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3:09 AM
@Makyen alright, struggling to get by as usual. Living the dream.
 
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@πάνταῥεῖ always, the power of the flower.
 
 
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6:16 AM
In order for us to help you better, can you please update your question so that it shows your relevant code in a minimal, complete, and verifiable example in the question itself. It would also be helpful if you could let us know what you have tried so far to solve your problem. For further information, please refer to the help article regarding how to ask good questions. — caiovisk 29 mins ago
 
morning
 
o/
 
 
7:05 AM
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman the answer is gold though :D
 
 
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8:08 AM
Morning o/
Time to read this mornings welcoming posts while I'm trying to wake up and enjoy my coffee :0
 
Stick to the coffee ...
3
 
Yea, you just missed a gem, @AndréKool.
 
@Cerbrus Something nice got deleted?
 
Check the chatrooms I'm in. You'll see
Something that should've been deleted, but ended in a but of a chatroom discussion.
 
8:36 AM
Morning \o
 
I'm thinking about doing a bad thing: Adding another burninate request :(
 
:(
Hiya @Cer welcome back
 
@AndréKool only allowed if you burn three existing ones first ...
 
@rene Hmmm, in that case 1 more to go. I already got rid of 2 so far :D
 
:D
 
8:51 AM
And I will also need some time to come up with a good title
 
Which tag is that? Let the SOCVR brainpower do it's work
 
@kayess Thanks
 
Hey @Cerbrus
Long time no see
 
Yea, I've been on vacation for a month.
 
8:58 AM
Wow one month off... Sabbatical ?
 
No, just vacation
 
3 of my colleagues are going for a month just next week
 
I have 4 days left for this year :D
 
2 man IT ftw
 
Been working on a ranch in the south of France
I've also done quite a bit of actual work, but these pics are more fun :D
 
9:11 AM
@Cerbrus no images rule hasn't changed here
 
Whoops, forgot
 
getting rene'd
 
To be fair, the rules don't say "no images"
"Keep oneboxed images to a minimum."
A minimum of... 2? :D
 
lol
 
9:44 AM
Burning (cleanup, then tag bulk removed): CV queue 🔗; open Qs; closed Qs; Progress chatroom
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> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[ibm]"
 
@kayess nobody is seeding
I'm gonna search some tonight
 
Edit Summary of the Day: "I improved the shit out of your post". (And no, they didn't...)
 
9:59 AM
@NisseEngström not a Mortensen edit, I presume? ;)
 
There are 102 active cv-pls requests. Please take some time to go through them. Page 1, Page 2
4
The Unclosed Request Review Script (current released version) will help to review the list of requests. There's also a beta version with more features.
 
wonder how many userscripts can you have active in SO till the site grinds to a halt
 
@SurajRao I'm not sure, but I can confirm that it's more than 30.
 
10:18 AM
@Makyen I have 25 active and it goes well
 
Ron
Please sign my We don't need reflection in C++ petition.
 
@kayess Cool.
 
Ron
It's in the form of a music video on YouTube.
 
10:36 AM
Charming.
waffle
 
nah needs some more finesse
 
11:00 AM
 
What is the best duplicate avaiable for this python question? stackoverflow.com/q/51323244
 
11:15 AM
I think reporting does not require mass action, even if a single person reports, it is taken care of
 
11:47 AM
 
12:16 PM
@Machavity nuked
 
nice
 
Ron
12:30 PM
The code analysis tools are taking eer jerbs.
 
being upvoted??
 
Morning
 
Afternoon
 
Ron
Good afternoon. Keepin' it metric ;)
 
Moin
 
12:42 PM
A PSA about IBM: We've been asked to NOT close questions asking for official docs or download locs. So please stop CVing questions like this. If you see them in there, just edit the tag out so it leaves the CVQ. Thanks
 
@Machavity "Don't aggravate the sponsors?"
 
@Olaf More like "IBM has really, really, really arcane locations for junk"
After having gone through maybe 100 or so, I can see why he has empathy for them
@KenWhite The correct answer is "Because the language has a cute and artistic name". Duh
 
@Machavity Oh I have empathy for quite a lot of users, nevertheless I don't try stretching rules beyond recognition. Welcome to Animal Farm.
 
