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posted on May 23, 2018

New Cyanide and Happiness Comic

 
 
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3:16 AM
morning from this side.
 
4:08 AM
Well... it’s 7 minutes after midnight here on the east coast. Time to crash. Night.
 
 
1 hour later…
5:33 AM
@Wes same url
 
5:44 AM
@Jeeves has no responses for "hi"?
 
6:01 AM
!!uptime
 
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@Jeeves is so stubborn.
 
morning
 
6:16 AM
hola
 
hola
@bwoebi opcache is giving me grief, can you do suggesting a way around it ... run InspectorFile tests with opcache enabled (like failures on travis)
I can't set compile hook to resolve file breaks because opcache changes the op array after it's returned, so I switched back to executor to resolve files ... that works, but strangeness happens with opcache, also, when I try to run something twice that declares a class, when opcache is loaded it fails on the second go with compilation error, without opcache loaded it doesn't ... and it shouldn't either way, I dunno what's happening ...
these are notes for me and you ... going to work on it today, might get somewhere ...
I'm not even sure if we need file support
they are difficult because the addresses are transient and the op array destroyed immediately after execution (and you can't copy/save it because opcache), it gives many problems ... and in a world where you composer require the debugger, why do you need file support anyway, why wouldn't you just use method/function names and lines/opcodes/offsets ...
I very dislike opcache, I don't like the way it changes the behaviour of the engine ... fine have a cache and optimizer, but they need to be at /Zend, enabled always, by default, have maybe some docs or something ... the engine changing how it works because a cache is loaded doesn't make a lot of sense ...
 
6:33 AM
mornin all
 
o/
 
mornin
 
yoh! mornin
oh, it's afternoon here lol
 
6:50 AM
there is no such thing as afternoon
moin
 
7:07 AM
Does stackoverflow also runs with php?
 
@DaAmidza Not yet, it's overly complex for a non-ops team. Looking at other orchestration tools
 
@JoeWatkins imagine a stack trace with generated code … where do you get the eval() string from?
 
@NorielleCruz no
 
@JoeWatkins because you typically don't want to calculate the method line offsets? and editor is giving you file offsets at an initial glance
we most definitely need file support
 
nin
 
7:17 AM
okay I'll redo file support
 
still I dunno what to do about opcache, and because of early binding the code I wrote yesterday to make function/class address persist won't work
I was under the impression early binding wasn't in the way, I don't know why ... I thought about it and remember reading the code again ...
too many things at once ...
maybe another kind of breakpoint is necessary ...
I'm reluctant, at the moment I can debug idbg with phpdbg ...
writing a debugger without a debugger is not a thing we should do ...
there's gdb I guess, but it's a pita to debug php code with it ...
 
@Jimbo it took me around a month to get started with it and to understand the terminology. The hardest part for me was the kuberentes configuration file after I had set it up I had another problem with the port. Basically, I was so stupid that I've placed 8080 port instead of 80 for the container where the connection was refused all the time. Spend around 2 days on that until I figured out that it was the stupidest mistake.Anyway good luck with it
 
7:37 AM
When do you prefer YAML and when do you prefer JSON?
 
I love making non-productive things and was fascinated by language designs, creating language parsers and lexers etc., read about Glagol and watched prolic/fpp and I know that no one wouldn't want to use what I'm doing but it doesn't mean I'm a bad person if I just want to be familiar with language designs and how they work, right?
 
@2dsharp no one with a sane mind will ever prefer YAML over anything.
 
@Gordon I was actually thinking about having a configuration file for a native quiz handling program I am building, and it occurred to me that the users are mostly going to be non-programmers. The reason I considered YAML was because of the ease of readability, but then I recalled my bad experience with the indentation.
And then JSON lacks comments.
 
use XML with a Schema
 
@Gordon I didn't really think about XML, thanks, I will have a look.
 
7:44 AM
@JoeWatkins why do you want to persist them?
 
I love YAML. Whatever, I'm insane.
 
morns
 
8:00 AM
antemeridian occurring before noon.
 
