.
@gunr2171 I'm glad they brought no longer needed back.
 
user8682794
@MadaraUchiha everyone. Potential answerers, the site; there is simply no point wasting time trying to get the OP to extensively revise the question through comments etc. And this usually can be prevented by the OP reading the help center.
 
@NathanOliver ;_;
inb4 "get some rep" image
 
@gunr2171 Sorry, no candy for you. You can have some sherbet thought
 
yep, there it is....
right on cue
 
7:05 PM
:)
 
@NathanOliver Wow! A new world opened to me... Thank you :)
 
user8682794
@MadaraUchiha SO is about helping people. It is not a place where everyone is entitled detailed technical support or debugging and guaranteed an answer. If the OP chooses to participate in a professional community then s/he should adhere to the standards expected. :-)
 
s/new world/hidden garbage dump/
 
7:28 PM
A coincidence, tomorrow it will be 365 consecutive days that I am on SO and started to get reps :)
 
7:44 PM
@Vega party! \o/
 
@rene Yes, you are invited :)
 
Last time we had a party it was an hour solid of meme images. It was great. Transcript in the Conversations tab.
That was also the last time we allowed any sort of "fun".
 
8:16 PM
@NathanOliver Interesting. I noticed quite a lot of bad C or C++ questions being tried to reopen the last time. cucumbers united?
 
idk. In this case the answerer thinks the question isn't too broad, as he mentions that there are plenty of different ways to an the question...
 
Wow, there is another flag reason: "unfriendly". So this is becoming a social training bootcamp now?
 
1 hour ago, by gunr2171
I'm actually really glad they added a "It's unfriendly or unkind." option
 
@toohonestforthissite this sums it up for me.
 
8:31 PM
@NathanOliver I'm currently trying to figure out which post (Q, A or comment?) you mean. Seems my brwoser does not really show it in a way it's clear. Can you paste just a part (any part, just unambiguous) of the text so I can search for it?
 
@toohonestforthissite The answer by Ian Kemp
 
@NathanOliver Ah, yes, I just read it, upvoted, he's exactly saying what I think about the latest changes of policies. Nevertheless, that "not nice" flag must be very new and with this flag, I don't think reasonable cricism in a comment is anymore possible now, as the allowed characters are not enough to have both, the technical comment and the now required cuddling and welcoming veebal hugging. Plus without being grown up in certain areas, I don't think I can talk honey and sugarly.
(And I don't like to either)
 
8:48 PM
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Q: Should we burninate the [equivalent] tag?

Brendon ShawI used a question with the equivalent tag and it got put on hold with the reason being that "Questions asking us to recommend or find a book, tool, software library, tutorial or other off-site resource are off-topic for Stack Overflow as they tend to attract opinionated answers and spam....

 
9:07 PM
@YvetteColomb thanks for the help at stackoverflow.com/questions/51732647/…. turned out to be an awesome question AND answer now.
(I hope I'm not breaking any rules, well maybe I do...)
now serious stuff:
 
user3956566
@Jean-FrançoisFabre you're welcome. Glad someone is happy :)
 
@YvetteColomb that was the right move. I'm not going to open a meta post to complain, then you'll answer and get 566 downvotes :)
 
user3956566
@Jean-FrançoisFabre so true :D
 
note my wisdom: guy insulted me and I didn't even flag
(someone else must have)
 
9:38 PM
Tag Synonyms are very slow to be approved. If you have the rep and you agree, help them proceed. stackoverflow.com/tags/synonyms?filter=suggested&tab=newest
Another one which I would love to propose, but lack the rep to do so: assertions -> assertion
 
9:52 PM
step 1. go to the link of suggested tag synonyms I posted above, step 2. if you see one you agree on click the "master" tag, step 3. use up or down arrow to vote
 
10:48 PM
Is anyone else having issues with images not loading?
 
example?
 
@gunr2171 So ur img isn't loading?
 
11:14 PM
 
11:41 PM
Oooo suddenly my profile image has disappeared, even on my profile. :) An admin woops :) :)
I see it has happened to almost everybody in here as well. Anybody know whats going on?
@Machavity Yours sill exists. Guess you are special :)
 
i.stack.imgur.com is experiencing issues I guess?
Is it the same with everyone?
 
Ahh I see the issue. Thanks @Praveen just worked that out
 
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman Your image seems fine, very special :)
 
Mine's from Gravatar... :)
 
11:46 PM
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman It only affects people named Praveen Kumar, or 1% of the world :P
 

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