1:16 PM
eats popcorn, watches meta burn, this is a fun Friday
 
@NathanOliver my meta post made quite a stir. didn't expect that tbh. I was following up on something shog suggested
@rene I wonder where he finds the time
 
@Magisch I think nathan is talking about another meta post
 
I think there are like 5 controversial meta posts around rn
 
Something with a little puppy :P
 
@Magisch troublemaker ;)
 
1:22 PM
Have to find something to stir up while I'm not flagging voting patterns :D
 
A bit offtopic here, but I accidentaly approved an incorrect edit here: stackoverflow.com/questions/51325008/… How do I undo the approval?
 
@JHBonarius You can't.
 
@JHBonarius You can't. The best you can do if you don't think the edit should be applied to is roll it back. Do you know how to do that?
 
yep, thank guys
s
 
It's not approved yet so if two other users reject it, its still rejected
 
1:25 PM
np. This is a room for moderation activities so if you have moderation questions you're always welcome here
 
@Olaf I don't agree. And seeing the upvotes others also don't.
 
@JHBonarius No worries, I don't think it'll count against you unless you're making bad edit calls on a regular basis
The edit's been rejected now
 
1:42 PM
@JHBonarius The STM32 watchdogs are disabled by default and can be halted during debugging. So this can only happen if your code enables them. This makes the behaviour described non-norm, i.e. assuming it's the WD is speculative. Other reasons could be problems with the power supply (filtering, switching regulator, etc.), an external WD, problems with the JTAG interface not setting the breakpoint correctly, rioting software, etc. …
… I seriously considered "too broad" or custom ("not necessarily programming related"), but I gave the benefit of doubt to OP, resulting in "no mcve". I have no idea how deep you are into hardware design/embedded software, but all thisare possible reasons without further information. And the list is far from being complete
The number of upvotes is not really a good indicator wheter a question is on-topic, expecially when it comes to complex hardware/software systems.
 
Plenty of older questions with lots of upvotes that would not be considered on topic nowadays
 
@kayess I've seeded a few more. Just for you ;)
 
2:26 PM
I should really start waiting for the 5-min grace period is over before I read a meta post...
 
@Machavity lies!
 
@rene Well they were for her, not you. Sorry
 
I'll filter on C++ instead and see if I can find anything to close
 
I thought that tag was removed yesterday
 
Good news @rene, I'm to bored to make that burninate request.
 
2:33 PM
@AndréKool it will run to completion on another day
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[ibm]"
 
Huh. I just added a few. Queues must be slow
 
@Machavity Or fast...
 
There's 4 I CVed in the past 10 mins that aren't closed. But, yeah, everything I seeded earlier is closed
I'm thinking we'll clean out all the negative scores in [ibm] and then we could call it good. Not too many positive scores that need closure left.
 
Do we have stats on how many Q's SOCVR (via cv-pls) has closed, deleted via del-pls?
> Daily close vote limit reached; please try again in 9 hours
Meh
 
2:57 PM
@kayess @gunr2171 used to run stats but I'm not sure if he includes actual closed and actual deleted.
the running of stats involves scraping the chat transcript, so allow for 6 to 8 meetings before anything is delivered ...
 
@rene thanks
 
@kayess I wrote a program a bit ago to pull down all messages from SOCVR, the graveyard, and the trash room and exported them as csv files. That could be used for analysis later. I haven't done it in a while, and it's a manual process. I think the code is on github (need to check later). Can't do anything now or this weekend because I'll be traveling / out-of-state.
 
@gunr2171 thanks! sounds interesting
out of state = sitting in meetings
 
nope, not on github. bah
 
gitlab!
 
3:02 PM
out of state = in chicago
and actually, yes, on gitlab. I host a custom instance on my server
not gitlab.com
 
yup thought so
 
oh wow this is a .xproj format. this is really old
 
Project X confirmed ...
 
user4639281
@rene The 2012 American comedy film directed by Nima Nourizadeh?
 
@kayess yeah, just remind me about it monday night or tuesday. I'm out for now to continue packing.
yo tiny
 
user4639281
3:06 PM
Or... the data analytics company...
 
@TinyGiant yes
@TinyGiant yes
 
user4639281
Good to know.... good to know.
 
user4639281
Apparently there's also a company that makes baseball bats named Project X...
 