8:18 AM
@bwoebi because bps are set on addresses and would be invalidated ...
 
@JoeWatkins yeah, you can't just set them again when bound?
 
the reflection api doesn't check if pointers are null ...
 
I have a feature in my website that user can both delete and undo their posts. Do I need to also store a history of that system? (for example do I need to know when a question is deleted (and by who) and again when it is undo and so on)
 
well if the code has changed, then addresses don't necessarily have same meaning, if the code hasn't changed, then why bother letting it be rebound ...
I mean we could calculate the offsets of addresses before it's changed, but after it may be a different opcode at that address (offset) ...
 
@JoeWatkins I meant like, just provide a callback to userspace when classes are being bound
 
8:21 AM
well that would work if not for early binding ...
 
then your debugger can reapply breakpoints where needed
@JoeWatkins why is early binding a problem?
 
there's no opcode (it's NOP ZEND_DECLARE_CLASS) and there's no hook ...
 
just execute it upon early binding then?
 
no hook
 
yeah, gets trickier then, but you could just look at the newly inserted classes and check which ones are bound at end of compile time
 
8:23 AM
@Shafizadeh what you mean by "undo"?
 
well ...
 
@tereško undelete (I mean either asker or moderator can undelete that post again)
 
how awful would it be if we made every class implement an internal (possibly invisible) interface ?
 
@JoeWatkins it will show up in reflection then I think
may have unexpected side effects
 
we have control over reflection and can override methods ...
 
8:24 AM
@tereško you know, we have a column named deleted in the posts table. So we never remove a row
 
Also disabling early binding changes semantics in subtle ways @JoeWatkins
 
@Shafizadeh I think the proper term would be "restore". And what you would need is an activity log.
 
i.e. classes which could be defined later in a file will now break if instantiated earlier @JoeWatkins
 
@tereško yes, do I need an activity log for removing/restoring system which may be useful in the future?
 
yeah
 
8:25 AM
Wouldn't do that
 
well ... bugger ...
do more ideas ...
 
better to just check the new early bound classes at end of compile
 
@Shafizadeh I would recommend adding it in code, but not expose it in the web interface
you need the log, to see what happened, but having a pretty UI for that is not a critical feature
 
do more words on that train of thought
 
you can add the "admin tools" later
 
8:27 AM
@tereško in this case I have to make another table for that. because currently we just know about the current post status.
@tereško I see. ok thx
 
yes, you would need another table
 
remembering we don't want to ruin perf, given a compile hook, how do we tell what is early bound (including the case where opcache is loaded, and considering it fucks with class/function tables) ?
 
@JoeWatkins iirc binding causes a flag to be set
 
@Shafizadeh currently make it a separate table and when you have fleshed out the logging on your site, you can make some centralized solution for logging all types of user activity (buth common and mods)
 
I think not
 
8:29 AM
@JoeWatkins ZEND_ACC_EARLY_BINDING
 
@tereško also, do I need to know, which version of that post been deleted? You know, posts can be edited and according to some conditions we create new version/edition for them (it has a comment/answer after the last edited version, or it's 5min passed after the last version)
 
not a thing
only a thing in master
 
ah
 
@Shafizadeh do you have versioning for edits? I would store the postId, versionID and timestamp
 
@tereško ok, that's the new table I just designed
 
8:31 AM
I'll change the root reflection objects to have an onBinding and try to find ways to invoke it at the right time ... good idea ... thanks for brain stuff ...
 
@JoeWatkins but you can always check whether the class is already declared under its actual name in the class table
 
you also need the information about "what action was taken" and "who did that action", obviously, @Shafizadeh
 
instead of its internal shadow name
 
well it can be declared but yet to have any interfaces/traits bound ...
yeah it can be declared by it's real name, and yet to have etc ...
depends on DECLARE op
 
@tereško what's the meaning of "what action was taken" ?
 
8:33 AM
"delete" or "restore" (to begin with)
 
ah yes, there is a "type" column
 
@JoeWatkins no, the actual lowercase ce->name won't appear in EG(class_list) until it's actually bound
until then it's always listed with a runtime declaration key (op1 const of the declare opcode)
 
it must have been just too hot yesterday, I read it again now and I dunno what I thought I saw ...
right
 
Also as another consult, do you thing should there be an option named "other" as the reason for closing post? @tereško
Currectly there are "offensive", "off topic", "duplicate(plus a link)", "too board"
 
@JoeWatkins and as order is preserved in our arrays, you can just walk the last few classes and check them whether they're existing with their lc_name in the class list @JoeWatkins
Doing it after the compile also avoids the potential dangerous execution of runtime code during compile step
 
8:39 AM
Fatal error instead of warning when extending class that implements interface – #76370
 
@Shafizadeh not currently
 
ok (also it can be good if we also put a textarea (as description) which should be required)
 
the reasons for closing posts will need to come from the "unwanted behaviors", that you see in your users and that you want to change
 
@Shafizadeh "too board" or "too broad"?
 
@mega6382 the later (in my website everything is in Persian)
 
8:45 AM
:D
 
:P
 
9:03 AM
moin
 
\o
 
\o
 
9:27 AM
o/
 
o\
 
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o/💩
 
@Gordon pathetic
 
@mega6382 about time you recognized it, too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
9:41 AM
what, that you're pathetic?
woah, my work machine just allowed me to remote desktop into itself and bsod'd :-S
 
@DaveRandom the attempts to create a page long la ola. also, the attempts to call me out on using the waving pile of poop.
 
i think that is the first time I have managed to cause a stop error in W10, and it's not the first time I've accidentally attempted to do that either
@Gordon there definitely needs to be "waving" combining diacritic
 
@DaveRandom agreed
 
while we're at it, "vomiting" would also be most useful
@Gordon also ftr I'm not particularly on board with trying to fill a page, but otoh there would be a certain amount of satisfaction in doing so
 
9:51 AM
wut how have I never seen that one
omg there seems to be a massive chunk of xkcd that I have never seen, that's my day ruined
 
10:04 AM
Guys, what's up with the internet? Is Amazon having some kind of outages?
 
@Gordon can we have vomiting poop?!
 
Is there some open source vault written in PHP?
I mean something like 1password for personal usage
 
@tereško I've not experienced any problems, so maybe bgp leak or DNS poisoning affecting your ISP?
 
@pmmaga looks nice, written in CakePHP :/
@pmmaga the demo page shows dead bird demo.passbolt.com :D
 
10:28 AM
@IROEGBU see above
@brzuchal you could probably do that with phpseclib and ext/ui
 
@DaveRandom I have been encountering issues on 3 different ISPs
at least today
 
Wes
10:52 AM
mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/… strange that didn't happen before
 
@Gordon web interface I think is enough, boltpass requires installing an extension and I don't like that it stores only passwords for websites
 
I did a thing! Meet the phocker :D
 
@pmmaga that totally sounds like something laravel will want to adopt
 
All I need is storing passwords which clients will use to extract email attachments with encrypted files
Yes, I saw something for Laravel, but would like something non-Laravelish
 
@Gordon if they are brave enough :D
 
11:04 AM
@pmmaga but it's certainly a good exercise to learn how process isolation works in linux
 
Is sending a password by SMS/Text considered safe delivery?
 
that's not a serious question ..
 
@Gordon yup, it worked pretty well in that regard
 
@JoeWatkins I dunno, I don't see a huge practical difference between SMS and email, it's not like email is really secure in any meaningful sense
 
@brzuchal about as secure as sending it on a postcard via snail mail
 
11:09 AM
about the same as sending it via email
 
there's a practical difference
 
Crazy world
 
@JoeWatkins what?
nobody encrypts email in anything approaching a reliable or universally supported way
 
the devices that you can buy to intercept GSM signals are in the hands of criminals already, they are easily decrypted ...
the signals I mean, they're not safe in the slightest ...
while there are devices you can buy to intercept wifi, and hack into other kinds of networks, they are nothing like as trivially brokien as the gsm network ...
 