@gunr2171 aight, although I'm not sure I will remember
yoyo Tiny
 
3:08 PM
Well, they might already have tons of interesting data about trends in education and industry.
 
user4639281
A data analytics company that specializes in analyzing the effects of giving baseball bats to thousands of drunk youth at a party?
 
One of the surprising outcomes of the analysis: nobody died
 
Some just went back to gaming :3
 
user4639281
3:25 PM
@rene Yes, surprisingly they all quickly sobered up and organized into teams so they could play baseball.
 
4:19 PM
If anyone is interested in seeding, the negative score Qs are the ones to clean up. I think we'll probably stop after that
 
 
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5:35 PM
@Machavity Why? A lot of them are garbage questions w/ similarly-garbage answers.
^NATO BTW
For the second one delete request I posted
 
@EJoshuaS Because we were asked nicely
 
@Machavity Or, in this case, "because we were asked by Shog" :)
 
@EJoshuaS You wouldn't like Shog when he's angry tho :P
I'm only slightly kidding btw
 
6:32 PM
Wouldn't it be better etiquette and noise reduction, if I 'd go letting me and @Queen communicate within a private chat. How could I change that?
 
moved to new desk
 
user4639281
@πάνταῥεῖ You'd have to create a chatroom, then get one of the bot maintainers to get the bot running in that room
 
Sounds complicated :P
Do you think appearing it here is annoying at all?
 
user4639281
ever so complicated
 
user4639281
I try not to think, strange things happen when I do.
 
6:38 PM
XD
 
user4639281
As for annoying, I'm sure if anyone had an issue with it, they would say something.
 
Bonus points to the next person to link me to a new, relatively clear recommendation request.
Trying to train something to replace all of you ^
 
... thanks :P
 
@Undo Couldn't resist - besides, I really like idownvotedbecau.se
 
user4639281
6:47 PM
 
If you want a regex, I've been using /\b(?:is there an?y?|looking for|anyone\s+know\s+of)\b(?!\s*a?\s*\w*\s*way\b)(\s*?\S*?\s*){0,4}?(?:api|librar‌​y|book|tool|web\s?-?\s?(?:page|service)|plug-?\s*?in|framework|gem|class(?:es)?)s‌​?/i to search for recommendations with reasonable success (although, it picks up some that are not). If you have an alternate regex which can be used on the post body (either Markdown or HTML), I'd be interested.
 
\o/
 
@Makyen This is NLP with Apple's CreateML. Seems to be doing quite well.
Claims 93% validation accuracy.
 
user4639281
\o/
 
6:49 PM
\o\ /o/ \o\ /o/
 
@Undo Great! Given that you'd mentioned "training", I'd figured it probably was. :-)
 
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@TinyGiant Correctly predicted
 
user4639281
@undo asked 25 min ago nice and fresh
 
Someone have some kind of spam, trolling, rude or sarcastic comments, or blatantly off-topic questions for me to flag/VTC?
 
6:52 PM
@TinyGiant Correct
 
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@Undo ^ 33 min ago
 
Also correct
 
user4639281
Welp, looks like we're all out of a job.
 
Correctly classifies stackoverflow.com/q/51331259/1849664 as not-rec
And stackoverflow.com/q/231767/1849664 as not-rec; so it's not just looking for 'library'
 
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6:58 PM
yep
 
@DalijaPrasnikar VHDL questions are on-topic - unfortunately, they rarely make sense without hardware details.
 
May I ask for super-brief explanation of how the classifier works?
 
not-rec
It seems like it's learned the difference between "asking for a library" and "also accepting a library"
 
user4639281
Is it identifying the question statement?
 
7:00 PM
Like it can tell the primary point of a question vs. the secondary point
@TinyGiant I have no clue how it works other than that it does
 
user4639281
lol
 
@JohnDvorak Look up CreateML; tl;dr trains the last few steps of a very complex neural net optimized by Apple. So you get very fast training without needing to teach it English each time
 
nice, thanks!
 
@TinyGiant not-rec
 
user4639281
7:07 PM
is-rec 8 hours old.
 
Yep
That's pretty impressive.
 
user4639281
Wow
 
user4639281
I thought that would fail for sure
 
That's the kind of stuff you can't write regexes for
 
7:10 PM
No rec
gist.github.com/Undo1/e1e3f89395381c2bd307bf4d22802979 if you have a Mac running Mojave and want to repro. I'm totally not making stuff up.
 