How to securely share file in those days when there's GDPR and person to share with is familiar only in email and ZIP archive manager?
 
11:13 AM
I prefer to send a link, which verifies the identity of the clicker in some other way, a pre-arranged question about their pet or whatever ...
 
@brzuchal maybe they shouldn't be online then?
 
The case is recipient are not and will never be familiar with Dropbox/GoogleDrive etc.
 
@JoeWatkins granted, but that doesn't seem like a huge concern for delivery of what is (I am assuming @brzuchal?) a temporary password
 
@JoeWatkins seems like too much trouble. Password in plaintext over email, now that's just a 2 minute task. :P /sarcasm
 
@JoeWatkins this is indeed hugely preferable to sending plaintext passwords in any form
 
11:14 AM
TOTPs might work
 
so do it, don't spend time wondering about the security of anything, just do the sensible thing ...
 
top of the pops?
 
top of the top of the pops
 
time based one time passwords.
 
@DaveRandom I'm considering it for delivery of a password to be in use for max a month for small two-employee company which has approximately 20 clients
 
11:15 AM
no, more sillyness @Gordon
 
@brzuchal you can have the secure solution and make people put a microscopic amount of effort in, or you can have something that isn't secure. You can't really have both.
especially google drive, that is about as close to idiot-proof as you can practically get
 
@brzuchal You can just send a temp password, which then they will have to change after logging in with it for the first time.
 
@Gordon since you looked at it, anything you noticed that I'm missing?
 
@pmmaga I only glanced over it
 
@mega6382 Logging in and setting up own password might be a barrier for most of those clients
 
11:18 AM
@pmmaga a Ferrari. Pick one up for me as well while you're out.
 
:P
 
@mega6382 we're talking about some ordinary man for whom using an email is something extremely new
 
@brzuchal Is that an ordinary man or a caveman?
 
@mega6382 Ok, maybe caveman, but what then?
 
If anyone has the time to check it out I'd appreciate it. Looking for ideas to replace the unshare call with something native in PHP
 
11:30 AM
well that would be complicated
 
or just impossible? :P
I didn't find any way to call clone with the necessary flags for the isolation
 
I don't know, I would assume currently impossible ... and tricky to implement ...
 
11:45 AM
maybe @JoeWatkins can provide a wrapper for github.com/lxc/lxc
which is not what docker uses, but libcontainer (what docker uses) is written in go
 
which part ?
 
it's what we use at my job. I thought about doing it, but lxd offers a REST API to control the containers so calling lxc directly is a bit outdated
 
I meant which part of lxc, and then found the containers part ...
bit of a monster ...
 
that's a reason for you to do it, right? you like monsters
 
11:53 AM
There is libvirt in pecl but dunno how to use it and if it's proper
 
Wes
what happened to the proposal about changing the precedence of new Foo()->method() ?
 
hello room
 
@brzuchal last change Fri, 15 Feb 2013 20:34:20 +0200 (19:34 +0100)
 
@Gordon Sorry :D
 
no need to be sorry. IDK if it's proper either. But it certainly looks abandoned
 
11:59 AM
Would like some feedback on a NON-PHP related app. Its JS based but the JS room is dead at the moment. Posted it there but did not get much feedback. Looking for feedback and suggestions on how the functionality and design, so language agnostic
 
@Gordon I have many monsters currently living on my back, another one and I may fall over ...
I actually don't have much knowledge in this domain, which would make writing the extension a bad idea
 
did you have much knowledge in the domains of your other extensions? threads? ui?
 
yeah
libvirt-php source is horrible ...
 
Fair enough… though I'd never thought I'd see the day @JoeWatkins shys away from a C challenge
 
even if it did work, I wouldn't use it ...
 
12:06 PM
teasetease
 
@Gordon I considered doing that at one point, then I decided there was no point
 
if I had nothing on, I'd give it a go anyway ... but I got a bit too much on ... maybe when idbg is out the door ...
 
I'd rather prefer a full syscall ext :D
 
I would have to learn about it ...
 
fair and square. actually, I am with @Leigh that there is probably not too much of a point recreating all the things possible in php. though I am sure some people would use that.
 
12:09 PM
@Leigh that would be awesome :)
 
I'm not so quick to assume that creating a million processes is okay
 
Get yourself a syscall ext, use SysProcAttr to limit caps
 
doing things with exec is bad
I have to go outside, lata all ...
 
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dork
lol, reminds me of when @PeeHaa pasted an ascii penis, it was flagged and removed, then he had a temp ban for 30 minutes
 
Wes
12:11 PM
ahah
i once got flagged for calling myself fat
 
@Leigh yup, that was my inspiration for this :)
the talk is also pretty nice. not sure if it was you who shared it before
 
Probably, I'm a fan
 
@HelloWorldPeace instead of classes and IDs, you should use data-attributes to signify elements (usually even without values). Wrap it all in an anonymous function. Set up a common click handles which then routes the click based on target. Stick to one naming convention (and JS already uses camelCase)
 
morning
 
12:15 PM
also, there is a CodeReview site in StackExchange network which is just for this purpose, @HelloWorldPeace
 
@ter
@tereško I had no idea there was a code review, thanks.
 
@HelloWorldPeace yes, here is the link codereview.stackexchange.com
 
@Wes because you can obviously be healthy at every size and what you did was thought crime hate speech
be glad that you did not say it on twitter - you might have lost your job
 
Wes
lol
 
@tereško why data-attributes over classes?
 
12:18 PM
Now I am curious, @Wes what did you say exactly?
 
Wes
i don't remember... need to ask mr alien, maybe he remembers
i think i called myself pig
 
hello everyone
 
@Leigh I am not so sure. Where's your blades? And you are not spinning either. And your name's not Dyson.
 
@Gordon I'm a handheld variant
 
Dim Leigh As Variant
 
12:29 PM
rude
 
I'm indirectly calling you a basic bitch
 
It's quite visual
 
1:00 PM
Morngins
 
oh this day is going to be wonderful...
first day back and stuff is going to shit
public relations had our main website domain pointed to our development web server ...
 
wtf is pr pointing domains :P
 
netadmin gave VPN access to a third-party vendor so they could make changes, netadmin thought my supervisor was informed about what was going on, but she wasn't... so we were both blindsided... and I have no idea what the third-party did
development server has outdated information, images, etc
it was recommended to PR that they wait until Tuesday because that was when my supervisor knew I would back for sure... but nope... couldn't wait that long
and we have a three day weekend coming up
I guess I need to make a statement that any changes like this must go through me or whoever is taking over my duties if I'm on leave, but I'll have to get approval that I'm allowed to do that first...
 
Just tell them this is why I have so much anxiety... I work with a bunch of idiots that constantly stress me out. @Tiffany
 
1:13 PM
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Wes
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1:24 PM
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Wes
lol
 
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I need a better xwing
 
how about chicken wings instead?
 
1:33 PM
‎(ノಥ益ಥ)ノ ︵┻━┻
 
so ... the Battlefront 5 was announced and it seems to be some kind of alternative history take on WW2
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise
 
hmmm... chicken wings
@tereško you're into shooters?
 
yes, but not multiplayer ones
I'm just a member of "Shitstorm Appreciation" club (I might actually get a t-shirt with that)
 
@tereško the thoughts and prayers type?
 
nope, it's just that those types of games seem too much like actual work
it's same reason why I avoid MOBAs
to not suck at them, you need to devote at least 4 hours (or even a lot more) per day
 
1:39 PM
ah… the "other people" problem
 
yeah, I'm the same
 
IKR… massive multiplayer sucks
 
not having toxic players on a team helps tremendously, but still not enough to get over my anxiety of it
 
@Gordon there are no real MMO right now
 
Yeah, in fornite, you have to hide in order to survive cause fighting is futile.
And even then the storm gets you.
 