@Undo If you want a few more, here's a Gist of 23 JavaScript questions which match the regex I mentioned. I have not inspected all of them, but I usually see about 90%– 95% TP with that regex. If you want even more, it's easy to generate a larger list (I only ran it on 80k questions) and/or to search other tags.
 
First one (stackoverflow.com/q/51315702/1849664) comes back as no-rec
 
user4639281
 
:43251781 no-rec :P
@TinyGiant There you finally beat it. no-rec
Bet it'd catch it with more data
 
user4639281
Absolutely, that was the first time it saw "download" and that would be the only tipping word
 
7:14 PM
Amusingly, running just the title says it's a rec request
 
user4639281
Well that blows my theory
 
@Undo Yep, the ones with code usually have a higher FP rate. I figured you'd probably want mostly TP, but some FP, so I left that one in there. There's probably a couple more FP too, particularly when they have code.
 
user4639281
"Can someone recommend me a tutorial to help me understand how to fix this code?"
 
@TinyGiant positive
 
user4639281
lol
 
7:17 PM
If you want a curated list of only TP, we can generate that, but it'd take a bit more time.
 
Oh, don't worry about that. I'm going to throw together a usable POC for this and will just ask a CM for bulk data if I want it
I wonder how good this would be with 50k examples from each side
Also, no reason it can't handle other close reasons too...
In the same predictor.
okay, gotta go get some work done. Thanks folks! :)
 
This sounds great, even if only recommendation questions.
 
Sure, he comes in here, destroys are way of life, and then runs off to do "work". I tell you, these puppies are out of control.
 
user4639281
You could use that to inform users before they post they're question that it has been identified as having a high probability of being off-topic and provide guidance.
5
 
@Olaf or software details... lacking mcve at best
 
7:24 PM
one more thing: This takes less than twenty seconds to train on my laptop. Unreal.
 
now actually doing work
 
@MartinJames let's not do that Okay?
 
Is there an acceptable way to phrase it?
 
Not if you ask me
but you're free to try. Your language versatility always amuses me
 
7:33 PM
@DalijaPrasnikar Well, if it was me, was off topic. It's not even a programming language. But for the same reason XML and HTML and some other description languages also had to leave.
 
@Undo For already closed, but not deleted, questions, aren't close reasons available from SEDE? Detailed close reasons are available from the SE API, so I assume they are from SEDE. If those are available form SEDE, it should be relatively easy to get a list of all not yet deleted questions on SO which have been closed, sorted by close reason. At least in the SE API the description in the closed_details can be used to separate the individual off-topic reasons.
 
In SEDE not for the sub close reasons under 102 / off topic
 
@rene That's unfortunate. I'm a bit surprised that they don't include the detailed close reason, given that it's available from the SE API.
 
turns out I lied. That model was trained on three hundred recommendation requests, not three thousand
@Makyen This could work - grab all off-topic closed questions, then get detailed close info from API
thanks
Will look into that
 
7:51 PM
@Undo Being able to filter by closed reason was something I'd already intended to add to MagicTag2 (to make delete voting easier; e.g. I almost never want to look at duplicates for delete voting). If you want, I'll increase the priority of working on it.
 
I'm going to throw something together really fast as a one-off
 
Sounds good. Less immediate work for me, and no pressure to get it done. :-)
 
@Makyen yes, posthistory only has one comment field.
 
@Makyen have a quick overview of how to get it from the API? Found it. closed_details
 
which is where they store the foreignkey for the close reason
 
7:58 PM
@Undo I'd use the /search/advanced endpoint which allows you to filter for just closed questions. You'll need to get the closed_details, which will require a non default filter (!9Z(-wvHE( should work). The description in the closed_details has HTML of the specific closed reason.
 
awesome, thanks
 
Does somebody have an idea how that filter string works?
 
I mean, anything past "it's a blackbox. Here's a web API to generate your own magic."
 
The HTML is what would normally be displayed in the question page as the closed-question reason banner. The actual close reason is in <b>.
@Makyen As I re-read this, what's in code format for the filter isn't clear. The filter I mentioned is: !9Z(-wvHE(
 
8:03 PM
@JohnDvorak it is a blackbox
 
What's inside the black box?
 