1:40 PM
I could only play ARAM (everyone is given a random hero, and everyone is in the middle lane) in League of Legends because it's not meant to be serious, and people don't take it as seriously
 
@mega6382 nope, you are doing it wrong. You actually need to start out by taking max risk for max reward and either succeed to have a chance at winning OR fail as fast as possible
 
@tereško of=or?
 
@tereško change a=chance at?
:)
 
my english is failing today
hell ... for past week I have been mostly playing Heroes 3
 
@tereško But then there is no fun in that cause you are just starting a new games over and over(if you fail, cause winning is impossible), and you don't have fun in it anyway.
 
1:45 PM
hence - it feels too much like work
 
can anyone please tell me what exactly is "Illegal mix of collations for operation 'like' " error?
 
I have been playing castlevania lords of shadow 2 for a while now.
 
I have it started .. I'm about 2 hours in
 
@astrosixer sounds like something in mysql. Have you tried google?
 
Add INPUT_FILES type to filter_input – #76372
 
@MadaraUchiha ...umm what?!? Please tell me this is a joke.
 
@mega6382 yes I have googled . And my table columns all have same collation. Still the above error occurs that's why am asking what exactly is this issue?
 
2:12 PM
@astrosixer Check your connection encoding / collation: dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/charset-connection.html
 
function imageftbbox appears to be missing – #76373
 
2:25 PM
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is there any sane way to determine whether an array is "associative" (i.e. whether or not is contiguously zero-indexed) without looping?
 
array_values and compare the two arrays?
 
I want something that's < O(n)
ideally
 
2:30 PM
I am going to go with no
 
ugh
 
@DaveRandom I know this has been asked on the main site before
also, I remember I once had a function for that
 
@DaveRandom someone asked that question recently.....
 
@DaveRandom Why would you want to do this?
 
647
Q: How to check if PHP array is associative or sequential?

WilcoPHP treats all arrays as associative, so there aren't any built in functions. Can anyone recommend a fairly efficient way to check if an array contains only numeric keys? Basically, I want to be able to differentiate between this: $sequentialArray = array('apple', 'orange', 'tomato', 'carrot');...

 
2:35 PM
@Leigh I want to determine whether an array will be JSON-encoded as an object or an array
 
cough json encode and preg....
 
@DaveRandom JSON_FORCE_OBJECT
 
that's even more O(scary) than a loop :-P
@Leigh cannot be assumed, this is generic tooling
 
function array_has_numeric_keys_only(array $array)
{
    try {
        SplFixedArray::fromArray($array, true);
    } catch (InvalidArgumentException $e) {
        return false;
    }
    return true;
}
this was my take on it
no clue how it performs
 
oh interesting
 
2:39 PM
!!lxr SplFixedArray
 
@Gordon Nothing went wrong but I couldn't find a suitable definition
 
Wes
are you creating a new array just to check if keys are integers? :B
iterating over it is going to be much faster
 
For small arrays yes, for larger ones probably not
 
Wes
wanna bet :B
 
not idea where the cutoff will be but at some point the additional opcodes will tip the balance the other way
 
2:41 PM
I'd prefer measuring over betting :-P
 
If your arrays are so big you can't afford an O(n) check, probably doing lots wrong
 
@DaveRandom start at the end, check key == count-- and loop back
 
3v4l.org/ruk8c is my current approach
 
expose this to userland
:P
 
right so it just does exactly the same thing I am doing
 
2:43 PM
would it be possible to approach it from the other side? e.g. check on insert?
 
if (HT_IS_PACKED(myht) && HT_IS_WITHOUT_HOLES(myht)) {
 
It makes use of some flags, it won't have to actually check
 
that's what I want, but apparently that's not actually reliable anyway since it still has a fallback to a loop
 
yeah, you can always add an element that will remove the flag and then remove the element again, but the flag is gone
 
@DaveRandom array_diff_key($a, array_values($a)), probably way over O(n) under the hood, but you only care about appearances right
 
2:52 PM
No I care about efficiency, but only to the extent that I've already largely lost interest
 
Hello,
Can somebody help with with Elasticsearch?
 
Wes
that was so rude
:B
 
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