I'm trying to find the post, but is says magic IIRC
@JohnDvorak here is a bit
 
Nice, thanks!
 
and here is the blog: kevinmontrose.com/2012/01/11/…
 
@JHBonarius (@AndréKool @NathanOliver @MichaelDodd) As was mentioned, you can't undo review actions. However, if the edit isn't live yet, you can force your own edit, which will fully reject the pending edit. Alternately, you can post a reject-pls request here in SOCVR. If the edit is already fully approved (i.e. it's applied and live), then, also as mentioned, you can roll it back from the links on the revisions page.
 
8:24 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels I'd say it's useful as an example of a bad answer
 
@JohnDvorak: you have a point
 
8:50 PM
Ran with all the ot-rec questions I can find from the last two years (1176) and an equal amount of non-negative-score open questions. Confusion matrix:
+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| True Label     | Predicted      | Count          |
+----------------+----------------+----------------+
|                |                | 55             |
|                | Recommendati...| 7              |
| Recommendati...|                | 9              |
| Recommendati...| Recommendati...| 47             |
+----------------+----------------+----------------+
 
Where do I get support for a question that was closed without discussion?
i.e. that shouldn't have been closed
 
right here, but please see our FAQ
 
I'm the editor of the specification that the question https://stackoverflow.com/questions/51150287/json-schema-validation-having-contraints-value-of-one-of-them-should-be-same-as was asking about
I made an edit to the question to clarify it, but it doesn't seem to have gone through.
I don't seem to be able to @-mention the people who voted on the question.
 
checking. hold on
 
8:55 PM
I'd like to be able to use SO to have discussions for questions like this, but if a bandwagon of people keep closing all of the questions, instead of suggesting improvements, I'm not sure it's a very viable platform for us
 
@Justin I know those who rejected that
@ErikvonAsmuth mind checking our conversation,
we have caused an issue
@awwright that edit was mainly to get it into the re-open queue. right?
because I'm still not thrilled by that edit
 
@rene The status at the time was "on-hold" I believe, and had a message soliciting improvements to the wording
 
right
it didn't make it from the re-open queue: stackoverflow.com/review/reopen/20237019
 
The one answer the question has is from the admin of the specification website, I think we all understand what the question is asking
 
does it need to have the JSON tag?
because I think that attract lots of people not familiar with JSON Schema
 
9:04 PM
It was tagged with JSON Schema, that's why I saw it... or it should still be
"jsonschema" is the tag, yeah
 
but the tag JSON is also preferred?
 
I'm not sure. It's not specifically related to JSON syntax, but JSON Schema documents are JSON.
 
well, I gave it an edit, left a comment, pushed it into the re-open queue and the regulars here will see the above request.
That is all I can do
 
@rene Nevertheless it looks like asking for … code … or at least detailed instructions to me (strictly speaking it's imo off-topic as not a programming question, but I somehow feel this is a minority opinion here).
 
user4639281
"That's all I can do" from the flower === probably the best possible outcome.
 
9:13 PM
@Olaf not really. It asks: can I do this within the specs
 
user4639281
open since 60 seconds ago
 
@Olaf if you also think that questions about XML Schema are not programming then you're right
 
Thanks @rene
Any feedback on how to get my edit pushed through?
 
user4639281
Your edit was rejected and a subsequent edit was applied
 
Anyone here know python?
 
9:16 PM
@awwright well, I would probably reject it again if I would see it in the review queue again, sorry.
 
@rene "If so how can we do it?"
 
@NathanOliver ask in the cabbage room
 
oh yeah
 
@NathanOliver ping Andras in the python room ;) or BR in SOBotics
 
@Olaf sure
 
9:17 PM
@rene Well, XML per-se is not a programming language wither, so no (see my post above re. VHDL).
 
there we differ in opinion then
 
@rene I can live with that.
 
yes
 
@rene sorry, which conversation? On vacation, so mobile only
 
@ErikvonAsmuth hhmm, starts here: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/43252878#43252878 but I handled it, enjoy your holiday
 
9:27 PM
Oh, that one. I deemed the edit not sufficient to salvage the question, and it already was closed, so that would be the one chance to get it in the reopen queue. Otherwise, the edit was fine
 
Okay, it is open now
 
 
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